User talk:Atomic7732/Mediterranean tropical cyclone

December 5–12, 2005
The storm have lasted 13 to 16 December; December 5 to 12 is an error. Tropical depression intensity Not be true. In Siciliy reported damage from strong winds 70-90 km/h and floods (300m in 24/h) and while the storm was like a hurricane, in south of Crete, the wind was close to 29m/s (104 km / h - 64.9 mph - 56.3 knots), in a small part of the center. The cyclone made landfall 16 dec on Lebanon coast with tropical storm intensity (98 km/h Beirut Airport). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.28.33.120 (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Image of this Cyclone: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/811/mediterraneantropicalcyh.jpg/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.28.33.120 (talk) 11:21, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Mediterranean Tropical Cyclone
"These systems are a subject of some debate within meteorological circles whether they closely fit the definition of tropical cyclones, subtropical cyclones, or polar lows".. This common sentence is incorrect, is wrong.. they are Not polar lows. That the Mediterranean Tropical Cyclone is ugual Karl'80, Vince'05 or Grace'05. Not be a doubt. Many Mediterranean tropical like Cyclones occured over sea surface (18-27°C) most warm Karl'80, Vince'05 or Grace'05 (24-17°C). They can be intensity of tropical depresssion, tropical storm or (very rare)hurricane, but they cause flooding, damage and fatalties. It obvious that these small tropical cyclones they are occured for tropical transition. (K.Emanuel: cutoff cold low is an ideal embryo in which a Mediterranean tropical cyclone can be produced). ''Tropical transition refers to the dynamic and thermodynamic transformation of disturbances of sub-tropical or extratropical origin into tropical cyclones. This is often synonymous with a transition from a cold-core cyclone to a warm-core cyclone ''. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.60.130.77 (talk) 15:36, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Images delete?
why my news images for mediterranean hurricane january 1982 and september 1983 have been delete? User:Daniele Bianchino Roma Italy —Preceding undated comment added 23:05, 3 June 2010 (UTC).

Another Mediterranea tropical systems
35 knots Mediterranean tropical storm occured on October 2005:  http://img193.imageshack.us/i/47006990.jpg/  http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3593/tlc26ott2005.jpg  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.54.0.84 (talk) 12:23, 21 May 2010 (UTC) 

Mediterranean Hurricane occured in Decembre 2005 from tropical transition like Karl'80,Vince'05,Grace'09; wind exceded 30m/s in the center: http://img89.imageshack.us/i/tlcdic2005.jpg/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.54.0.84 (talk) 12:27, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

40 knots tropical storm occured over Balearic Islands on October 2005: http://img5.imageshack.us/i/mediterraneantropicalst.gif/ 

in March 2007 (984 hpa >25m/s) over Thyrrenian sea (Latium coast) : http://www.meteored.com/ram/UserFiles/Image/noviembre07/medicane4.jpg 

Mediterranean Hurricane occured in January 1982 from tropical transition like Karl'80,Vince'05, Grace'09: http://img519.imageshack.us/i/tlc1982dp1.jpg/

Little Mediterranean Hurricnae occured on August 1976 over warm wather of Adriatic Sea: http://www.tornadoit.org/immagini/dew.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.54.0.84 (talk) 12:59, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

images of Mediterranean Hurricane 6-10 October 1996 like Karl'80,Vince'05, Grace'09 (maximum wind 145 km/h over Eolian Islands- 3 deads): http://img39.imageshack.us/i/mediterraneanhurricane2.jpg/

images of Mediterranean Hurricane September 1983: http://img194.imageshack.us/i/mediterraneanhurricane3.jpg/

Name
From 2006, in Italy, the most important Mediterranean tropical cyclones have a name.. 1983 hurricane called "Callisto", 1995 hurricane called "Celeno", 6-10 Oct. 1996 hurricane called "Cornelia", the 4-6 Oct. tropical storm called "Samir". and many others: Plautilla '07, Zeo '05, Partenope '97, Maximo '85, Leucosia '82 ecc.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniele Bianchino Roma Italy (talk • contribs) 13:35, 28 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Mediterranean tropical cyclones are not offically named and unless you can prove they are using reliable sources the names will not be added to this article.Jason Rees (talk) 17:03, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Insere in google Mediterranean hurricane Celeno..are not officiale name for America? the National Hurricane Center did not monitor Mediterranean sistems, as such they are not nominated. You do not decide to Mediterranean tropical systems. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniele Bianchino Roma Italy (talk • contribs) 01:23, 4 Marc 2010 (UTC) The only sources i can see in Google calling a hurricane Celeno is Utube which is not reliable enough.Jason Rees (talk) 15:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I believe these names are quite alright in the topic since it is the name that will be remembered just like unnamed Catarina or Anita (south atlantic)was. Since they do not have an official naming procedure down there, this is the next best way. with these names are and will be remembered in Italy, Greece and Spain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniele Bianchino Roma Italy (talk • contribs) 12:59, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Catrina and Anita are offical names, However you have failed to provide Reliable sources for the names that you are wanting added to this article.Jason Rees (talk) 15:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

For many people in storm2k forum Catarina and Anita are not offically named. http://www.storm2k.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=107638&start=100&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=anita —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.60.131.18 (talk) 21:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I dont care what other people think the names are offical enough as the former name is recognised by the WMO and other warning centers. However you have failed to provide Reliable sources for the random names you are wishing to place into this article. So until you do they cant go in to this article.Jason Rees (talk) 23:27, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Name?
Why is it plural? Compare Mediterranean tropical cyclones to South Atlantic tropical cyclone or Atlantic hurricane. Jdorje 00:41, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't mind the change. Hurricanehink 01:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Vince
So if this 1992 hurricane struck Spain, then Vince wasn't the first tropical system to do so... Jdorje 00:43, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * True, but this 1992 hurricane wasn't officially a storm, albeit its awesome organization. It looked like a hurricane, not a tropical storm or depression, hit Spain! I found those storms by accident. I meant to look for Tropical Storm Danielle off the coast of Virginia, and those 2 1992 storms were found by accident when I clicked on the Meteosat image. Hurricanehink 00:50, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Heh, and here lies a much belated NEVER MIND! They were sattelite glitches. A.k.a., Bonnie and Charley. →Cycl   one1 → 20:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

More Storms
Should they be added or not? I am currently looking through every September, starting with 1995 and currently at 1997 (I am doing every other day, so hopefully I didn't miss any). Some of these storms appear to be unknown across the world, which is always good with me! Hurricanehink 01:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Probably should go through August as well, as I quickly found one for 1998. I'll do it over the weekend. Got up through 2000. Hurricanehink 02:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Not to put a damper on your efforts, but isn't this original research? Jdorje 03:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Damn it! Should we just revert back to the beginning of the day, since what I wrote was based on analyzing the satellite data? Hurricanehink 03:38, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know. Maybe you should ask an admin or ask at the helpdesk, or just read up on the original-research policy.  At a minimum you can keep the text on a talk or user page. Jdorje 04:09, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I asked NSLE, the hurricane admin. Hopefully he'll resolve it. Hurricanehink 12:41, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * OK. They were removed, and hopefully this sort of problem won't happen again. I moved them to a subpage of mine located here. Hurricanehink 16:19, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Heh, but now the article is just a stub! Are there any real sources to be found for this article?  Those images you had were really striking, and it would be nice to have an excuse to bring them back. Jdorje 21:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Bad news about the images. Two of them from 1992, the Spain cane and the one south of Italy, were fakes. They were the result of a mis-projection of the satellite system. The summaries are still in my subpage two posts up. About sources? I seriously doubt it, but you never know. Hurricanehink 22:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I fell victim to that as well. They were Bonnie and Charley.  Thegreatdr 18:37, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

October 1996 system
To me, that looks nontropical and like an attempt at an occluded cyclone. Where's the central convection? The others currently on the page look like reasonable additions. Thegreatdr 18:38, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know, but the site said it resembled a hurricane... Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:58, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

A possible Mediterranean storm right now?
Earlier today, there was a frontal low in the southern Mediterranean Sea. See here for a visible pic, and here for a broader view. It was likely extratropical, but given the near total lack of activity for the area, I think it's pretty cool. Hurricanehink 00:44, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Very neat. I concur! Dr U 01:20, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Todo
The article is at Start class for now, to make up to be more info is needed. Storm05 14:23, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Reading list
In this blog post. 91.64.30.89 15:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

There are more examples of Medican
In spanish: http://www.meteonix.com/v3_prinot.asp?sub=597

The 19 of October of 2007 another Mediterranean Hurricane hit the southeast of Spain.

Great Lakes (tropical) Cyclone?
I saw this in a documentary and found it in the 'Great Lakes' entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Lake_Huron_cyclone —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.30.202.19 (talk) 22:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Should we add this one?
Should we add this one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.40.137.199 (talk) 05:54, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Numerical Analysis of a Mediterranean “Hurricane” over Southeastern Italy Evolauxia (talk) 21:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah! Matthurricane (talk)

I've added January 28-29th system
It is one of the best known cases of a tropical cyclone within the mediterranean ranking higher in appearance and organizion then any system since the hurricane of 1995. You can edit it, but this will be incomplete if you delete it.Matthurricane (talk) 06:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Tell me why this system should not be added? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthurricane (talk • contribs) 23:18, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It should be added now that we have a reliable source for it Jason Rees (talk) 16:11, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

New Images and other Mediterranean Tropical Cyclones
Hi Hurricanehink I study of many years mediterranean tropical cyclones. I have many other systems, descriptions and other images in the perfect status of Hurricane or tropical storm (for example your image mediterranean hurricane of October 1996 not look like a hurricane in the day 7, but very hurricane in the 9 october day). You conctact in my e-mail and I invie images and description of thesee and other Mediterranean Tropical Cyclones. atraxmail@excite.it, Daniele , 11:11, 17 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.60.143.222 (talk)

Merge?
I think this article is too disorganized, and too unofficial to warrant keeping as an article. I propose the well-sourced statements be kept and become a section in Tropical cyclone basins. --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 23:19, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed im fairly sure theirs some OR in here as well.Jason Rees (talk) 23:23, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Also agree. The current article is also inaccurate in that it suggests these storms are officially recognized as tropical cyclones. Juliancolton (talk) 19:29, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I agree with a merge, as the information presented (that is sourced) is a unique phenomenon, although a major rewrite is needed. Perhaps a rename would an improvement as well. -- nsaum75 ¡שיחת! &lrm; 19:40, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with nsaum75 that there shouldn't be a merge but instead a major rewrite. With more and more talk about new cyclones in the Med, and more people looking at images of the Med as well, we could end up with dozens of more storms. To solve this, I propose that we create to pages: List of Mediterranean tropical cyclones (1900s) and List of Mediterranean tropical cyclones (2000s), each containing the Mediterranean tropical cyclones of their respective centuries, much like List of Texas hurricanes splits their hurricanes up into specific years. This method could battle the ever so growing list of new storms. Besides, we're getting so much of this Med cyclones that I could just add another one right now from 2008! --TheAustinMan (talk) 18:14, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The bigger problem is that the storms aren't that well verified. There is little evidence that any of them are actual tropical cyclones. That's why I maintain that the article should be merged. --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 00:02, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Merge- I was reading the article, and I saw some sections with no refs. This leads me to believe that there is some OR in the article. And I agree with Hink that unless there is clear, sufficient, and a credible ref stating that these are TC's, then the article should be merged. And the overall structure of the article is poor, with bolding of words which shouldn't be, bolding of intensities, and this is just a few of the problems of this article, and that's why I gave up in copyediting this article.  Darren 23 Edits 00:52, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Addressing Issues
I'm not attempting to bring this page back to life or anything, but I just want to get these errors straight before I move on to more important subjects and things.

Not Really A Cyclone
Taking a look at these pictures of Med cyclones, the October 4-6 1996 storm does not look like a cyclone. As somebody else stated in previous discussion, where's the central convection? It looks more like a regular low.

The REAL Reference
2 storms were referenced with reference 5. Clicking this link leads you to ICTP Publications. When you source, you go to the real page. At ICTP home page, there's not one single thing that talks about cyclones.

More Refs
You heard what the other section above said (the one about merging).

Mediterranean tropical cyclone
In case anyone was wondering, I userfied the aforementioned article to User:Syntheticalconnections/Mediterranean tropical cyclone (who requested to keep it), but I merged the useful content to this article. The article was mostly original research, and not very encyclopediac. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:34, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Just a note in the event of a future article is created - SSD has issued Dvorak classifications for the first time ever on a system in the Mediterranean. In addition, it has been listed on NRL as 99L. Also, here is a news story describing it producing rainfall. They called it a "depression". --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:43, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * And we... officially... have a Mediterranean storm? - they list it as 01M. Should we bring back the article on Medit. tropical cyclones, or have an article on this actual storm? --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk )  18:47, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Let's start from scratch again on the Medit - no OR. If this storm happens to become reported/impacts, let's have an article on it too. I've created a draft here; I want more on their origin than individual cyclones.  HurricaneFan 25  19:04, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * ATM we only have 1 SAB bull calling Rolf Tropical right?.Jason Rees (talk) 19:30, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * FU Berlin classifies it as a tropical system. BTW, I'm working on a draft here.  HurricaneFan 25  19:54, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

With all of the new refs that have been added to User:Atomic7732/Mediterranean tropical cyclone, can we restore this article, and with its contents? 72.197.249.141 (talk) 23:10, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * So, can I take that as a yes? 72.197.249.141 (talk) 23:40, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Feel free to, but IMO that version isn't written very well (no offense). I have a sandbox for the article in my userspace, but I don't feel like working on it at the moment. <b style="font-variant:smallcaps;"> HF 25 </b> 00:17, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

The Mediterranean tropical cyclone article was recreated as Mediterranean tropical-like cyclone in late 2013, which is currently a Good article. However, this user subpage will continue to be maintained as a sandbox for the recreated article.  Light and Dark2000  (talk) 08:47, 1 December 2017 (UTC)