User talk:AspenShrines

I am the author of this page and I am attempting to provide information on, and a history of, the 33 "Shrines" that exist on the four ski mountains at Aspen/Snowmass Colorado. These shrines are quite famous in the skiing community and many skiers come to visit the shrines every year. Unfortunately, there are no books that I know of that have been written about the shrines and that has added to their mystique. But the shrines are documented to an extent. The Aspen Skiing Company mentions these shrines on their web site, but do not show them on the trial maps and do not give a comprehensive listing of them. I give citations to these mentions in my article. The only other additional information I know of that exists about these shrines is contained in 5 or 6 newspaper articles that have been written about the shrines, which I cite in my article. There is also information about the Shrines on 4 different web sites that I cite in the article. This article does not promote an item or a product and is just my attempt to give information on these famous and mystical shrines at Aspen/Snowmass. I think an article on this subject is of great interest to the skiing community and to the several hundred thousand people that come to Aspen/Snowmass every year to ski. Perhaps I have not done a good job of writing it, but I do think the subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia. I am open to any suggestions as to how I might change it to make it acceptable. Thank you. AspenShrines (talk) 01:29, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi there. I really appreciate your interest in WikiPedia, and I would like to help you with your Aspen Shrines article. This article, while containing lots of interesting information, has a lot of issues right now that are going to make it the target of editors wanting to delete it. You should not hold this against these editors; I myself do a lot of deletion review and it's an integral part of keeping Wikipedia from devolving into a mass of incoherence.


 * If you will let me, I would like to do a few things here that will give the article the best possible chance of survival. The first thing, if you don't mind, is that I will move a copy of this article to your user space so that you have a working copy of it and can mess around without it being "in the Wikipedia open", if you will. Then, I will massively shorten the article to a referenced stub that is in much less danger of being targeted for deletion. That will buy you some time.


 * Then, you yourself need to thoroughly review (read: thoroughly review) some Wikipedia policies. I know it seems beaurocratic and somewhat of a waste of time, but as you get to learn Wikipedia, you will see that these policies are in place for the reason I stated above - they maintain Wikipedia's integrity and credibility. The policies/guidelines I would like you to review are first the Five Pillars of Wikipedia. This will show you things such as Wikipedia's policy of verifiability, which means that we do not allow original research to be published here. Your thoughts and experiences are not fair game for articles - everything must be previously published in reliable, significant sources. This will also show you Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy - you have to be vigilant to avoid putting your own opinion into the article. Once you are aware of the core Wikipedia policies previously mentioned here, you should bone up on the Wikipedia Manual of Style, which will show you how an article should be written. As it is, your article needs some work - the tone of the article itself is written more like a school paper or essay, and not an encyclopedia article.


 * Let me know (by replying below) if you are interested in doing the preparation work necessary to create a great Wikipedia article. By the way, you should sign your name with four tildes ( ~ ) so that people know who wrote what. Thanks for taking the time to read this. Tan   |   39  03:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Dear Tan, I appreciate your help. Yes I am interested. AspenShrines (talk) 14:09, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Dear Tan, I have read the items you asked me read and I am ready to get started. What is the next step? AspenShrines (talk) 14:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, if you did it in the 22 minutes as evidenced here, you did not read them well enough ;-) Let me move the article to your userspace and stub it - stand by. Tan   |   39  15:17, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I stubbed the article Aspen Shrines and moved the previous one to your userspace here. You can edit the one in your sandbox to your heart's content and no one will care; it's not on the Wikipedia mainspace. I use my own sandbox a lot to prep articles before I "release them to the wild". For the time being, I would leave the stub alone and work on the page in your sandbox. Let me know when you want me to review your work and I'll be happy to. Check out other shrine articles, such as Shrine of the Báb, for a general idea of what your page should look like. Tan   |   39  15:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

May 2008
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In case anyone wants to update the page, there are 39 shrines (not 33); see http://www.aspensnowmassshrines.com/index.php?id=1,3,0,0,1,0  Also a book about the Aspen shrines has just been published; see http://www.blurb.com/search/site_search?search=sanctuaries+in+the+snow&filter=bookstore&commit=Search AspenShrines (talk) 16:50, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Phone of the wind
Hi there, I just wanted to let you know that I undid your addition of the Aspen wind phone to the wind phone article. I visited the website and it's beautifully constructed. Unfortunately, the information needs to be cited to a reliable secondary source (such as a local newspaper). If you'd like to see it in the article, I'd recommend seeing if a local journalist can report on it! I'm sure they'd be interested in picking it up. Let me know if you have any questions. Best, DanCherek (talk) 02:11, 24 February 2021 (UTC)