User talk:Athaenara/Archive 15

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 * Conflict of interest discussions in 2021

Mark Bacino
→  in re: 

Hello Athaenara,
 * Deletion of "Mark Bacino" Page Inquiry

I hope this message finds you well.

I'm writing to respectfully inquire about your recent deletion (Dec. 2020) of my article, "Mark Bacino." Your note of deletion cites that the article was in violation due to it being promotional in nature. I wish to respectfully dispute the deletion of the article as I view the page as a properly referenced/sourced, chronological history of my (hopefully ;) notable work as an artist (commercially released singer-songwriter, producer, published journalist) throughout the years. I believe my piece is of value as it provides detailed background information and context to the work I've created for the benefit of those who may be interested in said work. I also believe my article is written no differently in style or tone than numerous similar pieces devoted to many of my fellow, more well-known artists-musicians.

Please see the following for higher profile examples of similar articles that could also be misconstrued, if one desired, not as documenting the history of a commercial artist's body of work (as I see them), but also as "promotional" in nature -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Tweedy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Bragg

I'm hoping that we might be able to discuss the matter further, with you offering some specific detail concerning the article's faults, as you see them, for revision purposes. I'm also hoping that you might kindly review the article once again and consider reinstating the piece after comparing it to other similar articles and the common, stylistic standards which those illustrate and set.

On a personal note, I'm disheartened to see the article removed as I've cultivated the piece over the years and was hoping for it to be kept in place, not as a promotional vehicle by any means, but as an ongoing and future resource/historical document.

Thanks for your time. I look forward to hearing from you.

Best, Mark Bacino QueensEnglish (talk) 10:22, 6 January 2021 (UTC)


 * You have been the primary contributor to a page about yourself since July 2006, apparently believing that it is a legitimate use of Wikipedia. It isn't.  – Athaenara  ✉  10:40, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your uncivil and snarky response to my polite inquiry. By the nature of your comment you seem to thoroughly enjoy the exercise of tearing people down rather then helping them understand the rules of this environment. If I would have known that the act of updating an article written about me was "illegal" in the Wikipedia world, I would have gladly offered my identity as a page editor (if that's what you're supposed to do). Now, as a result of my mistake, I'm subject to snide, unhelpful comments and the deletion of the article without the chance to correct my missteps. Well done, Athaenara! QueensEnglish (talk) 22:13, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks!

recreation of Guido Dettoni della Grazia?
→  in re:, 

Is Guido Dettoni della Grazia a recreation of the version you deleted as G11? Thanks, Vexations (talk) 21:21, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is. – Athaenara ✉  00:16, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Unleash Your Supernova Page Deleted
→  in re:, 

"This page does not exist. The deletion, protection, and move log for the page are provided below for reference.

02:23, 6 January 2021 Athaenara talk contribs deleted page Draft:Unleash Your Supernova (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion) (thank)"

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mstridiron (talk • contribs) 15:51, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello!

I created a page about a new book that is going to be released in March 2021. However, the page has since been deleted by you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Unleash_Your_Supernova

Could you get back to me as soon as possible as to what I need to do in order for the page to be approved? Thanks!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mstridiron (talk • contribs) 15:50, 8 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Your page was an advertisement. This is an encyclopedia.  Hosting advertisements is not this encyclopedia's purpose, so User:DGG quite rightly tagged it for speedy deletion per db-g11. – Athaenara  ✉  19:20, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Aashid
→  in re:, (AfD) 

Hi! Is Draft:Aashid the same content as Aashid was? I'm wondering if this is a G4 with a mild sock suspicion or a coincidence. — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 14:33, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It was similar (using the same image) but not identical before the author blanked it while it was at AfD. Both versions are  promotional, as was the now-deleted Talk:Aashid page, e.g.:
 * "a 14 year old Indian writer who is interested in writing short stories on Amazon platform... He writes personal blogs too... He kept on searching for an opportunity to excel his talent to the world, it is when he found the Kindle direct publishing platform and found it useful to publish his books" [with an external link to his amazon page]
 * I don't know if and  are the same person. – Athaenara  ✉  16:40, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Don’t worry guys I blanked it, it might be a spam. &#91;&#91;User:Grover no 1&#124;Grover no 1&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;User talk:Grover no 1&#124;talk&#93;&#93;). (talk) 17:23, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Subskile sock
Just FYI, I filed this based on your concern: Sockpuppet investigations/Subskile --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:19, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Added Short Bio for previously deleted article
→  in re: 

Hi Athaenara! This is Raovikramnet (talk) 01:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC) from California, I would like to create page for 'Prasant Mohapatra'. Initially i created a draft but it was speedily deleted! i have created a new short, crisp, concise draft and published it, Hope it is not violating any Wikipedia guidelines (Currently i am not related to subject) Raovikramnet (talk) 01:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Piumi Hansamali article
→  in re: (AfD),,  

Hi.. It is regarding the article you deleted by speedy deletion process. However, I can assure that the actress is notable in my country and South Asia, specially in Malayalam and Sinhala film industry. Already she has done one film and in the future there are two films contracted. Also, she received international recognition through several modeling contests. She is currently making few reliable newspaper articles as well. Also, they tagged the deletion by stating that, it is the same text with previously deleted article. But that is not true. I really made in my own. As I have made several Sri Lankan celebrity articles, this is also an important and notable article. so please consider about the deletion and I hope that you may able to restore that deleted page. Thank You.... Gihan Jayaweera (talk) 22:26, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not an expert on models and starlets (and I have never heard of a "Mrs. Nobel Queen" prize) but all of the pages so far written on Wikipedia about this one have been inflated puffery, as if written by a publicist or talent agent. – Athaenara  ✉  18:22, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * So, what is your final decision?. Which part do you think as puffery?? Is it regarding her modeling career?? I have supplied verified references as well. Can you restore the page and then I can remove the puffery and make it encyclopedic. Because I think according to your point, you deleted it due to its advertisement-like appearance and not about her notability as an actress or model. So, if you can't restore, then can I make a new article without adding that puffery or advertisement-like part with the same name??? Thank You.... Gihan Jayaweera (talk) 9:00, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Please reply about my concern. I need your help to post this article. Gihan Jayaweera (talk) 22:26, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The person you want to write about is a minor figure in the "celebrity" world, someone who has been employed as a model, entered contests ("Mrs. Noble Queen of the Universe"?!?), and got a role or two in television or film. I don't want to insult you but please read Notability (people).  – Athaenara  ✉  19:31, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of EMB3Rs
→  in re:,  →  see also:, 

Hi Athaenara,

I am contacting you with regard to the deleted EMB3RS page. If I am not mistaking Celestina007 carried out the action and I left a note on her talk page asking to retrieve the material for improvement and submission to review. I just now came across your name and so I wonder if you are the person I should contact with my request? I am still very new to Wikipedia and hence would appreciate it a lot if you could help me with A) identifying the right person to contact in order to retrieve the deleted material or B) if that person is indeed you, retrieve the deleted material.

Thanks a lot in advance, Melanie at ESCI (talk) 15:59, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Janko de Beer
→  in re:, ,  →  see also:, , (on Commons) 

Morning, Unfortunately you are mistaken – I am NOT being directly or indirectly compensated by the artist and or any person affiliated with the topic. Last year I proposed "Janko de Beer" as an article for creation and was submitted through the articles for creation process. The draft article was approved by WikiPedia and moved to the main article pages, as can be seen in the timeline\history of the articles creation. I am currently busy with a wikipedia project (started during our covid lockdown), focusing on notable artists from South Africa with no direct or indirect compensation by the artist or any person affiliated with the topic. I love writing and doing research in the art industry and am doing this project for free. I selected a couple of noteworthy South African artists like Lionel Smit, Riaan van Zyl, Mbongeni Buthelezi to name but a few, to include on wikipedia's database of knowledge. Janko de Beer from Cape Town, SA was the first on my list, it took me nearly 5 months of research before attempting the draft article on my first topic. The draft was accepted and the article moved to the wikipedia main page. I am currently working on Riaan van Zyl an artist based in the Boland of South Africa and will start my draft article on him within the next couple of months, if my free time permits. Anyhow, I would appreciate it if you can put the article back up onto the wikipedia main space, seeing that a lot of work went into creating the article and also because no wikipedia rules and regulations were broken in creating such article. Appreciate your concern, but I believe that this response will put you at ease. Hear from you soon. Best regards, Trevor HughesTrevor HughesTrevor (talk) 10:09, 11 February 2021 (UTC)


 * deleted Janko de Beer article

Hi there,

It seems that an article I wrote was deleted in that it was suggested that I did not divulge the fact that I was paid to write the article.

I wish to state unequivocally that I was not paid to write the article and wrote it because it is a valuable edition for South African artists on Wikipedia. I did a lot of research on the subject and went through the whole process to get the article accepted by wikipedia and moved into the main article space...just to get deleted without any recourse to the author.

I would really appreciate if you can please get back to me in this regards?

Best, Trevor HughesTrevor (talk) 14:24, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Regardless of whether or not anyone paid you to write it, it was deleted per db-g11 as WP:SPAM because that's what it was. – Athaenara  ✉  17:52, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Unus Safardiar
→  in re: 

Dear Athaebara, Thank you for your review of the Draft:Unus Safardiar. I understand your comments and can follow them in the future. Can you please restore the Draft so that i can edit it further.

Kind Regards, Mina Melikova (talk) 22:24, 28 February 2021 (UTC)Mina

Dear Athaenara,
 * Deleted Draft

Thank you for your comments for the Draft:Unus Safardiar. I will definitely follow them in the future Can you please restore the Draft page so that i can edit it it further. --Mina Melikova (talk) 22:31, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The whole page was unambiguous advertising which TheChronium appropriately tagged for speedy deletion per WP:CSD as WP:SPAM. I don't restore such pages.  – Athaenara  ✉  22:46, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Bhupesh Bansal article deleted
→  in re: 

Hello @Athaenara:

Can you tell me why Bhupesh Bansal's article got deleted? As I read the reason which you mentioned A7 talks about "that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant."

Bhupesh Bansal is the illustrator of the biggest content creator company named RVCJ. His posts are already viral all over India. Moreover, he has worked with other companies and Bollywood celebrities which shows that people have searched about him, and by creating Wikipedia of his name, we can provide information to people.

I have created other articles too and I know the Wikipedia guidelines and policies. Just let me know where I was wrong so that I can create a draft again, add more content with reliable media links. Moreover, I had added reliable media links such as Midday, Deccan Chronicle, Asia Netnews, etc.

Looking forward to your guidance so that I can create the article and make Wikipedia more better and informative. Rajveer90 (talk) 17:52, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You wrote advertising for a person whose notability is insufficient as per Wikipedia guidelines. The notice from User:DMySon on your own talk page at User talk:Rajveer90 linked deletion criteria pages for both G11 and A7, did you not read them?  You said here, "by creating Wikipedia of his name, we can provide information to people."  Who are "we" in that statement?  – Athaenara  ✉  18:53, 3 March 2021 (UTC)


 * , I have read G11 too which says that it is promotional content and Wikipedia doesn't allow any type of promotional content. I don't know Bhupesh Bansal, every day I see posts of Rajnikant vs CID jokes (RVCJ) made by Bhupesh. I didn't know about him but when I researched about him then I came to know his story and all media articles.


 * Coming to the other point, "We' stands for all the editors who help and make Wikipedia a place that is appreciated and used by millions of people.


 * I am not doing any promotional stuff for anyone just creating another page like I created others so that it can help readers. If you can provide me your guidance I can create draft again with all reliable media links and submit it for review. Rajveer90 (talk) 19:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , May be Rajnikant vs CID jokes (RVCJ) notable subject but Bhupesh Bansal does not pass Wikipedia's General notability criteria as of now. It lacks significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. D My Son  06:51, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

,, I agree with you but all the media articles that I had mentioned were from reputed and big media houses in India. They all were reliable sources as I have used some of the same newspaper links earlier for other drafts and those get reviewed easily.

And for your information, there was not a mention of Bhupesh Bansal in the media articles. The whole article was based on him, talked about his life journey, and his work. So, I think Bhupesh Bansal pass Wikipedia's General notability criteria. I will try to make a new draft with more content and more reliable media links.

Looking forward to your valuable response. Rajveer90 (talk) 20:39, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

hello
→  in re:, , , etc. 


 * It seems that your only interest in Wikipedia is to write about yourself. I recommend that you stop doing that.  – Athaenara  ✉  08:01, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Rajasthan United FC
→  in re: (AfD) 

Hey @Athaenara:

You deleted a page of a club in Rajasthan state of India called Rajasthan United FC (RUFC) on 4th march by saying this is a promotional page. But in really that is not a promotional page.

Rajasthan United FC are the winners of inaugural season of Rajasthan State Man's League. So i just made a page for them. They have not asked me for any page creation and i'm not linked with them. Some days ago other user had created a deletion request for RUFC logo saying it was copyright violation But then i contacted the RUFC and taken permission to use logo.

I know the Wikipedia guidelines and policies. Just let me know where I was wrong so that I can create a draft again, add more content with reliable media links. Moreover, I had added reliable media links too.

Looking forward to your guidance so that I can create the article and make Wikipedia more better and informative.

Vplpoonia (talk) 04:35, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Restored per your request. – Athaenara  ✉  06:39, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * but it is still showing this
 * "This article may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion for the following reasons:
 * as a page that was previously deleted via a deletion discussion, is substantially identical to the deleted version, and any changes do not address the reasons for which the material was deleted. See the previous discussion. See CSD G4.
 * because in its current form it serves only to promote or publicise an entity, person, product, or idea, and would require a fundamental rewrite in order to become encyclopedic. See the previous discussion. However, the mere fact that a company, organization, or product is a page's subject does not, on its own, qualify that page for deletion under this criterion. This criterion also does not apply where substantial encyclopedic content would remain after removing the promotional material as deletion is not cleanup ; in this case please remove the promotional material yourself, or add the tag to alert others to do so . See CSD G11.
 * The page may be deleted under any criterion that is valid.
 * If this article does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion, or you intend to fix it, please remove this notice, but do not remove this notice from pages that you have created yourself. If you created this page and you disagree with the given reason for deletion, you can click the button below and leave a message explaining why you believe it should not be deleted. You can also visit the talk page to check if you have received a response to your message."
 * i have contested against deletion giving proper explanation. Vplpoonia (talk) 07:44, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You could ask the user who tagged it,, about it. – Athaenara  ✉  08:50, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I've deleted it. please read WP:PROMO. I won't be providing a restored version of the article because it would be beneficial for everyone if you started from scratch and stuck to what the reliable sources say about the club.  Anarchyte  ( talk  &#8226;  work ) 12:13, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * it is not a promo as i have already mentioned. there are also enough links there. Vplpoonia (talk) 12:23, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * As this club now has well established presence, i managed to get some reference links if you look these and review your decision. links are as follows:
 * 1. https://footballindia.co.in/jecrc-fc-rebrands-to-rajasthan-united-fc/
 * 2. https://footballindia.co.in/rajasthan-united-fc-set-up-residential-academy/
 * 3. http://www.arunfoot.com/rajasthan-united-fc-launch-their-residential-academy/
 * 4. https://www.falconebiz.com/company/RUFC-SPORTS-PRIVATE-LIMITED-U92410RJ2021PTC073870 Vplpoonia (talk) 14:13, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Rajasthan United FC page delete review
→  in re: (AfD)  →  see also: User talk:Athaenara/Archive 15 

Hey, I'm writing about a page of football club in india, you deleted saying no proofs this exists. as now i'm sending you some links where you can see news about this club. so please see these sources and look if you can review your actions and reverse that.

i'm also enclosing a chat i had with another admin, you was also involved in that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Praxidicae&oldid=1012967141#Deletion_of_Rajasthan_United_FC

As this club now has well established presence, i managed to get some reference links if you look these and review your decision. links are as follows: 1. https://footballindia.co.in/jecrc-fc-rebrands-to-rajasthan-united-fc/ 2. https://footballindia.co.in/rajasthan-united-fc-set-up-residential-academy/ 3. http://www.arunfoot.com/rajasthan-united-fc-launch-their-residential-academy/ 4. https://www.falconebiz.com/company/RUFC-SPORTS-PRIVATE-LIMITED-U92410RJ2021PTC073870 Vplpoonia (talk) 13:17, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I restored it once for you. Do you remember the discussion you initiated here in March 2021?  [Archived discussion linked above.]  deleted it again not long after that, as he told you then.  I have no idea where you got the misleading notion that I deleted it "saying no proofs this exists" [sic].  – Athaenara  ✉  13:46, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * can it be recovered again?
 * or if not, can i make a new page? Vplpoonia (talk) 14:10, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Abhivadhya / ProudMallu
→  see also: Sockpuppet investigations/Phoenix man 


 * hi

I need to delete my entire page including talk page ProudMallu ( 📨 │ 📝 )  09:23, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * As you will have seen in my edit summary at User talk:Abhivadhya (diff), you may blank that page if you wish, but it will not be deleted and its history will remain intact. We don't delete such pages.  – Athaenara  ✉  09:27, 20 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Have a look at this

A user named Proudmallu requested their username to be changed into Abhivadhya. Just after some hours the same user requested to delete their user page as well the talk page.. Now the same user under the same has come up to my talk page and is saying he dont know who Proudmallu is. I am sure these two are same users because he/she continuosly asks me to review his draft. You can also have a look at this. You can see this user ProudMallu is suspected by another user. Please make a clarification to this as I dont know what is this user actually trying to achieve from here. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 09:59, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know what he's trying to achieve, and maybe he doesn't either, but it's clearly the same person. – Athaenara  ✉  10:38, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * He also launched personal attack against me. Can you have a look at my talk page. Since you are an admin, I kindly request you to ask this user regarding this. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 10:43, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * If it were solely up to me, and thank goodness it isn't, I'd block the guy right now for disruptive editing. This problem needs attention from more than just two people.  I strongly recommend that you take it to WP:AN or WP:ANI.  Just describe the situation plainly and simply, as you have done here.  – Athaenara  ✉  10:50, 20 March 2021 (UTC)


 * He showed up

Hey have a look at this. . That guy who retired, just showed up here. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 12:40, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Sanjib Kumar Karmee
→  in re: 

Hi !I just noticed you deleted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sanjib_Kumar_Karmee. Kindly retrieve it. I want to edit and reshape it. Please help. Kdis98 (talk) 13:31, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Deletion of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sanjib_Kumar_Karmee
 * No, I will not retrieve it. Is there nothing you're interested in working on here at this encyclopedia besides promoting one person's career?  You've been bothering quite a few editors about it and ignoring some very good advice.  Are you the subject yourself, a fellow student, perhaps a student assistant?  What's the relationship?   – Athaenara  ✉  14:24, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Dear Sir/Madam, I am not promoting anything in wikipedia and not related to the subject. I saw a news in the local news paper and started to collect articles. I am sorry, if I bothered any editors. Many times I was confused; so I asked few things for clarifications only. I am working as per the advices of the editors from the beginning. It is my first article. I worked very hard to write it. Please restore it. I am still interested to work on it. I hope I am not bothering you or impolite to you. Thank you. Kdis98 (talk) 16:13, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, If you think it is advertising, please let another person rewrite/organize it. I have no issue. Thank you. Kdis98 (talk) 04:41, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, It is not a promo page. Kindly retrieve it. My apologies, if I was impolite. Please edit the page according to Wikipedia. Thank you! Kdis98 (talk) 05:21, 23 March 2021 (UTC)


 * What you wrote was extremely promotional, the kind of thing a publicist might write for an agency which organizes speaking engagements. Are you actually suggesting that I write an article about him?  – Athaenara  ✉  06:02, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello Athaenara, As I have pointed out I don't know how to write. You are all experienced people. I am not suggesting you to write. Please don't read too much into it. You can suggest how to modify it. Again, I am saying that I am not doing any kind of promotion. Thank you in advance. Kdis98 (talk) 06:13, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, If possible kindly retrieve the page and please suggest the possible changes needs to be done. Many Thanks! Kdis98 (talk) 09:45, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Can you please restore the page? Thanks! Kdis98 (talk) 16:34, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * You should re-read User talk:Hatchens/Archive 3 Stop ignoring the good advice that experienced and conscientious editors gave you.  – Athaenara  ✉  20:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Also User talk:Kashmorwiki/Archive 1, User talk:Primefac/Archive 32, and several discussions which you initiated in May, July, August, and September 2020 and are now archived at User talk:GoingBatty/Archive11. – Athaenara  ✉  20:35, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the links. I went through the discussion. I will not ignore the good advice. Kdis98 (talk) 03:53, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Please restore the article. I will do as per the advice of reviwers and editors. Thank you Kdis98 (talk) 16:39, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Samir Gervalla
→  in re: 

Hello Athaenara, could you please retrieve the text of Samir Gervalla, an article you recently deleted, and send it to me, since I was the one who created it? You can also post it at User:Aeternus/Samir Gervalla. Thank you very much in advance. --Λeternus (talk) 13:48, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not retrieving anything for a spammer paid by clients to write about them on Wikipedia. – Athaenara  ✉  23:10, 29 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Even though paid contribution is allowed in Wikipedia and you did not provide any clarification on why you deleted the article under the G11 criterion for speedy deletion, aside from referencing the G11 warning placed on my talk page? G11 notes that "if a subject is notable and the content could plausibly be replaced with text written from a neutral point of view, this is preferable to deletion", and "any article that describes its subject from a neutral point of view does not qualify for this criterion". Can you please specify which part of the article didn't adhere to WP:NPOV, was promotional in nature, or didn't reflect the sources it was based on? --Λeternus (talk) 11:28, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you can find someone who is willing to help you promote your client on Wikipedia. That's not the kind of thing I do, so it won't be me.  – Athaenara  ✉  11:52, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I am not asking from you to help me promote anyone, I am asking you to provide justification for your deletion of Samir Gervalla. Again, how did you decide the article does not adhere to WP:NPOV? --Λeternus (talk) 12:10, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Fellow editor tagged the page for db-g11 deletion and, agreeing with that assessment, I followed through.  Perhaps you noticed something I posted in November (diff) near the top of this page, or perhaps you didn't:  "ANY reliable administrator is free to reverse ANY administrative action I have taken, whether page protection, page deletion, user block, or anything else." Perhaps you will find another administrator who is  amenable to your efforts.  I am not.  – Athaenara  ✉  12:44, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Bravo.  Onel 5969  TT me 13:06, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Athaenara, I want to point it out that I'm not necessarily asking from you to revert the article or help me in any way, only to describe how did you decide it does not adhere to WP:NPOV or is "blatantly promotional". The G11 warning placed on my talk page notes that "if the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator". Deciding just to delete an article without an explanation and then just asking me to find "another administrator who is amenable to [my] efforts" seems irresponsible at best. You even called me a "spammer" (so much for WP:CIVILITY) without giving an explanation even once on why do you think the article contained spam, even after I requested it. Your only justification seems to be that I'm a paid user, like that is somehow a bad thing. I want to remind you that paid editing is allowed in Wikipedia and I declared my COI on both the article's tack page and on my userpage according to the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use. --Λeternus (talk) 16:05, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

CannaMD spam and spammers
→  in re:, ,  →  see also: Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of McKenzieLewis 

Hi Athaenara, I hope all is well. So I have been dealing with someone claiming that they are working on a promo page as part of a school project. But in addition to realizing that the editor's formerly blocked account was renamed to that of someone that writes for the company's website (editor is currently using 2 accounts), an off Wiki search quickly identified the subject as a current member of the marketing team. Is there anything I can do about it without violation outing rules? Best, GPL93 (talk) 20:27, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Advice on how to deal with off site evidence identifying covert marketer
 * I'm not at all an expert on any legalities and illegalities involved, but the front line veterans over at the WP:WPSPAM project probably include several who are. – Athaenara  ✉  23:00, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the input. It's great to see you back editing! Best, GPL93 (talk) 00:09, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

DevSecOps
→  in re:, ,  →  see also:, , 

Hello! Can I please see the content that you deleted from DevSecOps? I wish to see exactly what was deletion-worthy about it and why the page has been protected against re-creation. In the meantime, I have put it in as an article request. Thanks Bwrs (talk) 16:27, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * As long ago as February 2017, I deleted it once and restored it once. I've had nothing further to do with it, nor will I.  – Athaenara  ✉  23:00, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Tobias Broeker
→  in re:, who is user , Deletion review/Log/2021 April 11, Articles for deletion/Tobias Broeker  →  see also: WP:ANI#Single-purpose IP 82.173.133.70, WP:ANI/Archive1064#One-purpose IP 82.173.133.70, User:Uwe Martens block log on German Wikipedia 

Hy! Could you please restore the article Tobias Broeker in my user pages for further completion? Please note that the German article will most likely be kept (see the deletion discussion there). Thanks and best regards, Uwe Martens (talk) 20:52, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Restoring Tobias Broeker
 * I don't care how many pages Wikipedia Deutschland keeps, both these pages were written by the same self-promoter. – Athaenara  ✉  23:00, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * In the German discussion it becomes clear that this is not a self-promotion, but a musicological highly relevant work, as several encyclopedically relevant contemporary composers all over the world are represented by this editor! Furthermore, no monetary (advertising) intentions are discernible, neither in the WP-article, nor on the website of the sheet music publisher. Anyway, please restore it in the article namespace for a regular deletion discussion or in my subpages for a review, thx! Uwe Martens (talk) 00:25, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you think I'd do that. I won't.  – Athaenara  ✉  01:00, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you are right - why should I have assumed that you would follow the arguments? Uwe Martens (talk) 01:34, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 'a musicological highly relevant work, as several encyclopedically relevant contemporary composers all over the world are represented by this editor'? Absolute load of nonsense: if I write a book about Beethoven am I suddenly notable? There are virtually no proper third-party sources that speak about Tobias Broeker as a notable 'musicologist' or 'publisher'. He doesn't become notable just by putting his work on his own website (and writing his own Wikipedia article!). 82.173.133.70 (talk) 06:34, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Athaenara, please may you add this comment to the review page? I can't. 82.173.133.70 (talk) 06:34, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I understand that anonIPs cannot be used to create new deletion review pages, but I hadn't read or been told that they couldn't participate in them once opened. Are you sure you cannot add your comments there?  – Athaenara  ✉  06:43, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * My mistake, sorry. I couldn't edit on the linked 'Deletion review' page, but I could comment on the 'Deletion review/Log/2021 April 11' page. 82.173.133.70 (talk) 07:52, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Good, glad to hear it. – Athaenara  ✉  08:08, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Tobias Broeker. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uwe Martens (talk • contribs) 01:35, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Deletion review for Tobias Broeker

Udaan (company) Deletion
→  in re:, 

Hi, I see that you have deleted the page for Udaan (company) - if possible could you undelete and move that to Draftspace so I can try to improve it. I am **not** trying to promote this company, or any other company - I created articles for multiple companies yesterday (Udaan, CRED, PharmEasy) because these companies recently became unicorns and received a lot of coverage, and I was surprised to find that these had no articles on Wikipedia.

I went through the Identifying_blatant_advertising article, and I couldn't really find what I did wrong - I didn't refer to the company in first person, nor did I try to promote any of its features (there was ONE line about the company's business and that was just saying "Udaan is a B2B FMCG company". It would really help if you could move these to draftspace, and tell me what I could do to make these seem less "promotion-y". KNivedat (talk) 05:18, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Just a note that I undeleted the page once and moved it to draft space as user KNivedat requested. Another administrator deleted that a day or two later.  – Athaenara  ✉  05:12, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Recent deletion of biography of Brian Chater
→  in re: 

Hello Athaenara, I recently submitted a biography for Brian Chater, who is a notable person within the Canadian music industry, but it was (very) speedily deleted for the following reason; "...because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic."

I do not understand this at all, because even though the overview may seem to describe Brian in overly glowing terms, all of it can be easily verified as factually correct from multiple reliable sources by simply searching his name. I did list several references as well, which verify his activities at various stages of his life. If the article needs improvement, I am quite happy to do that. I will review the guide, since this is my first article. However, could you please re-instate this article in draft form, so that I can access it and continue to work on it. Any suggestions you have would be appreciated. Also, I thought I had declared that I was close to Brian, which may represent a conflict of interest, but I thought I had written the article from a neutral perspective, if not, that can be improved as well. Best regards, Mechater — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mechater (talk • contribs) 20:32, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Undeleted. You can now see in the page history who tagged it and why, and perhaps discuss the issues with them.  – Athaenara  ✉  00:38, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Articles with web archive as source
→  in re: 

I have seen many articles sources as archive's websites, why would you draft article rejected based on that (for draft:DIYCNC)CrestLit (talk) 06:22, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I undeleted the page, perhaps you'll be able to resolve the issues with any other editors who questioned whether the topic merits an encyclopedia article. – Athaenara  ✉  09:02, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Draft:Carly Wilford
→  in re: (AfD),   →  see also:, user 

Hi Athaenara, I wanted to start a draft for a DJ and presenter named Carly Wilford who has a long history as a presenter and has been also making a name for herself as a producer. Her singles have been getting a lot of streams and press. I was surprised that she didn't already have a page as lot of my friends in the dance music world have been talking about her. I was about to draft a page but saw this notice, "A page with this title has previously been moved or deleted. If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the user(s) who performed the action(s) listed below"

I'm not sure what was exactly written, but does say 'Unambiguous advertising or promotion.' The info and sources that I have outline her career and success with significant coverage and reliable sources like the BBC, DJ Mag and Mixmag. Would it be alright for me to add compeltely new content to the draft page?

Thank you for your time and attention to this. Tlatzotzontli (talk) 10:37, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * As you can see, someone using that name wrote pages which were tagged and deleted as spam as far back as 2017. If the subject is notable (specifically per WP:MUSICBIO in this case), there is no reason a good encyclopedia article cannot be written about her which adheres to all our standard guidelines for neutral tone and citing independent reliable sources.  – Athaenara  ✉  11:06, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response and guidance. I will take another look at WP:MUSICBIO to make sure those requirements are met. Tlatzotzontli (talk) 18:35, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. – Athaenara  ✉  20:54, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

You deleted my sandbox page
→  in re:  →  see also:, , 

Why did you delete my sandbox page, Athaenara? Maybe deleting pages are that fun but common, my own sandbox page? Please get me up back. Thanks. Pete Is Black (talk) 07:47, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I can't see now why I did, it must have been a mistake. – Athaenara  ✉  08:24, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see now the Darmo Art promotional edits in its history. – Athaenara  ✉  09:16, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Hossein Mohammadi Vahidi
→  in re:, , 

Hello. I wanted to know why you deleted this article? New resources and a new award have been added to this article, which proves the reputation. What is the reason for this?--Jackpet11 (talk) 17:50, 19 April 2021 (UTC)


 * It was tagged G4 for:
 * WP:CSD as previously deleted per Articles for deletion/Hossein Mohammadi Vahidi
 * WP:CSD as created by a user blocked per Sockpuppet investigations/Hesamlv (yours is one of the accounts being investigated)
 * WP:CSD as unambiguous advertising and promotion (WP:SPAM)
 * WP:CSD as a copyright violation of www.mohammadivahidi.com/about/
 * The primary reason from my point of view is that it was spam. – Athaenara  ✉  20:46, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

I can edit the article. It was not all copying. Please be reasonable. I ask you to retrieve the article and give me another chance because it will disappoint me--Jackpet11 (talk) 04:32, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I undeleted the page once, and it was deleted again several hours later by another administrator. I'll have nothing further to do with it.  – Athaenara  ✉  05:05, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Please help me to ask which administrator to restore the page?--Jackpet11 (talk) 08:00, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * All the administrative actions are in the page log linked above. – Athaenara  ✉  08:26, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello I reconstructed the article and wrote the unique writing using the resources as well. This is on my sandbox page. Please retrieve the article so that I can edit it. Check out this new type of writing to see if it is good ?--Jackpet11 (talk) 04:51, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Recent deletion
→  in re: various autobio pages by User 

- mind also applying the same treatment to the page under discussion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Willma Gendb (the content is exactly the same, but the G11 was for some incomprehensible reason previously declined)? RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:32, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. – Athaenara  ✉  03:11, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

"Spam" links on subsections
→  in re: this edit 

FYI: including the domain of a spam link on a user talk page spam warning is one way of tracking additions of that link, so that we can easily see via this link if other users have spammed the link before. If I warn a spammer, then check the LinkSearch and see that two other users/IPs have already been warned for adding the link, then it's time to send the link to the blacklist. OhNo itsJamie Talk 17:20, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Request for creating Draft:Emiway Bantai
→  in re: pages discussed in User talk:Athaenara/Archive 13 and User talk:Athaenara/Archive 14  →  see also: (AfD),  (AfD),,  

Hey Athaenara, I wanted to crate a draft article of Emiway Bantai i had reliable sources (information). Can you give me permission for it. Rawalrajendranath (talk) 11:29, 20 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I've become the wrong person to ask about this subject. It's been raised repeatedly, gotten too aggravating, and I'm not the only admin who has changed page permissions: see 2019 and 2020 discussions with logs linked above, including the activities of certain single-purpose accounts.  You can work on an article in a user sandbox, it's not necessary to change other page creation permissions for that.  – Athaenara  ✉  12:18, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Athaenara for your response. But how i send my sandbox edit for review (article). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rawalrajendranath (talk • contribs) 13:04, 20 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I took a look at WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk and particularly noticed two pieces of advice: "For questions on how to use or edit Wikipedia, visit the Teahouse" and "You may create an article at the Article wizard or request an article at requested articles."
 * You may find these and other things there helpful. – Athaenara ✉  14:07, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of page ARYS
→  in re: and  

Hello, Athaenara, you have deleted the draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ARYS due to G11, but the page is not ready and also it doesn't consist any promotional language as it's a page about a musician. Please restore the draft in order to continue my work with it.

Best wishes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prohistorian 88 (talk • contribs) 07:34, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Those two pages were nearly identical WP:SPAM and as such deleted per db-g11. – Athaenara  ✉  07:41, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

The first page was created by mistake, because I accidentally created a page under the person's real name, not the stage name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prohistorian 88 (talk • contribs) 08:03, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Eddie Turner page
→  in re:, 

Hi there, you recently deleted a page, Eddie Turner, I had submitted. I cited sources from Forbes, who wrote an entire article about him, and The Wall Street Journal, who listed him as an expert in one of their articles. I was wondering if you could un-delete that page so I could continue editing it so it is more up to the standards of Wikipedia. As well, I was also wondering how you believe it could have been more encyclopedic. I will delete anything you'd consider advertising, I just want it to be informative. CameronKozinets (talk) 19:47, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. – Athaenara ✉  21:10, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I searched for substantive WP:RS sources (finding mostly subject's website, linkedin, facebook, amazon, speakers bureau, and the like) and again agreed with User:GPL93's db-g11 tag. It had all the earmarks of a public relations publicity piece.  – Athaenara  ✉  23:40, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

socks Ariana Nabaey
→  in re: (AfD),, Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Shayan mcd 

Hello dear management If you remember Ariana Draft, which was tagged and deleted yesterday, was re-created by a user's socks. I request that you stop making this user's socks.This user seeks to create his article by making socks. Is there a way to prevent the activities of this user's socks?--Parizad (talk) 19:54, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Known socks blocked and tagged. You yourself created one of the page versions a few days ago, care to explain that?  – Athaenara  ✉  20:20, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I created the page and after checking the sources I asked to delete it and it was deleted.Did you not know about this and the next issue, I asked for the user's socks to be closed.--Parizad (talk) 20:23, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I made a mistake in creating an article and boldly requested its removal.Every user can make a mistake and must be brave enough to admit I did the same. You can see it here.--Parizad (talk) 20:25, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * OK. – Athaenara  ✉  20:27, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for addressing this issue quickly.--Parizad (talk) 20:29, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, do not be bored, I wanted to inform you that the User:Hkhodadad AND User:Hkhodadad/Sample page user socks are Ariana users.--Parizad (talk) 06:42, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Howdy
Hi. You might find this interesting; you had left them a note about suspected socking. I can't parse what is going on there. --- Possibly (talk) 08:21, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Barry Aycock - Article Deletion
→  in re: (AfD),  

Hi-

Can you offer some more insight on the deletion of this article? This article was removed once before back in the spring, but was un-deleted by the administrator who deleted it after I was able to remove information that was not citied, and added several supporting articles. Can you please offer some correspondence?

Thanks! Zachhedrick (talk) 16:05, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Athaenara-

Is there any chance you have a moment to take a look at this? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zachhedrick (talk • contribs) 18:58, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I looked at it. As noted in the AfD months ago, the subject's notability is insufficient for an encyclopedia article.  Do you have an undeclared conflict of interest here, and/or have you perhaps been paid to produce an article about him?  – Athaenara  ✉  19:14, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, thank you for your reply. I am a friend of the subject of the article, but am not being compensated to publish the article. The article was published for nearly one year prior to its deletion. After it was deleted, the previous user who removed it reinstated after additional articles were supplied. The last deletion mentioned that the link was broken as their reason for removal - I checked and it is still active. Is there anything I can do to further assist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zachhedrick (talk • contribs) 19:47, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * No, I don't make a habit of easing the way for people who want to write about their friends on Wikipedia. And please sign your posts on talk pages.  – Athaenara  ✉  19:56, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, not a friend writing about a friend on Wikipedia. Other articles I've contributed do I have absolutely zero association with the subject. My words were not included on the article in question, all was cited from multiple credible sources. Definitely not asking for any special favor here, but would most certainly appreciate your consideration on restoring the page. If you'll take a look, you'll see each source is independent. I really appreciate your time. – Zachhedrick — Preceding undated comment added  03:20, 10 June 2021‎ (UTC)

Deletion of article: Bighneswar Satapathy
→  in re:, 

Hello I am Amrut and I have just started the venture into Wikipedia. Re ently you deleted an article that I created. Can you tell me more about the guidelines I seem to be lost . Amrut Mohan Das (talk) 10:16, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Your subject must satisfy the WP:MUSICBIO requirements, the first point being that he must have been "the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself." – Athaenara  ✉  10:40, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Article: Najeeb Kanthapuram
→  in re: (AfD) 

Why have you deleted the article Najeeb Kanthapuram recently? You says it was due to G4 but that article was deleted before the announcement of the recent election results. He is a politician in power right now. After the results the page was created by another admin and was confirmed by many admins. I hope he has the eligibility for an article in Wikipedia.Adelkth (talk) 13:17, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Restored. – Athaenara  ✉  17:54, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Article: Solita (company)
→  in re: (deletion review),  

Hello! Yesterday you deleted an article about Solita because of "G11. Unambiguous advertising or promotion". The documentation says that "This applies to pages that are exclusively promotional and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to serve as encyclopedia articles, rather than advertisements. If a subject is notable and the content could plausibly be replaced with text written from a neutral point of view, this is preferable to deletion." So even though you think it is promotional it should not be deleted as the subject is notable. "A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." There were 42 references on the article and only 2 of them were company internal. There's also a Wikipedia article about the company in Finnish, started on 2010. So could you restore the article and help me to understand which parts of the article were too promotional?Jjanhone (talk) 05:13, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

An early version of the article is on my sandbox I was editing it after that but cannot reach it anymore.Jjanhone (talk) 05:23, 8 June 2021 (UTC) An editor has asked for a deletion review of Solita (company). Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjanhone (talk • contribs) 10:36, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Deletion review for Solita (company)

The company probably is marginally notable. Many companies that hire paid editors are marginally notable, and many companies that we never heard of are marginally notable. However, hiring a paid editor and then continuing to work too hard at getting an article accepted is a way to reduce the likelihood of being the subject of an article to very nearly zero. Most companies that hire paid editors, or that task one of their employees to submit articles, would be better off to pay for web site design, because a company has nearly complete control of what it can say on its own web site (with the exception that it isn't allowed to make fraudulent or libelous claims, etc.). But some companies won't listen. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:04, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Solita (company)

Ali R. Jaber
→  see also: Articles for deletion/Ali R. Jaber 

Hello, First I would like to congratulate you on your many contributions to Wikipedia. As a long time member and an administrator I ask if you could please give me advice and guidance. I am a Lebanese journalist and I am also a new editor on Wikipedia. I decided to become an editor so I can create articles and edit articles about notable Lebanese figures. I am also planning to write a book about every notable Lebanese person who has ever existed. My name is Tony and I am originally from Jounieh, Lebanon. Upon doing research, I noticed that an article about a Lebanese figure who lives in the United States was put into deletion after publication. I did some research and noticed there is nothing promotional about the article whatsoever. I also noticed many American news references on the talk page. I would really like your expertise and guidance on this matter as I am new to Wikipedia and I do not know much about how things happen here. I did noticed that the person whom nominated the article for deletion did it without reasoning and this is why I would like your expertise on the matter. I was planning on publishing my own article about a notable Lebanese person next week, however after seeing what happened with this article and how it was nominated for deletion without much reason, I lost motivation on writing my own article. I just do not want to put in the time and effort and then have the article deleted just because the person whom the article is about is Lebanese. Thank you so much for your time and expertise. Tony A. Al-halab Lebtimes 15:36, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Greetings
 * Read Don't bludgeon the process. – Athaenara  ✉  17:37, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Deletion
Howdy. Could you wave your speedy deletion wand here? Also, what is the best route for dealing with children creating articles with personal details?--- Possibly (talk) 01:56, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Someone else took care of the page. As to the wider issue, I have experience as a parent but none as an attorney specializing in protecting children's interests.  I'd post my concern on a forum such as WP:AN to start.  – Athaenara  ✉  07:44, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Both Guidance for younger editors and Child protection seem to apply. – Athaenara  ✉  07:56, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

You deleted my article, Uba Alfred Michael
→  in re: 

Hello, you deleted my article with the draft name, Uba Alfred Michael. I added some references from verified African publishers.. You can check for them. It's very important that you undo the deletion. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Portharcourt Specials (talk • contribs) 06:07, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

BookMyShow Page Deletion
→  in re:, 

Hi Athaenara

Hope you are doing well. Please can you tell me the reason for BookMyShow page deletion. I have tried to maintain all possible Wikipedia guidelines. Please can you highlight a few changes so I ca take it ahead? Shruti12111998 (talk) 07:59, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The page you wrote was not an encyclopedia article but the sort of lengthy and self-congratulatory discourse about itself that a company would display on its own website. This is not terribly surprising, as they paid you to write it.  My only advice is: don't do it.  – Athaenara  ✉  08:16, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

You deleted my article:- Eleonu
→  in re:,  →  see also: Wikipedia:Help desk#How do I find the content of a delated page 

Hello Athaenara, My name is Eleonu - I am new to Wikipedia. I am sorry if I am once again doing the wrong thing. I posted my Autobiography on my Wikipedia and it was deleted by Athaenara a few days ago. I didn't know one wasn't allowed to write about themselves. I am sorry for that.

I wasn't able to save my article before it was deleted. Please kindly send me a copy of the deleted content to my registered email address.

Thank you. Eme Eleonu Eleonu (talk) 08:42, 16 June 2021 (UTC).
 * I restored the deleted revisions, so you can copy the parts you want elsewhere. When you're done, you can tag it for db-u1 deletion.  – Athaenara  ✉  11:55, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Athaenara. I looked but I can not find it. Kindly give me a link to where I can copy it. Sorry. Eleonu (talk) 09:10, 17 June 2021 (UTC).
 * it's at the top of this section with a little arrow in front of it, links for the page, its history, the logs, etc. – Athaenara  ✉  09:34, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

deletion of my article:- Draft:Vikash Kumar Tiwary
→  in re: 

Hello Athaenara, Hope you are doing well. I am new to Wikipedia and hence made mistake while creating my page. I have tried to maintain all possible Wikipedia guidelines. I want to change the contents which is not according to Wikipedia guidelines. Please help me to get deleted page content back because I wasn't able to save my article before it was deleted. Please kindly help me.

Thank You! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vikash.fssai (talk • contribs) 11:37, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I do not know how there can be anyone left who still thinks Wikipedia is a place to advertise themselves or post their résumés. It isn't.  It's an encyclopedia.  – Athaenara  ✉  13:50, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Vector Risk Management
→  in re: 

Hey, I just started Wikipedia two days ago, and haven't gotten a full understanding of the guidelines yet. I have created an article, but it may have contained some promotion of some kind. I understand why you may have deleted it, and I have tried to change it, but after i published the revised version, there was an error of some sort, and i was not able to recover my page. I think it may have been deleted while i was doing my thing. and since i haven't saved it, i haven't been able to recover it. i have looked at other talks on this page, and went to history, logs, but couldn't find it there. could you kindly help me by getting my deleted page, or the code? thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomato3141592 (talk • contribs) 09:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * deletion of my page:- Draft: Vector Risk Management


 * RE: Draft:Vector Risk Management and associated SPI

Since you were the deleting and blocking admin, I'm just letting you know that an SPI was started after Draft:Vector Risk Management was created a staggering 4th time. Curbon7 (talk) 11:45, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Minodh de Sylva
→  in re:, 

Hi. I have removed all the promotional wording and made it more encyclopedic. But as soon as I did that, I saw the article has been deleted. So, if I remade the article, what will happen? Because, the person is a notable business person in South Asia. He has won many international awards and accolades. So I think, I can make the article again in encyclopedic tone. your suggestions?? Thank You. Gihan Jayaweera talk 16:15, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It started out as a puff piece, not an encyclopedia article, then after it was tagged for deletion per db-g11 and db-a7 you took out what you saw as the most promotional material without improving it significantly. The career of the guy you were writing about was/is in marketing and the piece you wrote appears to indicate that it's your field too.  – Athaenara  ✉  12:10, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * So if I create the article back, can you move it as a Draft?? Also, I will remove that awards in prose and only cite in the summary table. Is it ok? Because, I think the remaining only promotional-like part is that award section. What do you think? Gihan Jayaweera talk 18:52, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi again. Sorry to bother you. I have created the article again and removed almost half of the wording that you said as "promotional". Now I think it is passing Wikipedia notability guidelines. Thank You. Gihan Jayaweera talk 08:35, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Request to undelete Da Great for corrections
→  in re:, , (AfD) 

Hello, i'd like you you to give me another chance so we can make some edits and correction together on my content Da Great you deleted. thanks Oklo Adiga (talk) 20:36, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You should have stopped after the first AfD. – Athaenara  ✉  00:46, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Oops my bad, i did'nt know. what can we do about it now? 102.91.5.32 (talk) 04:01, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of ROUND Methodology
→  in re:, 

Hello, I understand why you would delete the draft, but I do not think it cannot be edited to match Wikipedia standards, and I will take more time in preperation. Is it possible if you'd reconsider? If it's also for the account name, I had a wrong misunderstanding on how wiki accounts work and thought of creating it like this as I had planned to write multiple pages as practice under the same organization. --Cglobalc (talk) 06:52, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * All your edits since you registered in 2008 have been pure spam advertising your company. You should have been blocked for that before; you're blocked now.  – Athaenara  ✉  07:07, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Albums
Hello, I don't really understand how all the articles are promotional? I sourced them didn't I? Yes, there is no article on a band, but I am not a biography type of guy. I wrote articles on notable albums, half of which are now in waste. I wonder why a sourced (and I mean reliably sourced) article should be deleted???? Metal.de, Pitchfork, Blabbermouth.net, Brave Words & Bloody Knuckles, are all reliable sources.--Filmomusico (talk) 02:16, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Flying Blind (Band)
→  in re:, see also User talk:FlyingBlindOfficial 

Hello! I was creating a page (Flying_Blind_(Band)), and, being new to this whole thing, was working on it slowly. Is it possible to recover the work I had done so I can try again with more information/sources/articles? Or if there is something else I need to do, I'm more than happy to do that as well. =)

Thank you very much! Funny Drummer (talk) 04:48, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't undelete db-G11 spam and db-G12 copyvios, nor do the hard working people over at Requests for undeletion, but you can try Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to provide copies of deleted articles. – Athaenara  ✉  05:31, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Alright. I don't really understand which part was spam, and the image provided was one I worked on personally, with all permissions to do so. =) Thank you for the direction, I'll try to speak to that department. ^_^ Funny Drummer (talk) 05:37, 16 July 2021 (UTC)


 * as multiple folks have told you, you cannot copy/paste text from outside sources. Besides being a copyright violation, it's promotional in tone and not encyclopedic. Star   Mississippi  13:42, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Ah, ok I see. Someone provided me a link from allmusic and I didn't know that was where the description was from. I got it from a handwritten page of notes about the band from a central valley historian. Apologies. I'll try again without that stuff. As for it sounding promotional, I don't know what in the description was promoting anything, but I'll do my best to keep that as to the point as possible too. Thanks for the help. Funny Drummer (talk) 02:59, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:MUSICBIO provides good pointers. – Athaenara  ✉  03:49, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Article: Carolina Public Press
→  in re: 

Without giving me time to address the items that were cited incorrectly or adding references, you deleted my article. I am a director at Carolina Public Press and the page was a work in progress. The material cited as "copyrighted" is from our website and being used as the basis for our new Wikipedia page. I would happily edit this page but now you have deleted it. I appreciate your consideration to restore this page so I may address the issues that are in violation. Also, per the guidelines on our webste, we allow news organizations and bloggers to freely use our content (except for photos and graphics) without permission. Eacconcia (talk) 12:44, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Copyright set aside, it could have been removed for blatant promotional text: "Our award-winning, breakthrough journalism dismantles barriers and shines a light on the critical overlooked and under-reported issues facing our state’s 10.2 million residents." In addition, Eacconcia, you need to read WP:COIDISCLOSE and properly declare your conflict of interest. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 16:21, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I would also add that copyright cannot be set aside. Any content published on Wikipedia needs to comply with the CC-BY-SA licence, which allows commercial use, as your licence appears not to do, and does not allow the licence-holder to withdraw permission, as your licence appears to do. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:34, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

For recovery of deleted page
→  see also: Articles for deletion/Sangramsingh Thakur 

Hey Athaenara, let me know that how to recover deleted Wikipedia page. Page name was "Sangramsingh Thakur". --ForArtist (talk) 15:36, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Article mistakes
→  in re:,  →  see also: Commons:User talk:RajFatehpur 

20:55, 17 July 2021 Why my article was deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RajFatehpur (talk • contribs)
 * You were advertising yourself (or someone whose name you are using). That is not what Wikipedia is for: this is an encyclopedia.  – Athaenara  ✉  23:45, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

User sandbox deleted
→  in re: 


 * deleted page User:Vismit 12345/sandbox (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion)

Dear Athaenara,

You have deleted or tagged my page due to the 'G11' Clause. However, I followed the encyclopedic guidelines and used other similar existing pages as references to create this page. Please let me know how I can improve this page and which specific clauses you feel were unambiguously promoting anything? There was a list of courses offered, there was the reason why this government university was built, and the different eligibility criteria for certain courses. The governance structure is a fact as the legislative assembly was the one that passed an article to create this particular university. I would be really glad if we could work together and resolve this issue at the earliest.

Best, Vismit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vismit 12345 (talk • contribs) 07:33, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * What you wrote looked like what a school might post on its own website, it was not by any stretch of the imagination a neutral, well-referenced, encyclopedia article. – Athaenara  ✉  09:55, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi! Could you please tell me how I should make it 'neutral'? The setting up of the university was an established fact by the government. Moreover, lists of the courses are extremely factual, on websites people usually find course descriptions. Kindly do suggest other edits I can make to make it more encyclopedic and less 'website' oriented? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vismit 12345 (talk • contribs) 10:46, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

W A Sunshine
→  in re: 


 * I want to create a page on W A Sunshine a musical artist group

Can I will create a page on W A Sunshine. Please reply " Yes" to create page or Say "No" to don't create it. Because I don't want deleted my page after I create. Thanks Your Truly Princess Jane Katie Princess Jane Katie (talk) 07:01, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * to avoid deletion, a page about a music group must, at minimum, satisfy the requirements spelled out in WP:MUSICBIO. – Athaenara  ✉  07:38, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Repeatedly created draft
→  in re:, see also User talk:Mihimatha Thorathuru 

Hi, I noticed that you deleted Draft:Mihimatha Thorathuru (Sri Lankan YouTube Channel). It has been recreated by the same user for the third time (with the exact same content, I think), so could you salt the page? Zoozaz1 talk 02:01, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Note that has tagged it for salting. Zoozaz1</b> <b style="color: #fffb00">talk</b> 02:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It may need salting, but for now the single purpose account that repeatedly created it is blocked. – Athaenara  ✉  03:00, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of article on SNSKR
→  in re:, 

SNSKR is a producer from India and he had got a knowledge panel on Google and as he got his panel he should be on some other knowledge sites too. So his article should not be deleted he got some talent to show and the world should know about some teenaged artists. Sanskar 135 (talk) 02:37, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Elia Rose
→  in re: 

Hi Athaenara, I've just seen the message on my page about this deletion. WaddlesJP13 told me that a user called Eliarosemusic added false modifications and pictures without permission in the article. So it detected as spam and deleted. Do you think that it could be possible to restore the page that I created excluding any revisions by Eliarosemusic and any that were made after their edits? Best regards, Isacre (talk) 19:27, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't see that Elia Rose's notability is sufficient per WP:MUSICBIO. She "made a lot of covers" and didn't win The Voice Belgique.  There's nothing remarkable there.  – Athaenara  ✉  20:11, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion Syntechno
→  in re: 

Hello Athaenara, You deleted the article Syntechno on the due to the 'G11'. This was the second version, which I completely rewrote in order to remove all signs of advertising, and added only the facts in an encyclopedic way. This article was written in exactly the same way as other companies from the list of laboratory diamond manufacturers (example, Apollo Diamond Gemesis Scio Diamond Technology Corporation )and it seems to me that the removal of the only large company from Russia looks at least strange. It is made according to the same encyclopedic templates as other articles (despite the fact that in other articles there are much more advertising texts). I am not exaggerating its importance, but this company is one of the largest in the country and the only public company in Russia supported by the government (as indicated in 9 authoritative sources). Could you explain exactly what things seemed to you to be advertising, and whether it is necessary to create a new version? Best regards, Igor erferger (talk) 08:23, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not at all obvious why it might not be considered to qualify for db-g11 deletion, but for now I undeleted it so more adims may see it. (Remember that, as the creator of the page, you are not to remove that deletion tag yourself.)  – Athaenara  ✉  09:18, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Recreation
→  in re: (AfD),  

Hi @Athaenara, Hope you're well. You've deleted a page Kiran Dutta on 5 July 2019. I wanna recreate this page. So how can I do this? Waiting for your reply! Thanks. ➤  Tajwar – thesupermaN!  【Click to Discuss】  15:03, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

KingLexaGod
→  in re: (deletion review) 

My article was deleted. The article was about a real person, whose on several websites and social media platforms, and even a social media influencer. I wrote the article for those reasons because I figured she should have a page here. Everyone else does. I would want the page to be brought back. I wasn't able to contest because the page was gone before I could have a chance. Please bring the page back. If anything needs to be fixed or improve on, let me know instead of getting rid of it outright. All links and references are correct. Please talk to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Letsgetgoing (talk • contribs) 16:54, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * 's courteous 02:52, 30 August 2021 (UTC) message on your talk page clearly explained why the page was tagged for deletion. – Athaenara  ✉  17:28, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Can we bring it back? Its not spam or anything like that. It is legit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Letsgetgoing (talk • contribs) 17:41, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * 'Everyone else does' doesn't mean that THIS article needs one too. The issues with the page were brought to your attention on your talk page, where the notice for speedy deletion was put. It described the reasons I nominated the article for deletion: It read like an advertisement, and that the article does not give a reason why the subject is important. In fact, that same notice is still on your talk page and will continue to be there unless you decide to take it down yourself. WhoAteMyButter  ( 📨talk │ 📝contribs ) 19:33, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Please, it shouldn't be deleted. It's not spam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Letsgetgoing (talk • contribs) 18:59, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Now at Deletion review/Log/2021 August 31. —Cryptic 08:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Restoring Deleted Page Maldives Transport & Contracting Company
→  in re:, 

Hi Athaenara, could you please restore the page Maldives Transport & Contracting Company and advice me on the portion which needs to be corrected. I ensure that all instructions will be duely complied. I already edited many areas before you deleted this page. Thank you. Mohamed Mailan (talk) 06:11, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I won't get involved in the technicalities of article improvement, other than one observation: the images are far too large.  Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images may have more information than you need, but at least understand and use the thumbnail format.  – Athaenara  ✉  06:53, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

About speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Alex Van Gelder
→  in re: 

Hello! You have decided to "speedy delete" the new article Alex Van Gelder I have written about this artist. I am little suprised about this… Notice that I am note Alex Van Gelder; after discovering and like his original work and notice that there was no information about him, I thought it was suitable to collect information about him and publish an article on Wikipedia. I know that I have made at less two mistakes : - I have created a new account not in reference with my personal name but with the first article I have projected to write… whereas I will probably publish other articles about other artists not present on Wikipedia. - I have also probably associated to much external links, not enough internal links and references; I thought that I will be able to ajust this after the first publication. I will really appreciate if you will be able to guide me to finally suceed to publish this article… What is the good way? - Cancel all and re-start at the beginning: create a new account, rewrite a new draft, etc.? - Or, is there a more simple way to restore and adjust the work done and publish it again with corrections? Thank you very much for help — I'm also here to learn! — and I hope there is a simple way to solve the problem… --AvGnet (talk) 13:04, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Christian Speck and copyvio
→  in re: 

Hi Athaenara, thanks for speedying the draft I declined. Since I'm new to reviewing, would you mind clarifying whether it met the criteria for G12 (since G11 was the given deletion reason)? I wasn't sure how much close paraphrasing was permitted but wanted to be cautious. Thanks! JoelleJay (talk) 01:42, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * There was nothing wrong with the G12 tagging. I often add G11 to such deletions because they so often are that.  – Athaenara  ✉  01:54, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you! JoelleJay (talk) 02:38, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem, you're welcome. – Athaenara ✉  02:44, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

→  see also: 
 * Deletion of Draft:Christian Speck

Hi Athaenara. Could you please restore Draft:Christian Speck so that I can make the necessary changes to it that address the G11 and G12 tags? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YosDav (talk • contribs) 22:45, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No. Who's paying you to get that guy a Wikipedia page?  or are you one of his students/employees?  – Athaenara  ✉  23:11, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. I am not being compensated.  I know the person and sought his approval to create a Wikipedia page for him.  I am neither his student nor employee, but we have worked together.  Everything in the page is factual and verifiable, and he is notable in his profession and area of research.  If the page is too promotional, I can tone it down so that it is more neutral, befitting of an encyclopedia entry.  I can also easily address the G12 tagging.  I don't have a backup, so, please, could you reconsider restoring the page, if not to the drafts section, then to my sandbox, where it was saved before one of the editors moved it to drafts when I submitted it.  Alternatively, if it is possible, you can send it to my e-mail account. YosDav (talk) 00:15, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I won't, but you could save time by going directly to Requests for undeletion. – Athaenara  ✉  00:29, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmm, they say it's not for G11 or G12. You could try Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to provide copies of deleted articles.  – Athaenara  ✉  00:34, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the link. I contacted one of the administrators on the page, and she is unwilling to provide a copy of a draft tagged with G11 or G12.  I had the impression from my conversation with her that the other administrators listed would also reject my undelete request for the same reason.  I will rewrite the article.  As I said previously, the G12 tagged by the reviewer is easy to address.  The G11, however, is, in my opinion, debatable.  It would be helpful if you could explain to me why you feel the draft warranted a G11 tagging.  I used https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(academics) as a guideline and the academic infobox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_academic), which I completed in detail.YosDav (talk) 15:43, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Gal Yosef
→  in re:, 

Hello Athaenara, I dont understand why did you delete the draft shortly after it was restored and again I cannot see it and do anything. If you delelte it since Im paid editor than I believe this is wrong since I disclosed it and although you wrote you felt I needed a reminder, I dont because I followed all the rules and edit the draft with solid sources. I would like to get a fair chance althoug Im paid because Yosef is not a minor artisit and I place many reliable sources on the draft. Can you please first restore it so I can have the text and explain why you believe its advertising when its not different from other artisit pages? I will note yet again that I can edit and change and always happy to hear opnions! I did all the checks and I think the draft isnt getting a fair chance and look. If you need me to escalte this since you cannot, please tell me what to do since I want to do it right and not step on anyone's toes. ברטוביניו (talk) 15:01, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, when am I not getting any reply? ברטוביניו (talk) 07:06, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You have been advertising your client and you've been told that this encyclopedia doesn't welcome it. This is not news to you.  My concern is not you, what you want, or what your client wants, my concern is this encyclopedia and its standards of notability and sourcing.  – Athaenara  ✉  08:43, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Athaenara, first of all, im not advertising and the draft is not advertising. If it would, it wont be in a netural point of view as well as Gal probably wouldnt be getting awards, sold of 1 million dollar and have so many articles about him including vouge. Adding to that, it is ok to be a paid editor as long as you follow the guidlines and declare - which I have done both. Please show me where you see advertising and why is Gal not worth of being included in Wiki? did you read the draft before you deleted it following my edits? ברטוביניו (talk) 14:39, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Bernadette Atuahene
→  in re:, ,  →  see also:, , , user 

Hi, you deleted a draft that I requested to be userfied. Can you please restore it so I can edit it to meet Wiki's guidelines? The biggest issues for self-promotion seemed to be the direct links and cites to the professor's website. I plan to remove them. As for the COI flag, I am not being compensated by Professor Atuahene in any capacity (neither money or academic credit). I have never met Professor Atuahene in-person. Thank you. Aequitas217 (talk) 16:50, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You need to understand that what you have written is a résumé, a CV, not an encyclopedia article. – Athaenara  ✉  00:23, 26 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Is it an issue with the subsections that makes it read like a resume? Because I drafted this by copying the structure of other published biographical articles, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Bell. Or is it strictly a tone issue? Thanks. Aequitas217 (talk) 17:54, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Re-creating the same spam which was previously deleted in user space and in draft space is not acceptable. – Athaenara  ✉  18:27, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I incorporated the feedback that the sources needed to be secondary sources and I confirmed the structure and tone was similar to another published biographical article (Coral Bell). I am happy to revise if you provide me with biography model. Thank you!Aequitas217 (talk) 19:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You say that, but if there was any meaningful difference between what had been previously deleted and your re-creation it was too small to detect. – Athaenara  ✉  00:44, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Fundamental Global (company)
→  in re:  →  see also: 

Where in the page Fundamental Global (company) have I broken the neutral tone? I was taken by surprise when the page was nominated for speedy deletion! I need the deleted content to recreate the page and fix what the administrator thought should be fixed. I was told to contact you. SX3001 (talk) 13:58, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The page you wrote looked like what one would find upon clicking the "About us" link on the company's own website, not an encyclopedia article. – Athaenara  ✉  20:18, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * While writing the page I tried to emulate a similar published article about a company operating in the same industry (Point72 Asset Management). I am more comfortable writing about people than organizations at the moment, because it is only my second attempt writing about a company. Should I move the empty page now back to draftspace, work on it, while trying to get feedback from reviewers and administrators? Any other guidance will be appreciated? SX3001 (talk) 20:47, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not an expert at shepherding people through the new article process, my own view is that if you work on it at all it should be in your user sandbox space. – Athaenara  ✉  20:50, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * By the way, didn't you study any of the detailed welcome messages on your own talk page? They seem to be liberally studded with helpful links.  For example: the Teahouse and the articles for creation help desk.  – Athaenara  ✉  20:56, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I did and I posted in the Teahouse seeking help a couple of times. In any case, I appreciate your guidance. I will rewrite the article. SX3001 (talk) 21:21, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Republishing on John Franek
→  in re: (AfD) (RfU)  →  see also: users Iamgettingveryfrustrated10666 (talk), Alibouv (talk), Gongfong2021 (talk) 

Hello. I had specifically shown that I was being paid to make the draft for John Franek. I was abiding by all regulations of article creation and was TRYING to put as many objective sources as possible in. I would appreciate that you correspond with me before deleting the article entirely. Please revert the draft deletion and engage in dialogue immediately. I would be more than willing to provide you with the links and articles that valorize his position within the field of composition. Please reach out to me. It is not promotional at all, as John Franek is a world renown composer. Also, the other account [while being made by me a LONG time ago] did make an article for Franek but it was shoddy and poorly done. Please talk with me and I will show you why John Franek is justified for an article and why more work is necessary to ensure that the article is accepted.

You seem to have a habit of deleting drafts that fall under G11. My article does NOT fall under G11 and I was attempting to show that if you would give me the time of day to actually FINISH MY EDITS.

It is not badgering and I would like a discussion made to reinstate my draft.

JohnDVandevert (talk) 02:22, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Wrong Draft Reversion

Hello. You seem to have restored the wrong one. The one that was originally there is the correct one, as it had biographical information from copious sources. Please restore the one that was there prior to your deletion. That version took DAYS, and I mean days to find sources talking about his childhood. Please just revert it back to what it was before you got involved and I will add more important sources. What you have done is essentially delete work I cannot undo because I no longer have the sources, except for the draft that was there before you got involved.

Please just go back to the draft that was there before your involvement.I am quite literally begging you, as I don't have time or the mental fortitude to find all the sources and write the biographical section again. I know my other draft is there somewhere and it existed before you deleted it. I was going to work on it tonight, but now it's all gone because of your deletion. This is why people leave Wikipedia. I put hard work into writing that biographical section AND IT'S GONE.

Thank you very much for getting involved, all the work I put into creating a full biography is gone if you don't restore the other version.


 * Please listen to me

I know the other version exists there somewhere. PLEASE I AM BEGGING YOU, restore the other version. It is what you want, a more objective and fuller article. I CANNOT REWRITE IT, SO I WILL HAVE TO EVENTUALLY GIVE UP. This is very disheartening and I want to cry. I am so desperate to have the other version back. Please, help me.


 * Why do you not care?

I am unsure why you don't care that I put weeks of work into a draft that you deleted in seconds? Don't you have any compassion for the work that I did that you just so quickly deleted? At least send me a screenshot so I can write down the work that I did. Please, ANYTHING. I just need to see the words so I can use them again.


 * PLEASE

I know the version is there, all you have to do is restore it or send me the words or SOMETHING. PLEASE, I AM BEGGING YOU. I AM FUCKING HOPELESS, PLEASE GIVE ME BACK MY OLD DRAFT. I WILL DO ANYTHING. PLEASE.

JohnDVandevert (talk) 02:42, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

You're mean. I'm glad I got my work back in some capacity, but you're mean. I hope you find joy in some small way, but know that a person out in the world has suffered immense, mental strain because of you. I broke out in tears and I haven't cried in years. I am quite literally shaking and I will have to decompress. You're just plain mean.

JohnDVandevert (talk) 02:42, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry you had to deal with this, Athaenara. This is 10 times the volume of the message I received. You didn't sign up for this. John has been given an enforced break from editing for a week. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 04:24, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yea, thanks for the support, it was a real relief to see somebody's very well-timed one-week block lowered on him too. – Athaenara  ✉  05:21, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The irony is that you accommodated his request but when you are impatient and demanding, instead of approaching people with a simple request, you end up getting blocked and not being able to work on the article you wanted so desperately. There has never been a time that I regretted being grateful for someone's help. It goes a long way. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 05:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Has anyone explained that we don't write promotional hagiographies here, especially for relatively unknown (unnotable?) people? Without much better sourcing, he risks an AfD nomination for lack of notability when the draft gets moved to article space. -- Valjean (talk) 00:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * That's grade-A and very economical use of language there, "promotional hagiography" was exactly what vandevert / gongfong / whatever has been straining to produce. – Athaenara  ✉  02:22, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There should be a speedy delete tag for that... -- Valjean (talk) 02:50, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Ismael Belkhayat
→  in re: (AfD),,   →  see also: Wikipedia:Teahouse#What happens in Wikipedia???, Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2021 September 18 

Hello
 * Explanation

I hope you're fine. Anyway, I'm not ! I know you're an admin here and you have obviously more experience than me, but sometimes even experienced people may commit a mistake.

I just need explanation to the deletion of the 3 pages. As the given cause doesn't make sense for me.

You just have know that I was very moivated today to create new pages, but ....

Thanks in advance--Art&#38;football (talk) 11:49, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello

I received a notification about a message you have left in my talk page but didn't find anything. Looking forward to discuss with you Sorry if you find my tone agressive. I was angry in the morning!--Art&#38;football (talk) 21:32, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Explanation 2

Hello

I hopre everything is good !

While not aiming to bother you, I'm still looking forward to read your explanation of the pages deletion. The text must be rewritten?

If the causes are convincing and prooved, that'll be cool. If not, the pages must be restored as Wikipedia rules and policies are stating.

Kind regards--Art&#38;football (talk) 12:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


 * See Wikipedia:Deletion review. – Athaenara  ✉  12:45, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm willing to monitor Ismael Belkhayat if you don't object to it being restored to draft space for improvement. I think it's salvageable if unnecessary detail and redundant sourcing were removed. The handful of sources I've looked at seem pretty good. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:02, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Al Hamra real estate pages
→  in re:, , 

You have recently deleted the page on Al Hamra Real Estate Development under speedy deletion, though the page was already reviewed by a number of moderators and it was asked to make content adjustments related to any promotional text. This was also done over a number of revisions and the remaining content was only informational. Please elaborate how the page qualified for speedy deletion and no notification has been made on my talk page or anywhere. The contribution made to Wikipedia was notable and it was amended to meet the guidelines and speedy deletion doesn't make sense when changes were already made. This needs to be explained. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sana Amjad Kiyani (talk • contribs) 07:25, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Deletion of Al Hamra Real Estate Development without any notice


 * It was a detailed advertisement, like what a company might choose to write about itself on its own website, not an encyclopedia article. – Athaenara  ✉  07:37, 22 September 2021 (UTC)


 * {{Reply to|Athaenara} No, it wasn't. Had it been a detailed advertisement, it wouldn't have been up on the Wikipedia for a few weeks. Other editors reviewed the page, let it go live and only a template to remove a few parts that deemed promotional was added to the article and those parts were removed as well. After a few weeks of it being live, you deleted it suddenly without any information and now that I have mentioned, you have created a talk page. This isn't appropriate. An article with well-researched content and details is a worthy contribution to Wikipedia so please I would like you to put the article back in its place and let the other editors & admins review it - you'll see that it doesn't qualify for speedy deletion.

Referring to the policy page of Wikipedia page, which clearly states that there has to be consensus on the deletion of the page. If the page has survived speedy deletion and content changes were made, then this deletion doesn't make sense.Sana Amjad Kiyani (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 07:18, 26 September 2021‎ (UTC)
 * (1) I looked again at the now-deleted article you wrote and my policy-based assessment above has not changed. You can read it again.  (2) The person who marked your page as reviewed may not have intended what you inferred from it, see for example User talk:Whiteguru#Concern about a review.  (3) And what does "now that I have mentioned, you have created a talk page" mean?  – Athaenara  ✉  09:36, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Mohammad El Medawar
→  in re:, 

Dear Athaenara, I understand very well your deletion of my article.

The text that I wrote is exactly the same as the text written in this Wikipedia article below https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Langston

Mr. Michael works as a professor at a university, and I work also as a lecturer in a reputable university. Mr. Michael work in research field of Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning, and I work also in the research field of the same topics. Mr. Michael has multiple publications and he mentioned only 1 reference, and also I have multiple publications and I mentioned 1 reference.

May I know why my article is deleted while the article of Mr. Michael is available online.

I'm willing to listen to you what wrong I am doing and to correct my mistakes. My ultimate goal is to have my profile published on Wikipedia.

I truly believe that my article is notable (unique), I am not advertising myself, and I have an important award, and a very notable invention in the field of education. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MohammadElMedawar (talk • contribs) 10:20, 23 September 2021 (UTC)


 * You are advertising yourself. As to the Langston article (which you are free to nominate for deletion*), that line of reasoning is known around here as WP:OTHERSTUFF (you can click on that to read it).  – Athaenara  ✉  10:45, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Someone did*: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Langston. – Athaenara  ✉  10:58, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

I didn't understand how you are considering that I am advertising for myself while I copied exactly the same paragraph as Mr. Michael and I only replaced his info with mine, and his article is published. Anyway, I definitely don't want to delete his article. Again, my ultimate goal is to have mine published successfully. What do you suggest? can you help me in writing the article? or do you know anyone who can do it for me?MohammadElMedawar (talk) 11:08, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of User:SvendKarlsen/Svend Alexander Karlsen
→  in re:  →  see also: Articles for deletion/Svend Alexander Karlsen, Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:SvendKarlsen/Hermann Hansen, Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:SvendKarlsen/Mike Haraldseth 

I understand the deletion of the pages I have created, but may I request the to get access to the material from User:SvendKarlsen/Svend Alexander Karlsen to put in my sandbox, and if not, just get access to the material as it contains all the stats from my football career? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SvendKarlsen (talk • contribs) 23:56, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

I meant like the text from the article, I can't seem to find it in the links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SvendKarlsen (talk • contribs) 00:29, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Todd Levy
Hi! Thanks for processing this CSD. Quick question on this log: why was the middle undelete needed? I don't often work in copyvio areas but want to be sure I'm not missing steps when I do. Thanks! Star  Mississippi  13:39, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Nothing to do with copyvio. I wanted to add Commons:User:Lutzt (who locally edited the bio and uploaded File:Levy_Todd09.gif) to the delete summary. – Athaenara  ✉  17:30, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Kayla Perkins
→  in re:, see also User Kayla Perkins (talk) on Wikimedia Commons 

Athaenara,

I'm the webmaster for KaylaPerkins.com and you deleted her WIKI page that her mother Michelle and Kayla herself asked me to create. I have the login info from her mother in Text. I'm 61 and have been building sites for over 35 yrs. I understand Copyright as I'm a author and screenwriter. The TEXT was "LIFTED" from her site because IT IS hers information.

I could NOT find Contest this speedy deletion BUTTON on the page because it DOES NOT EXIST! Kayla_Perkins is the page. NOTHING has ANY violations of COPYRIGHT, in fact, I GAVE CREDIT to Chris Whickers the photographer of the picture that I uploaded.

Now, would you kindly PLEASE restore the page? There's a HOLDING page now on her website as I'm in the process of building a new one which will be uploaded soon. Her mother "ASKED" me to do this for her and all the text is FROM her mother which I put on her website.

There's really no way to connect with you and I simply edited your SOURCE page to pass this message onto you.

So, please, restore the page?

Thank you Peter Borreggine WebParity dot net <- A US NAVY DISABLED VETERAN OWNED BUSINESS User:Kayla Perkins ✉  14:37, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * No. Yours is a single-purpose account with a conflict of interest, intent solely upon advertising your client. You are now blocked from editing Wikipedia.  – Athaenara  ✉  21:50, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

William Bishop (singer) again up
Hi, This page William Bishop (singer) seems to be again up. Despite getting speedily deleted many times the author didn't disclose their COI. I have tagged the page for speedy deletion but chances are the author can create it again. So, An administrator action is needed here. Thank You. Portuportu2 (talk) 11:15, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Gone, and the repeat offender finally blocked. – Athaenara  ✉  16:17, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Article deletion, WHY?
Athaenara, you also deleted my articles! What's your problem?? Are you mad or something? My articles were about companies, and you said that it was "Promoting', when there's millions of articles about companies that are promoting themselves even more! Why do you keep doing deleting mine and everyone else's pages? Do you not understand that they take a long time to write? Is your life really that boring that you just delete people's articles all day long? Get a life... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Notturn2d (talk • contribs) 04:34, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi,I was just wondering why you keep deleting my articles? I spent a lot of time writing them, for you to just delete them? The articles were about companies and you said it was "Promoting", when there are already millions of articles on wikipedia that are promoting companies! What's your problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Notturn2d (talk • contribs) 04:39, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You and User talk:Stvn22 are both blocked. – Athaenara  ✉  05:03, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

ReJews
→  in re: 

HenryMaxG here- You deleted the wiki for ReJews, a 501c3 not-for-profit org. Here it is featured on the UN site- https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/partnership/?p=11308 — Preceding unsigned comment added by HenryMaxG (talk • contribs) 13:25, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem, easy enough to undelete so other administrators can take a closer look at the situation. – Athaenara  ✉  18:01, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

A page I was formatting was deleted after a disagreement on a different edit on something unrelated. This was an attack against me. totally legitimate. please restore.


 * [list of external links redacted] – Athaenara ✉  19:33, 15 October 2021 (UTC) 

HenryMaxG (talk) 18:20, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

HenryMaxG

Simon Marginson page
→  in re: 

May I ask why my article Simon Marginson was deleted? It was stated that the article included "Unambiguous advertising or promotion". I am happy to revise the article, but may I ask why you think the article is "Unambiguous advertising or promoting"? The article was written based on objective facts and did not involve subjective comments. The page merely introduces some basic facts of a well-cited scholar in our field (with 31,400 Google Scholar cites). You might check this page. I don't see problems with having a Wikipedia article on this. In addition, there are many other similar articles that exist and have not been deleted. LiliYang edu (talk) 10:10, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you have any guidance from anyone at Wikipedia before writing that page? The first problem that leaps out is that the text is loaded with external links (ten in the first two paragraphs alone!) which as far as I can remember is strongly advised against in every beginning Wikipedia editor instructions I've seen.  The second is that the whole thing reads not like an encyclopedia article but like an academic résumé/CV, and hosting such CVs is not Wikipedia's purpose.  I would expect that some of the links Praxidicae provided in the first two messages on your own talk page would yield some of the information you need.  And what is "our field"?  How many people are using the LilyYang_edu account?  – Athaenara  ✉  10:14, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your prompt reply. I did not have any guidance from people at Wikipedia unfortunately. Thank you for your pointing out the problems. Could you help to restore the page so I can make revisions accordingly? Also, this user is only used by myself. What I said about "our field" just indicated my sense of belongingness to the research field I have been involved in in the last decade. LiliYang edu (talk) 10:23, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * So, you did not read, for example, Help:Your first article, the first helpful link bolded in the first message on your talk page. – Athaenara  ✉  10:28, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Since you're asking for help, I will tell you what you most need: experience in improving encyclopedia articles before trying to write an entire page about someone in your field whom you consider very important and about whom you have not yet achieved encyclopedic objectivity. – Athaenara  ✉  10:33, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

I did read the online guide, but I may have missed some important points. What I said was that I didn't receive any particular help from someone who is experienced with creating and editing Wikipedia pages. Will use the guidance and try to develop more experience before making revisions to this new page. As this is more about my experience, could you restore the page so I can make revisions when I am ready? Thank you. LiliYang edu (talk) 10:36, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Please Help Me!
→  in re: and User:Thefarcry (talk)  →  see also: and User:Janeallen24 (talk) 

Draft:Mike Hall (musician) There was a copyright infrigment then i 'm declined this Submission per WP:CV he is trying to trap me for suggesting it from above.Please Help Me?. Best Regards. --- ✨Lazy Maniik✨  06:20, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I've reviewed the contents of the deleted draft and could not find any copyright violations. As I would assume you know, copyright infringements consist of specific word-for-word text that has been copied. Can you please provide the text from the draft that is a copyright violation? Otherwise, this deletion may be undone. –– FormalDude  talk  06:30, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: I deleted it per db-g11 as unambiguous advertising and promotion, noting also that it had been tagged as a copyvio.  To be totally 100% clear: I did not delete it as a copyvio.  – Athaenara  ✉  06:37, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can see it. Thank you for replying to me.Best Regards.--- ✨Lazy Maniik✨  06:49, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * My mistake, I was going off of Lazy Maniik's CSD tag.
 * As far as G11, the draft does not seem to qualify for that as it looks like it would have been relatively easy to cleanup any promotional content. Athaenara, did you really think none of the content was salvageable? –– FormalDude  talk  07:15, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I did not intend to come off as "trapping" you in reference to our conversation on your talk page, . All I was looking for was clarity on what exactly was wrong with the draft, and why you did not deem it fit for inclusion. I apologize if I came off as combative in any way, I'm just trying to do my part in positively contributing to our community here on Wikipedia. Also, I would be happy to remove any information that comes off as unambiguous advertising and promotion about the subject via continued edits for an AoC resubmission. Thefarcry (talk) 07:55, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

and After thinking about this off and on for several hours, I decided to undelete it. – Athaenara ✉  12:45, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I think that's very diligent and reasonable of you. –– FormalDude  talk  19:54, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Katrin Klimova
→  see also: Sockpuppet investigations/Олег Черкасский 

Hi, I would like to know why this page was deleted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Katrin_Klimova I used neutral tone, used only facts, there was no advertisement or promotions there.... So I'm a bit baffled by it. Can you please let me know?

Thank you,

Alexis198 (talk) 10:02, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * You've been writing spam, who's paying you? – Athaenara  ✉  16:22, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

What exactly was a spam? and no one is paying me. I wrote facts that were supported by different sources that I found online.

Thank you,

Alexis198 (talk) 18:22, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * it looks like another editor has gladly taken on recreating at least two of the promo articles that this user was trying to publish (see Katrin Klimova & Ksenia Svarovski). Best, GPL93 (talk) 17:29, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry to over-ping, but I was wondering if you had any insight into how close of a resemblance there is to the two articles above and Draft:Katrin Klimova & Draft:Ksenia Svarovskikh. I'm trying to gauge whether or not an SPI should be opened. Best, GPL93 (talk) 17:41, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The time I've devoted to sockpuppet investigations is minimal so I've very little experience in that area, sorry, but I am confident in asserting that all the accounts behind these pages have been engaging in undisclosed paid editing. – Athaenara  ✉  00:39, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Un-deletion of “Poojan Kohli”
→  in re:, see also User talk:Bonbonk 

Hi,

I had noticed that the page “Poojan Kohli” was deleted by your account. I was wondering what the rationale for deletion was and how could we un-delete the page.

Thanks! Circleline10 (talk) 04:05, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Who's "we"? – Athaenara  ✉  04:17, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Merajul Islam.Meraj
They also have an undiclosed alt -. Could that be blocked as well? Pahunkat (talk) 09:49, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks: ✅. – Athaenara  ✉  09:57, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Hardik Akbari and similar pages
Sockpuppet_investigations/Scienceelectric this person has many sockpuppets on SPI wizzito  &#124;  say hello!  09:47, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Removed Article at Africa Groundnut Council
→  in re: edits to African Groundnut Council (history) 

Afternoon Atheanara. My name is bractullo and I am a history student at UK university. I submitted my first article ever to Wikipedia on history of groundnuts in The Gambia. You removed it entirely and I assumed because it was a dis ambiguous page. You have now removed my second attempt on what I presumed to be an entirely suitable page. A wiki administrator had already viewed the second attempt and found it acceptable. Can you give me feedback as to what was wrong with my first attempt at an article. Bractullo Bractullo (talk) 13:02, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * (contribs) I recommend reading Help:Your first article. – Athaenara  ✉  07:52, 29 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Africa Groundnut Council

Afternoon Atheanara: Having taken your advice and read your recommended article could I ask you to reconsider your decision to reject my article, please - I assume as you decided it was not notable. I have discussed your decision with my University Professor who vetted it before I submitted it. We also note another wiki-admin previously thought it was OK. Also it was posted on an appropriate page that defined itself as a stub and asked for additions. The thrust of my article not merely dealt with groundnuts but, as you are aware, followed the development of the groundnut from Slavery, through colonisation, decolonisation, neocolonisation to Clomate Change. I personally tried to make this transition both interesting and notable. Obviously you did not agree but I would sincerely ask you to reconsider and repost my article as I do feel, as does my professor, that it has something to offer and add to Wikipedia. Your feedback would be much appreciated. Bractullo (talk) 15:07, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * You seem to think that hijacking a pre-existing page by adding a massive amount of self-generated material is the same as writing an article. It is not.  Judging from your second message here, I suspect you still have not read the Help page I linked in my first reply.  – Athaenara  ✉  18:18, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Article deletion Haroon Kadwani
→  in re:  →  see also:, Sockpuppet investigations/Smzainmustafa 

Hi why did you deleted the page Haroon Kadwani created by some other user. Link is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haroon_Kadwani I am willing to add information and reliable sources onthis page. Please let me know how can i proceed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sherlock95 (talk • contribs) 11:09, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Can I please get a reply on this? As I am willing to create and contribute to this page titled "Haroon Kadwani" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sherlock95 (talk • contribs) 07:44, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There are four other accounts (three of which created Haroon Kadwani pages) which are blocked for sockpuppeting. Is this another one?  – Athaenara  ✉  08:00, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

No absolutely not. I am generally interested in writing about films and tv dramas and public figures associated with media industry. Just wanted to ask you why was this page deleted earlier and is there any way we can restore it. I am willing to contribute useful information regarding this actor along with authentic resources. Let me know what can be done? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sherlock95 (talk • contribs) 09:52, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to create a user sandbox (in your case that would be User:Sherlock95/sandbox) and draft an article there, following Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. I recommend reading Help:Your first article if this is the first time you've tried writing an encyclopedia article here.  – Athaenara  ✉  10:33, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Bait Al-Mashura page deleted
→  in re: 

i want to rewrite the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ibnjunaideen (talk • contribs) 07:46, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You wrote a business profile, not an encyclopedia article, so wholly appropriately tagged it for speedy db-g11 deletion.  – Athaenara  ✉  08:22, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

User:Rsamtiimpex
Page recreated two minutes after you deleted. Time for a wikislap. User already reported at WP:UAA for using company name 10mmsocket (talk) 12:35, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Now sorted. No action needed on your part. Thanks. 10mmsocket (talk) 12:45, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Undeletion of page "Shree Kshatriya Yuvak Sangh"
→  in re:, 

My page named "Shree Kshatriya Yuvak Sangh" which I created yesterday was deleted, under criteria of advertising and promotion of person but I did not created this page for any promotion or advertising. This article was about a well known social organization. I have provided multiple sources for it as you can see on the page. I didn't understand why it was deleted and why anyone things it as promotional or advertising. Please restore my page or tell me what improvement I should do in it to get it undeleted. Shanusar (talk) 06:41, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Please can you tell me clearly what is problem in page, so I can explain my side that why this page is important and why it should have a separate standalone page on Wikipedia. This page is about an organisation which is very old and well known working for society but when anyone ( I too searched) search about it there is nothing on Wikipedia about it. There are multiple media and newspapers talking about it and have mentioned it. So I am requesting you to tell me clearly what is wrong in it and what changes are required. Thanks Shanusar (talk) 14:38, 29 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I undeleted it after your first complaint here. It was deleted again by another administrator.  The notice posted on your own talk page by the editor who tagged it explains the reasons clearly.  There is also a question posted below that notice on your talk page which you should consider answering.  – Athaenara  ✉  14:51, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

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