User talk:Assault11/Archive 1

Request for mediation
A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Requests for mediation/Goguryeo, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible. --Nlu (talk) 06:08, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Request for Mediation
This message delivered: 08:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

check this out
Talk:Baekdu_Mountain —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yeahsoo (talk • contribs) 21:11, 2 April 2007 (UTC). ==Thanks for the tip--Yeahsoo 22:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Proceeding with the Goguryeo mediation
Hello! : )

This is Daniel Bryant and Armed Blowfish from the Mediation Committee, and as you may be aware, we are mediating the Goguryeo Mediation Committee case.

We are sending you this message as you are one of the involved parties in this dispute. Recently, a private wiki was set up for private mediation by the Mediation Committee. As noted by the Mediation Committee policy on confidentiality, mediation is confidential, and therefore the Committee has decided in this case to hold all mediation discussions in this case on the private wiki. Therefore, we need you to get an account so the case can proceed.

To request an account on the private Mediation Wiki, please click this link to email Armed Blowfish. Please include "Goguryeo" somewhere in the subject, e.g. "Private wiki account request for Goguryeo mediation", to note that this email has highest priority. If you do not have email enabled on your account and are unable to use the mail feature, please let us know on Armed Blowfish's talk page.

Thank you so much,

Daniel Bryant and Armed Blowfish (mail), 04:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Would it be possible for you to do what is outlined above as soon as possible? Many of the parties are itching to begin, and it'd be great if you could get on board too. Cheers,  Daniel Bryant  05:36, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Mediation
Hello! We believe enough participants have signed up for us to begin mediation. However, if you have not yet signed up for the MediationWiki, please do so.

Those of you who have signed up can log in at the following URL using the username and password sent in your account creation email: http://www.southportbeekeepers.co.uk/medcom/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&returnto=Goguryeo:Noticeboard

Be sure to watchlist this page, if you have not done so already, and check it regularly: http://www.southportbeekeepers.co.uk/medcom/index.php/Goguryeo:Noticeboard

There are questions for you to answer here, and you should watchlist this as well: http://www.southportbeekeepers.co.uk/medcom/index.php/Goguryeo:Opening

Thanks!

Armed Blowfish and Daniel Bryant, 07:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Be careful about deletion
Please see the definition of "blanking" in WP:Vandalism. Before deleting a message with NPOV concerns, you need to put NPOV tag for a while. Before deleting a message with reference concerns, you need to put unreferenced tag for a while. Otherwise, it could be a violation of rule. Thanks. With good faith. --Jiejunkong 03:02, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Northeast China
Those two Koreans Goodfriend100 and Cydevil need to be slapped on the mouth.--Naus 21:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I have a more practical solution to the deadlock over the History of Manchuria issue. It will need a major change of mind set and to the template itself. I hope you can support this. Manchuria being an unofficial geopolitical name today, and only relevent for a fixed period at most from 1500 to 1900, is abused by people who do not wish to see NE China by giving it expanded importance in the template, with entries from ancient time to present. The template should be put into its proper place and should only use entries for events from 1500 to 1900 only. NE China on the other hand is the official geopolitical name which has the right to inherit history from ancient time to present time. The History of NE China template should then have entries from ancient time to present time. This is also a fair protocol considering that there is a History of Korea and History of Primurye being. It is time to put Manchuria into its literal perspective (1500-1900), and NE China an independent perspective from that. This way the line will be clearly marked. The scenario which will unfold I believe, will be the adoption of NE China template as the choice for transclution. Please comment on the above. Wiki Pokemon 15:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I have been trying to dig out some information regarding the history of Northeast China this past few days. Technically, I have no problem with the English term per se, although its Chinese geographical equivalent is clearly unacceptable for us Northeasterners.


 * As for your proposal, the time period between the 1600s and onwards refers to the history of the Manchus (ethnicity, not landmass) and because of this, I have no problem with Manchuria being relegated to this time frame. However, I do not believe that RFE (or any variations thereof) belongs on the template for three main reasons: 1) It is redundant since there is already a Template: History of the Priamurye region 2) It is clear that Northeast China inherited the historiography (Bohai, Jin, Liao, Qing, etc.) as well as the legacy of the Mohe-Nuzhen-Manzu lineage 3) Most sources equate Dongbei with "Manchuria"


 * I'm quite busy ATM, so apologies in advance for any delays in my replies. Also, I won't be committing myself to any formal mediation as of this writing, but I will be following these events every once in a while. If there's any specific naming proposal you are thinking of right now, please let me know. Thanks. Assault11 00:26, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't quite understand your first paragraph. Can you please explain? Do you have any other name in mind? Here is my thoughts on Manchuria. Manchuria is a concept that got started with Manchu ethnicity. The concept then got changed from a ethnic(Manchu) perspective to a territorial one(NE China) without any particular ethnic emphasis. The historiography of Manchuria therefore should follows closely the concepts mentioned above. It is just ridiculous that it is using a historiography treatement reserved only for an official political entity. This right obviously belongs to NE China not Manchuria.


 * As for RFE, the only reason I put that into the History of Manchuria template is that Nlu has confused everyone by requiring that the template should include RFE, and yet he picked the word Manchuria. And he did that while trying to negotiate a consensus for Goguryeo and also cutting corner by assuming Machuria included RFE (maybe he didn't even realise he is wrong). No wonder it leads to all the confusion today. I just realised it, and therefore will insist that the template get back to its proper historiography. The templates should be precise and independent from the pages that transcluded them, and not custom fitted for any particular page.


 * As for mediation, I have been thinking of pulling out too. I am debating with myself whether to push the new and correct version of History of Manchuria directly at the page itself, or to mediate it over at the mediation. Of course I will now remove the two options on the mediation I put up earlier. Which way do you recommend we go?
 * Wiki Pokemon 06:41, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Just a quick unrelated question. When you say "It is clear that Northeast China inherited the historiography (Bohai, Jin, Liao, Qing, etc.) as well as the legacy of the Mohe-Nuzhen-Manzu lineage", does it mean then that it is inaccurate to include Bohai, Jin, Liao and earlier into Primurye historiography and it should really start from Russian confrontation with Qing? Also do you mind if I invite other editors to discuss the appropriateness of the current historiographical treatment of Manchuria and how to correct it over here?
 * Wiki Pokemon 07:16, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Lastest update from me. I have pulled out of the mediation.
 * Wiki Pokemon 17:17, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Might I ask why you are not interested in committing to a mediation which might resolve the issue conclusively? - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  00:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, I am not sure that is in line with the facts as they exist. Perhaps you are not interested in committing to mediation becuase you are aware that your past behavior would have significant consequences for yourself. You've had ample time to make your point, and people do not agree with it. Sounds liek the perfect definition of a situation requiring mediation or arbitration. As for the accusation of sock-puppetry, could you please provide a link for the diff wherein you were cleared of that particular accusation? Without it, I am afraid I will have to reinstate the accusation until and admin chooses to remove it. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  01:11, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Mediation on template:History of Manchuria
I have filed a mediation for template:History of Manchuria. Please sign up so we can continue on the dispute resolution process. Cydevil38 02:19, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

List of tributaries of Imperial China
[User:Assault11] is repeatedly reverting sourced information on this article. 

The information is clearly cited yet he deletes it. He seems to delete information that he doesn't like, whether they are unsourced or sourced.

Assault is also deleting warning tags calling them vandalism, and is breaking Wikipedia policies. 

I am tired of his stubborness and I am requesting administrative action against him, thank you. Good friend100 21:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Source clearly does not support his claim. No where in the source has there been any indication that tributes ended in 106 CE. I have provided sources (both primary and secondary) that confirms the exact opposite (see talk page). Good friend100 has been criticized by other editors regarding this issue . Assault11 21:42, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Rather odd that you chose that particular page to represent your point of view, as you chose to post this in that very same page a few months ago. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  01:20, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Dispute resolution. There's no blocking needed here unless the revert-warring continues. --  tariq abjotu  21:48, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

RFC/USER discussion concerning you (Assault11)
Hello, Assault11. Please be aware that a request for comments has been filed concerning your conduct on Wikipedia. The RFC entry can be found by your name in this list, and the actual discussion can be found at Requests for comment/Assault11, where you may want to participate. -- Cydevil38 03:12, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Request for Mediation
This message delivered: 12:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC).

Rfc
See Requests_for_comment/Jiejunkong. (Wikimachine 03:00, 10 July 2007 (UTC))

template:History of Manchuria
If you make one more revert to "History of Northeast China", I'll assume you want to move this page to "Northeat China", and I will file a Request for Move on your behalf. Cydevil38 05:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

July 2007
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that recently you carried out a copy and paste page move. Please do not move articles by copying and pasting them because it splits the article's history, which is needed for attribution and is helpful in many other ways. If there is an article that you cannot move yourself using the move link at the top of the page, follow the instructions at Requested moves. Also, if there are any other articles that you copied and pasted, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Cut and paste move repair holding pen. Thank you. Andrew_pmk | Talk 06:15, 10 July 2007 (UTC)