User talk:Aurora Illumina

Hallo!
Deine Musik ist fantastisch! Immer soll du experimentieren--mit Musik, Mathe, Dichtkunst, et al. Niemand kann wissen, was du machen wirst. Keep in touch! TiffanyMLee (talk) 02:53, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Danke! Aurora   Illumina  02:55, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Userbox
Hello. I noticed your "this user makes music" userbox; I wanted to direct your attention to the "this user can and does compose music" one I made, as you may feel it is more appropriate, though it is your perogative. See my userpage subpage. RadicalTwo (talk) 03:54, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Good pitch
Just wanted to affirm that you've got. I listened to the file several more times and started to agree with you; it's not that sharp at all (or my piano needs tuning!). I made a correct version, but can't seem to get it embedded into the caption, perhaps you could try?Synchronism (talk) 00:12, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I like the "Unknown" userbox
I like your "unknown" userbox, and made a derivative work of it, posted on my user page subpage. I post this just to notify you of the copying of your work.  -RadicalOne --- Contact Me  17:48, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That's fine. Both userboxes have something that wasn't stated in the other. Yours mentions that you've given hints about your species, while mine doesn't, and creating a similar one is fine, since mine technically only half-applies to you (as I can tell by looking over your Great Wall of Userboxes). Also, are you going to put that userbox on the userbox gallery pages? Aurora   Illumina  02:28, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I may or may not put it in the gallery; I am undecided about that. If I do, I will let you know.  -RadicalOne --- Contact Me  15:34, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

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Userbox for arranging music
I like your userbox "This user arranges existing music for other instruments." An improvement would be to have the word "arranges" link to the article arrangement, like this " arranges ". Obankston (talk) 22:28, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Done that. Aurora   Illumina  22:53, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanx. Obankston (talk) 01:37, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

What exactly is "minor" about Archaeopteris?
You say the piece is in a minor scale - or at least imitates it - but I fail to see how the chords are minor; indeed, I tried to keep (most of) them major: I should also point out that my expansion of the chords for the 'full' version of the piece largely consists of "filling in" the nonbolded components of the chords in a lower octave. And it sounds beautiful, exactly what I had envisioned in my - very major chord oriented - mind.

Can you explain to me, using the resources here on Wikipedia, what exactly is "minor" about this? (Remember, I am utterly lost when it comes to complex theory like this. Also keep in mind that I function on a wholly different mental musical architecture from "Western" music, and indeed all "conventional" music.  -RadicalOne --- Contact Me  01:03, 3 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The first chord is C and F (P4). The second chord is D♭ and F (+3). I myself perceive more notes that aren't existent, in this case adding an A♭ below both chords. These perceived notes are envisioned by me as I use a more conventional approach when it comes to filling imaginary notes like this. What imaginary notes I perceive in a chord also depend on the notes or chords that follow or surround that chord, and thus I perceive it as being minor. The chord progression Fmin-D♭maj is more traditional than Fmaj-D♭maj, so I perceive the former rather than the latter. That first chord, plus the times that chord repeat, are the only ones I perceive to be minor chords for that piece. (Note: The times where I perceive extra notes that aren't there mostly occur in P4 or P5 chords. The notes C and F appear in both an F major chord and in an F minor chord. It is only fully a major or minor chord if the A or A♭ is added. Since there isn't an A or A♭, I perceive whatever's more traditional.) Aurora   Illumina  01:44, 3 January 2010 (UTC)


 * {|class="wikitable collapsible collapsed"

!Notes in the actual chord !Extra notes that I perceive !Resulting chord


 * C, F
 * A♭
 * F minor
 * F minor


 * D♭, F
 * A♭
 * D♭ major
 * D♭ major


 * D♭, G
 * B♭, E♭
 * E♭ dominant 7th
 * E♭ dominant 7th


 * C, E♭, A♭ (suspended within the measure)
 * none
 * A♭ major
 * A♭ major


 * B♭, E♭, G (suspended within the measure)
 * none
 * E♭ major
 * E♭ major


 * C, F
 * A♭
 * F minor
 * } As you can see, the only chord that's a minor chord as I see it is the first one. There's a dominant seventh chord in there, but that's just because it's taking the place of a tritone, which doesn't fit in a straight major or minor chord. That's the way I see it, and the chords as I perceive them are a real help in the way I write in minor keys. Aurora   Illumina  02:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I am afraid you overestimated my understanding of chord structure by an order of magnitude, but I will say this: I do believe I made it clear that my pieces are anything but "traditional" - indeed, many pieces are a deliberate departure from convention - and thus "this chord progression being more traditional than that one" doesn't really make it minor...does it? Add to that the fact that the "minorness" appears to hinge on these nonexistent notes you mentally add in.  -RadicalOne --- Contact Me  03:12, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Update: I tried building the chords as you outlined in your table, and I will be blunt. Some of it sounds truly awful. Clearly there is more at work.  -RadicalOne --- Contact Me  03:24, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That is true. The only thing that makes me perceive it as a minor chord are the notes I added. Even though your style of composing is truly different from traditional, I still perceive minor chords when there really aren't. Just because you wrote it based entirely on major chords doesn't mean that it can't be perceived in a different way with more imaginary notes added. Whenever I perceive imaginary notes, I don't think the same way you do at all. I perceive what seems most traditional, even if the composer made every effort to escape that. So the minor-ness is really only my perception of it. As for things that don't sound good: Was it only the dominant seventh in particular? If so, that's probably because it has four notes instead of three. Try removing the E♭ from that chord. (The resulting chord isn't a fully consonant chord, as it's simply a resolving chord.) Aurora   Illumina  03:34, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No, that 7th is a mess any way it is built. And it ruins the perception of the notes before and after it, too. Try to apply this general rule of thumb: Dissonance is to be avoided AT ALL COSTS. If a chord is not consonant, trash it.  -RadicalOne --- Contact Me  03:46, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the chord was a tritone to begin with. There's not much else that really fits; the chord I suggested (after removing the E♭ is equivalent to a transposition of the second chord in my piece Crystalline Reflections. Also, don't forget the B-D♯-F♯-A♯ that occurs in the Looping Piece no. 1. (On another note, after these conversations, I'm starting to doubt my success with Spring in my Four Seasons series.) Aurora   Illumina  03:56, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the chord was a tritone to begin with. There's not much else that really fits; the chord I suggested (after removing the E♭ is equivalent to a transposition of the second chord in my piece Crystalline Reflections. Also, don't forget the B-D♯-F♯-A♯ that occurs in the Looping Piece no. 1. (On another note, after these conversations, I'm starting to doubt my success with Spring in my Four Seasons series.) Aurora   Illumina  03:56, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Re-indent: Your pieces are radically different from mine, being much more traditional and inspired by classical composers, where I am inspired by...something rather different. "after these conversations, I'm starting to doubt my success..." That statement gives me the feeling I have been critical or condescending...please tell me that this is not the case. Either way, I now have a knot in my tail...  -RadicalOne --- Contact Me  05:13, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I say this because I wrote Spring (namely movements III, and IV, which is in progress) to be somewhat similar to Archaeopteris in the way I perceived it. However, if you don't see it as I do, you might not see Spring as being similar to it. Movement III is named Resurgence, and I was going for the feel of life coming back after hibernation in the winter. *unties knot*... you're not going to soak me for this, are you? Aurora   Illumina  12:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

What I hear most often is the chord progression Fm D♭ A♭ E♭ Fm, and second most often is Fm A♭ D♭ A♭ E♭ F6 Fm. The identification of the F6 is uncertain. The Fm is sometimes a Fm9. The E♭ is maybe sometimes a E♭7. At the end the key modulates up a whole step and goes through similar progressions to end on a B♭. Because phrasing makes the resolution chord of these progressions Fm (or sounds like Fm because Fm-D♭ is a common progression), this gives the impression that the piece is in a minor key, even though most of the chords are major. A possible reason the A♭(sometimes nonexistent) gets filled in by the listener is because the instruments used (bass cello?) have many overtones that fill in this note. Another possible reason the A♭ gets filled in by the listener is because the piece is in the key of A♭(modulating to B♭ at the end). I would call the genre ambient music, which is one of my favorite styles. Obankston (talk) 06:01, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I suppose that's one way of looking at it. Glad to know I'm not alone, and thanks your insight. Aurora   Illumina  12:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I am afraid I have no idea what a "letter-number" chord like "Fm9" is supposed to mean - I have no background whatsoever in piano - and as such my comprehension of your paragraph is limited. About the overtones filling in the note, that is certainly possible. The instrument I used to play that line is "String Ensemble 1", which could very well make a large variety of 'auto-chords' due to its nature. (Interestingly enough, the "filling in" I mentioned in my first post is done with a Cello, which is what you hear filling in the spaces even with SE1). <font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:black"> -RadicalOne --- Contact Me  16:57, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, keep in mind that a chord only containing the notes C and F can be filled with either an A or an A♭. Which one it gets filled in with depends on its surroundings, and I (and Obankston) perceive A♭ as it fits more naturally (as far as traditional music goes) with its surroundings. Try adding an A♭ to the first chord. Then, try changing the A♭ to an A♮. I don't expect the latter to sound very good, as the A♮ is out of place next to the other chords. (As for the chord notation, it's something I don't know fully either. See the page Chord (music).)
 * PS. In my previous edit, I replied in two places at once, though I'm not sure if I should have done that. (I replied to your re-indent as well.) Aurora   Illumina  17:52, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, no, the A does not sound dissonant, but it gives the wrong "step interval" to the next chord. When I use an A♭, the chord sounds like it moves upwards to next one. If I use A, it sounds like it stays the same (or even moves down a bit). And the page did not help my understanding at all.
 * No, I did not see your other reply - the one to my "re-indent" - so here is my reply to it: I thank you for removing the knot - painlessly, I might add - and have no plans to soak you. As for Spring's similarity to Archaeopteris, you know full well that I will not see any similarity at all. You do remember what happened the last time you tried to imitate me. <font face="Courier New"><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:black"> -RadicalOne --- Contact Me  20:18, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * As for Reality Shift: That piece was trying (and failed to) imitate your harmonic pieces, which were totally non-traditional. Archaeopteris, however, seems much more "natural" to me, and thus I can imitate it much closer than I can imitate the harmonic pieces. Aurora   Illumina  21:55, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Update:
I suppose there may well be something "minor" about Archaeopteris. However, you also said Metamorphosis was rather like a minor piece. This piece is even more oriented to those notes, as you can hear by where I add the harmonics on the Cello, Guitar, Synth choir, and "Tubular Bells". This becomes even more obvious when the melody appears: Black is the original bassline as seen above; blue is what has been added for the melody. And then, of course, there is the Clarinet and SFX Crystal part, which is entirely major-chord harmonics - the clarinet plays the standard "core" of each chord - for example, CGC in a CMaj chord - and the crystal plays the whole chord. And on top of that, there is the piano solo. Again, all major-chord-making notes! Please explain why this is minor... <font face="Courier New"><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:black"> -RadicalOne --- Contact Me  20:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * After I look at it closely, it's not really minor. It simply has a lot of tonality shifts. The main melody uses a Phrygian minor scale, the piano solo takes a return to your all-major-chords theme, so I will withdraw my saying that this is minor.
 * (PS. I once again replied in two places here.) Aurora   Illumina  21:55, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I am afraid you have lost me on why it is "Phrygian"... <font face="Courier New"><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:black"> -RadicalOne --- Contact Me  22:02, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I say this entirely based on the presence of the C♭ in the main melody. A Phrygian minor scale is the only diatonic (7-note) scale that contains all notes in that main melody. Aurora   Illumina  22:04, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Looking at the article, I have no idea what scale you are talking about. The only scale I see is this one, which isn't even close. And I maintain - vehemently - that the aforementioned note is a "B", not a "C♭".



<font face="Courier New"><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:black"> -RadicalOne --- Contact Me  22:09, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Whoops. I meant a B♭ Phrygian, not a C Phrygian (which is what the image shows.) Try taking that scale and moving it down a whole tone, and the notes will line up. Aurora   Illumina  22:26, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Re-indent: Now I don't have a C or D natural. Which are used in the piece, if not this melody here. And no, there's no key change, as the other notes in the melody I am thinking of - the French Horn part - are still mostly F#, G#, Bb, and Eb. <font face="Courier New"><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:black"> -RadicalOne --- Contact Me  22:51, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I said that only that main melody was in the Phrygian scale (B♭, C♭/(B♮), D♭, E♭, F, G♭, A♭, B♭). The rest of it is in some other mode/scale which I won't try to decipher, as I don't think it would fit any existing classification. While B♭ is the tonal center in most of the piece, it changes mode all the time. I won't bother going into detail for this piece. Aurora   Illumina  23:24, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I suppose that means my efforts to break convention were a success. That said, I am now left with the question of how I managed to write a piece in some obscure scale that I have never heard of. Perhaps it has to do with something else I have in mind... <font face="Courier New"><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:black"> -RadicalOne --- Contact Me  23:30, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Some of your music is strange enough to break all convention. Others seem strange at first, but end up simply having a name neither of us have heard of until later. Part of this falls in the latter case, as for finding the Phrygian scale. Part of this meets the former. I'm not going to try imitating this one, as it probably will fail like Reality Shift did. (BTW, I was fairly certain about my success at imitating Archaeopteris with Spring-III and IV, until you said you don't perceive the chord as being a minor chord. These pieces have the tonal center on a minor chord, but also contain a lot of major chords as well. I was afraid of being soaked for another "failed imitation".) Aurora   Illumina  23:39, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Here is a word of advice: You, nor almost anyone else on this planet, nor anyone within 35786000 meters of it, will ever successfully "enter" my mindset or perceive something as I do, and by extension, do things the way I do them. Oh, and noone on your moon, either. <font face="Courier New"><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:black"> -RadicalOne --- Contact Me  23:47, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. However, here's a bit of irony: Here is my Theme and Variations in C major. RadicalOne has written a small coda for that piece. The irony is, I think the coda that he wrote is actually more conventional than the rest of it. Aurora   Illumina  03:16, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Re-indent: You do know I made that coda by trying to imitate you, correct? And that I made it in about 10 seconds? <font face="Courier New"><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:black"> -RadicalOne --- Contact Me  04:03, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The piece Metamorphosis is completely major - I heard no minor chords. The chord progression is mostly G♭ A♭ B♭, but done with fifths, with the listener or 'auto-chords' or the arpeggios filling in the major third. Obankston (talk) 23:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting how the listener adds different notes depending on the chord structure I use. Even more interesting than one would expect, given that I am perceiving them as a completely different structure than everyone else. <font face="Courier New"><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:black"> -RadicalOne --- Contact Me  00:08, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

"This user can spend a long time on a single talk page"
Is this a reference to our discussion? ;)  -RadicalOne •Contact Me•Chase My Tail 03:34, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, that one, and also the one that happened on this page (about the minor/major nature of Archaeopteris). Aurora   Illumina  14:28, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I see. Yes, I have a habit of making these last hours or even days.  -RadicalOne •Contact Me•Chase My Tail 17:09, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

About the lunatic
The was far from sufficient for an edit like this, especially a repeat offense (notice the fact the first two digits are the same in the IP). Such edits warrant the 4im level of the NPA template.  -RadicalOne •Contact Me•Chase My Tail 23:05, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Status Template
I finally got it working; do you want me to make a custom one for you?  -RadicalOne •Contact Me•Chase My Tail 21:15, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure. Thanks! Aurora   Illumina  23:25, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have any preferences with regards to icons (counterparts to the colored ones I have), color schemes, etc?  -RadicalOne •Contact Me•Chase My Tail 01:13, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * PS
 * I'm going to do the preliminary setup, what with my template being next to incomprehensible to anyone else. So this is just a heads up that I'll be creating and editing a couple of user subpages for you.  -RadicalOne •Contact Me•Chase My Tail 01:14, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll need you to create a subpage titled User:Aurora Illumina/[skin you use].js. I do not have privileges to edit another's Javascript. Just copy the one from mine.  -RadicalOne •Contact Me•Chase My Tail 01:19, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I also need to know some other preferences - what align (right, center, etc) do you want? Which update links? Do you need a new one? And so on.  -RadicalOne •Contact Me•Chase My Tail 01:21, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I see you have it functioning and have already started to customize it. :) Do you want me to make any special images for it?  -RadicalOne •Contact Me•Chase My Tail 01:57, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't need images for the time being. I may edit the grammar in it slightly (it uses third person at the top, so I may change it to third person for the rest. But then again, my non-revealing of my gender is something that makes it difficult to refer to oneself in the third person, so I might not do that... Aurora   Illumina  02:01, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Music
Damn, your music is good.

You got it in mp3 form anywhere I can grab it?

Oh, and you might very much enjoy Bluin' the Black Keys. DS (talk) 01:27, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Sorry, but I haven't released them anywhere for download. As for Bluin' the Black Keys, the music's fine, but not quite my style. Aurora   Illumina  23:54, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you want to look into making a website like I did. :)  -RadicalOne •Contact Me•Chase My Tail 00:06, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

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