User talk:Atelantix

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Re: Douglas Anthony Cooper

 * Do you spend your time flagging their initial contributions as well? That must keep you busy. If you have an issue with my contributions, send me a message. If you have a suggestion, share it. If you can't or won't do that, you are biased and you are abusing the system.

It depends on the contribution. If it's a new account posting a message in an Articles for Deletion discussion, then yes, I do flag it. I don't have an issue with the contribution directly. I do think that, in the interest of full disclosure, that other participants in the discussion should be made aware that this is a new account that hasn't contributed elsewhere on Wikipedia (yet).

That message is left precisely to prevent abuse of the system. There have been instances in the past where more new accounts have contributed to discussions than new users have. That's one reason why single-purpose accounts are flagged. —C.Fred (talk) 17:15, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Just because there exist other situations where there were more new acconts than new users is not a valid reason for tagging my account. You have zero evidence that I am posting as a sock puppet, and I resent the implication. I am a new user with one account only. You should provide evidence that indicates why you flagged the account. You might consider giving new editors the benefit of the doubt. Obnoxious flags like this are not going to encourage well-meaning editors to stay. --Atelantix (talk) 17:45, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


 * True. However, you were a new user with edits only to one topic: hence why your contributions were flagged as from a user with few or no other edits outside the topic. —C.Fred (talk) 17:59, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Everyone has to start somewhere. I think it's unfair to flag someone's account based on assumption of "sock puppetry," without any evidence that the user is in fact abusing the system in this way. --Atelantix (talk) 18:04, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


 * It was not on the assumption of sock puppetry: it was on the observation that the account is new. Whether the account is a bona fide new user, a sockpuppet, a meat puppet, or anything else is left to the closing admin and other readers to draw their own conclusions upon. —C.Fred (talk) 18:14, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, but I still think flagging an account because it's new--and without evidence of abuse--is unfair. It immediately puts the credibility of the user into question, with no discussion. Very undemocratic, in my opinion. Those who want to judge the credibility of a particular user's edits on that user's editing history can simply go to the user's page and view the history. I would think most users can figure that out pretty quickly. --Atelantix (talk) 18:33, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


 * This is something I have been thinking about, as a new user myself (and -- for now -- only involved in DAC-related editing). Every editor on Wikipedia began as a single-purpose account, whether that status changed quickly or slowly. I understand C.Fred's rationale; no doubt there have been issues. That said, I am in agreement with Atelantix that a flag this early in the game was hasty -- especially given the reasonableness and overall helpfulness of Atelantix's edits/inputs thus far.
 * I was justifiably warned (not by C.Fred) because of posting personal information. I had an inkling that I might be crossing the line, but hadn't read the guidelines yet. The warning resulted in a helpful private dialogue with the individual who warned me, for which I am grateful. My single-purpose status is unlikely to change for some time, as there's a lot of reading I need to do, with the new vocabulary being the least of it. I want to get up to speed before branching out. This is a whole new environment for me. And one that I like, thus far, despite the introduction by fire of seeing a writer I respect being unjustifiably smeared by someone for whom I have less than zero respect.
 * The sock/meat puppet accusations are patently ridiculous, and I refuse to engage them. If that were the case, why would my user name be my REAL NAME. DUH. CandaceWare (talk) 03:17, 2 October 2012 (UTC) CandaceWare

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