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Speedy deletion nomination of ICAAN.ie


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Speedy deletion nomination of ICAAN.ie


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Tony Humphreys
Inclusion of the full text of a first-hand email (the content of which is certainly of interest) is not appropriate to the article. A verifiable second-hand source, such as newspaper article, is essential.Grumpy Marmoset (talk) 16:30, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

November 2012
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Asperger syndrome
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Proposed deletion of "Damon Matthew Wise"


The article "Damon Matthew Wise" has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Specifically NOT a WP:BLPPROD becaise there are references, I am flagging this article for deletion because it does not assert clearly why this person, who appears to be notable is notable. Clarify this matter and I am content that this notice be removed. Fiddle   Faddle  14:45, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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August 2013
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 * Damon Matthew Wise born 3rd of October 1969 in Brghton, England, UK of Flemish mother born to two resistance leaders
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Damon Matthew Wise
There is no way to say this gently. The article is a mess. Now, while it's ok for it to start out as a slightly rambling piece it must be shaped into a decent article very fast after its creation. This is because Wikipedia has readers who wish to read good articles.

If you are not easily able to turn it from the very rough draft t is in today into a finished piece, please ask for help form experienced editors. To as for help, please the text in a new section on this page, and ask for the help you would like. My suggestions are encompassed in the issues banners that I have replaced at the head of the article. Please do not remove them until each one has been addressed.

Please also use a spelling checker when you make edits. You have unusual spellings for words. Fiddle  Faddle  22:21, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Mentoring Let me know if you want any help in editing this article (or any others). —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:03, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Damon Matthew Wise


A tag has been placed on Damon Matthew Wise requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

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Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Damon Matthew Wise, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. Fiddle  Faddle  22:50, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Damon Matthew Wise for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Damon Matthew Wise is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Talkback
Fiddle  Faddle  23:07, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

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notification (moved from mistaken placement on user page)
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Manual of style
Hi, I noticed that you were doing a lot of editing at Damon Matthew Wise. I also noticed the article has a whole lot of sections, nearly one section per sentence. I thought I'd let you know that we try to avoid this style on Wikipedia, as it makes it really hard to read, and it's not very encyclopedic. There should typically be multiple paragraphs per section. You can read up on this at MOS:SECTIONS and MOS:PARAGRAPHS. ~Adjwilley (talk) 01:50, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

There are rules which must be followed
Hi AspieNo1

When you edit here there are rules. These rules are important. We expect you to learn them and to use them. If you do not learn and use them then things will go wrong.


 * 1) Everything written here must be Notable. There's a lot of stuff to read there. You must read and understand it.
 * 2) Every significant fact must be verified. There's a lot of stuff to read there. You must read and understand it.
 * 3) Sources for verification must be reliable sources. There's a lot of stuff to read there. You must read and understand it.
 * 4) The language used in articles must be able to be understood by all other readers, not just the person writing the article

Someone like Damon Matthew Wise may be a great person, work hard and do good things, but may not be notable to others. If he is notable, be sure he meets rule 1. Then make sure that the facts are verified (rule 2 and rule 3) and the language is good (rule 4). Fiddle  Faddle  09:13, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Not a problem
The page is being constructed with contents and references and notable events and activities. points 1 to 3 are being addressed over the next few weeks.

We have started integrating links and references from web searches on Damon Matthew Wise using search engines to ensure independent and verifiable corroboration and now images which corroborate every section subsection and sub-section of the text.

Most of the verification is already there to be seen in the resources we have located and shared and indexed - we are going through the links and locating content and getting permissions to use beforehand. We have some issues to work out on third party copyright - but started uploading images to wikimedia from Wise Family albums which he and Karen have freely given, which they have made, bought the rights for distribution, had donated and already publicly shared.

You cannot expect us to share and have content before we have been given permission and confirmed use?


 * My friend, please trust me. it is a problem. The article lacks notability. it fails, so far, all of those rules. And you do not have the time to search and search for answers. You have the next few days, not the next few weeks. The article needs to be edited rithlessly to strip it right back to basics. You need very few lines to show:
 * Who is Damon Matthew Wise?
 * Why is he notable?
 * That is the best you can hope to achieve in order to save the article at this stage. Please accept that what I say is true. I inderstand Wikipedia well. Fiddle   Faddle  10:53, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

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Help is here!
Hi AspieNo1! Me and Justin decided to help you with your article Damon Matthew Wise, and would like to adopt you! If its possible, (and its up to you), for easy communication can you provide us (or me) with your either Skype or e-mail so that we can help you. By the way, I have autism too, so we might even become great friends! --Mishae (talk) 18:09, 18 August 2013 (UTC)


 * As part of the help you are offering to AspieNo1, I hope you will find the request I have made at Articles for deletion/Damon Matthew Wise to be something you will find useful. I think it is important to take the pressure off this editor, and to allow sufficient time for a fully developed article to emerge. If you agree with me please support my request there. or, if you are an admin, consider an early closure along those lines. Fiddle   Faddle  19:33, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

We're working on links and images, but hit problems
In order to link and make a cohesive we need press coverage before there was web content.

The Periods of 1993-1999 web content was rare to find much many free web-hosting of ISPs are gone or content not acceptable. We are asking Damon to provide us with Scanned images of publications; but wikimedia are blocking uploading of items which he alone has copyright to, even though this is communicated. In some cases we are getting him to make contact again with the freelance photographers, photo studies who he commissioned for taking the image for him to have the rights to use, and news media or photographic agencies.

If there is little or no webpages that work from back then, the we will be looking to reproduce e-mail and images in the organisation archives he has been in and his persona albums - but this will take time.

We will be working on cleaning up links and ref to spread relevant connections in each section subsection and sub-section. I think that what is an exceptional icon and image of hope and finding of community to us in Ireland may come over differently. We know the steps he has taken and how he and his family have suffered - but would be inappropriate of us to show such an extreme position one way or another - we have to find a fair and balanced middle ground to be independent, accurate, and verifiable.

You will note that his academic documents and handouts used in lectures, media appearances and on AUTINET in the 90's have been widely reposted (and luckily some still remain, as several people thought them important enough to add to their informational sites in the late 90's and 00's and indeed exist in different formats still. We have only done a search by his full proper name - we know people kept on omitting his middle name and getting it completely wrong.

Think we have got the general layout right - it is now done to matching confirmation of the text and links and refs backing each other up, and finding a pattern which shows a consistent technique which is readable.

It would be so much easier if we could break the page into headings and links to a selection of charities and causes he championed and promoted but ICAAN.ie was also blocked, as was the page on the history and culture of Aspies - trying to link these all on the page about him is well a struggle..

As state we are all in the spectrum and/or have disabilities and this page will reflect our language and attitudes not the reader. It may be an idea to state that in the lead? "Reader Health warning: this page is about autism and disability issues Damon Matthew Wise has volunteered in and the service he has provided thousands, if you are slightly used to simple contents and not used to difference in language and style and not long-winded and complex, then you clearly know nothing about autism or disability, please consider reading another text" or some such? Will need to discuss on on the team meetings ... at the moment wikimedia been doing our collective heads in. Your policy and theirs seem to be oxymoronically positioned. They require the rights holders babysitting each and every images rights and well wikipeadia the exact opposite want us to be able to show independence of not having to have him to directly involved ... it's proving to be a problem. If they keep questioning every personal image of him that he approves us using and have to wait while he fights to prove he is the rights-holder of his own image, then its going to be a very slow and agonising process. He took 9 months on Facebook to be able to use his own rights-paid election campaign-shots for his profile.

We and he have both written to wikimedia to undelete all images they took down and clear the other ones. In the meantime the parties that sold or gave him the rights need to again put things in writing for events which happened 15-20 year ago ... Got to get some sleep - night shift is coming on so we want to make sure everything uploaded is still there and not created another conflict or been removed or disappeared again ...

A very important Wikipedia rule
Every account must be used ONLY by a single person. If multiple people wish to edit Wikipedia then each must have an account of his own or of her own.

What happens if this rule is broken is that the account is blocked, for ever.

If someone then opens a new account to get around the block, they are blocked, for ever.

Please make sure that you obey the rule about one person, one account.

If you have broken this rule in the past because you did not know, please stop breaking it now that you know. This is a rule and must not be broken. Fiddle  Faddle  08:18, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

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Aware of this :) - other people contributing by use of e-mail and drop box and this user-account is still used by a single person. Will ask other people relaying to set up an account if they do not have one and join directly, if a single person winning as relay for several others is a problem ...  when using we, I mean the team off wiki and I is the user entering the changes and drafts and information received.
 * If there's only one individual making the actual changes, that should be fine, but I would recommend avoiding the potentially confusing term "we" in that case. The individual making the edits is the one ultimately responsible for them, even if they are doing so at the request of other parties, and it only muddies the waters if an editor suggests that they aren't responsible for the edits made under their account. Thanks. DonIago (talk) 12:35, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Really pleased you are working within the rules of WIkipedia
I have a limited understanding of how difficult it is for you. My wife acted as a one on one mentor in school for two years for a 5 year old on the Asperger Spectrum, and did a lot of research to help him. She found this a very difficult and rewarding experience, and was able to help him integrate into school and to understand the rules of sociable living within a school. That boy went on to mainstream secondary education.

I know something of the effort it has taken you to understand and co-operate with the rules and I am writing you this note to congratulate you. Please continue to work within the rules, and accept my warmest congratulations for what you have done so far to work well here.

 Hello AspieNo1, Timtrent has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Fiddle   Faddle  14:19, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

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= LOL - hilarious, indeed - I guess that is why this page is significant - Damon brought each of us out of the proverbial closet, and said it is OK to work as a team and still be different(even those he never met but touched) - and we are not alone - with thousands of people with Asperger's and autism realising it is OK to be a geek, a smart-alek, a loner, a teamplayer, whatever each of us has different disabilities and abilities - it's all about the trade-off - conformity is not required to be an aspie; I can find my own way, or seek help, if I do not have the confidence to do things, and I know I have people who appreciate me being me and not a clone of a perfect soldier. We all can appreciate ourselves and our uniqueness - and not being wrong for being us. Many of us have a sneaking admiration for the one who opened our eyes and made us feel part of the world.

FYI: many of us working in the project have met Damon and been inspired by him -his lectures and radio segments have made us realise there is skill in each of us, no matter what - just because we may have a difficulty, or difference doesn't matter - even those in the disability organisations he is member of in Ireland and elsewhere who are not in the autistic spectrum have been affected.

Us Aspies, Cousins and Auties - with language he allows us to joke about ourselves and not blame the Mundane Sire we tend to think outside the box and of society and appropriateness - moderate, fair, balanced, and impartial to a fault - straight and always try to keep to the law and rules - order and justice exists in every fibre of our existence; we think of the group first and not ourselves.

Thus the term Aspies, Cousins and Auties refer to a class of society or group - and not normally aspie (as in one), we think as a collective, and thus feel uncomfortable in a collective, using language of one. The use of we reflects everyone in Ireland and around the world. Referring to me or I after all would be selfish, and we cannot have that! We need to function in a balanced, moderate, neutral and socially just world.

We can both know the person of this article to see, or hear or read from, but on the grand-scheme of things, none of us really know the other - all we get is a snap-shot. As regards suggestion that me or any of the other contributors being to closely connected or related to the subject and cannot be independent or such, I think that shows a complete lack of understanding about what us Aspies, Cousins and Auties feel as natural unselfish community-minded compulsives. We do not have a single thought which is negative, hostile, false, devious, or any such thing. In my, and probably many in the spectrum (and likely many others who know about us) this is at best a very bad joke, if not down rights insulting and abusive language.

If I or any other person was so minded and like that (which makes me crawl in my skin just thinking of it), we would possessive and not want anybody to "corrupt" or get involved in improving the listing. Sure it is important to me and other, but we are not like that; in the grand scheme of things it is a stepping stone to recognition.

There is one thing - somebody edited that Damon is Irish; that is not entirely accurate. In the submissions and google.ie search (which was removed late last night or early this morning) there was a piece from some chat site he was on that listed that shows he is British Born, was Irish Naturalised and only has Irish-voting rights and thus got Belgian Nationality instated (retrospective to 1st of January 1985). Comes from annoying the Minister of Justice of the time, as he says in the Lonergan Case - all those involved had their information sent to the minister, and he found ways to punish them all - his naturalisation details are no longer on file.

Talkback
—Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:54, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Removal all all contents IN Talk:Aspies of subsecton:
History of the term Aspies and similar words used by people with Asperger's syndrome, etc == ==

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Aspies&action=history

I wish to complain in the strongest terms about cyber vandalism: Talk:aspies a whole section of work over the years, and all contributions has summarily been deleted ... this is a unique cultural identity of people within and around the autistic spectrum and should not be summarily banned in an act of cyber-terrorism, vandalism and hatred towards people within the autistic spectrum using the expressions for in and about 15-20 years. Can we - in the community have people stand up against abuse of such actions?

Talk about the term "Aspies".

I think this term is offensive and make a children from people who have AS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.11.87.222 (talk) 17:50, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * There is no cyberbullying here. An editor deleted the talk page of a redirect in good faith. PLease do not take offence so easily. Please also do not scatter your complaints across multiple talk pages. I have restored the page you complained about, but this is a simple matter, to be taken up simply and politely with the editor who deleted the talk page.
 * Please use extreme care with your social interactions, especially when you are upset. Fiddle   Faddle  09:06, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

History of the term Aspies and similar words used by people with Asperger's syndrome, etc
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Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 16:32, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

discospinster removed ALL of Talk:Aspies (again) - despite it and the main contents were keep and set up redirection to Asperger's syndrome

"   14:27, 21 August 2013 Discospinster (talk | contribs) deleted page User:AspieNo1 (mistaken warning on user page) " MrOllie removed Mundanes, and Neurotypical and Timtrint removed cross-reference in Asperger syndrome and reinstated, after I wrote for their help to properly write Aspies page (original Aspies page also was a keep and redirected.

Talking with my colleagues, with over 2000 references to Aspies being in discussions in Talk:aspies should be merged with original Aspis article, and with information referenced, built into a new permanent article on how Aspies have their own language, culture and systems of doing things.

On their talk pages I wrote "Please reinstate word coinage cross-referencing Aspies usages of words, like Mundane for "Neurotypical", etc


 * Please understand that the rules here do not bend for any of us. You must work within them. When consensus deletes something it tends to stay deleted. If you think it is worth it you can use adminhelpme and get administrative assistance. Fiddle   Faddle  17:03, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Please reinstate word coinage cross-referencing Aspies usages of words, like Mundane for "Neurotypical"
If you check talk:asperger's syndrome, talk:Aspies and talk:Damon Matthew Wise you will see considerable discussion and discovery of evidence of pre-1999 references to such cultural lingo used by Aspies, and removing Aspie cultural. It should start coming out of talk pages and come into the public area.

Aspies around the world, who have now been using Aspies, Cousins, and Auties for around 20 years have no problem using their referenced lingo. It should not be classed as a subculture, to be hidden away, but identified as a unique cultural language and meaning.

Please do the right thing and reinstate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neurotypical&oldid=569577634&diff=prev


 * One thing you must have learned in your life is that you usually get the same results from doing the same thing. No-one is going to allow you to link to a talk page from an article. It is against the rules here. It is time to stop asking for that. When you are refused every time you try to do something you must start to recognise that you are not right, and must accept consensus. Fiddle   Faddle  17:06, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Help request
If this request is about the undeletion of your use page, I have done that for you - see below. If it is about the question above, FiddleFaddle is right: if you want to link to that material from an article, you will have to get an article about it accepted. I don't know the history of this, but if it has not been accepted as an article, you cannot get around that by putting it on a talk page and linking to that. JohnCD (talk) 21:38, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

User:AspieNo1 deleted by Discospinster
Please undelete my user page

14:27, 21 August 2013 Discospinster (talk | contribs) deleted page User:AspieNo1 (mistaken warning on user page)

He also deleted (again) Talk:Aspies Page and redirected it to Asperger syndrome (which is not appropriate place on self-indentification of people with asperger's and related disorders.

Other editors, however proposed solutions, and if you could you please reinstate content temporarily and move on mass to talk:Sociological_and_cultural_aspects_of_autism (same for original Aspies page and then redirect that to Sociological_and_cultural_aspects_of_autism

Aspies can then work together on a page on self-identification and language ad merge Aspies and Talk:Aspies references, and those on Asperger syndrome page, it's talk and Damon Matthew Wise and its talk into a unified page on Aspies Culture and language (hope it could be called Aspies:_Sociological_and_cultural_aspects_of_autism or something down the road?

Redirecting Aspies and Talk:Aspies out to a page which is more anti-culture and refers to us as a subculture is offensive. We deserve recognition of same. talk) 18:36, 21 August 2013 (UTC) AspieNo1 (talk) 18:39, 21 August 2013 (UTC) AspieNo1 (talk) 18:42, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello AspieNo1. Your userpage was deleted as probably someone erroneously put a warning message there instead of your talkpage. And that is not a big issue, you can create your userpage whenever you want (by clicking this red link: User:AspieNo1.) -- S M S  Talk 19:14, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * If there was any significant content on your userpage (which I doubt as if it was the case, Discospinster must have not deleted it in the first place), you can ask Discospinster or any other admin to restore that page for you. In case you want to opt for latter, just put admin help on your talk page with a request to restore your userpage. Hope this helps. -- S M S  Talk 20:02, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * And if you want to start your userpage anew click this red link → User:AspieNo1, write any content you want and hit the save button. -- S M S  Talk 20:05, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

{admin help} Please undelete User talk:AspieNo1
See messages above - please undelete

Please undelete User:AspieNo1 AspieNo1 (talk) 20:21, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Your user page (i.e. User:AspieNo1) was created by another user. It was clearly a mistake and the page was speedily deleted as such. There is no reason whatsoever for resurrecting it. As for your user talk page (User talk:AspieNo1 as referenced in the section header) it has never been deleted. Favonian (talk) 21:06, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Since you request it, I have undeleted your user page, but as Discospinster told you, there is nothing there: its entire history is that user UseTheCommandLine posted a notification of an ANI discussion there by mistake instead of on your talk page, and eight minutes later blanked it with edit summary "eep, user, not user talk page" and immediately posted it in the proper place on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 21:09, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
... disco spinster   talk  20:48, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

You may have to accept the community's verdict
This will be tough to cope with, but you need to accept that the community here has stated that the article on Mr Wise may not be kept. May I suggest you make all your communication with people who can userfy the article simple.

They do not need to know how much you care, or about families or about any other matter. All they need to know is that you would like to work on the article in your userspace. The longer you make your message the more likely it is to be misunderstood. You have a unique way of communicating. It takes a while for some of us to tune in to it. The people who close deletion discussions are, usually, just doing it as a piece of work that has to be done, and they have no interest in tuning in to you, or to me, or to anyone else. So please make their lives simple. Fiddle  Faddle  23:00, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Have suggested a number ways forward - about retaining contents for editing and reviewing references located and cleaning up article
Although applied for Sandbox and supported userfy idea as a stepping stone to continue working, don't know if anyone else understands exactly what yea are on about. We may sound like culchies, but a lot of these Yanklish expressions sound like goobledigook - I haven't found a logical definition that makes the slightest sense!

Think Damon will be annoyed if all the work everyone put into the project is wasted, so something has to be done. I know some of the comments were offensive, as if he agreed to it for promoting himself, rather then the cause - that is down right the most objectionable lack of understanding of Aspies that is out there - discriminatory, prejudices and insulting.

AspieNo1 (talk) 23:31, 24 August 2013 (UTC) AspieNo1 (talk) 23:34, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

AspieNo1 (talk) 11:17, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I decided to meld in. First of all this project is founded by Jimmy Wales not by Damon. Second, as far as Damon's project goes, I personally salute him since I have Aspie friends myself. I do however need to point out that only thing that you need to do is to clean up the article, and then it will be perfect and Damon will be happy too. Another thing to mention is that no one here is against the Aspies or Damon.--Mishae (talk) 04:45, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

response left on talk ...

Thanks for support on my talk ... agree this was started by JW, but are discussing works with DMW ... bringing Aspies contents in mainstream
Re above, Thanks for support on my talk - so many people been negative since the article were deleted by a majority vote ... I agree the Wiki-project was started by Jimmy Wales, but are discussing works with Damon Matthew Wise ... bringing Aspies contents from the internet into the mainstream. Many of us view his page as a start to indexing resources, pages, and reference contents from the Aspies, Cousins and Auties communities into the mainsteam.

We are working on many projects shared with people around Ireland and beyond.

Personally worked on updating the Candy Waters Tribute page while the family were at the funeral.

Yes, I am sure that many Aspies often take things personal and feel personally aggrieved as IF it is against Aspies and Damon (that seems a common perception) - I am sure as we get to work again and perfect the contents from the webpages and resources he has contributed over the years on Aspies cultural identity and language (had discovered an Early 1999 reply to a message from Vario - Tabnet about his Federation-Trust.ORG website lapsing quoting back his 1994-1999 signature showing Aspies referencea lists and available materials ... many such materials were downloaded in Internet cafes and using early Yahoo! groups and usenet and other newsgroups - as we dig further into the digital archives we uncover more content.

ICAAN HQ is at half capacity today at best - many are at the funeral. Several projects and people around the country have travelled down, I am told.

AspieNo1 (talk) 12:07, 26 August 2013 (UTC) AspieNo1 (talk) 12:35, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

What in the world....
Aspie, you need to slow down ... A LOT. You're copy/pasting the same requests all over the place, and it's becoming problematic. The AFD was closed as delete - and rightly so. Claiming that there was any other possible close is impossible. However, Bbb23 said one thing - ask directly for userfication, and he'll do it immediately. You've never done that: instead, you have argued for its return to articlespace, which based on the AFD is impossible.

If you have a personal relationship of any type with the subject, you should never be editing ANY article about them. You're clearly too close to them to be of any help with an encyclopedia article - and continuing to edit it will just lead to more issues.

However: go back to my main point: stop arguing about the article and simply ASK Bbb23 to USERFY it. Stop pasting the same gibberish all over the project! ES &#38;L  09:59, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I have used Userfy request and asked to userfy or Sandbox as stated in every message ... no response. Many people in the autistic spectrum and with disabilities, have heard of, met or somehow know of or have had dealings with Damon and his family, and familiar. It would be weird if that wasn't the case! If I was close to the issue, don't you think I would have been at the funeral rather then holding the fort and posting yesterday, on work computer, laptop, etc? AspieNo1 (talk) 11:13, 27 August 2013 (UTC) AspieNo1 (talk) 11:14, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * ...and you did it again. Do not paste the same comment in multiple places - all discussions should be kept in the same place, together  ES  &#38;L  11:25, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Short form: whatever you do, do not go back and edit previous posts on his talkpage. Create a brand-new section.  Say something along the lines of "I apologize if I was confusing the other day.  It is not my intent to argue that the article xxxxx should be a live article at this point.  I understand the arguments at the AFD, and accept that there is significant work to be done before that article could be live.  I request userfication of the article so that I and others may work on the draft, and I promise to get your advice before moving it back into articlespace" .. and keep those promises.  You'll find Bbb23 to be a very friendly, understanding admin ... just don't give wall'o'text, and keep your word  ES  &#38;L  11:57, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * This is excellent advice. Please do exactly has he suggests and ONLY as he suggests. You will be very pleased with the result. ES&L knows what he is talking about. Fiddle   Faddle  12:03, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

- Having conflict between edits and switched computer again 3 points tried to raise; 1) yes have started posting on each talk page as was told to by several users and thought it was netiquette here to show content to user who may not otherwise read; 2) knowing of, having met, familiar, having contact by any person in Ireland and the subject when talking about Aspies or disability is very likely- Damon is prolific; 3)Words and expressions used were not best example of wikipedia and detracted on the improvement and notability, which was accepted as a disability biography listing as appropriate. AspieNo1 (talk) 12:21, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Could you PLEASE pay attention to the advice you're being given. Your most recent post on Bbb23's talkpage is clearly 180 degrees different to what I recommended above.  For 's sake, you REALLY need to follow the processes that this community has in place, and learn to listen to counsel.  Remember that you do no have rights to edit here - you agreed to follow the community norms when you signed up - start following those norms  ES  &#38;L  13:04, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Please disability-proof responses
Please disability proof terminology and do not use TLA without explanation, such as "AFD" - terms I cannot understand I cannot explain to colleagues off wikipedia ... Sorry, but please limits TLAs (Three Lettered abbreviation, I have dyslexia and may be in the autistic spectrum - at least I identify with much discussion and resources, as well as work in the field as volunteer).

AspieNo1 (talk) 12:29, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

DRV
You tried to post your deletion review on the talkpage of DRV - I have moved it to the correct place. (Deletion review/Log/2013 August 27). Black Kite (talk) 12:09, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks talk AspieNo1 (talk) 12:22, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

1) Undelete and guidelines or 2) Deletion Review and/or 3) Userfy or 4) Sandbox of Damon_Matthew_Wise and its talk to work on it
I have asked for Deletion review on the grounds that Damon_Matthew_Wise article met criteria Disability Biography and most had changed position to keep or if not possible userfy or sandbox.

This is a WP:ASPIES article and has been recognised as passing eligibility as a Disability article and uses language accordingly.

The comments were sometimes inappropriate and distracted from autism and disability content, and was still being worked on.

Alternatively, I agree that although it is the right side of keep, such discussions may have distorted it, and as a result would be prepared for temporary undelete of article (and its talk page, which contains information on research and work in progress that the editors were working through) and userfy or sandbox - many people on wikipedia are interested in this remaining a viable article, and yes work needs to be done to improve it.

I and other editors look for instructions of what may need to be improved to keep as a disability biography, as by and large have changed it as best we can get permissions through commons.wikimedia at this time.

We hope that you can restore, or temporarily restore page into whatever way and its talk so we have a coherant, independent, neutral, balanced, references and cited and researched article. AspieNo1 (talk) 12:41, 27 August 2013 (UTC) - Am still getting contradictory advice on placing of content on this talk page or the people communicating with - so can anybody please clarrify which nettiquette and when is appropriate to follow? AspieNo1 (talk) 14:35, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * If you are interested the article can be put on your talk page so that you can continue working on it. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 14:51, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

- Some people object to responding back on their talk page, and demand contents stay here on the record ...

Yes please had discussed temporary undelete for userfication of article Damon_Matthew_Wise and its talk talk:Damon_Matthew_Wise - which shows us what was researched and being done still, or sandbox - and any recommendations what it may need would be appreciated for the editors to work on ... and when and how to see re-review - seeing as it passed its last review under category Disability biography.

Will appreciate any help. Most appreciated ... AspieNo1 (talk) 18:11, 27 August 2013 (UTC) AspieNo1 (talk) 18:11, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Aspies
In April 1993 he coined the expression Aspies verbally, but developed the concept first on RTÉ Radio in studio in September 1993 at IRECON 3 - Star Trek conference - but formalized it in print in 1994, in an early edition of the "Advantages and Disadvantages - Asperger's from an Aspies viewpoint", adapted in 1996 as a handout, and included with Asperger's Syndrome a Personal Perspective as reference in RTE 1's Health Report in 1998. In 1999 he included all previously published texts on Asperger's in his social studies project entitled "Living With Aspies - Education and Autism", which was matriculated for his masters.

National representative for people with disabilities


In 1995 Wise was elected to the Clare network of the Council for the Status of People with Disabilities, and was elected to the national board of what became the Irish Council for People with Disabilities.

The new national board took office at the formal launch at Dublin Castle. In attendance were Minister of Disability and Equality Mervyn Taylor, Irish President Mary Robinson and several diplomats, including US Ambassador to IrelandJean Kennedy-Smith.

Charity-OnLine
Wise is a founding member of the Irish Charity On Line Support Project.

Personal life
Wise was married to Karen Christine Wise (née McElligott) in September 1994 in a Star Trek–themed charity wedding, the first in Europe during IRECON 4.

They had four children; three of which are surviving.

Notice differences - Disability review tag, comes from town, county and country affiliations missing
Come froms locations (places live and associated with) (Bio and state register, Belgium): Birth: Born in Brighton; East Sussex; England, Great Britain; United Kingdom (1969 and student 1988-1990); Other places from: from Patcham; West Sussex; (1969-1975); Hasselt; Province of Limburg; Flanders; Belgium (1975-1978); Mechelen; Province of Antwerp (1978-1988 - except 1985-1987); Antwerp (Home address 1988-1990); Limavady; Co. Londonderry (Derry) and Limerick (alternate) (1985-1987); Dublin (1993, student); Letterkenny; Co. Donegal (1993-1994, student), Shannon Town (1990-2013) citizenship =British (birth) citizenship =Belgian (from 22nd March 2013, retrospective to 1st January 1985) citizenship =Irish (December 1993 - May 1999 for Passport; voting as citizen since 1994.

Do we need confirmation for all of these associations or changes in Citizenship from Public record; AspieNo1 (talk) 18:50, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Websites being researched or referenced and link content and extract photographs and image files:- ==

Websites being researched or referenced and link content and extract photographs and image files:- AspieNo1 (talk) 19:27, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The Irish Star Trek Legacy - laggy due to volume of image files
 * Candy Waters Tribute
 * International Who's Who VIP Profile picture
 * Damon Matthew Wise webarchive searching old webpages and content
 * Was used as archive for old webpages on Aspies and work in 1990's - searching for pre-1999 content
 * first Aspie, cousin and Auties discussion group since 1995

Work in progress
We are currently building the Page on public figure, journalist, broadcaster and community politician as we are copying contents and references from International Who's Who, LinkedIn and Facebook profiles, and linking in public links from pages in media coverage over the coming weeks. This is a side project as we are also cleaning up and archiving pre-1999 webpages whose tables and embedded links will otherwise not longer be supported soon ...

Contested deletion
This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... (your reason here) --AspieNo1 (talk) 22:39, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Pages are being created expanded and referenced by the family of the subject from external sources, in relation to the exceptional effect he has had on thousands of people... it does not meet the requirement for deletion. We were asked to collect his accolades and awards and achievements as a result of his recent nomination and acceptance We have followed the Asperger's tradition of brutal and balanced accuracy and independent representation of information rather then tradition of embellishing so you will get a snapshot of his activities and achievements ... previously these histories were nominated for deletion  we thought because of risk of defamatory content, so we looking and linking of confirmed historical events which are reported online in which he was a significant and important part.


 * Please see Wikipedia's policies on notability and reliable sources. -- [ UseTheCommandLine  ~/ talk  ]# &#9604; 23:10, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

We are working on it - you try and filter through all the contents from Google.ie and look for relevance - there are so many sources and links to look up and see if they are relevant to the fair, balanced and independent representation of Damon : https://www.google.ie/#bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&fp=b9555517afdbd11d&q=Damon+Matthew+Wise

Exactly which sources you claim maybe unreliable as many are grouped together from common plenty of sources and archived- some content would have to be explored with older browsers and html code which is old, or using web-backup sites to show original content. If you have any suggestions on how to link in old content which is no longer on-line as the pages are no longer hosted or using old htnl code, we would be happy to hear. — Precedingunsigned comment added by AspieNo1 (talk •contribs) 00:38, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

The route forward - Simplification
This article must be simplified.


 * 1) Long sentences must be split in a grammatically correct manner
 * 2) Only truly notabel facts must be included, each with a citation passing WP:RS
 * 3) All sections which are just fluff and clutter must be stripped out ruthlessly.
 * 4) Only items which are directly relevant to Wise himself must remain. Any achievements of organisations he touched must be left to atucles on those organisations

By doing this we will get a dramatically shorter article that is 100% relevant, and can be demonstrated to add value to Wikipedia. Fiddle  Faddle  21:09, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The issue is a lack of reliable sources. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 02:56, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The citations and externals links now being used are very thin, and that is being generous. There just doesn't seem to be a lot of coverage from reliable sources about the subject. --Malerooster (talk) 03:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

This version is, I think, a datum point for the minimum clarity level and the minimum reference level acceptable for the article. I've done some radical pruning. I'm unsure about the need for some, all, of the pictures, but am content to let them stand for the moment. It is very important that you use clear English when you edit this article, and keep it with absolute precision to biographical details only. If you are not sure, leave it out of the article and ask on the talk page if it should go in. Fiddle  Faddle  10:21, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Aspies coinage
Liane Holliday Willey claims to be the first user of the word aspie in print, in 1999.-- Auric    talk  12:03, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

We are aware of this - the work done beforehand was not commercially published - first book with ISBN is not same as first conceived and published - that is not contested. We have seen first recorded uses in 1993, in handouts in 1994, revised in 1996 and revised copyrighted and leaflet in another publication derived from those copyrighted in 1998. The subject of this article used it in AUTINET and distributed on-line first in 1995. We have been asking for archive content from pre-web communication portals before 1999 to show this. This being a subject of Asperger's and autism, content is usually hidden and secret, and getting permissions from all parties to communications on e-mails from the early 90's is difficult. We are working on it ... Outline of communication history is in [|Original Aspies Talk Page that discusses Aspies and other language used by Aspies], uploaded by me a number of years ago. — Precedingunsigned comment added by AspieNo1 (talk •contribs) 12:15, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

We seem to have problem with people introduce non-international English
Keep on noticing text and wording designed for an USA audience. Seeing as the subject and issues are in relation to Ireland, and most of us sending in contributions by dropbox and those of us (we 2 of us) actually in Ireland thing that non-International English does not belong on this page. I saw references to people looking in from the UK and working from UK discussion groups, while this is welcome that anyone wants to help clean up and fix the page, please use Irish version of search engines, etc. There is very little content which is UK related - so Google Ireland is best. If you want to check spelling and grammar and cannot manage Irish English dictionary, thesaurus and grammar checker, next best would be English (GB), but not ever English(US).

Our team have downloaded an old website with pictures and publications, and found that it is just under 120 MB, and would be difficult to in the short term use any content for here. — Precedingunsigned comment added by AspieNo1 (talk •contribs) 12:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Absolutely no concerns that Irish phraseology is used. Within that context, clarity is still the most important attribute (after verifiable notability). Fiddle   Faddle  13:09, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Removal of maintenance banners
I have removed the current set of maintenance banners. My rationale is that there is sufficient clarity now inthis revision. In addition, the talk page notes the connectedness of AspieNo1, so the COI banner is no longer required in the article per se.

This does not mean that maintenance banners should not be reintroduced if the standard falls back, nor that efforts to improve the article should stop. It means simply that we have reached a sufficient base level. Fiddle  Faddle  13:15, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Found reference material report from scanning through Google.ie search "Damon Wise" in Ireland IRECON Star Trek
Google.ie search context Ireland IRECON Star Trek and see if anything involving Damon (or otherwise relevant showed

"Irish and European Membership Handbook Version 2.01" and "IRECON 5 Press release" (02-04-95 - 2 April 1995), referenced on alt.startrek.klingon › DMW: GOWRON: IRECON 5 Star Trek Conference

|sort:relevance/de.rec.sf.startrek/twcBA3MgPpI/UltE_k7ZjpUJde.rec.sf.startrek › DMW: AUTINET BBS Project for Irish Society for Autism 1 post by 1 author 	Peter Wise 	02/04/1995

Review of Irecon 5 by Peter David, part 1 Review of Irecon 5 by Peter David

Love, Life and Autism documentary series facebook group (closed)

OnLine shop catalogue with IRECON 4 Guide naming Damon and giving ISBN / EAN for same

Australian link for same

Google Books Ireland reference for same

Another OnLine sale site referencing same

And another

Google Books reference of same (without name)

Another listing of same

Another giving Damon Wise and Anny Wise as authours

Another one listing just Damon

similar one

And another

... Thus ends the cross referencing of Google.ie search on keywords "Damon Wise" Ireland IRECON Star Trek

Found again that OnLine reference on Damon and Naturalisation having lost Irish passport rights are instatement of his Belgian Nationality rights as a result; think have seen images of letters on same in his photographs somewhere so much content in his archives ...

If anything useful please reference, link or note - will be working on search on Damon Wise in news media OnLine ... post 1986 (see what I/or externally we can still find that gives him by-line in his real name, or variation and under any of his nom de Plume (literary aliases)) — Precedingunsigned comment added by AspieNo1 (talk •contribs) 01:45, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Wow, what a lot of hard work. Well done.
 * There is a problem in using these under our rules, I'm afraid. That is very disappointing to hear, so let me try to explain. Would you do me the favour of reading about reliable sources. That is the key problem. Most of these are not reliable sources. In fact I'm not sure that any are. We are allowed by the rules to use a very few primary sources where this is the only way of verifying a fact we wish to put into an article, but it is strongly discouraged. If you have any questions after reading it please ask them here.
 * My advice, at present, is to step back and watch what happens to the article at the end of the deletion discussion without doing any more hard work to it. So far it looks to me as if it will be kept. Even if it is not kept all is not lost, because we can ask the admin who closes the discussion to put the article in your user space so you and others can carry on improving it. Fiddle   Faddle  09:32, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

This was a limited search on Irecon, Ireland and Star Trek Conference - seeing as Damon was also founder of national Star Trek clubs before he moved via charity work into autism and disability - he has asked for direct reference of his Books in print ISBN Numbers as writer, editor and publisher - while the company administering has changed, with secondary link on just one of the Publications in online catalogues and shops (repeatedly above), it should be easy. I have also assisted him in locating the Irish Newspapers archive to see any reference or by-line (where credited in his real name). It may actually link better if we link in Media content about ICAAN protest, and other significant events. Been looking through his facebook and are some recordings and group shots with him in protests. Don't know if we can get permission to share them or through Wikipedia ... a lot of Asperger's, Autism and Disability content is closed, private and not readily available or attributable, I am afraid. — Precedingunsigned comment added by AspieNo1 (talk •contribs) 09:42, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * In addition to hi-def pictures being commissioned with Rights to use, providing source and permissions stated of colour pictures and articles (including those already quoted), permission has been confirmed to Commons by Angels Studios of permissions to all images on Damon and Karen (e.g. those released on http://www.aspiesandauties.org/Federation-Trust.ORG/DamonMatthewWise/gallery.html). The previous searches from Irish News Archives resulted in permissions to use the following articles, with Kind permission of The National Library of Ireland, and thus images were as a result uploaded :-  AspieNo1 (talk) 17:57, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

IT 04/02/2011 `It's not a crime for a disabled person to have a child' (Victoria White, The Irish Times February 4th 2011, Page 19 (widely referenced: https://www.google.ie/#q=%22It%27s+not+a+crime+for+a+disabled+person+to+have+a+child%22) http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091312.JPG and http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091313.JPG

© 2010 Photo Original Photo Courtesy of Liam Burke/Press 22 and 2011 Article Victoria White/Irish Times and reproduction and editing: Damon Matthew Wise 2011-2013 Scanned copy of feature article on Aspiesand Auties.org: are given with kind permission of The National Library, Kildare Street and edited and cleaned up by Damon Matthew Wise http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091312.JPG and http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091313.JPG Reported and widely referenced: https://www.google.ie/#q=%22It%27s+not+a+crime+for+a+disabled+person+to+have+a+child%22

IS: 24/02/2011 Page 24, Left and Centre, The Irish Sun, Aoife Bannon (Photographs and location RTE after make-up and before Four Live interviews). Permission checked and given with attribution (Standard Irish Creative Commons License which includes attribution of source/origin/permissions) in a message to Damon quoted below: AspieNo1 (talk) 10:33, 29 September 2013 (UTC) ... " Hi Damon. That's fine as long as the Irish Sun is credited. Thanks a mill, Aoife " AspieNo1 (talk) 10:31, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091314.JPG and www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091315.JPG also Four Live Interview http://www.rte.ie/tv/fourlive/2011/0222/autism098.html The Irish Sun Thursday, February 24, 2011, Page 24, left, and Centre page ...

CLAN'S BATTLE AGAINST PREJUDICE By AOIFE BANNON

Picture 1 (top): TAKE FIVE ... the Wises are one of the few families who are all diagnosed autistic Caption between photos: `We might have autism but we are like every other family' Picture 2 (bottom left) and Picture 3 (bottom right): HOME PRIDE ... Damon and Karen tell kids to revel in difference http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091314.JPG

1) "Founder Shannon Branch Earthwatch": Sunday, October 14, 2007 Oct 12, 1991 | #1 - Score 100 | Words: 176 This issue is for registered users Limerick Leader 1905-2004* Saturday, October 12, 1991 Page: 7 Section: None http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091301&2.jpg

2) "Health Out of this world" Oct 14, 2007 | #2 - Score 78 | Words: 495 This issue is for registered users Sunday Independent 1906-current* Sunday, October 14, 2007 Page: 102 Section: Front Page

Damon Wise, photo by Joy Orpen, in Sunday Independent Life Magazine 14 October 2007, Out of this world article, Pages 42 & 43 (Digitised, touched up and edited by Damon Wise); taken at Portlaoise station ...

http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091309(Col).JPG and http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091309.JPG and http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091310.JPG and http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091311.JPG

Vandals force couple to exhume body by Bernie English, Top Page 1 Limerick Post 18th May 2013. http://www.limerickpost.ie/digital/2013/2013-05-18/

3) "Star Trek Fans Kling on for Big Trek" HEALTH OUT OF THIS WORLD Sep 05, 1994 | #3 - Score 63 | Words: 872 This issue is for registered users Irish Press 1931-1995 Monday, September 05, 1994 Page: 3 Section: None http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091316.JPG and http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091317.JPG

4) Trekkies may hold star club conclave Oct 09, 1996 | #4 - Score 20 | Words: 241 This issue is for registered users Limerick Leader 1905-2004* Wednesday, October 09, 1996 Page: 10 Section: None http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091304.JPG

5) "Trekkies to Meet (boldly) tuesdays" Sep 16, 1996 | #5 - Score 20 | Words: 595 This issue is for registered users Limerick Leader 1905-2004* Monday, September 16, 1996 Page: 11 Section: None http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091305.JPG and http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091306.JPG OR: http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091305&6.JPG

6) "A Life Lost Nov 06, 1993 | #6 - Score 16 | Words: 355 This issue is for registered users Donegal News 1901-current* Saturday, November 06, 1993 Page: 11 Section: None http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091318.JPG

7) "Star Trek Convention to Beam Into Galway" Mar 24, 1995 | #7 - Score 5 | Words: 424 This issue is for registered users City Tribune 1984-current Friday, March 24, 1995 Page: 16 Section: None http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091319.JPG

8) "Trekkies Beam in For Galway Conference" Sep 12, 1995 | #8 - Score 5 | Words: 582 This issue is for registered users Connacht Sentinel 1927-current Tuesday, September 12, 1995 Page: 7 Section: None http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091308.JPG

9) Aug 28, 1994 | #9 - Score 4 | Words: 1356 This issue is for registered users "Enterprising bride'n'groom" (Lise Hand, Social correspondent) Sunday Independent 1906-current* Sunday, August 28, 1994 Page: 56 Section: None http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091307.JPG

10) Oct 04, 1996 | #10 - Score 2 | Words: 1721 This issue is for registered users Munster Express 1908-current* Friday, October 04, 1996 Page: 5 Section: None http://www.aspiesandauties.org/images/19091303.JPG
 * The National Library of Ireland, providing source and permissions are stated, in a creative commons/fair use licence with attributed source and permission (NLI is THE Copyright authority for Ireland for all published content).
 * Liam Burke of Press 22 has also given written permission for their photos Press 22 freely for use online in respect of Charity work " You can use them free of charge for charitable purposes only.  (No financial gain)"

New article applied for permissions from The National Library: Page 6 Irish Daily Mail, Wednesday, September 29, 2010 (Bottom Right 2 columns) : - "THE WISE'S STORY (Page 6, Irish Daily Mail, Wednesday September 29, 2010) Article: Petrina Vousden/Photo: Press 22 " Asking permission to quote /use at the moment ... AspieNo1 (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Did somebody remove references to categories involving where he was from and national identity
Please note that Belgian Flemish citizen - he lived in Belgium for 13 years (in Hasselt (shown in first picture on article), Mechelen and Antwerp) - where his mother was from; was born in Brighton. His Bio and Who's Who profile gives a lot of history, not wholly relevant to this article, which is mainly about Autism and Disability His recent reinstatement of Belgian Flemish citizenship was following written confirmation that he was no longer naturalised for passport (reported by Tipperary Star and Tipp FM Radio) after they left him outside for hours in freezing fog and had to be rescued by Gardai. H also briefly mentioned here:

Damon and Naturalisation

Some content also exists in his LinkdIn and Facebook (again not completely neutral) referencing voluntary work and publications and his alternate names used. — Preceding unsignedcomment added by AspieNo1 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

British and Belgian Nationality status still missing; he says he's uncomfortable being listed as Irish when cannot get Irish passport ... as is not entirely accurate
Re: nationality = Irish (vote only); British by birth and Belgian Flemish (passport 22nd March 2013, retrospectively to 1st January 1985) ... do you need birth and naturalisation certificates on file ( have seen them from his family genealogy work) ... problem about scanned of official documents is getting permissions past http://commons.wikimedia.org- any suggestions ... he has a copy of his emergency Belgian (Flemish) Passport issued in Brussels (as his new passport hadn't arrived - will see if can find his letter failing to find proof of his 1993 naturalisation still of file (was reported that all original Documents were ordered to Minister of Justice John O'Donaghue - however he commented that Disability and Equality Section asked him for permissions to take photocopies of same (as a result of court appearance in Lonergan Case on 11th March 1999 in the High Court as Advocate for people with Disabilities (as per his bio) ... His facebook has his Temporary Belgian Passport, while the 30th anniversary of his primaryschool has full and temporary passport and Belgian ID (with National Security, etc blacked out) - but need a little help with translation) ... there are a copy of his Irish Driving License as a Disabled Driver and British Passport on his ID file (have seen, but did not pull it up), and scan of letters revealing his naturalisation is no longer on record also in his Biographical record ... if uploading any of these, or his Bio or CV will be useful (oh yes, we're looking over disability sites and are finding some stuff, will report as soon as link and images come in to me ... or hang around, maybe other wikipedian admins may introduce them ... still haven't got pictures released by wikimedia (thy have my and everyone else running through hoops, even for his personal photos ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by AspieNo1 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

UPDATE: He has now asked the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration service for rights/permission to supply the correspondence; the Belgian embassy same (for print out of his State-registration as a Belgian (Flemish) Citizen, and Donegal County Council and Irish National Library to verify the State Gazette entry for his original naturalisation notice and the circular by Justice Minister of John O'Donaghue. If necessary he will apply for court records of the Lonergan case, which prompted JO'D to request all documentation.

If you require proof that on the basis of Citizenship rights it should now read Belgian / British and Irish (vote only). Thus both viewpoints as to his conflicting position on the basis of notification and removal of documentation thus not able to get Irish passport can be be balanced represented and ought not upset anyone from being not fully correct. On the basis of hs bio - residence shows GB: 1969-1975: Patcham, West Sussex, near Brighton and Secondary Residence in Brighton, East Sussex at College 1988-1990 (1)) (5 years 8 months+2 years student); Belgium / Flanders 1975-1985 (Hasselt, Province of Limburg, and Mechelen, Province of Antwerp) and 1987-1990 (Mechelen and Antwerp, both province of Antwerp, primary (1)) over 13 years; Ireland (including NI: 1985-1987 (Limavady and secondary address with father in Limerick), and 1990-current  Shannon, Dublin, Letterkenny, Co. Donegal) and Shannon Town, Co. Clare) ... he is thus identified with each of those named places (for Irish was 5 years residence on the 28th June 1993, including time in excess of 2 years in the 80's with family residence on both sides of the NI/ROI border) ... giving over 25 years on the island of Ireland.

His archives can document each of these locations, thanks to having had to prove his residences for Gardai Vetting (Police background check for safety of working with people with Disabilities and children, which requires check at every address lived at), and documentation in his Belgian Identity / State Security records.

Anything needed can be given here and only if necessary and on-topic or to explain diverse opinions in order to be balanced given. Editors should not assume or edit out content because it is to complex - this means the article becomes vague, indifferent to fact and becomes misleading and unsupportable. It should not seek to ignore relevant and appropriate provable fact by exceeding in easily challenged omissions.

Any ideas from the comrades - the last thing we want to do is make the article divisive and distressing that any significant association in his multi-national, multi-lingual and multi-location life feels aggrieved. Apart from that 1 week in his bio, when he was sent back to nursery school, he did not go to school in the English language until 1 month before his 16th birthday ... all of his primary and middle education was in Belgium (Flemish), as is his original (pre-diagnosis) cultural ethnic identity.

Taking just Irish, which is at best partially incorrect an misleading is unacceptable to him as it does not show his background and sense of heritage. He has no Irish parents, grandparents, or great-grandparents - simply not who he was or where he came from ... just where he is now. AspieNo1 (talk) 21:47, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * A citation in reliable sources is required for the nationality information, please. With that it is easy. Please don ot, ever, post scanned identity documents online, though. Apart from it being a very bad idea they are not considered valid sources. Fiddle   Faddle  22:44, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Update 28/08/2013 CCE 09:00 BST (UST-1)

 * Good Point - wish I had thought of that :) - Yes - one reason despite having the clearance and the contents has already been used in cyberspace and some is authourised such content has not been sought to be uploaded through commons.wikipedia despite being referred to and being widely available - so then how to restore and fix where he comes from/lived in associations which were there in the article, Citizen and nationality, and such - who worked on starting this before - who would need to see documentation to avoid them being edited to become unaccurate by their removal? Anybody know the format to start putting them back citizenship, British (born), Belgian (renatursalised) and Nationality as Irish (no longer naturalised for passport).
 * I have tracked the upload and linked the photo (taken from his website and already authourised through wikimedia and the photographer who took it and sold rights to him) on his Who's Who VIP Profile as Secretary/CEO of the National Board and Directors of NCPD - however, access to his bio, and details are all restricted by password to Who's Who members who are profile holders. Places he is associated above ought not to be randomly become misrepresented to a place he lived for a year or two while at College over places he was born in, grew up or lived for several years or decades?
 * Am I reading this wrong - isn't this about fair, accuracte, and properly sources and balanced perception rather then slanting the contents away from truth to a disassociation from reality? Have located a scrapbook of articles from the 80's and archives also contain scores of his published works - he has applied to get ISBN confirmed for all past publications in the 90's through the agencies that took over from Whittakers Books In Print, when he wrote, edited, published and distributed them back then .... will update as sourced and citable content gets released.
 * Irish Star Trek Legacy is proving a minefield (and to be quite honestly do not have time to unpick this) - as currently contains over 100 MB of content - mostly images in old format; other old websites he had in the 90's also do not show up in search engines as do not show tags of contents - is mostly links and images - format of these html is archaic and no longer used and thus difficult to view.
 * Am looking for any web archive/backup tool which existed to look up old, or no longer existing websites, or deleted content and earlier versions of websites in the 90's which referenced or contained mention of Damon and his work which are no longer online - any hints or suggestions will be appreciated - his e-mails from the 90's have in his signature area details of such content at the time - but proving difficult to find.
 * His digital archives from 80's and 90's contain formats of files in text, windows write, pre windows 95 and DOS Word Documents and Wordstar formats are common, which are all full of accented and special characters - the format is not readily recognised by post Word for windows 6/95 format, etc. Any hints to convert and read older format content from DOS, OS2/WARP and Windows 2 - 3.3 Workgroups computers would be appreciated.  These can if read and referenced give historical basis or help to locate references and citations.
 * Have located 55 of 56 articles in respect of his work in the 80's on Band Aid Trust, Sport Aid and Stamp Aid in 1985-7 - no sign of digital archives of same from news media as yet - he has applied to Irish Newspapers OnLine for some content - but that would be selective works relevant to the article on Autism Disability charity and voluntary work. Original letters and correspondance on Sport Aid '88 Belgian National Organising Committee (which shows his secondment by Bob Geldof to Belgian Special Olympics Committee) in digital archive similarly difficult to read, but show details of leads.  Minutes of meetings and such also difficult to read ... much is not relevant to the article.

Bobherry on blocking of corrective cross-referencing and asserting proper historical ad documented pre-1999 context felt not constructive of language and history of terms Aspies and Mundanes, et al
AspieNo1 (talk) 23:37, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. At least one of your recent edits, such as the edit you made to Asperger syndrome, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at the welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make some test edits, please use the sandbox for that. Thank you.  Bob herry  talk  21:28, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Somebody kept on reverting repeatedly and attempting to protect a historical untruth - despite discussion in talk about Google search of over 2000 (was over 3,400 uses of Aspies) terms such as Aspies and Mundanes recorded use of Terms Aspies still being found years before that reference to a late 1999 book - some 6 years after documented usage - despite the majority of such usages being in closed or secret groups used by Aspies.

Works done have been blocked - as images of historical significance by photographer and rights holder have been given run around with threat of delete and such when copyrights in Irish, European and International law DO NOT RECOGNISE U.S.A. ATTEMPTS AT AVOIDING THEIR LEGAL RESPONSIBILITIES. Documents and correspondence by photographer and the subject have all been about circumvention of international law, and would create illegal use of copyright were this to operate in Ireland. It would be wholly criminal for a photographer to be commissioned to produce photos for distribution without rights as that would be a breach of copyright law, as would be using rights and then seeking to ignore them. ... (reduced rant) AspieNo1 (talk) 23:16, 29 August 2013 (UTC) Diane, myself and Damon have been running around getting nowhere as it seems that Commons / wikimedia's interpretation and application of US law is attempting to get us to breach Irish, European and International law, where no such licensing exists of personal photographic images. AspieNo1 (talk) 23:17, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Have moved this discussion down as was not applicable to the paragraph in which it was placed.

Pictures
Hi, if you are still available I can talk to another user here who might be of help. In the mean time please read our Image use policy and how to be Civil. As far as legal threats go, users can get blocked from editing if it will continue. For reference read No legal threats section, where it explains whom to turn to if you are in dispute with someone or with a system. I for one, understand your frustration though! :(--Mishae (talk) 01:53, 30 August 2013 (UTC) - Relaying discussion by people OFF-WIKI about the inability on-wiki to handle things legally are NOT threats by me. They are also not threats, just discussions by the principal, and human rights groups as they create or require criminal behaviour to comply with the process. AspieNo1 (talk) 06:48, 30 August 2013 (UTC) I have relayed and posted all discussions I have been given on same, as commons wikimedia are NOT updating consent form or any documentation (only replacing @ signs and editing with (at) instead. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AspieNo1 AspieNo1 (talk) 06:52, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

... (reduced rant)

When Damon contacted Diane for photoshot for publicity and election material with rights, little did she realise (read her messages in my talk on the images there) she would be subjected to a probe which if required would criminalise all photographic rights agreements outside U.S.A. If this continues, like this the removal of and deletion of pictures will require them to clear their name of copyright fraud, as it raises question that Irish, European and International law and Wiki are incompatible.

Damon and Karen and Damon maintain absolutely the right of photographs commissioned for reproductions given to the subject bestows the subject right to Allow attribution and identification, and thus the subject a rights-holder is entitled to their transfer image and release it for appropriate use freely over any social media, news and image hosting site (see complaints he made in his 9 month battle to 1) affirm personal photographic rights be used on his profile picture 2) proof of identity to confirm such use in the two cases of Damon Matthew Wise V Facebook). ... (reduced rant) AspieNo1 (talk) 06:48, 30 August 2013 (UTC) AspieNo1 (talk) 06:52, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


 * AspieNo1, there are rules, lots of rules, which you must not break. One of these is to make no legal threats. Your words "Relaying discussion by people OFF-WIKI about the inability on-wiki to handle things legally are NOT threats by me. They are also not threats (yet)_," Are in breach of this rule because they say "There will be a legal threat soon". The word "yet" is the key word here. It means "If I do not get my way I will make a threat." That is a threat. Remove the word "yet" and do it soon, or someone MAY block you from editing. Admins here have no need to understand that you communicate in unusual ways, they take things for what they are.
 * Another rule is about copyright. Stop speaking about "Clear their name" and "Copyright fraud." No-one has been accused of anything. Copyright EXISTS for all items in the world written or created by a person. To use them in a public site like this they must be LICENCED for use. There is no automatic licencing. That licencing happens in the commercial agreement for use of a PR picture. The photographer ALWAYS owns the copyright, and licences the person who commissions the picture to use it in certain ways. As an example, if I take your photograph and give you copy of the picture, I have NOT licenced you to use it on Wikipedia. I own the copyright and have not given any permissions to use it anywhere. If you want to use my picture of you (an example) on WIkipedia, you must ask me, and I may decide to allow it or not to allow it.
 * Commons is NOT Wikipedia. They are different. Any discussions about policies on Commons must be kept to Commons. Commons has even tighter rules than Wikipedia. They will not accept any pictures that are not freely licenced. Wikipedia will accept SOME types. But for both Commons and WIkipedia, there is the OTRS system for proving copyright. USE THAT SYSTEM. No other method works. No matter how many talk page messages you post, none of them will work. Only the OTRS system works.
 * Please stop complaining all the time. This is not a rule, but it is a matter of politeness. It is also a matter of good sense. All that happens with your huge walls of text that complain about this or that or the other is that you seriously annoy people. That means that even the people who have helped you in the past are very likely to stop helping you. You need their help, so ask yourself, Is it a good idea to annoy them and to make them want to stop helping? No-one reads your huge walls of text anyway. WP:TLDR applies here. Read it. Fiddle   Faddle  08:10, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

-- When I have clearly pointed out the issue of them and the copyright legality is not my issue, but as I uploaded the content with permission (on wikimedia), so I am the messenger, apparently getting shot proverbially speaking for so doing - so why do you hang on the word "yet" - I have stated I AM NOT, nor am involved in any such discussion of seeking legal protection by them (in which I was not involved, but was referenced in their messages) ... In the real world (copyright outside U.S.A., if a photographer is commissioned for taking a photograph for use and is paid for the rights by the person, they hold the rights as they are sold (contract for distribution in a commission of photographic rights infers transfer of rights per se... (reduced rant)  Yes- this is a matter for commons.Wikimedia and is being discussed here as I am waiting for material - if there is another way to bring in image content in Wikipedia, appreciate hearing more. Thanks AspieNo1 (talk) 08:46, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Let me put this very simply:
 * Stop posting the great walls of text. We do not read them.
 * Use the OTRS system to prove that the images are licenced for use here.
 * Be patient. The system takes a while. It is run by volunteers.
 * Messenger or not, it was a threat and I thank you for removing it.
 * LIfe is simple here. Do not make it complicated, please. Fiddle   Faddle  08:50, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

--- Just past on - Damon asking wikimedia (I passed on answers@wikimedia.org) for contact with their representative in Ireland - it appears he still has Liaison status for Fandom on the island of Ireland copyright area with INFACT (The Irish National Federation Against Copyright Theft) ... see what comes of it. You have a link for OTRS page for here? Thanks again. AspieNo1 (talk) 09:00, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


 * OTRS Fiddle   Faddle  09:08, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Looked through the system - not anything obvious about alternative system for images that I can see - however found a few things which fall into Damon's legal expertise areas, like on Languages, Disability, Equality and Copyright and such once Diane and he calm down ... meanwhile pruned back content somewhat. Hopefully we can get some European work done separately from US wiki which covers diverse traditions and understands co-operative AspieNo1 (talk) 13:00, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


 * OTRS is not an alternative system. It is the only system for licencing copyright items on Wikipedia. If you need help use helpme on this page, and ask for the help you need. Fiddle   Faddle  15:09, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


 * :: LOL - Make it so "   " Please can you help advise me and others on wikipedia system on how to use pictures, which does not depend on problems with licensing of non-USA copyright derivations on commons.wikimedia - is there is system to link to image content directly in other websites, for example on a given subject directly refer to the relevant images, without having a song and dance of digging up bodies and asking them if they give permissions which they freely bequeathed to the state; or require photographers commissioned to take photos for distribution to sign a license agreement in blood that they are not criminals for following Irish, European or International Law ... when rights were already transferred through relevant bodies (and here meaning organisations and not talking of the dead photographers like Colman Doyle) ... AspieNo1 (talk) 18:09, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Sandbox Articles:
1) Article: Damon Matthew Wise 2)  Article: Talk:Aspies 3) ICAAN Article reserved space (Bottom)

All pictures are subject to Irish Creative Commons License, with rights and origin attributed. AspieNo1 (talk) 21:02, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:53, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Damon Matthew Wise article
Hi AspiesNo1, I'm Baffle gab1978 (talk) and I help out at at the Guild of Copy Editors. Your mentor Fiddle Faddle asked us here to edit the recently-deleted article Damon Matthew Wise. After some discussion we decided that I would copy your draft into his userspace and edit it there, to make it more acceptable to Wikipedia. I've done the editing work which you can find User:Timtrent/Damon Matthew Wise (example). This is an example of how the finished article might look after a text tidy-up; I stress that this is not currently 'live' on Wikipedia but remains a userspace draft. Please feel free to do more work on the article; sadly I couldn't help find more sources to show Mr. Wise's notability although I tried; that's something you'll need to improve before it can be returned to the encyclopedia without being deleted again.

If you wish to ask me anything on my talk page please feel free to contact me. Good luck with the article. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:22, 12 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Can we please get back to reality? Damon Matthew Wise is something of a Walter Mitty. In real life people in disability circles tend avoid him wherever possible. All these nonsense pages and the constant attempts to reinstate them just misrepresent and make little of Aspies and High Function Autistics in Ireland. We all deserve better than being co-opted as vehicles for a fantasist. 213.233.148.13 (talk) 06:23, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * LOL I can appreciate your viewpoint from a sense of irony - the character Walter Mitty did nothing and lived in a world of make-belief: considering the work an recognition he had for the work in the 90's, especially, we get the tallest poppy angle a lot - often people belittle or seek to avoid what he has done to highlight self and peer advocacy. Never had fantasy suggested in relation to Asperger's or anyone in the spectrum; different priority and portrayal of events and over-analysing, yes - maintaining a fantasy - i.e. events not based in fact is thus a lie that is emotionally impossible.  Somewhat of an oxymoron to equate fantasy (untruth with anyone with Asperger's who has been active) ... would love to see who you were and share with you some of the archives to show that his voluntary work is definitely not some fantasy life: a search on his published work from the 90's show them applied around the world. FYI:  HFA in this context ought be spelled as High Functional Autistic. The use of his work helps to raise public awareness and brings Aspies and Auties language, culture and viewpoints from closed forums and groups like AUTINET into the mainstream.  Never had such a good laugh - appreciated, mate!¬ AspieNo1 (talk) 07:31, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I raised it with them: Damon and Karen had a laugh too: heard the following: heard Karen in the background suggested reporting the Walter Mitty statement as offensive.  Damon (talking) asked why.  Karen laughed and added because you have no imagination! AspieNo1 (talk)
 * I don't think a co-opting (NB an activity singularly devoid of imagination by it's nature) other people's work around the globe as his own (exclusively self published online) is quite the same thing as notable work let alone "self and peer advocacy". Also, even the most cursory check on google will demonstrate that there is nothing whatsoever "emotionally impossible" about any autistic lying, depending entirely on the calibration of their moral compass. This foolishness is blatant, transparent and just making all adult autistics in Ireland look like complete idiots by association. I really resent that, and ask that all of you desist immediately. 213.233.148.13 (talk) 00:37, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the wikipedia principal is to link in articles and verified reference material still on-line, and printed references in articles being worked on back to Damon, as with any material reference and information generally need some basis in verifiable fact (news articles, reporting of his work and achievements in reliable source - which excludes a fantasy reality which by definition does not really exist) - to corroborate his work from other sources with citations, and references to back them up; not co-opt other peoples work.  In theory, yes, if you attempt to change their "moral compass"; and yes even a fool will know that diet and medical reaction could remove programming of anyone.  By definition as they question things around them and annoy others using these techniques, it is unlikely to succeed.  Many a program have reported to have tried to brainwash Aspies and Savants by mixtures of patriotism, brainwashing and hypnosis, and proven less then successful - for a mix of perceived reasons - likely involving the perception of alteration of the way they work and observe things.  I find the study of their neurology and techniques and the how and why to use the vernacular "fascinating" - that's why I volunteer - their idea and work for society has inspired us. AspieNo1 (talk) 08:19, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

e-mail request

 * Administrator help required:
 * All users using the network and myself appear to now be blocked for adding talk items about Aspies and Auties and its origin (see the likes of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Aspies and contents on websites like http://ICAAN.ie http://www/AspiesandAuties.ORG)
 * I have asked for help from other editors here, and nobody appears to be able to do anything as I do not have a talk page to raise the issue ...
 * Can you please open my talk page and insert:
 * comment by e-mail from User:AspieNo1


 * I can’t figure out what you are trying to accomplish. Wiktionary already has articles for wikt:aspie and wikt:autie. Your comment on the discussion page was rambling, confusing, and unfocused. I had the impression that you wanted to create an encyclopedic article there. A dictionary is not an encyclopedia. —Stephen (talk) 01:47, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * But not about the Community of Aspies and Auties - language and groups :- i.e. origin of the language. Put into Talk pages a number of definitions and discussions both historically and based on diverse dictionary definitions for discussion.  Thus was neither gibberish, nor rambling - but a talk discussion on Aspies ad Auties Culture and linguistic use of the original words. A, blocked there from having a talk page to be able even show what submissions made were or ask for help ... AspieNo1 (talk) 05:38, 22 September 2013 (UTC)


 * AspieNo1, sometimes your thoughts tumble out into your words and can be hard for others to get hold of. Please would you do Stephen the kindness of being both very specific and saying what you want to say in the simplest manner that you can?. I suggest you tell him what the problem is very clearly, and then ask for the solution very clearly. But please keep it short and simple. He is not a child, but try to explain it as if you were talking to a 10 year old child. That may help you to think at a more neurotypical speed. Fiddle   Faddle  08:50, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Writing was copying relevant content in talk pages Aspies and Auties (note Capital A and s at end, i.e. about the social and community of groups), so was talking Aspies and Auties not fictional "groups of a community one" "aspie" or "autie" - copying discussions and definitions and reporting of expressions from 1993-1999 reference and dictionary definitions in talk - to be looked at - as appears to be missing both entomology and dictionary definitions in respect of culture and language used by Aspies.

Wikitonary Talk:Aspies discussion (not the dictionary itself) was being created with into on its use, and then definition. Wikitonary Talk:Auties was having content and discussion being made - started intro (also below) and was in process of copying definitions and dictionary reference to the plural use in reference to Aspies and Auties Community and Language when blocked from creating own talk page and ask for help.

=== Aspies

A cultural association as a group noun, as abstract, created by Damon Matthew Wise and first recorded use in RTE studio, Father Matthew Street, Cork, Ireland by Damon Matthew Wise and at IRECON 3, Cork in the beginning of September 1993 ("father of the Aspies movement") The term was created to refer to "a culture and social group of persons with Asperger's syndrome (or since 2003 "Asperger's Disorder") High Functional Autism, Non-verbal Learning difficulty/disability, Tourettes, PDD-NOS and other similar diagnosis of an autistic spectrum disorder, or who self identify by skill, interest, ability, co-morbidities and co-existent disorders as belong to the community."

Dictionary definitions of the term, now over 20 years old in common usage include;

"Persons belonging to community with Asperger's Disorder HFA and related disorders"

"Social group of People with diagnosis or identify themselves with Asperger's syndrome, Asperger's Disorder, High Functional autism or related diagnosis or symptoms associated with an Autistic spectrum disorder"

My favourite is short and sweet: - "Term used by social group associated with Asperger's and related diagnosis and labels (pl)".

As Aspies is taken to refer to a class of people, and thus a group noun, was written with a Capital A and an "s" at the end. The concept of one person who is not a group is an oxymoron and somewhat of a misnomer.

Modern corruptions include a single "aspie" or "Aspy"; "Shadow Aspeys" or "Aspie by proxy", used in reports when psychiatrist fails to deal with multidisciplinary genetic history and believes such like children or siblings exhibit autistic like symptoms acquired including the mobility, genetic, sensory, neurological traits associated cannot exist and thus occur "by socialisation and environmental circumstances" of siblings, parents in a family (see Baron Münchhausen syndrome by Proxy); AsPys - not a known use known.

=== Auties

Auties is another term coined by Damon Matthew Wise e.g. - http://www.AspiesandAuties.org )- is capitalised  and with an s at the end is referring to a group of people in the autistic spectrum whose diagnosis and traits more resembles classic autism, rather then Aspies or Cousins - First recorded use 1995 in Language and terms of Aspie Culture, Damon Matthew Wise AspieNo1 (talk) 05:38, 22 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Wiktionary has a strict structure. Aspies is not a proper noun and should not be capitalized (unless it is the name of a group, in which case it is not dictionary material). Also, plural forms such as aspies only link back to the singular, and the definition and other info are constrained to the singular, unless there is a different meaning in the plural that is lacking in the singular.
 * It is still very hard for me to follow you. I don’t know what you are trying to accomplish. Are you wanting to have an entry for "Aspies and Auties", which is the name of an organization? We don’t allow entries of that nature...that’s an encyclopedic topic, not a word that one would find in a dictionary. —Stephen (talk) 07:50, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * We are not talking abut dictionary entries per se, but the discussion (Talk pages were) the discussions were being placed on terms Aspies (and Auties)- the terms which were created as a single coined world - not to be adapted - as group nouns and thus deliberate capitalised as a significant group of people and put (probably wrongly an s to show Tribal, or cultural distinctivness and plural), irrespective of any one language and written with Capital and and a in original use, with thousands of such uses On-Line in countries all around the world.  They are ALWAYS capitalised and with a s at the end - without the word is not the original word imparting a community and culture of more then one person.  Simply that.  It is impossible to have a social movement or culture of 1 person.  This is because they usually think of society and group - even by working with them as a volunteer on projects over the years I am finding it difficult to use I or we, because self is just not part of the way they think.

Aspies and Auties CANNOT be a singular person - It ALWAYS refers to the community of people with Asperger's, etc from its own cultural and language base - it does NOT have to follow English language rules as is NOT for just English users, as it is not based on any specific use. They are internationally recognised word, across geographic areas and languages - used for self-identifying traits, beliefs, and methodology of working as part of a group of similar peoples.

Part of the neurology is different communication and sensory behaviour - this is why main-streaming awareness, information and especially their own language uses are so important - people are talking about them or for them, but not with them about them communicating for them - the movement is having Aspies represent themselves and others within the spectrum who are unable to or feel they need support to represent themselves - the language and cultural expression of their identity with bridges (I guess like me) between their isolated world within their community and the outside.

I am (currently accessing the archives and information while, as volunteer) working as part of a world-wide team of People supporting Asperger's Awareness (in ICAAN), in main-streaming On-Line content from private, closed and no longer available resources going over 20 years - archiving (copying texts, reports, documents and old websites onto such sites as AspiesandAuties.ORG off-wiki all such content) and then cross-linking (wiki-fying) content across multiple On-Line resources- as a result cross-linking content from asperger's and autism groups, archives, and old websites and backing them up, and locating and copying and pasting content for main-streaming is what I am about.

I do not have a dx of Asperger's or an ASD, but note certain similarity and had some social skills issues in school - and am a volunteer (what they call "cousin"). AspieNo1 (talk) 08:42, 22 September 2013 (UTC) clean-up edits AspieNo1 (talk) 08:46, 22 September 2013 (UTC) AspieNo1 (talk) 08:47, 22 September 2013 (UTC) AspieNo1 (talk) 08:49, 22 September 2013 (UTC) AspieNo1 (talk) 09:00, 22 September 2013 (UTC)


 * It sounds like you are talking about a proper noun "Aspies and Auties", being an organization and/or community. That would not meet our criteria for inclusion. It might be a candidate for an encyclopedia article here in Wikipedia, but we would not list it in the dictionary. As I said, we already have wikt:aspie and wikt:autie, as well as their plural forms (which are simply links back to the singulars). On the other hand, if you just mean "aspies and auties", referring to the people who are either an aspie or an autie, that is what we call the "summation of its parts", and Wiktionary does not allow terms such as that. As the sum of its parts, "aspies and auties" is just the plural of wikt:aspie and wikt:autie, and the definitions are at wikt:aspie and wikt:autie separately. —Stephen (talk) 14:05, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Anyway you are moving away. I (and by ISP all my colleagues on the main network) am blocked from raising my own talk page and thus contacting any admin on wikitionary for "Gibberish and nonsense" (simply because a person does not understand that they have their own culture, and language for identifying themselves and other) for putting ideas forward NOT in dictionary directly but in talk of what these expressions mean to them - not "an American English theoretical linguistic puritan" or "an academic linguistic historian" - use of words whn they enter dictionary as names of identification and have been designed with an s to show that they are a group and not an individual ought to be respected the way they are used. AspieNo1 (talk) 08:41, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

The terms of aspie and separately autie are not the way they were written - they are by diagnosis or self-identification as a name (thus design to be written with a capital) of any support group, social group, or any kind of group or community of peoples (whether formal or just by friendship of more then one person grouping by similarity - hypothetically Rheties, Polars, NOSsers, Savies, Cannies, etc all could be similar subsets of diagnosed or self-identified persons from the autistic spectrum AspieNo1 (talk) 08:41, 23 September 2013 (UTC) - indeed some such usages already have started to be used following the style), (with the s added to show it is plural, not a single individual), thus ALWAYS Aspies and separately Auties, Cousins, Mundanes, etc - while I acknowledged derivations used that does not change the fundamental that they are names by diagnosis or self-identification to a group of peoples ... I have copied and pasted into _talk_ pages for discussion what the names by diagnosis and self-identification of names "Aspies" and separately "Auties" and term "Cousins" and "Mundanes" mean in countries around the world in Aspies culture and language.
 * NO There cannot be a plural of a singular group designed to be a on the basis of diagnosis or self-identification, which is supposed to be always a plural and never a singular, this would suggest that it was possible to be a community of one with Asperger's/HFA or LFA/Other ASD - we are talking the community as a badge, or identity, by diagnosis or self-identification of a group one to do you have a  singular for a term for human (Homo Sapien), clearly not the identification is a name, which is plural - such name of identification used by people in the spectrum for themselves to identify are Aspies and Auties - "... we are no more just human, then an Bonobo is a Chimpanzee - our ability range and talents and thinking is hundreds of times that of Mundanes, so why should we dumb ourselves down, be violent, aggressive and do all those things we reject in Homo Sapiens and cannot identify or understand about (them)". (Mundanes is a term used by Aspies, and sometimes by Auties (which can write or talk) used ironically instead of Normal, or Neurotypical, referencing that the lack of special ability makes many such not normal to their level of ability - even Auties have typical twice the brain activity of Mundanes.) - there was never an indvidual term for person from a community of Aspies NOR from a communities of Auties.  Aspies is a group and NEVER an individual - Auties is another group and not an individual EVER! - This is a sense of belonging, communication and methodology and thus cannot NEVER EVER be singular - a community of one is an oxymoron.  There is a feeling of belonging to the Aspies community because of behaviour, culture and community and those not in this community because of lack of high-functional autism with other autistic spectrum disorders, somewhat less communicative Auties community are separate affiliations, because they are both in the general autistic spectrum defined as Aspies (Asperger's and High Functional Autism dx or association), Cousins (Similar traits and co-morbidities but neither diagnosed nor symptomatic of an ASD) and Auties (Classic of Low Functional Autism...) ...There are thousands of references to the Community of people called Aspies and somewhat less prolific for Auties and Cousins. AspieNo1 (talk) 08:20, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * "AspiesandAuties.org" is a new web-site designed to take in together websites and references to the subjects of separate Aspies Community [i.e. persons with Asperger's, HFA and related diagnoses or association, etc ]...(see dictionary definitions above) and the Auties community, then equivalent for other Non High-Functional Autism other Autistic Spectrum Disorders. AspieNo1 (talk) 08:20, 23 September 2013 (UTC) AspieNo1 (talk) 08:21, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

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Sorry haven't been on recently. Without any funding since in his case 2009, and PWDI ceased to get funding since 2011, they had problems with internet and computers. I have also been sick last few years, and thus not had access to them and computers to see what is going on (their main computer is off network for repair, as is his Irish laptop); they now have 3 broadband providers in their 2 houses and offices in Ireland and Belgium.

Damon has a PA (on work experience) this week and next, and thus communication is better. He is away a lot in policy groups, and committee, so rarely get access. Being St.Patrick's day (for those Yanks out there, there must say "top of the mornin' to ya!" ), have all a bit of time frww

Articles are present and Damon Matthew Wise on wikipedia, as a significant person in Aspies and Neurodivergent (or Asperger's) movement and as candidate for elected office raising autistic and disability rights; as candidate in electoral office,and noticed all images, quoted in talk have above following permissions for Sharealike been approved for Wikimedia, so can be added to archive or user talk work on article showing reason for interest.

He is currently listed as National Secretary/CEO (unpaid voluntary) of NCPD - the National Council for (the status of) People with Disabilities Company Limited by Guarantee (charitable clg) and NCPD - the National Council for People with Disabilities Company Limited by Guarantee (members clg). Also National Co-ordinator and Advocate of NCPD - Autistic (Advocacy) Council of Ireland (formerly ICAAN, MIAG/C, Autistic Advocacy Fund, and ASPIRE Mid-West) and acting co-ordinator of NCPD Northern Ireland Autistic (Advocacy) Network.

He is a member of European Autistic Network.

He is delegate Observer and sits in Salmon Fisheries Committee and Disability Committee of the European Green Party and represents Fís Nua (New Vision, a Green Left community party, mostly of and run by people with disabilities) of which he is deputy Co-Ordinator, and registered office and Trustee at EGP Council. He is also a member of Scottish Green Party,, Green Party of England and Wales and Groen (Flemish Green party, in Belgium) and frequently called to Green party disability and human rights committees around Europe.

On Clare Public Participation Network he is member and committee of several groups in each electoral college, but been elected to Community and Voluntary electoral college as Chair of Trustees of Federation Trust - Charity Incorporation Agents - which he has helped set up and incorporate community and voluntary groups as charities, only working with non-profit sector. He also elected through Clare PPN for Social Inclusion, nominated and representing NCPD (Charitable clg) on Clare County Council Physical Infrastructure (formerly Environment and Transportation) Strategic Policy Committee.

Have noticed considerable public submissions and listing in ClarePPN.ie.

Also see Google search of ANI-L, Autism-L, Autinet, and Autism@St.Johns shows his sign off "father of the Aspies movement", pre 1999 written version singular aspie, rather then Aspies, Auties and Cousins as Neurotypical community.

Update: following extensive cyberattacks on social media another,it appears Damon Matthew Wise sought to get him deleted, banned, and images removed. As an Autism Advocate he was using Âû (for Âutistic ûnion) after his name, and deed-polled and took a High Court Application to register his deed-poll in the court register name is thus legally corrected as "Damon Matthew Wise Âû".

Cases against facebook, google, twitter, myspace, youTube, Yahoo! had been intended to be taken via their Irish and European offices in Ireland, when documents and proof of identity were sent by registered letters. This extraordinary step was taken to protect his name and image from ban or deletion due (claims he was an imposter, fake person, or impersonating a celebrity were used against all his social media accounts) to such attacks trying to remove his identity and profile. The blocks to reinstate and update his on-line profiles, and eventually Facebook was due in court. The night before legal department notified that a block had been put removing his legal name, and profile images without a court order. Most articles and events thus list him now as :-

" Damon Matthew Wise Âû " (In case Âû cannot be shown is (Capital A Circumflex followed by small u, Circumflex), in case you do not know what a Circumflex is it is a little hat like ^ (raised section above number 6 on many keyboards) or small /\ above characters).

You Tube has copy of Damon Matthew Wise environmental hustings in Eupean elections in Dublin and Love, Life and Autism (which contains condensed interviews with 3 couples, including Karen and Damon, which can be referred to.

Pictures of protestors about lack of full ratification of United Nations Convention of Human Rights for Person with Disability, and optional protocol have Damon in wheelchair holding a board and Karen in green coat behind him looking away. He attended United Nations committee in Geneva and wrote and forwarded cases of human rights abuses as representative from Ireland as National secretary/CEO (voluntary/unpaid) of NCPD group of CLG and A(A)Co. Ireland.

Userfied page and contents can thus link in existing references on wikipedia and images, and update legal name.

Would welcome help on same.

AspieNo1 (talk) 11:38, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

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