User talk:Asterion/Archive 5

Gibraltar, San Roque and Algeciras
Ok you are right. But we should not fall for the same tendentious editing which is so characteristic of Gibnews and Gibraltarian.--Burgas00 20:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know. That is why Gibnews keep dropping pills about how untrustworthy Spanish people are. He is simply trying to provoke me in that sense but it is not going to happen. I have made some mistakes in the past but after 3000 edits you learn the lesson well. I have no patience with people who think they own articles and generally get tired about relatively soon (I would rather use my time somewhere else). Also, please make no mistake I have no problem with people from Gibraltar at all, one of my flatmates while I was at university in England was a Gibraltarian and I really used to enjoy the fact of being able to code-switch with him in front of everyone else as if it was the most natural thing in the world. I have problems with the attitude of other users such as Ismael76, this is why I have ignored his comments somewhere else. Salud y saludos,  E    Asterion  u talking to me? 20:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok it is true, although Ismael76 has not engaged in edit wars for some time and I suspect he does not take the issue all that seriously. By what i have seen from the history of the Gibraltar page, Gibnews is not allowing any form of editing on the article. He seems to have an even greater hostility/paranoia towards Spain and Spaniards in general than Gibraltarian-yanito. Why was the latter banned? I cannot imagine someone behaving worse than Gibnews does...--Burgas00 10:36, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I am not completely sure of the reasons. I think it was because personal attacks and trollish behaviour. I think the guy just cracked up when confronted with verifiable sources that contradicted his POV, as presented by User:Ecemaml at the time, and took it upon himself to harrass him instead debating. I had abandoned wikipedia for some months last year because my discomfort with that very same situation you are describing: People thinking they own articles and totally controlling them as their pets (as Gibnews now does). This is the main problem of Wikipedia as I see it. People using it as a soapbox for their own propagandistic goals. I had experienced the same problem with other subjects (i.e. Kosovo). Sometimes is like banging your head against the wall, I think. If anything, we could ask for an independent opinion on this issue (a Request for Comments). Thanks, E    Asterion  u talking to me? 12:07, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I think we should do just that. Although I dont know if it would work since all past disputes relating to Gibraltar seem to have died down since editors have desisted arguing with Gibnews.

Independent opinions would have to look at the whole discussion page. I have looked at it recently and it basically consists of Gibnews imposing his will on a number of other editors relating to many issues. Some of them are as silly as whether the disputed tag should be included on the article...(Gibnews thought it shouldnt even though his version was disputed by all other users) Who was in control of the Kosovo page? Was it a pro-serb or pro-albanian POV individual?--Burgas00 13:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Acabo de ver la nota que le dejaste a woohookitty. Me parece muy bien. Otro ejemplo bueno sería MV Aurora. Con esta al final acabo cediendo un poco pero volvió a cambiarla al poco rato. La verdad es que me cansé. Al fin y al cabo se trata de una página oscura e insignificante, pero demuestra nuestro caso de que Gibnews siempre tiene que tener la última palabra. Respecto a Kosovo, la mayoria de los problemas era con albaneses. Intenté mediar en el asunto pero hay mucha mala sangre de por medio. Uno de ellos, el más cuco, intentaba ir de neutral siempre que el resultado le conviniera, poniendo pegas a descripciones como "Kosovo es una provincia de Serbia y Montenegro bajo administración de la ONU", cambiandola a "una entidad en el oeste de los balcanes bajo administracion de la ONU" y chuminadas por el estilo (ademas de querer borrar toda la seccion de historia pre-1945, a la Gibraltarian). Luego hay otro que ademas apenas habla inglés ni nada, pero con una cierta predilección por el uso de sockpuppets. Al final, con el lio del referendum en Montenegro uno de ellos se aprovechó para borrar toda referencia a Serbia y Montengro del artículo y montó la marimorena después de mosquear a los serbios que hasta entonces nunca habían puesto pegas (incluyendo un tal Bormalagurski que creo que ya conoces que hasta entonces era bastante civilizado). El caso es que en cuanto me cabreé del todo y les dije ahí os quedáis, la cosa fue de mal en peor y ahora la página está protegida y todo. Es lo que pasa con gente que se cree que son los dueños de las páginas. Es que no se enteran que esto es una enciclopedia no un panfleto político. Bueno volviendo a Gibnews, una de las maneras de darse cuenta de esto es usando Interiot Tool 2 y fijándose en "Average edits/page" y "Distinct pages edited", que en el caso de Gibnews es 10.015 y 66 respectivamente.  E    Asterion  u talking to me?


 * Hola chicos, la verdad es que estoy full-time con la wikipedia en español y voy a poder ayudar poco. En cualquier caso, os recomiendo que habléis con User:Woohookitty, que es bibliotecario y está familiarizado con el asunto para que tome medidas. Yo os sugeriría que buscaseis una mediación y, posteriormente, un arbitraje. Por cierto, el caso de Gibraltarian está en Requests for arbitration/Gibraltarian. Gibnews es igualmente cerril y antiespañol, pero, aparentemente, un poco más educado. Usa las fuentes cuando quiere y cuando no le gustan dice que son proespañolas. Os puedo echar una mano con fuentes británicas, si necesitáis, pero no puedo hacer nada más. Lo siento. --Ecemaml 13:14, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Gracias, Ecemaml. Estoy de acuerdo contigo, Gibnews es bastante más cuco pero es igual de cerril como tu dices. A ver que nos comenta woohookitty. E    Asterion  u talking to me? 21:42, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Pues nada escribimos en Español. Pues sí menudo pájaro el Boris ese. Parece uno de esos que fueron a vitorear en la boda de Arkan y Ceca. El Gibnews es un radical. Tiene un odio a España que no se de donde le viene... --Burgas00 22:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hombre, ya que ecemaml empezó... Por cierto, tu inglés es muy bueno. A Gibnews no sé de donde le viene el odio. Entiendo lo de la verja pero por Dios de eso hace más de 20 años y al fin y al cabo ellos la construyeron. E    Asterion  u talking to me? 23:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Que pasa Asterion? Que tal el finde? Os habeis ocupao ya del Gibraltarian. Yo creo que ya es hora que le bloqueen el IP no?

Hola Asterion. Me he hartado del POV pushing the Gibnews y voy a ver si le puedo presionar para que llegue a un consenso con aquellos que no piensan como él. No creo que llegue a nada pero bueno. A ver si me ayudas a convencerle. Yo no soy Españolista ni creo que Gibraltar deba ser Español. Pero me molesta su falta de objetividad.

¿Vistes el partido de ayer contra Tunez? --Burgas00 18:12, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Gibnews --Panchurret 20:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Burgas00 ha creado un RfC sobre Gibnews:

Question
What personal attack specifically are you referring to? The "moron" comment has been resolved. Ricardo Lagos 00:47, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Solved? You still called him "intelectually impaired"! E   Asterion  u talking to me? 00:48, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, but you see, he had written Richard Lagos instead of Ricardo Lagos. The "intelectually impaired" comment was not a personal attack, but a fact. Best regards, Ricardo Lagos 01:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I still think you ought to apologise to him. I understand that you are a relatively new user and everybody makes mistakes. I wish you learn from errors and become a good member of the wikipedia community. Regards, E    Asterion  u talking to me? 01:08, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

template and 3RR
Thanks for reporting. ilir_pz 10:57, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Simply self-revert and problem solved ;-) E   Asterion  u talking to me? 11:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

no further comment. ilir_pz 11:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

User Pantherarosa
Hi, you said you wanted other admins to voice their opinions in the matter on WP:AN/I. However, given the length of the discussion, I feel that many are skipping over it. I've now had to relist it as it was auto-archived. Therefore, since you are the only one who has been an involved third-party, would you be able to take the action you feel fit against Patherarosa's onslaught of perosnal attacks? Paul Cyr 18:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Paul, I am sorry but I am not an admin. Did you also ask for a checkuser? Is he behind the user who vandalised your page? Do you want me to re-list this? (I guess that is all I could do). Thanks, E    Asterion  u talking to me? 19:57, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry, I misunderstood a previous discussion and thought you were an admin. The RfCU is a bit backed up so I've been waiting patiently.  In the mean time I'm trying to get Pantherarosa's actions dealt with.

Bonaparte etc
I am affraid that some vandals will just keep popping up everywhere, and that we have to deal with them when they show up. If we are sure it is a single IP it can be blocked, but many of them just go to other places and we can not just block ever IP for that. What you can hope is that they give up in time if they see there is no way of edditwarring their opinion into wikipedia. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 18:40, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Re:Zastava problems
You stopped by my discussion page and said there was sumtin wrong with ur Zastava. I'm not really an expert with maintanance, but after one changes the batteries and oil I don't know what would be wrong either. Note that it will be a challenge repairing it in the UK becuase they only sell Zastavas in the balkans these days... Sorry I couldn't help

-Zastavafan76 🇷🇸

Re:

I don't actually have a Zastava but my cousin owns a Zastava Koral, 2004 model. So far in its ownership the car has been surprisingly reliable, only 1 repair ever made so far (repaired brakes).

-Zastavafan76 🇷🇸

Link
We try to keep the number of external links down (see External links; as this was a link to a site in Swedish, it's surely not indispensable to an article in the English-language Wikipedia. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 21:38, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Good point; I imagine that most of the others should go too, unless they're there as sources of information given in the article. I removed this one because it had been added in the last twenty-four hours or so, so showed up in the diff that I used. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 21:55, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, a Babel fish &mdash; one of the the things that I most often wish for when editing Wikipedia. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I certainly didn't want to suggest that the link wasn't to a relevant and good-quality site; it's just that, in light of our policy of restricting the number of links, and the fact that a very small minority of our readers are likely to be able to understand the article, it seemed a prime candidate for removal. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:16, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Kosovo Vote
Dear Asterion, I have had contact with User:Ilir pz and he has agreed to have a vote on the introduction of the Kosovo article (and the Template: Kosovo description. The exact terms still have to be agreed, but I suggested (and he agreed) that any introduction should at least include the following: 1) It should state that Kosovo is administered by the UN, 2) it should state Kosovo is part of a larger union/country (either Serbia, SCG or FRY) and 3) it should state that Kosovo will most likely become indepedent in the near future. If this is ok with you, do you think you and User: Osli73 (if he still is interested in editing this article) can come up with a version of the introduction to the article in a couple of days to include in the vote? Any other comments are ofcourse also more then welcome. Let me know your opinion on this matter, best regards Cpt. Morgan 23:19, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Dear Asterion, I would be glad to help you with a proposal for the Kosovo introduction text. Do you have a first draft, any ideas for a text? Osli73 20:13, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

User Batman2005
Hi again, I was wondering if you could voice your opinion in another personal attack case here: basically Batman2005 is linking things like douche and loser to people he doesn't like. Paul Cyr 05:10, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Note that these people are not Wikipedia editors and it doesn't violate NPA. The King   of Kings  05:15, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Also note that this is what Moe Epsilon's thinks the policy implies. I'm sure Asterion has read the first line that says do not make personal attacks anywhere.  And Moe, the only way you would know that I posted on Asterion's talk page is if you were tracking my contribs.  Are you wikistalking me? :D *blushes* Paul Cyr 05:17, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Regarding Batman2005, I believe indeed that some of his comments could be understood as personal attacks, particularly this one (even if it was directed to an obvious sockpuppet who had vandalised Batman2005's userpage). On the userpage matter, I am personally against anything divisive or what could be understood as offensive by any member of wikipedia or from elsewhere. The way I see it is that at the end of the day, we are all working here towards writing an encyclopedia and this sort of things do not help much. This is not a political forum. The problem is that policy in this area is still very unclear, as it is in the userbox issue, and many users would object to any sort of official control. Nevertheless, I suspect Batman2005 was trying to make a point on being controversial and has also shown a certain disrespect for wikipedia policies (i.e. "I got blocked once, for a bullshit reason"). I am sorry if my opinion is not very clear. Regards, E    Asterion  u talking to me? 22:19, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Vandals translating vandalism
Hi: On the bormalagurski talk page, the vandalism you reverted was actually somebody's translation of what Dzoni wrote (not my translation, I don't know who did it). Interesting dilemma, thought you might like to know. Tanager 01:42, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I cannot speak Serbo-Croatian but given that the admin who then took care of the case is originally from Croatia, he possibly thought it was vandalism too (the user that got blocked has a long history behind anyway). I will point this out to him. Thanks very much! E    Asterion  u talking to me? 06:12, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

WesternSahara-stub
I've initiated a vote at Template talk:WesternSahara-stub - hopefully that will give some indication of what to do with the icon for this template. Grutness...wha?  00:49, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Reply KLA
The link I removed once was a rambling from a non-expert that had provided no proof for his accusations, not even the name of the senior "official". CJK 00:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The article was verifiable as for Wikipedia own rules. Nevertheless, alternative valid sources have been found and provided. Best regards, E    Asterion  u talking to me? 21:19, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Re Western Sahara template
Thanks for the notice Asterion. -- Szvest 12:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC) Wiki me up&#153;
 * No problem. Please inform any other interested parties if you can. Thanks, -- E   Asterion  u talking to me? 12:06, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Lupin
Hi Asterion - you'd added "plus the Patagonian Lupinus polyphyllus" to the list of edible lupins; there is an error in there, as L. polyphyllus is a North American species, not Patagonian. I've removed this from the article for now; if you can find out which Patagonian species is so used there, please re-insert it - thanks, MPF 17:41, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi MPF, the Lupinus polyphyllus is definitely cultivated in the Patagonia. I was unaware it was not autochtonous though. Regards, -- E   Asterion  u talking to me? 17:44, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks; by all means mention that (I'll add it in later if you don't want to now; can't myself just now as I'm offline for an hour or two shortly) - MPF 18:00, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm really sorry. I think I actually made a mistake. I confused Lupinus hirsutus or Altramuz Azul (Blue Lupin) with Lupinus polyphyllus, which is also blue (and present in Argentina, but mainly as a decorative plant and/or animal forage). This is the problem with relying on internet sources and with possible mistranslations. I apologise profusely. I will amend the article in that sense. In all cases, the plant is not autochtonous either, so it should go under Mediterranean too. Regards, -- E   Asterion  u talking to me? 18:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Andalusia
Hello Asterion. I thought its about the origin of the name. anyway please accept my apologise and sorry for any inconvienience. Regards -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fake God20 (talk • contribs)


 * That is not a problem. Thanks for replying. Cheers, -- E   Asterion  u talking to me? 19:31, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Please Help
Hi, Asterion. I noticed that you paid attention to the Gaza Beach Massacre. Do you have any suggestion as to what could be done to fix this article? It seems POV and kinda inaccurate. Please respond on my talk or on the article's talk. Cheers V. Joe 20:44, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, again. To be truthful, I suspect the GBM is a hoax, but I have no means of proving it with the sparse information involved. I also suspect that the author of the page has a strong anti-Israeli bias towards the conflict. Personally, I might be accused of the opposite, but it rarely matters since it isn't a major concern with me. If you want it deleted, I'll support that. Cheers V. Joe 20:53, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks Asterion, appreciate the help. This is a vast improvement V. Joe

More on "GBm/GBi". Hi again, Asterion, but I added information from the IDF's take on the incident. It appears I may have been correct about the incident being a scam of somekind. The Israeli evidence seems pretty strong. My new source comes from Jerusalem Post, which we can be assured of, it not an Anti-Israeli paper. Cheers V. Joe 08:04, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Contribs
Script can be found (for monobook skin) at User:Voice of All/UsefulJS. It marks up the contribs page with what it "thought" of edits so you know when it makes any mistakes. Out of 5000, it sometimes makes 1-3, somtimes "negating" each other. Whenever I run it on RfA, I check to make sure that there is not a key mistake causing to misread a lot of edits (this only uccurs when the same summary is used again and again and it is misread). When that does happen, I fix the JS, run it again, and then post the stats, so if you want the tool for personal use go ahead, but please don't start posting it on RfAs as there is a small chance that is will do unfair harm to the candidate. Voice -of- All  20:02, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I moved the CSS stuff into your monobook.css page. Voice -of- All  20:26, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Jevgjit
Jevgjit is not Serbian word, so I do not know exactly what this name refer to. Serbian word for Kosovo Egyptians is Đupci, and there is similar Albanian name Maxhup for them. By my opinion Jevgjit might be another Albanian name for them, but it is only my guess, I am not sure about this. Maybe you should ask Ilir about that, he speak Albanian. PANONIAN  (talk)  14:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Starčević again
Hi! I have expanded the article on Ante Starčević/Requested Changes. Nobody else did anything about it for two weeks, so I believe it is time to move on. The last two chapters need an impartial editor. Since you showed interest in the article, can you help? Please read what I wrote on Talk:Ante Starčević/Requested Changes. If those two chapters are put in order, there should be no problems with this version and we can request its move to the article proper. --Zmaj 09:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That is good news. I will try to have a look tonight and have a crack on. Cheers, -- E   Asterion  u talking to me? 10:50, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, you do not have to be familiar with the subject. At this junction, common sense is exactly what the article needs. I will take a look after you change it. --Zmaj 10:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

No apologies needed. Do not see it as an obligation. If it turns out you cannot do it, I will ask someone else, it's cool. --Zmaj 07:21, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Now I need advice. Medule has come to the article and obviously intends to sabotage it by introducing hate material (see its talk page). What should I do? By the way, I am not sure whether Medule is Purger's sock puppet. There is absolutely no hard evidence for it, but Medule has reappeared on June 17 after two months of inaction... only six hours after the last post of Purger, who has been blocked for a month. But maybe I am getting paranoid. --Zmaj 12:18, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Reply
No problem, sorry for my own delay but I had some things else to add first. Exactly, some people are so afraid their vision is going to fall apart so they hunt everone else and with their hostile propaganda makings treats instead. Sick. You can see my posted comments/votes on the page now. I voted full support for your version. The page is although a mess and tomany options and versions. Their should only be two options in a vote like this. And all the messy comments and proposals all over the place. I dont like it but now I am there. Best Regards Litany 10:18, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Re:Work on Zastava pages
your welcome for me working on the zastava articles. But it seems you contribute to zastava articles just as well if not better than I do. you turned my skala stub article into a page nearly as big as the zastava koral article. Nice addition of photos, too. thanks

-Zastavafan76 🇷🇸

I never said I disliked the Kia Rio, it's just similar to the Florida. They are both subcompact wagons that are about the same size, price, and quality. looking forward to your new zastava pics :)

-Zastavafan76 🇷🇸

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Kosovo
Dear Asterion, regarding the discussions we had over the past few weeks and in view of the compromises that we tried to make, I would like to ask you one final time if perhaps you can agree with the current article version of the introduction of Kosovo. There certainly are things you would like to see changed, but you have to ask yourself if they are worth starting another revert war over. Alternatively, a vote or other solution might lead to an introduction that is even further away from what you would like it to be. Looking back at the discussions and compromises I must say that the current version is very close to a good compromise. This article is currently one of the articles on Wikipedia that has been protected for the longest time (List of protected pages) and even was mentioned on some websites as an example related to the recent NY Times article. Also, people have been wanting to add other information to this articles a number of times (See the talk archive). So, look at the article with a cool head, think of all the discussions and arguments you've heard and if you think we could lift the block without a revert war starting again, please let me know.

P.S. This message was posted at the pages of all people involved that are still active on Wikipedia. Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 15:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, Reinoutr. I spend too long in the pub nowadays. I blame the World Cup (England tonight and Spain yesterday) :o) I will have a look tomorrow. BTW, good luck against Argentina. Cheers,

Asterion, nice game yesterday (England-Sweden). Sweden's best so far. Anyways, I agree with Reinoutr that it's time to finalize the whole Kosovo intro. issue. However, I'm not ready to go with the substandard and contrived version that is up there at the moment just because certain editors are not willing to make any real compromises. I, and you, I believe, have been willing to go with several of the compromises put forward.

My suggestion now, which I have proposed to Reinoutr (see my talk page), is to go with the latest compromise version put forward by ChrisO (following some minor grammar/language changes).

Could we push for this (inbetween World Cup games) to finally get the issue resolved?Osli73 08:28, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


 * That is OK with me. I will read the amends from home tonight. My lunch break is almost gone. Thanks, E    Asterion  u talking to me? 11:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Asterion, you'll see that I took out the reference to Vojvodina in my adjustment of ChrisO:s proposal as I thought it was beside the point. Reinoutr asked me to put them back (see my talk page). I have no problems with this if it will help us resolve the protection issue. So, consider the Vojvodina reference back in.Osli73 12:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Help Requested for Unidiode's User Page
I've been looking for some help on structuring my user page to be more coherent and better organization, and seeing as how you appear to be quite adept at formatting and such, I was wondering if you'd be able to help me out. Thanks! Unidiode 23:51, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I simply adopted somebody else's template. I'm very bad at coding (all those bloody, and tags simply do my head in!). I could have a go at your page as long as you follow the same structure as mine and do not want any extra boxes, etc. Otherwise, you are simply better off asking another guy. Cheers, -- E    Asterion  u talking to me? 14:03, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

My advice to you
We hope that you choose to become a Wikipedian and create an account. Feel free to ask me any questions you may have on my talk page. By the way, make sure to sign your posts and comments with four tildes (&#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;), which will let others know who left it. --Asterion talk to me 23:32, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

It is perfectly legal to edit any wikipedia article anonymously. Quality of contributions is not guaranted by any type of registration where there is no any valid reference for a registered person that


 * his/her intentions are entirely honorable
 * he/she is a knowledgeable person and ready to explore the matter discussed/edited

I noticed that you are insisting on pure formalism (user registarion, 3rr, etc) not even trying to see what is the main problem in editing the articles related to the neo-nazism and the WWII past - a bunch of very agresive and primitive people are following these formalisms you are insisting on them in order to whitewash, lie, block any serious attempt to edit or write an article.

So, please, avoid selling cheap pieces of advice and false care about quality of the articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.249.3.75 (talk • contribs)


 * You should be aware that your quoted text is simply a template. I hope you realise that calmly discussing things will get your point across. It seems that you are obviously not a new user, so I suspect you are simply using unsigned edits to edit war. Whatever your reasons, this is unacceptable. Regards,  E    Asterion  u talking to me? 15:25, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

A short Esperanzial update
As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, &mdash;Cel es tianpower háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Prishtina
Hmm, Demographic_history_of_Prishtina is a tiny article containing info moved from the Prishtina article. I have a very good reason that the article's sole reason is because it shows how Albanians gradually overwhealmed the City over the ages. I think that this might be offensive to the Kosovar Albanians, especially now, regardless of the fact that it's true. however, it's still tiny info, and Prishtina is still a small article. --HolyRomanEmperor 16:23, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Warning conflict
On User talk:70.101.7.245, we both warned the same user for the same page (about two minutes apart). I removed your warning so that we don't bite the newbies, I hope you don't mind. MichaelBillington 06:33, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem. Thanks very much. E    Asterion  u talking to me? 06:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Comments on Peninsular War opposing name change
Hi, just to say that I've added a comment in that article's discussion opposing the proposed name change to "War of Independence (Spain)". You'll find the reasons in there. Best Regards, --213.58.139.56 11:38, 29 June 2006 (UTC)