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Ancient Israeli (Palaestina region) references

 * c. 450 BCE: Herodotus, The Histories , First historical reference clearly denoting a wider region than biblical Philistia, referring to a "district of Syria, called Palaistinê" (Book 3 ): "The country reaching from the city of Posideium to the borders of Egypt... paid a tribute of three hundred and fifty talents. All Phoenicia, Palestine Syria, and Cyprus, were herein contained. This was the fifth satrapy."; (Book 4): "the region I am describing skirts our sea, stretching from Phoenicia along the coast of Palestine-Syria till it comes to Egypt, where it terminates"; (Book 7 ): "[The Phoenicians and the Syrians of Palestine], according to their own account, dwelt anciently upon the Erythraean Sea, but crossing thence, fixed themselves on the seacoast of Syria, where they still inhabit. This part of Syria, and all the region extending from hence to Egypt, is known by the name of Palestine." One important reference refers to the practice of male circumcision associated with the Hebrew people: "the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians, are the only nations who have practised circumcision from the earliest times. The Phoenicians and the Syrians of Palestine themselves confess that they learnt the custom of the Egyptians.... Now these are the only nations who use circumcision."
 * c. 340 BCE: Aristotle, Meteorology, "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said. They say that this lake is so bitter and salt that no fish live in it and that if you soak clothes in it and shake them it cleans them." This is understood by scholars to be a reference to the Dead Sea.
 * c. 150 BCE: Polemon of Athens, Greek Histories, quoted by Eusebius of Caesarea in Praeparatio Evangelica: "In the time [reign] of Apis son of Phoroneus a part of the Egyptian army was expelled from Egypt, who took up their abode not far from Arabia in the part of Syria called Palestine."
 * c. 130 BCE: Agatharchides (5.87, quoted in Diodorus Siculus's Bibliotheca historica; Strabo's Geographica, and Photios' Bibliotheca): "Near (Tiran) island is a promontory, which stretches towards the Rock of the Nabataeans and Palestine."
 * c. 30 BCE: Tibullus, Tibullus and Sulpicia: The Poems: "Why tell how the white dove sacred to the Syrians flies unharmed through the crowded cities of Palestine?"
 * c. 2 CE: Ovid, Ars Amatoria: "the seventh-day feast that the Syrian of Palestine observes."
 * c. 8 CE: Ovid, Metamorphoses: (1) "...Dercetis of Babylon, who, as the Palestinians believe, changed to a fish, all covered with scales, and swims in a pool" and (2) "There fell also Mendesian Celadon; Astreus, too, whose mother was a Palestinian, and his father unknown."
 * c. 17 CE: Ovid, Fasti (poem): "When Jupiter took up arms to defend the heavens, came to Euphrates with the little Cupid, and sat by the brink of the waters of Palestine."
 * c. 40 CE: Philo of Alexandria, (1) Every Good Man is Free: "Moreover Palestine and Syria too are not barren of exemplary wisdom and virtue, which countries no slight portion of that most populous nation of the Jews inhabits. There is a portion of those people called Essenes."; (2) On the Life of Moses: "[Moses] conducted his people as a colony into Phoenicia, and into the Coele-Syria, and Palestine, which was at that time called the land of the Canaanites, the borders of which country were three days' journey distant from Egypt."; (3) On Abraham: "The country of the Sodomites was a district of the land of Canaan, which the Syrians afterwards called Palestine."
 * c. 43 CE: Pomponius Mela, De situ orbis (Description of the World): "Syria holds a broad expanse of the littoral, as well as lands that extend rather broadly into the interior, and it is designated by different names in different places. For example, it is called Coele, Mesopotamia, Judaea, Commagene, and Sophene. It is Palestine at the point where Syria abuts the Arabs, then Phoenicia, and then—where it reaches Cilicia—Antiochia. [...] In Palestine, however, is Gaza, a mighty and well fortified city."
 * c. 78: Pliny the Elder, Natural History, Volume 1, Book V: Chapter 13: "Next to these countries Syria occupies the coast, once the greatest of lands, and distinguished by many names; for the part which joins up to Arabia was formerly called Palaestina, Judaea, Coele, and Phoenice. The country in the interior was called Damascena, and that further on and more to the south, Babylonia."; Chapter 14: "After this, at the point where the Serbonian Bog becomes visible, Idumea and Palaestina begin. This lake, which some writers have made to be 150 miles in circumference, Herodotus has placed at the foot of Mount Casius; it is now an inconsiderable fen. The towns are Rhinocorura and, in the interior, Rafah, Gaza, and, still more inland, Anthedon: there is also Mount Argaris"; Book XII, Chapter 40: "For these branches of commerce, they have opened the city of Carræ, which serves as an entrepot, and from which place they were formerly in the habit of proceeding to Gabba, at a distance of twenty days' journey, and thence to Palæstina, in Syria."
 * c. 80: Marcus Valerius Probus, Commentary on Georgics: "Edomite palms from Idumea, that is Judea, which is in the region of Syria Palestine."
 * c. 85: Silius Italicus, Punica: "While yet a youth, he [ Titus ] shall put an end to war with the fierce people of Palestine."
 * c. 90: Dio Chrysostom, quoted by Synesius, refers to the Dead Sea as being in the interior of Palestine, in the very vicinity of "Sodoma."
 * c. 94: Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews: "...these Antiquities contain what hath been delivered down to us from the original creation of man, until the twelfth year of the reign of Nero, as to what hath befallen us Jews, as well is Egypt as in Syria, and in Palestine."
 * c. 94: Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews: "...the children of Mesraim, being eight in number, possessed the country from Gaza to Egypt, though it retained the name of one only, the Philistim; for the Greeks call part of that country Palestine."
 * c. 94: Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews: "... Aram had the Aramites, which the Greeks called Syrians; as Laud founded the Laudites, which are now called Lydians. Of the four sons of Aram, Uz founded Trachonitis and Damascus: this country lies between Palestine and Coelesyria."
 * c. 97: Josephus, Against Apion: "Nor, indeed, was Herodotus of Halicarnassus unacquainted with our nation, but mentions it after a way of his own... This, therefore, is what Herodotus says, that "the Syrians that are in Palestine are circumcised." But there are no inhabitants of Palestine that are circumcised excepting the Jews; and, therefore, it must be his knowledge of them that enabled him to speak so much concerning them."
 * c. 100: Statius, Silvae, refers to "liquores Palestini" and "Isis, ...gently with thine own hand lead the peerless youth, on whom the Latian prince hath bestowed the standards of the East and the bridling of the cohorts of Palestine, (i.e., a command on the Syrian front) through festal gate and sacred haven and the cities of thy land."
 * c. 100: Plutarch, Parallel Lives: "Armenia, where Tigranes reigns, king of kings, and holds in his hands a power that has enabled him to keep the Parthians in narrow bounds, to remove Greek cities bodily into Media, to conquer Syria and Palestine, to put to death the kings of the royal line of Seleucus, and carry away their wives and daughters by violence." and "The triumph [of Pompey] was so great, that though it was divided into two days, the time was far from being sufficient for displaying what was prepared to be carried in procession; there remained still enough to adorn another triumph. At the head of the show appeared the titles of the conquered nations; Pontus Armenia, Cappadocia, Paphlagonia, Media, Colchis, the Iberians, the Albanians, Syria, Cilicia, Mesopotamia, Phoenicia, Palestine, Judea, Arabia, the pirates subdued both by sea and land."
 * c. 100: Achilles Tatius, Leucippe and Cleitophon and other love stories in eight books: "Your father did not return from his absence in Palestine until two days later; and he then found a letter had arrived from Leucippe's father—it had come the very day after our flight—betrothing his daughter to you." Dimadick (talk) 16:55, 12 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Palestine was the name used by all the Greek and Roman sources, centuries before the Bar Kokhba revolt. I don't particularly care about your opinion about the Arab–Israeli conflict or modern politics in general. What I do care is your tendency to remove geographic names and to parrot pro-Israeli propaganda. That was why I was telling to actually read the article. Dimadick (talk) 16:59, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not talking about the modern conflict, I am talking about history. The Greek names and the historicaly correct names don't match up.
 * Hasmonean dynasty
 * Seleucid Empire vassal (140–110 BCE)
 * Independent kingdom (110–63 BCE)
 * Client state of the Roman Republic (63–40 BCE)
 * Client state of the Parthian Empire (40–37 BCE)
 * Herodian Kingdom
 * conquest of Hasmonean kingdom
 * 37 BCE
 * formation of Tetrarchy
 * 4 BCE
 * Herodian tetrarchy
 * 4 BCE–6 CE
 * Herod Archelaus (as Ethnarch)
 * 4 BCE–39 CE
 * Herod Antipas (as Tetrarch)
 * 4 BCE–34 CE
 * Philip (as Tetrarch)
 * 4 BCE–10 CE
 * Salome I (as Toparch)
 * 37 CE–44 CE
 * Herod Agrippa I (as King)
 * Yehud (Babylonian province)
 * Siege of Jerusalem (587 BC)
 * c. 586 BCE
 * Cyrus's invasion of Babylonia
 * c. 539 BCE
 * etc.
 * As i said, the names don't match up. Also, you can see that the Greeks referred to Syria Palaestina at some point.

AstroSaturn (talk) 17:31, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Introduction to contentious topics
Reaper Eternal (talk) 00:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

December 2023
✅ to User:Breaker007. Reaper Eternal (talk) 01:32, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I concur, ✅. --Yamla (talk) 22:00, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

What does this have to do with your abuse of multiple accounts? --Yamla (talk) 11:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

"Abuse" of multiple accounts? This is my second account. The first one was blocked for obvious reasons that I understand now. I don't get why THIS account is banned.

That's exactly what i  was saying

"I made some misstakes at first but I learned how things work here"

What does THIS account have to do with my first one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AstroSaturn (talk • contribs)
 * Please read WP:EVADE and WP:SOCK. Blocks apply to the person, not just the account. You personally are blocked. Until you successfully contest the block on the original account, you personally are not permitted to edit Wikipedia. --Yamla (talk) 11:43, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


 * How exactly can i "contest the block on the original account"? The main problem is
 * the banning of this account and I
 * need an exact answer as to why
 * am being banned here. The only
 * problem was the "Breaker"
 * account which is gone now. And
 * let me repeat: NOTHING that was edited
 * on THIS account was against the
 * rules. AstroSaturn (talk) 14:10, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Every single edit from this account was against the rules (WP:EVADE and WP:SOCK). --Yamla (talk) 14:13, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * My question wasn't answered.
 * The only thing against the rules was my first account.
 * Why deleting all my edits? AstroSaturn (talk) 14:21, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:RBI. Additionally, as you refuse to listen to what I'm telling you, I will not respond further. --Yamla (talk) 14:27, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I literally just asked WHAT EXACTLY I CAN DO AstroSaturn (talk) 14:28, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * AstroSaturn, here is what you must do in plain text: Stop editing completely on this account, go on your first account,, and make an unblock request from your first account. You cannot make any further edits with this account as every single edit counts as a violation from the edit block. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 16:43, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Good advice, but the username is User_talk:Breaker007. PhilKnight (talk) 17:35, 9 December 2023 (UTC)