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June 2020
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 * "If the scientists have their own Wikipedia article, as everyone on the list already does, then this is enough to satisfy notability. If red links are added, they should be very well sourced so as to indicate potential article material." Per the Teashouse-- VViking Talk Edits 21:20, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I am completely baffled by your refusal to allow Ignacio Tinoco Jr., which you have made no attempt to explain. As you must surely know, Tinoco does have his own Wikipedia article, in which you can see that he was a Member of the National Academy, that he received various prizes, was a Professor of the University of California at Berkeley, and had several distinguished students or postdoctoral fellows, such as Frances Arnold (Nobel Prize 2018), Charles Cantor and Carlos Bustamante. You haven't offered any coherent reason why you don't regard that as notable. Athel cb (talk) 05:49, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thanks for the barnstar, but if you look at the paragraph below you'll see that another administrator does not regard my edits as "great work" but instead as "vandalism".Athel cb (talk) 07:49, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Blocked for "vandalism"
I returned this morning to the page on List of Biochemists that I have been working on since 11th June, when I was surprised to see that I had been blocked, for the following reason: "You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for abuse of editing privileges. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions." It took a while to understand what my crime was, but it appears to have been that I used hyphens (1883-1970) rather than en dashes (1883–1970) in new entries or entries that previously contained birth years but not death years. I should have realized that en dashes were used (as they always are in other stuff I write, for example, for journals and books), but I thought people were using hyphens and tried to follow them. It was certainly worthwhile to point out to me that I should use en dashes, as I shall do in the future (if there is a future), but to call it vandalism is surely extreme. If you really think that the edits I have made since 11th June are not "useful contributions" then you are welcome to restore the page to the state it was in before then and I shall go away. That way you'll get rid of at least 90 giants who created the subject in the 20th century, and restore around 40 people who contributed nothing significant -- fathers of actresses, purveyors of quack remedies, etc.Athel cb (talk) 07:49, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Already a year old, but since noone apparently answered, the block log of your account is empty, meaning that a block on an IP address range (that may not have targetted you) may have affected you. If this occurs again I suggest posting an unblock request on this talk page so that an administrator may potentially apply a temporary IP block exemption for your account.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 15:06, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * I am indeed "pretty sure that the link to" J. Duncan Wood "is not likely ever to be created". If you search for "J. Duncan Wood" on the web the only relevant hits will take you straight back to Horace Alexander. Why would anyone create a page about someone who is known only for one book? They can do, of course, and it may be deemed "notable", but if it is it will be the work of a moment to enclose J. Duncan Wood in . Anyway, for the moment I don't plan to undo your undo.Athel cb (talk) 18:23, 21 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Incidetally, do we know one another? Your name seems quite familiar, and not just from Wikipedia, and I see you are located in Birmingham, where I was until 1987 (at Birmingham University)..Athel cb (talk) 18:30, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, I came here to inform you that I moved your teahouse post to the bottom because that's where new posts go and it looked like it was misplaced and did not receive any replies. Now it has done.Please do not ask editors about their real world identity or try to make connections between an editor here and any real world person you think the editor may be. If the editor has enabled email communication, you may email the editor but asking about it on-wiki is strictly prohibited. Please familiarise yourself with WP:OUTING. I know from your posts to the teahouse that you actually wish all editors went by real names, however do note that many active editors will have worked on extremely controversial articles at some point, and outing them could put their and others' life in danger in the worst case. It does not matter if you are right or wrong, making the wrong connections could get the wrong person harmed in real life. So, please consider how serious it could be and recognise that it's not just an arbitrary rule. In this case, it looks like Andy Mabbett has more or less an open identity, so probably no harm done. But I thought I'd mention it nonetheless considering the importance of the issue and your declared preference for transparency as you mentioned at the Teahouse. I would encourage you to seek permission from Andy before discussing anything they've not explicitly made public on Wikipedia. It is a good idea to use email even if it's no secret you're discussing. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:27, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Just to follow on from the above point, I've removed your last statement (regarding your username etc) out of an abundance of caution, as some folks don't realize the implications of making such statements online. If you would prefer that I leave it there so Andy can see it, please ping me so I can restore the content. Primefac (talk) 17:54, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It's OK. I'll be more careful in future. In 20 years frequenting news groups I've only rarely encountered doxing, and then only for very nasty people (which I hope I am not), and hardly ever even for them, so probably I underestimate the threat. I won't do it again. As for Pigsonthewing, if he knows me he won't have any trouble deciphering my posting name; if he doesn't he won't care. Athel cb (talk) 12:14, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

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Hugh Lamprey
Hi, thanks for your clean-up work on biologists! I see you removed Hugh Lamprey from the List of biologists on the grounds that the article on him was so short that you felt a reader could not reasonably work out what biology he did. An obituary can be found here. It seems he had various jobs, including director of the Serengeti Research Institute, got an OBE, and devised some methods of estimating game densities. There's another less useful obituary here. He also supervised Tony Sinclair (biologist), and a google search finds lots of publications referring to him or by him. Would it be possible to put him back in the list? He's clearly a biologist, and clearly did a lot of work on African ecology? In the long run, I reckon the rather short article on him could be greatly improved if anyone has the time and energy to do it, so it'd be great if the link remained. Best wishes Elemimele (talk) 17:04, 23 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I have provisionally put him back but the article needs some work. I'll see what I can do myself on the basis of the obituaries and of Web of Science.  Athel cb (talk 09:03, 24 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I've tried to do this, but it needs more. Do you know of someone who can help (or can you do it yourself?)?  Athel cb (talk) 09:27, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

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List of Fields Medal winners by university
List of Fields Medal winners by university affiliation is important for many reasons. Fields Medal page already has a list of Field Medalists. The list provides information on Fields Medalists and their academic affiliations. The page is also linked with many university pages. For instance, the lead of Harvard and Princeton universities states that Harvard has 18 Fields Medalists and Princeton has 16 Fields Medalists; the information is on the basis of this list. Can you re-think your "vote" on Articles for deletion/List of Fields Medal winners by university affiliation? Ber31 (talk) 10:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

I would recommend you keep these kind of discussions to the AfD discussion page where others can participate. I don’t think it’s good practice to individually ask editors to revise their vote seems to be WP:MERCY. Vladimir.copic (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Deleting an outdated Notice
In the article on Zena Werb (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zena_Werb) there is a Living Person notice, but she is not a living person. I haven't found a way to remove it. Athel cb (talk) 16:27, 5 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Three helpful people at the Teahouse helped me to deal with it. Thanks to them.  Athel cb (talk) 18:44, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

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Splitting non-coding vs Junk DNA
In case you'd not seen it, I've added some notes at the end of this section: Talk:Non-coding_DNA. No worries if you'd already seen it, but I thought I'd ping you since there's been so much activity on that talkpage you might've missed it! T.Shafee(Evo &#38; Evo)talk 06:55, 1 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks. No, I hadn't seen it.  Athel cb (talk) 09:14, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

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Comment at Articles for deletion/Lists of Nobel laureates by religion
I hope this is received in good faith as my intention is in good faith and I simply note that your Babel box indicates native English. "his father converted from Jewish to Roman Catholic, but I know of no evidence that John Polanyi considered himself to be Jewish." One does not convert from "Jewish", one can be a Jewish Roman Catholic, one can be Jewish and believe Jesus is the Messiah. Someone being Jewish or identifying as a Jew does not necessarily imply any religious relationship. There's ample reliable sourcing regarding the list of Jewish winners. Whether or not one person should be on the list is a content dispute, not grounds for deletion. As for John Polyani, reliable sourcing shows he's indubitably of Jewish descent, as indicated, whether he should be on the list is about content not grounds for deletion. The overwhelming prevalence of members of that list have Jewish identities that are not in question. I request you reconsider your delete all !vote. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 01:13, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

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Attitude adjustment suggested
I left the following post in response to your post on my page regarding Victor Henri,
 * Personal attacks, trolling, and baiting are out of place here. As a relatively new editor at WP, Athel cb, you might benefit from contemplating our principles of assuming good faith and working in collaboration to create the best articles we can for our readers. Our editors do not own articles, nor are they expected to spend their time criticizing edits without errors in the fashion you have taken. If you can not abide these principles, WP might not be the place for you—your talents and intensity might be more useful in other venues—I suggest that you refrain from personal posts such as this and stick to collaborative work on articles. I have replied to your post only to encourage you to become a better WP editor. I have no intention to participate in a petty editor's war, and will not engage beyond this.

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Enzyme articles
Hello Athel cb. Please revert your recent mass edits to remove database links from enzyme articles such as. Whether intended or not the result was to remove the EC number templates that had been there previously and leave the pages with less information. I suggest converting them to if you wish. Invasive Spices (talk) 3 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I agree with you, but I was told by Boghog that they are contrary to Wikipedia guidelines, which are quite clear. "Please also note per Wikipedia:External links, External links normally should not be placed in the body of an article. Hence inserting [the link] in the body of the article is against the Wikipedia manual of style. It is also redundant since the link is now provided in the Infobox enzyme." The idea is apparently that information that is in the infobox should not be in the body of the article. Probably you should express your opinion at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_enzyme#Link_to_ExplorEnz_request_4_July_2022 to see what the consensus is. For the moment I feel obliged to follow the Wikipedia manual of style.  Athel cb (talk) 15:38, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I understand now. Could you note in your edit summaries that these remain in the infobox and so are not being removed from the article?
 * I've been thinking about this all night. I fear I over-reacted to Boghog's suggestion -- removing the links shouldn't imply removing the text. In other words, there is no reason not to have "EC 4.2.3.9" (etc.) in the article if it's not a link. I'll put all those back today. I hope it won't take as long as taking them out took! However, when you get to my age there aren't a lot of other things to do all day. Athel cb (talk) 07:36, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the confusion. Yes, I agree that is no reason not to include the EC number in the lead sentence. Just remove the external link.  The infobox contains the link.  Cheers. Boghog (talk) 07:46, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * No reason to apologize -- I was the one who was confused.
 * Anyway, I've restored EC numbers to all 4.2.3.X articles. Let me know if you're not happy with how I've done it.  Athel cb (talk) 13:49, 4 August 2022 (UTC)


 * As you're both here and have some knowledge of enzyme articles, there is something I'd like to know your opinions about. A great many have a section entitled External Links that supposedly lead to National Library of Medicine records. Every single one of these (and I tried about 20) leads to a Record Not Found message. The example at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllocladan-16alpha-ol_synthase seems to have already had this section when it was created by Dcirovic in May 2013). Is it possible that these links were created mechanically without checking that they worked? Alternatively, has the National Library of Medicine changed its system so that links that worked in 2013 don't work now? Or maybe one has to be in the USA to access them (which I am not). Anyway, should all these sections just be deleted, or is there a way to rescue them.  Athel cb (talk) 14:12, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The links definitely still work. See for example Alcohol dehydrogenase. The link is a simple database search that is automatically created for an EC number.  The problem is that for many EC numbers, there are no citations in PubMed that have yet been cross referenced for those particular EC numbers, and hence "no results" is returned.  This is a valid result, and while not as useful as if a list of citations were returned, it is still good to know. At some point in the future, cross referenced citations may be added these EC numbers, but as of today, there are no citations. Boghog (talk) 03:54, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, I won't do anything for the moment. However, shouldn't the link be in the Infobox rather than in a separate section?  Athel cb (talk) 08:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The infobox is divided into four sections: (1) title, (2) identifiers, (3) databases, and (4) references.  The PubMed search link created by the infobox and is located within part #4 of the infobox and therefore a part of the infobox. The references section is collapsed by default, so it might look like it is appended to the infobox, but it really is an integral part of the infobox. Boghog (talk) 09:46, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I suppose that we could suppress the display of the PubMed link if it returns a null list of citations, but I do not know how to do that automatically. This could be done manually for each EC number, but would an enormous amount of work (infobox enzyme) is transcluded into ~5,000 pages), and this would have to be updated periodically, and therefore a maintaince headache.  Finally there would always be a question when the last time the check were done to see if there were citations.  I would always, always, always want a current, up-to-date search of PubMed to see the latest results even if it returned no results. In short, a lot of work for very little gain. Boghog (talk) 09:55, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! Athel cb (talk) 15:53, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

BeiGene updates
Hi Athel cb, I work for BeiGene and have a declared COI. I came across your activity on the article of BeiGene co-founder Xiaodong Wang (biochemist), and was hoping you would check out my edit request on the BeiGene Talk page. The edit request is simple updates and clarifications to the Intro and History sections. I would appreciate if you could implement them if you agree they improve the page. Thank you! LexBGNE (talk) 20:30, 4 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Done! (I apologise for putting it there in the first place, in April 2022). Athel cb (talk) 07:00, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

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I del'd the request. You can do the moves yourself. Just look in the history of the page for the previous edits of the request. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:45, 26 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately that doesn't work, as detailed on the Teahouse:
 * In principle I should be able to use Move to correct these, but for the ones I have tried the system rejects them. For example, if I go to
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 * and enter
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 * as the new name, with Misspelled as the reason, pressing Move page gives
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 * The page "Alpha,alpha-phosphotrehalase" cannot be moved to "Α,α-Phosphotrehalase" because the title "Α,α-Phosphotrehalase" matches an entry (?!(User
 * Notice that I didn't write "Α,α-Phosphotrehalase"; the system just changed it. I don't have any idea what (?!(User means. Also it's not true: there is no article called Α,α-Phosphotrehalase.
 * Athel cb (talk) 17:15, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You say you have a large list. Try them all. If there are some you can do you should do them yourself. Since it's a large list, you may need to get a special page-mover bit set instead of requesting someone else do the work. This will circumvent the blacklist that is likely the cause of the moves not succeeding. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:26, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * To add to 's statement, with some of the titles you may move which gets blocked for the "You do not have permission..." reason, move them back here for a possible full-scale discussion on this. Intrisit (talk) 20:05, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Glucan 1,4-α-glucosidasee


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 * This title arose from an error in the first place, so it's perfectly OK to delete it. Athel cb (talk) 10:54, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

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Article moved to draft
I have moved the article you created to Draft:Bernard Horecker (biochemist) where you can continue to work on it. Simon Peter Hughes (talk) 13:26, 6 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure I understand what this means. In the past (as recently as early August) I could create new articles by selecting 'or you may create the page "xxx" directly'. By accident I found myself on the Wikipedia Article Wizard, which is NOT where I wanted to be, and I found it difficult to escape. What I really want to do is to create an article "Bernard Horecker" (omitting "(biochemist")) but I added the "(biochemist)" in the forlorn hope of escaping the draft status, as there was already a draft article called that "Bernard Horecker" that I had created earlier today. Is there any way I can use 'or you may create the page "Bernard Horecker" directly', or is that option now closed? I am an experienced editor (for more than three years): I have created 12 new articles, one template, two disambiguating pages and many redirection pages; I had page-mover rights earlier this year, and renamed many existing articles. Of my more than 15,000 edits extremely few (probably fewer than 10) have been reverted or contested by other editors. Athel cb (talk) 13:47, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The best thing to do is to complete the article in draftspace and move it to mainspace later. I would strongly advise you against creating any articles that do not have references. And if you've now got two drafts about the same person, I suggest that you request one of them be deleted as a duplicate. Simon Peter Hughes (talk) 14:37, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I have now added many references to the article and edited the whole of the text. (As indicated in my original editing comment it was always my intention to do that, and most of it would have been done on Friday if that had not been interrupted by the move to draftspace.) Another editor has removed the links to prabook, and I have no objection to that. It seems to me that it is now much more than a draft, and I should appreciate it if you would move it back to mainspace, something that I'm apparently not allowed to do myself, at the same time dropping " (biochemist)" from the title. As soon as it gets into mainspace I plan to add many links to it from other articles, starting with List of Biochemists, and continuing with the many articles on biochemistry and biochemists that refer to Bernard Horecker. Athel cb (talk) 16:19, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

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 * I don't see what is so wicked about letting people know that their work has been cancelled, but if that is “canvassing” then I won't do it again. How are they going to know if no one tells them? How do you think that I knew about the decision if no one had told me? I knew because the subject of an article that I had edited, but not himself an editor, was very upset that mention of the person who had influenced him in his work had been suppressed.
 * On the other hand you should refrain from labelling as “abuse” something that is not by any stretch of imagination abusive. I'm thinking, of course, of your remark about the article on Albert Einstein -- maybe too long, maybe some entries that would better omitted, but not abuse. I don't think that “abuse” means what you think it means.  Athel cb (talk) 16:56, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The point is that you seemed to be handpicking editors that might support your cause, based on their previous actions. Also, the notification message was not neutral. Appropriate ways to getting more people involved are given in WP:APPNOTE.
 * Personally, I would not have chosen word 'abuse' to describe the misuse or bad usage of the field. But in Einstein's case it was, in the sense that it did not comform to the documentation of that field, which adviced that the number of influences should be kept small (2-3 at max). Instead, we had a kilometer long list and statements such as 'virtually all modern physicists', his friend Besso and so on.
 * Nothing is suppressed by the removal of this information from the box. It can and should still be mentioned in the main text, and can also be given some context there. No reason to be upset over such matters. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 20:40, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

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John Westley, University of Chicago
Would you be interested in contributing to a short, thoroughly sourced, informed WP article on John Westley, the late sulfurtransferase and cyanide biochemist at UChicago (active 1960s-90s)? If so, I would seek to assist, as a serious but anonyous editor. Suspense for the project, perhaps 3-6 mos. (nothing very fast). Will leave this open for a week, to see a response. Cheers. 98.206.30.195 (talk) 20:07, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * That is an excellent suggestion. I have been a great admirer of John Westley's work since I first encountered it (especially his short paper with R. Jarabak in Biochemistry 13, 3237–3239 (1974), which packed an astonishing amount of information and ideas into three pages). However, I think I only met him once, in Chicago in 1987, and, more important, I know almost nothing about his life — where and when he was born, etc. Can you point me to a reliable obituary?
 * Athel cb (talk) 08:58, 4 July 2024 (UTC)