User talk:Audin

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Nice spot in Oort cloud. The Öpik date made me wonder, and I had to check the Edwin Hubble article for when the idea of external galaxies were established: only 8 years before! - Jeandré, 2003-12-01t12:37z

Hi - maybe you'd like to also put your name to WikiProject Space Missions? I've suggested that the project adopts your data table for launch vehicles as a standard. I hope to add it to the Vostok rocket Voskhod rocket Soyuz rocket and forthcoming Saturn I rocket pages. --Rlandmann 07:28, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Another couple of suggestions for the launch vehicle data table: --Rlandmann 03:48, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * most wikipedia data tables use a background colour for headings - see Messerschmitt Me 262 as an example straight off the top of my head. I encourage you to pick a colour for the standard :)
 * Launch vehicles are all tall and skinny... Just a wild idea at the moment, but maybe photos could be places alongside tables rather than above them? I might play with this and see how it goes...


 * I'm going to check if we can use a background image... Seems to be a starry sky background for the title would be most appropriate. Audin 04:37, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * Okay, there's an example at User:Audin now. However, it is not a long-term solution as the background image is being served from my own webserver.  If anyone likes the effect we can ask a developer to put the background image on the wikipedia server somewhere...  Incidently, i suspect it is a bug in wiki that I am able to link to that image.


 * You can upload images to Wiki, ni? Why not upload the image and avoid the external link? Elf 21:33, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Thoughts on rocket table
The ragged left (right-aligned) is harder to visually scan than left-aligned, and having empty cells between the stages seems to imply that there's missing info. How about something like this--clearer to scan visually, and markup is much easier to work with for a new table. (And BTW I also used "!" for table header rows :-) and used width=50% on first column in case you really want to bring data closer to labels ). Something to think about, anyway, if you haven't already considered this strategy. Elf 21:33, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Hrm. I don't have major complaints about either format. The right-alignedness of my suggestion was originally brought about as an experiment. In the end I liked the denseness (seems wrong to have several whole lines of each table taken up with the largly useless 'Stage X' wording), closeness of label to associated data (true not most efficient for scanning, but probably most efficient for reading, as the eye doesn't have to try to scroll to the right and hope to line up with the associated data), reuse of the 'Stages' header, and general uniqueness of the table. I've added background colors (your color choice, though it might be an idea to use the stars there as well) to my example above to more clearly denote the sections.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by empty cells. None of them are meant to be empty, assuming the data is available. The Engines cell should have the number and type of engines used by that stage.

I didn't use ! for headers in my example because at the time I put it together the ! handling was buggy and wouldn't handle a combo header + data row.

As to the background image: you can upload and link to images in mediawiki, but not, as far as I know, as backgrounds. So my plan, if people liked the stars (which they now seem to) is to ask that some kind developer add a 'space-table' class to the css file which would like to the image.

Audin 00:50, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Empty cells--I meant overlapping--trying to describe the stage cells that feel as if they're floating. Although it's nice to save space, it's better to make your info very clear, so you're not wasting space with subheads--you're making better use of the space to convey the info more quickly because the reader doesn't have to interpret the unfamiliar layout.

Any color for subheads will work (I just shoved one in); I suppose the star background, too, but try printing the page--often background images don't print (yes! people still want to print! ) and white text then vanishes on the paper. I kinda like the star background, even given the possible issue with printing. Distinctive.

When I said "visual scan" I really meant "it's harder to read." :-)  Think about your eyes as they move down the table--they jumping left and right looking for where the line begins.  It's possible that it might be a bit more readable with a large cellpadding, but I still think readers will find it easier left-just.  I understand the experiment, yeah, it's hard to read across large spans of white space (that's why I tried the 50% thing) but there might be other ways to fix that than right-just'g the text.

(I've studied & implemented usability for acquiring written info for years, but you can also verify it by decomposing how someone's eyes and thought pattern might work as they view the table. Different people see things differently (duh!)--and so when people don't like how info is presented, I try to understand why and then adjust the format to accommodate. (Once had a discussion w/an engineer who thought a diagram was useless--until I figured out that he was interpreting it differently than intended. Redesign, and it's much better for both of us.)  Dang, I'm taking up all this space on your page! But it's fun playing with layout formats, so here I is.

And I didn't know about the earlier table markup bug--guess I'm lucky and got here late enough. Anyway, I'd be glad to give feedback on other stuff you try and if you want to do the same thing for the Rocks & Minerals one I'm trying to sort out, I'd be delighted. Elf 01:55, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

You asked "why'd you drop the last three sentences from Big dumb booster?" No burning reason. It just struck me as redundant. The content above concise and factual. But if you think the article flows better or if it adds to content in a way that I didn't see, go ahead and add it back. Rossami 02:52, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)

On another page, I was planning on making a link to Delta rockets (as an example of parallel staging), but I notice that Wikipedia is rather scattered on this topic. There are pages for Delta II rocket, Delta rocket, a couple of redirect pages, and "missing pages" which people link to: Delta (rocket) (looks like you've prepared that one) and Delta (rocket family). Got any idea on how this should be cleaned up? Mackerm 05:39, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Re: the Moron you're reverting
This person you're reverting isn't a moron. He's just a noob to Wikipedia. At least, I think he is. Give him the benefit of the doubt.

Hrm, I'm not sure I agree. If he left such a comment in only one place i wouldn't have commented. but since he left similar comments in multiple places... Audin 01:39, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Titan (rocket family)
I found the following statement about the Titan ICBMs in the article By 2005 the Titans will likely be extinct.

and I asked myself, well, are they? --Deelkar (talk) 17:27, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Non-orbital mission infobox
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