User talk:Augusto de Cartagena

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Martello tower edits
''You added quite a bit of information about a so-called Martello Tower in Spain but have provided no source for any of your statements. I can find no evidence this is a Martello tower, it appears to be just a round tower that was constructed by Englishmen but not of the Martello design. What verification, by way of reliable sources, do you have? ww2censor (talk) 11:45, 31 December 2016 (UTC) ''

Hello. Tower in Fort St. Julian (english denomination in a british map of 1839), is well investigated in

GUIMARAENS IGUAL, G. ''El último hálito de la fortificación abalartuada. El fuerte de San Julián de Cartagena.'' Valencia, 2007. p 285-311

Facts.

1. Tower was constructed by English troops in 1812. (p 285-286)

2. The tower was disarmed and abandoned in 1815-1820 (p 288)

3. In 1844, during a liberal insurrection, and before of siege by government forces, it was decided to rearmed the tower with a 'colisa', a horizontal rotating platform on which is placed the carriage of an artillery gun. Google Earth photos show that the circular structure still stands at the top of the tower. (p 290)

4. In 1851 the tower was occupied by a garrison (Spanish, of course).

5. Structure of tower is demostrated in 1845 (p 293) and in 1855 (p 295).

''The English built a fairly strong tower, with accommodation for 20 men and a store of gunpowder and provisions and its cistern. On top of the vault of the second body the roof is surrounded by a parapet, and in the center of the roof is placed a revolving carriage, placed in it a cannon of 24, that fires in all directions... ''

Informe para la defensa de Cartagena, coronel Ildefonso Sierra, 1845.

''Is reduced to a well-built coast tower, but only mounts and is capable of a rotating gun... The tower contains two floors and the platform. The ground floor is for the warehouse and spare part. The main one for accommodation, and in this one is the door for ladder of hand, and two spans that, besides serving for ventilation, are arranged to receive small caliber guns... The platform mounts a rotating gun and has a small bench for the fire of rifle. Under the lower floor there is a cistern.''

Plano de la plaza de Cartagena, Tebar, Echevarria, Pajares, 1855

6. The construction of the modern fort respected the English tower, converted into last bastion of defense and connected to the road of the wall round by a portable bridge.

Augusto de Cartagena (talk) 16:59, 5 January 2017 (UTC)


 * First there is no need to post this twice. Perhaps you don;t know about the talkback template (click on the link to see how to use it) that you can dropon my talk page to let me know there is a reply here, or even elsewhere. I try and like to keep discussions in one place as my edit page header notice asks you to do. It's much easier to follow instead of being disjointed.
 * Thanks Augusto, that's all very well and interesting information but it basically says the same as you already added to the article. However you have not provided any citations in the article. Each paragraphs should have at least one citation or even more if it's a paragraph of several sentences. Personally I am not sure this qualifies as an actual Martello tower. Does the source you mention even use that description? Is that book available online? Thanks ww2censor (talk) 17:21, 5 January 2017 (UTC)