User talk:Atutahi

Please do not remove speedy delete tags from pages that you have created yourself. -- IslaySolomon 08:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry didn't have a clue what I was doing there. Atutahi 11:28, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue spamming you will be blocked from editing. Mango juice talk 04:16, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * If you want to create an article on TangataWhenua.com, write an original article from a neutral point of view: do not repost their "about us" page on Wikipedia. Mango juice talk 04:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Cool, that's all you had to say in the first place rather than simply continuing to delete the article. You do have some responsibility to provide a rationale for your "speedy deletion" if not a Wikipedia requirement, than at least a moral obligation. Atutahi 08:20, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

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Regarding the deleted article, there were two issues. One, (probably because it was a repost of part of their official webpage), what you were posting was blatant advertising, which is one of the criteria for speedy deletion. Two, copyvio issues: if you find text on someone's website, the normal assumption is that they own that text, and that means Wikipedia can't publish the same text (or text that's too closely derived from it). Copyvio, if detected quickly, is also a reason for speedy deletion. If you actually own the copyright on that web page, there's a whole separate batch of issues. Anyway, this welcome message has some general info about Wikipedia so if you want to continue contributing, you can learn more about the site.

Again, welcome! Mango juice talk 18:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you thank you and again thank you :) - that's all I really wanted was an explanation, which you kindly provided. I will have a look at how other organisations are written about and attempt to reflect that style (i.e. written from an objective point of view). I definitely appreciate the processes you have in place and feel they help to add integrity to this site. Kia ora - will be putting together a more balanced piece. Now for instance, if I did own the copyright what would that mean (for future reference)? Atutahi 02:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello. It just seems to me that your article violates WP:SPAM, but I've asked User:Mangojuice for his opinion. Let me give you a little suggestion, though. People are always going to be much more interested in Māori language, literature, painting, carvings, dances, jewelry, fishing, hunting, politics, etc. than in a newsletter about Māori, no matter how nice the latter may be. So if you really want to help Wikipedia, I kindly suggest you write about Māoridom itself, and not about publications that write about it. Biruitorul 09:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I think you may have missed the point my friend. A digital newsletter, created by Maori for Maori is one step (of many) in the journey towards self-determination. Information that is sourced, researched, written and developed by Maori is more valuable, relevant and useful to the Maori community itself.

Take for instance West Papua, having news and information created and developed by West Papuans themselves is infinitely more valuable then content that is created by Indonesians FOR West Papuas. Considering also that Maori communities are only beginning to have access to the internet is another reason why organisation such as TangataWhenua.com and AoCafe for example are so important and necessary to the overall development of Maoridom in a digital age, I think that this type of attitude underestimates the value of this medium in terms of indigenous self-determination... What are your thoughts? Atutahi 09:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Regardless, I thank you for not proposing a speedy deletion and giving me the time to improve the entry (assuming I can develop a more robust rational).Atutahi 10:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Just thought I'd make one final point, which a friend highlighted - The name TangataWhenua.com may indeed create confusion in that it could lead one to think that the focal point is wholly commercial. "However to the trained eye - i.e. one who has an understanding of indigenous development it is worth it's entry on the grounds of special consideration in terms of indigenous self-determination and self-expression." Atutahi 13:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC) Kia ora me ki roto i kotahitanga (be well, in unity).


 * Just wanted to alert you to my comment at User talk:Biruitorul. However I do agree with Biruitorul -- if you know about Maori culture, there are probably lots of contributions we need you for beyond this one.  Wikipedia's contributors tend to be culturually homogenous, and we need all the diversity we can get.  Mango juice talk 15:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Excellent, I would relish the opportunity. Have really enjoyed watching Wikipedia grow and appreciate the incredible amounts of work every one contributes. Beautiful. Atutahi 16:08, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

First of all, sorry, I didn't know you were a woman. But anyway, while I suppose no one will be AfD-ing your article for now, let me make a couple of suggestions. First, try putting your article into categories. Second, try linking to it from other articles. And again, I do stand by my earlier point. No doubt this journal is important to the Māori themselves, but in the future, we would hope to see more articles from you on other (I would argue more interesting) aspects of your culture. Biruitorul 23:42, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

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Angeline Greensill article
Kia ora Atutahi. Just to let you know that I am withdrawing my nomination to delete this article. You have done some excellent work at repointing it and it is now much more acceptable. However, I will be keeping an eye on it to ensure that it remains neutral and doesn't return to being a political platform. I have a couple of suggestions for taking it a bit further and I will put these on the talk page.

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Please also be reasurred that I welcome a greater Māori presence on the English Wikipedia and look forward to much more kōrero - but within the encylcopaedic guidelines. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

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