User talk:AshleeSphinx

Question for administrator
I was reading on how to change the name of my page and it is unclear to me. Can you please explain how I can change the name in simple terms? Thank you!

--Neheliski (talk) 18:43, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You don't need an admin for this one. If you have a page whose name needs changing, you should use 'Move' (see WP:MOVE). You won't be able to do it at the moment, as you are too new (there's a number of edits and days to have been registered before it works). If you have a page to move (and I can't see one of yours yet), and it still doesn't work, you can ask at WP:RM for someone to move it. Moving is the only way of renaming a page. If you mean that you want your username changed, that's a different thing. If you're still unclear, leave a comment here. I'll be watching this page for a bit. Peridon (talk) 19:01, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * BTW - you had an invisible question. You had put the signs around your question. That made it into a non-displaying comment. Don't use those until you've got more experience here. I know they're used as quotation marks in some places in the world, but that's what happens when you use them here. Peridon (talk) 19:08, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I am new to wikipedia and dont know how to do anything on here. I havent saved my page yet but I will momentarily. Its is called "Creating User:Neheliski/sandbox" and I need it to be called "Northern Escape Heli-skiing". Can you do it or can do I have to go to WP:MOVE?
 * You will need to save it first - I can't find it until you do. If you save it, I can look at it and tell you what needs to be done to it. (It fairly certainly won't be ready to go live yet. If it is, I can move it. Peridon (talk) 19:27, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I have saved it. Thank you for the help. I am still make some changes to it and adding things. Please let me know what needs changing and updating. Also, how do i cite all the information to be from "neheliski.com"? This is the company I work for.
 * Don't keep posting the helpme thing - you're posting the wrong one anyway... And please sign talk page posts with four ~ things. OK. You haven't copied the company site (good) but you sound like you work for the company (bad). Forget that you work for them. They're not even paying you as a consultant. You've never skied in your life. Now look at it again and ask yourself, 'Is this something I'd expect to find in an encyclopaedia, or is it something I'd expect to read in a glossy magazine (provided free at the travel agent...)?'. Be honest, and rewrite those bits. You also need to read WP:RS about reliable independent sources. That's the references needed. No blogs, forums, wikis, Facebook, YouTube - nothing like those either. And not the company site. Wikipedia isn't like Facebook - there (within limits of libel, porn and so on...) you can post what you like. Here, no. Editing here isn't as easy as it might seem, either, once you get down to policies. The one for notability of companies is at WP:CORP. You must not cite things to the company site until you've got the notability bit cracked first. If I'd worked your name out first, I'd have warned you about WP:COI - conflict of interest. Not forbidden - just seriously not recommended. Anyway, now we're here, look at CORP and find the references that fit RS. Without that, no hope. Not every company gets an article - not like AboutUs. Peridon (talk) 20:10, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh dear. There seems to have been copying from the company site. Not allowed. Get rid quick. You may be authorised to use it, but we cannot accept it if it's been published already. Ask if you need a full explanation for a boss, otherwise take my word. It'll probably be tagged soon for speedy deletion. What you need to plan for is a new username unrelated to the company, some research to find references, then word a new article afresh based on WP:NPOV - neutral point of view, and which shows notability as in CORP. Get some unpublished pictures to use (you can do something I've never done - upload pics). This version won't last long. Peridon (talk) 20:25, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I have done some changes to it. I am working on rewording.  Do I have to get rid of the pictures?  what more do you suggest?Neheliski (talk) 20:48, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hel's teeth, that was quick! That clears the copyvio and the promo for the text, I think. Next thing is the notability issue. and the referencing. Things look safe for the moment, deletion wise. (That's my field - I've deleted 19,000 pages in my first 18 months as an admin.) You've got a bit of time for that (so far as we are concerned - I don't know your boss...) The pics are listed as being by you - if someone finds they are not is when problems come. Something not on the company website is safer. Something taken by you is best, but if it's not been published and not likely to be claimed by someone as their copyright pride and joy, ¿quien sabe? If they are yours, no problem. Don't rush the policy reading and the finding of refs. Get it right now and avoid trouble later. Peridon (talk) 21:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, awesome. The page I have been camparing too is the Neheliski (talk) 21:19, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The pictures were also taken by my boss and this wikipedia account is for him as well.Neheliski (talk) 21:43, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No it isn't. Wikipedia accounts are for one person only. Not even married couples or Siamese twins. (Don't think that last's happened yet.) He must have his own account quick or you'll be blocked as a compromised account. If he re-uploads the pics, everything's fine. Even better if he's got something not yet used - and remember that once uploaded here, anyone anywhere can use them. Peridon (talk) 21:53, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * (written before your last post) Every so often, something slips through - that did. It's now tagged for 'no references'. We do have a policy WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS (that's the polite link...). WP:CORP is what you want for notability, and WP:RS is about what are and are not reliable independent sources. Company site can be used as an External Link but it can't show notability. Good press coverage can - not set piece interviews with the CEO where the PR dept have had the questions a week in advance (or worse, written the questions themselves...). Must be in decent uninvolved papers/mags - not the 'Heliski Trade Weekly' or the 'Boogerville and Snot Gulch Herald Tribune and Argus', for example. Definitely not the National Enquirer, The Sun or The Quibbler. If you can find the right refs, you might expand a bit on some things - but without enthusiasm. Same tone as for a mediaeval graveyard. I'm going offline now, so don't expect a reply before tomorrow (UK time). Unless this is being stalked. I do have stalkers. Not sure if they enjoy the off-beat examples, or are trying to learn things, or are just waiting to catch me out... Peridon (talk) 21:53, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * He has his own account and I have gotten him to upload the pictures himself. I am looking though the magazines that we were in to find creditable references.  I will read through the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS between today and tomorrow.  Thank you for your help and I'll try to work on this some more today and tomorrow.Neheliski (talk) 22:48, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I have added some references and reworded some things on the page. May I please have your input when you can?  Thanks Neheliski (talk) 20:24, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Article's not too bad - PowderMag's no good as a source for notability. It uses the word 'our' - a killer for notability. That says clearly 'we wrote this'. (If a reviewer uses it referring to his Drag Queens' Skiing and Crochet Club who visited the thing, that's OK. This one isn't any such and says PR.) BTW don't 'offer'. You can 'provide' without too much hassle. Find a way round 'state of the art kitchen'. That sounds like PR for 'we had to update because Health & Safety were about to close us'. (I'm not implying that that was the case - I grew up on estate agent ads from a particular agent who instead of 'bijou residence convenient for exotic eating establishments, suitable for improvement' would say 'poky little flatlet over a Chinese takeaway with Indian restaurant next door, tatty and in need of total redecoration' and they sold the things... They've grown international now, and the accountants and ad-men run the place.) See if you can get something non-trade for a ref. And make sure your place didn't write it... You never know, you might get the editing bug and do some other things there. We have had some good editors start this way. It's an every day thing for me because I don't have television, but others pop in when they can. Or when they get bored with the same old rubbish on the big box. Peridon (talk) 21:37, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I have changed the wording for the "kitchen" section. I have also gotten rid of the PowderMag reference.  How many references do I need to find? I am currently searching for some and am finding it difficult to locate as we are more in picture ads.  I also changed the word "offer" to "provides".  Is there anything else I should be adding or subtracting from this page right now?  Thank you again for all your help.  I appreciate it! Neheliski (talk) 21:48, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I appreciate someone who listens! Now, this might sound as if I'm contradicting myself, but try to show the good old 'unique selling point' thing. But without selling it. Ask User:MelanieN for an opinion. Don't rely just on my views. You're getting by on the non-promo side - no-one's tagged it to time of typing. Try to boost the notability without pushing. Peridon (talk) 23:35, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello!
Hello, and thanks for your note on my talk page. I'll be happy to take a look at your article. I can see you have been working hard on it and responding well to Peridon's suggestions. There are two issues I'll take a look at: whether I suggest any improvements to the article, and more importantly, whether I think it will qualify as a Wikipedia article at all. The latter depends on whether it meets the Wikipedia guidelines for a company or organization, found at WP:CORP. The main issue is whether there is enough significant coverage about the subject from independent reliable sources. Of course, I am not any kind of final judge on that question; such things are decided by consensus; but I can advise you on your chances of success with this article. I think I'll take a look at that first. --MelanieN (talk) 18:09, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello Melanie and than you for getting back to me. I have found some other articles that I will be adding as references.  I just have to find the right place to put them.  These should be added today sometime (sometime before 3pm PST). Thanks again Neheliski (talk) 18:33, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

OK, this isn't looking too bad. Here are some Reliable Source references I found using Google News Archive. The best way to use them is as inline citations to verify facts such as when and by whom the company was started, what its annual volume is, or other factual details that the articles provide. If you don't know how to cite news articles, just ask. From The Ski Channel: http://www.theskichannel.com/news/20110719/heliskiing-new-economic-indicator/ From the Seattle Post-Intelligencer: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Finding-remote-snow-in-B-C-Seeking-a-higher-1262270.php From BC Local News: http://www.bclocalnews.com/community/117733043.html Try adding these and whatever else you have found, and then let's talk again. --MelanieN (talk) 18:36, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello Melanie. I managed to finish adding things right on time of when I said I would!  I have added the references.  Not sure how my page looks now as I have added a few more things to it.  Please let me know what you think, Neheliski (talk) 23:01, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

OK, great! You are almost ready to launch this article. First let's redo the references so they aren't just bare url's. Here is a primer on how to do references: Citing sources. But maybe I can make it simpler. There are two main ways to cite references: by hand, or using a template. Depending on what version (what "skin") of Wikipedia you are using, there should be a row of boxes right above the editing window. One of them is "cite". If you click on that you get a choice of templates: web, news, book, journal, etc. Most of your references are either "news" or "web". You can fill in or paste in the information, then put your cursor where you want it in the article and click "add citation". That's important: if you don't "add citation" you will lose it and have to do it over. For "news" you will want at least the url, title, name of newspaper (or tv channel etc.) and publication date. For "web" you need at least url, title, and work or publisher. If you don't have that "cite" template in your version of Wikipedia, here is a simple way to do it by hand: Notice the single-bracket around the url and the title you want to give - separated from the url by a space. That will come out looking like this: See what you can do with the references. Then I might nit-pick a thing or two in the article, and I think it will be ready to go. We will need to add categories, but it's best not to do that in the sandbox but to wait until the article is in mainspace. Good work! --MelanieN (talk) 14:41, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Melanie, I have fixed them up! Please let me know what else needs to be added.  Thanks so much!!!Neheliski (talk) 17:27, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow, that was fast! I made a couple of changes - eliminated the "who can heliski" section and got rid of the "untracked guides" reference, since it is not a reliable source and the Edmonton Sun provides a better source for the same info. One other thing you might want to do is to see if there is anything else you want to wikilink to - check whether the lakes and mountains and rivers have Wikipedia articles and if so link. --MelanieN (talk) 17:47, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S. I also put a note on Peridon's talk page to ask about how to move this to mainspace - I think I can do it but I'm not sure. --MelanieN (talk) 17:48, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I have posted on his talk page. I will go and add more wiki links right now!  Thank you so much Melanie! you are awesome! Neheliski (talk) 17:52, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I have now added more Wiki links. Should I change my username?  Will that just be better for me?  I read your note on Peridon's page.  If I can change it, will that get rid of my article? Neheliski (talk) 18:12, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't change your name for you and neither can Peridon - it takes a "bureaucrat" - but I think you would be wise to ask for a change of username. The appropriate policy is here: Username policy. You can request a change of username here Changing username and then here Changing username/Simple. You might ask Peridon what reason you should give. Your article would not be affected, and in the history where it lists actions by you, it will automatically change to your new name. Wait, though: now that I think of it, this article is currently in the sandbox of your current username, so you might want to wait until the article gets moved to mainspace before you ask for a change. Pick a name that is not promotional and doesn't suggest Conflict of Interest; also, it's not advisable to use your real name, at least not all of it. Note that usernames are case sensitive. After you request your change, log out of Wikipedia; and anytime you log back in to do stuff, log out again when you finish. That's to free up your account so they can change it. --MelanieN (talk) 18:49, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay thank you Melanie. I have also copied the back page in case I do some weird mistake that totally crashes it. I am not computer technical so it is possible! Neheliski (talk) 18:53, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I misled you about wikilinks; they should only be used once, at the first use of the name or term in the article. Also it is probably not necessary to wikilink the word "terrain". Transworld Snowboarding does have an article here. I'm surprised that Treston Lake does not have an article; that might be your next project. Most natural features like lakes, rivers and mountains have articles. --MelanieN (talk) 19:04, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The Wikilinks have been fixed.Neheliski (talk) 19:13, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

You should think about what categories to put it in. Categories go at the very bottom of the article, in double brackets. I would wait until after the article gets moved to mainspace before adding them. I suggest:

Category:Ski areas and resorts in British Columbia

Category:Companies established in 2004

After your article goes live you will want to add it to this article:
 * List of ski areas and resorts in Canada

And you should think about other articles where you can mention this - so that it won't be an "orphan" with nothing linking to it. --MelanieN (talk) 23:10, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there a Wikilink to explain categories? Neheliski (talk) 23:25, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's here: Categorization. But it may be easier to explain by example. Just pick some random articles - you could look at some of the ones on my userpage if you want - and look at the bottom of the article to see what categories it is in. Click on a few of those categories to see what else is in that category. Click on some of those others to see what they have in common. Browse around that way and it will begin to make sense. Basically, the categories are just a way of sorting or organizing Wikipedia articles by topic. --MelanieN (talk) 23:34, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks, I'll take a look aroundNeheliski (talk) 23:40, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi again
That was quick. Can't have been much bureaucracy going on. OK. I've made a few comparatively minor changes. Have a look at them, and if you give the OK, I'll move it. Peridon (talk) 12:22, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * PS Your name doesn't change on existing talk page edits, but does in all the histories (this also applies when people use fancy signatures - they are frozen as at the time of posting). You'll be AshleeSphinx on all new talk page posts. Peridon (talk) 12:25, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Congrats on your new name and on your article. This article is WAY better than most of the ski lodge articles here (looking around while doing this, it seemed to me that at least half of them are candidates for deletion). Yours is well referenced and I'm sure is in no danger. Now please stay at Wikipedia and branch out into other editing! You would clearly be a good resource here - you learn fast and you are careful to follow the rules. And writing/editing/fixing things that you read can be a fun hobby. --MelanieN (talk) 16:28, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you both so much! I have to admit that making a page from scratch is very frustrating but it was great to learn. Today I will be going and finding "categories" and then we can move it?  AshleeSphinx (talk) 16:25, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You might start with the two categories I suggested above. All you have to do is put them at the bottom of the article, in double brackets. You don't have to do anything at the actual category page, they will be listed there automatically. --MelanieN (talk) 17:39, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Melanie. I Can not figure out this "category" stuff.... I have gone over the category wiki page and im still totally lost! Please help! AshleeSphinx (talk) 17:45, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Just go ahead and tell Peridon to launch the page, and I will add some categories once it is live. --MelanieN (talk) 18:27, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S. This page may be clearer than the one I initially sent you to: Help:Category Even it seems to be full of unnecessary jargon. Sorry, that's Wikipedia for you! --MelanieN (talk) 18:30, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank Melanie. I will post on Peridon's page. AshleeSphinx (talk) 18:41, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Now at Northern Escape Heli-skiing. I don't remember telling it to put a hyphen in there - if it shouldn't be, it can be moved to the correct version (and leave that as a redirect). I'll leave categories to Melanie. I never know what they are. Peridon (talk) 18:59, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I added categories, but don't be confused by my edit summary! I called it "adding categories," and the system automatically added some other text from an edit summary I did earlier. Curse you, autocorrect! ;-D --MelanieN (talk) 19:02, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you Peridon and Melanie. Peridon, the hyphen IS supposed to be there in our official name. AshleeSphinx (talk) 19:11, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Pleasure working with you. One other thing you will want to do now is to add the article to your watchlist - if you haven't already. You do that by clicking on the little star in the boxes above the article. (At least that's how you do it in my version; you can hover your cursor over the star to see if that's right.) What that does is put it on your watchlist, and then any time somebody makes a change or edit to the article page or talk page, you will know about it - because whenever you click on the "watchlist" link at the very top of the page, it shows you the most recent change to everything on your watchlist. --MelanieN (talk) 19:15, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I also added the article to several WikiProjects - that will call the article to the attention of people who are interested in skiing and in British Columbia respectively. At some point someone may come from one of those projects to "evaluate" the article; that's not anything you need to worry about. And I posted links to the article at List of ski areas and resorts in Canada and at Terrace, British Columbia - so that the article will have other articles linking to it and not be an WP:Orphan. --MelanieN (talk) 19:42, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for doing that. That probably would of confused me.  I love the look of the site.  I was just wondering, when you type into the "search" bar, what decides if titles pop up in bold or not show up?  for example, when you start typing in "northern es...." related things you could be searching, shows up. AshleeSphinx (talk) 19:57, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * That's interesting - that it doesn't yet auto-fill in the name on the search bar. It probably takes a day or two to get into the system, but it will be there. And then when someone types "Northern Es" it will be one of the choices. BTW there aren't any other names the resort is known by, are there? --MelanieN (talk) 20:33, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Just noticed that an article I created yesterday isn't popping up automatically yet either - but if I type in the full name it goes there. I guess it takes a few days to get into the "suggested links" system (or whatever they call it - color me clueless on techie stuff). --MelanieN (talk) 20:37, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No that is the only name (or for short just "Northern Escape"). I'll check again in a couple days to see if it pops up. AshleeSphinx (talk) 20:42, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
For listening and learning

Peridon (talk) 19:06, 19 November 2012 (UTC) 
 * Thank you for the kitten! I love cats! :D AshleeSphinx (talk) 19:12, 19 November 2012 (UTC)