User talk:Ashleydotson37

May 2017
You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you violate Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy by inserting unsourced or poorly sourced defamatory or otherwise controversial content into an article or any other Wikipedia page, as you did at Gary Dotson. Seraphimblade Talk to me 21:49, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * To be perfectly clear, any information about a living person must, without fail, be referenced to a reliable source, especially when it is potentially negative or controversial. This biographies of living persons policy is one we enforce strictly. Should you once again insert potentially negative or controversial information about a living individual, especially when it was already once removed with a clear indication it was removed as a BLP violation, you will be blocked from editing. Seraphimblade Talk to me 21:51, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to "talk" back. However, as stated in my note when I adjusted. I have in no way made defamatory, negative, or controversial comments. I'm Gary Dotson's daughter and I can give you plenty of phone numbers to prove what I have stated is true. I only added on and corrected the information that was reporting. If you guys are in fact, having correct information on Wikipedia, then you might want to take it as truth that a LIVING RELATIVE posted factual information and you deleted it. Please advise. Ashleydotson37 (talk) 20:32, 19 May 2017 (UTC)Ashleydotson37
 * Leaving your message here is fine. I keep talk pages on watch when I comment so that I'll see responses. As to what you have said, the information you provided, regarding family issues, could certainly be considered potentially controversial. Being true isn't enough. To include something like that in an article, it must be published in a reliable source. Phone numbers won't, I'm afraid, do for it, it must actually be published. Are there any reputable sources that have published information about the matters you brought up? If so, I can certainly help you evaluate whether those would be usable. If not, though, I'm afraid there's nothing to be done for it. Especially in biographies of living individuals, we can't make exceptions there. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:40, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

I can get one published as it's pretty easy to contact the Chicago Sun Times and Chicago Tribune in regards to either of my parents. However, there are police reports. That's a reliable source isn't it? Also, many things were deleted after I edited them that are common fact and have been published. Including his alcoholism? Those were added many years ago. I don't know who they were added by, but as stated previously, those are on many pages. Ashleydotson37 (talk) 20:55, 19 May 2017 (UTC)Ashleydotson37

Side note: This was published in People magazine. Which shows who he REALLY is and was. His marriage to Camille Dardanes, a 21-year-old bartender, and the birth of a daughter, Ashley, in 1987, seemed to compound his problems. Drowning his difficulties in booze, Dotson racked up a series of scrapes with the law over alcohol-related traffic offenses. A domestic dispute landed him in jail again in 1987. Thompson granted him a “last chance” release, but in December, Dotson was jailed again for violating parole. Ashleydotson37 (talk) 20:59, 19 May 2017 (UTC)Ashleydotson37
 * Police reports are primary. We generally don't use those in BLPs without corroboration from reputable secondary sources. While they are probably reasonable reliable, they would probably require substantial interpretation, and regardless, the purpose of an encyclopedia article is to distill down the critical facts about something. If no one else found those police reports significant enough to write about, it probably indicates they're not significant enough to be included in the article either. If you could show me directly a specific source you'd like to use, I can certainly take a look at it. Seraphimblade Talk to me 23:56, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

As stated previously, this was already in the BLP and you removed it. It came from People magazine. People is a reputable source. I've attached the link.http://people.com/archive/jailed-for-a-rape-that-never-happened-gary-dotson-has-his-name-cleared-at-last-vol-32-no-9/ Ashleydotson37 (talk) 13:44, 22 May 2017 (UTC)Ashleydotson37
 * People is a reliable enough source, yes. However, they only cover his personal difficulties in passing, in an article that is primarily about the most notable thing about him&mdash;the false charges he was convicted and later exonerated of. I think that would be sufficient for a small amount of text about those difficulties. We'd have to be careful not to give them undue weight; that is, they shouldn't be taking up a large portion of the article. Also, People didn't say "alcoholism". That's a medical diagnosis, and we cannot infer that without it being explicitly stated. I do think we could have a bit in the article about his separation from Dardanes (not "Camille", by the way, we use a formal tone when referring to people, full name on first mention and last name thereafter). However, People gives no backing at all to the "whole Dotson clan" assertion or anything associated with that. Absent a reference for that, that can't go back in (and even if there were such, "clan" is a bit informal). Since you're very close to the subject, that makes it very hard for you to maintain neutrality (not you specifically; true of everyone). We strongly suggest that in such a case, editors affected that way suggest edits to the talk page for review rather than directly putting them into the article, especially on something like sensitive BLP material. Seraphimblade Talk to me 14:59, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * By the way, I much appreciate your patience and willingness to listen. I know writing things here is a lot different than anyone might be used to elsewhere, and it can be a bit to take in at first. Seraphimblade Talk to me 15:01, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm extremely frustrated as this IS factual. I also don't understand how something that has been written on this page years and years ago is just now being taken off? His alcoholism is fact. It's common knowledge. And articles do state his alcoholism. For instance, this article published by the Chicago Tribune, December 29, 1987: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/keyword/gary-dotson states his alcoholism. BTW, there's information on here that IS incorrect. His birthday is completely wrong. But that clearly wasn't fact checked. It seems like it is a pick and choose. Ashleydotson37 (talk) 21:12, 22 May 2017 (UTC)AshleyDotson37

Or this one, also in 1989 from Chicago Tribune where it states, an admitted alcoholic. If this was all incorrect he could have sued for libel. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1989-08-15/news/8901040811_1_cathleen-crowell-webb-gary-dotson-recanted Ashleydotson37 (talk) 21:20, 22 May 2017 (UTC)AshleyDotson37
 * That's plenty reliable, so I've put back in the material regarding his issues with alcoholism. I think that warrants a brief mention. The rest, though, is very questionable. His primary notability comes from the false charges laid against him, so it's undue weight for half the article to be about his personal and family issues. That also raises concerns regarding too much material about the other members of his family as well, since they're not themselves notable, and so we'd want to be careful of having too much about issues of people who are essentially private individuals who never sought attention. And yes, I know editing BLPs can be awfully difficult (I've run into frustrations of my own with them), but we do always err on the side of caution with them. Just like here, we can always put something back later if we find it can be properly supported. Seraphimblade Talk to me 23:26, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

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Hey the portion you said could stay as it's proven has been removed by someone. Ashleydotson37 (talk) 15:42, 23 February 2018 (UTC)