User talk:Atechi

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Links to categories
Hi Atechi! I wanted to let you know that when linking to a category you have to use this syntax:  Category:Classical music by nationality  rather than  . The latter syntax adds the page to the category instead of linking to the category. Thanks for your edits so far! Powers 15:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

My User Page
You made an edit on my User Page -- Thank-you. Have we met here before? -- Jason Palpatine 21:38, 30 June 2006 (UTC) (speak your mind | contributions)


 * You said: I do like your page layout though :D --Atechi 22:42, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank-you. Jason Palpatine 22:46, 30 June 2006 (UTC) (speak your mind | contributions)

Elastic/Elastomer/Elasticity
Hi! I noticed that you changed Elastic to Elastomer on several pages I'm watching, including the page on Unified Soil Classification System. Please be careful when you make this change, as sometimes, elastomer is not the appropriate disambiguation. In the case of the USCS, it's Elasticity. I've fixed that, but please do be a bit more careful and don't blindly make that substitution. Thanks! Argyriou 23:54, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Nu Metal is NOT Metal
Your quote on the Timeline of heavy metal music talk page -

":::Nu Metal is a form of metal, whether or not we personally think it is, the tempo blast beats and grunting evident among Nu Metal bands makes them metal."Atechi 18:15, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Here's my reply -


 * That's totally incorrect. Tempo blast beats, yelling, swearing, jumping up and down, silly masks, drop tuning and multi-layered drumming doens't make any shit music as Metal ! Here's a host of reasons why Nu Metal (and bands like Slipknot, Korn & Marilyn Manson) cannot be Metal.
 * Many mallcore (read Nu Metal) bands do not have that key element of well-played guitar. The riffs are simplistic, chord progressions uninspired and in many cases a total lack of soloing ! How a genre that tries to identify themselves as metal but reject the basis of metal is beyond me ! Dull songwriting, simple beats and just a general lack of songwriting skill and technical ability are major strike against mallcore, as being defined as metal.
 * Mallcore bands have not fully embraced the fact that true heaviness is derived from the riff and song structure, not from yelling, swearing, jumping up and down, silly masks, drop tuning and multi-layered drumming.
 * There are still mainstream commercial publications and media groups that identify mallcore and alt-metal, nu-metal etc… as METAL. Their reasons are obvious, financial gain, cashing in on the good name of metal to sell derivative product. If for example the global media (mainstream and underground) accepted and defined mallcore as METAL, I would be inclined to agree. However most metal publications, web-sites are adamant and defiant that the new music of today is NOT metal. The new mainstream media driven by commercial purposes are vainly trying to define mallcore as METAL. (Eg. Rewrite history)
 * Another key element of metal is defiance and rebellion (call it what you will) Back in the fairly conservative days of the late 70's and early 80's METAL defined rebellion in terms of dress, attitude, lyrics, image and so on. There was a naïve, sincerity about young people who railed against social convention by wearing ripped jeans, long unkempt hair and so on. And that tradition was taken forward by DEATH METAL BANDS, BLACK METAL BANDS & POWER METAL BANDS. But today's rebellious youth of the mallcore circles lack that sincerely defiant attitude. When a young person/artist of mallcore persuasion talks of anger, hate, frustration (all common themes in music throughout the ages) it seems very insincere and contrived when they have a very specific set common images in terms of what brand name to wear and what colour to spike your hair. To me it is as simple as, the True Metal fan/artists said, "The establishment prefers short hair so I'll grow mine long." compared to the modern mallcore fan who says ""The establishment prefers short hair so I'll dye it a certain colour, spike it with gel, by a brand name toque and grow a little beard in a certain way." Manufactured rebellion. They (mallcore) think "Rebels look like this, so this is how I'm going to look, so people think I'm a rebel." That is the crux. The mallcore group use pre-packaged defiance to identify themselves as a certain group, (to make friends) where as METAL uses rebellion for pure, undiluted reasons, to NOT belong to a certain group. (to make enemies or assert individuality).
 * Overall there seems to be a lack of true passion and integrity in the mallcore bands. The adherence to formula and commercialism derives them of the sincerity of purpose, which is a key element in metal. For some reasons many mallcore artists don't see the inherent hypocrisy and conflict of interest in speaking about rebellion, defiance and hate while fully embracing commercialism. A few of the more astute mallcore bands try to act defiant and rebellious adopting outrageous images but they are derivative of METAL bands that did it 10, 20 even 30 years ago. In the realm of mallcore, it is cool to say you like metal and cite it as an influence but not to play it. Lip service to gain credibility fails when the deeds do not follow the words.
 * Mallcore's lineage is very murky. People blame a lot of influences within/out metal for the rise of mallcore--Aerosmith's collaboration with Run DMC, Anthrax's collaboration with Public Enemy, or Sepultura's "Chaos A.D." album are two examples of the blame for mallcore being placed squarely on us--but mallcore actually arose outside of our culture. Korn is the father of mallcore, and people argue whether Korn ever was a metal band. Mallcore is alienated from metal, musically, because it is based on alien musical influences, namely rap and grunge. True metal may sometimes be "watered down" for commercial consumption, but it never pretended to fuse metal with anything. For instance, take the lightwieghts of Metal, Poison - To change a Poison song into something that would be universally regarded as traditional heavy metal you need only speed it up, thicken the guitars, change the vocals and tweak the rhythms and such. To change a Korn song into traditional heavy metal you have to completely deconstruct it, and remove something fundamental to it--namely, the rap elements. There is thus a great musical difference between true metal and mallcore.
 * Seriously, I can't believe that one would be so historically inept so as to accept such a belief. Mallcore is not metal...ever. Seeing as how metal is partially a visual experience (band logos, album covers, live shows, stage look, etc.) and attitude. Mallcore shares none of the visual nor attitudinal components. Of course, the actual music is what matters most, and from merely listening one can determine that it's not metal. See folks, the "metal" in mallcore has been diluted via alternative and/or rap influences. It's not metal, period. It's an alien hybrid that has mutated beyond recognition. Moreover, it's a music that has no tie to a past. Metal will always move forward, yet will always hold tight to its origins...forever.

-- N R S(talk to me, mail me   or award me a barnstar) 14:29, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

So...Disturbed isn't metal by definition (it's apparantly "nu metal"), then? Also would you group them under mallcore? WHat I'm getting at here, obviously, is do you think they're a crappy band like the others? I know you aren't directly insinuating this, but you call nu metal "mallcore", it makes me think you might be. -207.210.32.85 (talk) 23:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

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