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Major Revision to article: HMS Lady Nelson
The aim of the major revision to HMS Lady Nelson (1798), which was entered on 23 October 2013, has been to provide a more detailed history of the Lady Nelson and cite the source of as much information as possible. In so doing errors have been revealed and these have been corrected. Existing material has been incorporated where relevant. It has not been the intention to unneccessarily delete any existing material, but if this has inadvertantly occurred please bring it to my attention for resolution.

Changes to the text include:
 * The measurements under the 'Description' heading, cited from Winfield page 383, have been omitted as they apply specifically to the Trial. They do not apply to the Lady Nelson. A primary source of the measurements of the Lady Nelson quoted by Winfield has not been found.
 * The launch date of the Lady Nelson has been corrected. It was a brand new vessel built in 1799.
 * The section on replica vessels has been revised to avoid duplication of material on other websites. (Where there is duplication there will often be discrepancies which may confuse our readers) Full details of the replicas, and on-going activities, are available on their own websites.

Information in the Notes (footnotes, citations, references and external links) has been presented in conformity with 'Wikipedia: Citing sources'. URL's of digitised versions of textual material have been omitted.

The following references (now called Citations) have been omitted for the reasons stated below:
 * [2] As noted above, the measurements quoted under 'Description' in the previous version of this Wikipedia article relate to the Trial and not the Lady Nelson.
 * [3] The Lady Nelson referred to in James, William, Volume II, (1837) The Naval History of Great Britain, is not the Lady Nelson that is the subject of this article.
 * [4] The reference is not clearly defined.
 * [5] Flinders, Matthew (1801). Observations on the coasts of Van Diemen's Land, on Bass's Strait and its islands and on part of the coasts of New South Wales, does not relate to the Lady Nelson.
 * [6] The reference is not clearly defined.
 * [7] The date of the Lady Nelson's stranding in Port Macquarie, in Bateson, Charles (1972), Australian Shipwrecks: Including vessels wrecked en route to or from Australia, and some strandings, is incorrect.
 * [8] All editions of the Sydney Gazette and New South Wales Advertiser, cited in the revised article, can be viewed in Trove, the URL of which appears in the list of external links in the revised article.
 * [9] The source contains errors that also appeared in the previous version of this Wikipedia article.
 * [10] The source contains errors.
 * [11] The Lady Nelson chapter in the linked book contains errors that also appeared in the previous version of this Wikipedia article.
 * [12] The name of the Chairman of the The Tasmanian Sail Training Association is not really relevant to this history.

Much of the research into this article was carried out using Watson, F. (ed.) (1915-1925), Historical Records of Australia, Sydney (HRA), and this source has been cited where relevant. HRA is largely based on manuscripts kept at The National Archives of England and Wales, Kew (TNA) and these manuscripts have also been cited where found. However further searching is required to find all of the TNA references.

The following external links have been omitted. A common reason for their omission is that, with one exception, they contain errors that also appeared in the previous version of this Wikipedia article. In these cases it seems inapropriate to direct readers of this article to inaccurate information. This is consistent with the Wikipedia Manual of Style that advocates external links being used with discretion. By providing a link Wikipedia could possibly be perceived to have endorsed the information on such sites:


 * Paul, Lorraine (1982), First Lady: The story of HMS Lady Nelson. Material on which this book is based is now cited in this revised article. The book also contains errors as noted above.
 * Murray, John (2002), HM Survey Vessel Lady Nelson and the discovery of Port Phillip. The ships logs and journals, on which this book appears to be based, are now cited in this revised article. The book also contains errors as noted above.
 * Sergeant, John (1998) Rebirth of a Lady: The Lady Nelson project, from conception to rebirth, book 1, 1980 to launch, reflections and recollections. This book is mainly about a replica of the Lady Nelson. The book also contains errors as noted above.
 * The papers of Geoffrey Chapman Ingleton comprise his notes and graphic and textual material copied from various sources. References to his original sources are covered by the References section in this revised version of this article.
 * Historical information about the Lady Nelson, on the Tasmanian Sail Training Association's website, contains errors as noted above. Whilst on the subject of the Tasmanian Sail Training Association's replica it is suggested that the two existing pictures of the vessel be replaced by one of the vessel under full sail as appears on the Association's website. This is a much better picture. One picture of the replica should be sufficient. We should bear in mind that the article is about the original vessel and should not be overshadowed by the replicas.

As it now transpires that the Lady Nelson was a new vessel built in 1799, the title of the article should be changed to HMS Lady Nelson (1799). Once a consensus has been reached on this matter, the appropriate steps can be taken to make the necessary changes.

Links to the following three Categories have been removed as they are incorrect (references to the Lady Nelson in the linked pages are being deleted). AustMarHist 00:57, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * 1798 ships
 * Maritime incidents in 1825
 * Hired armed vessels of the Royal Navy

Undo of anonymous contributions 222.164.5.121 and 222.164.6.26
My major revision, entered on 23 October 2013, was an attempt to present the history of the Lady Nelson in a factual, encyclopedic style. Deletion of the reference to the replica vessel being in temporary financial difficulties suggests either disagreement with the statement or a desire to suppress the information.

In my opinion insertion of the words 'arriving to much fanfare to many towns sharing the replica with many Australians' is an emotive and parochial statement which should not appear in an encyclopedia read throughout the English-Speaking world. The paragraph 'Up-to-date information about the activities of the replica can be found on the website of the Tasmanian Sail Training Association' was inserted to discourage the use of the page as a notice-board for information that rightly belongs to the their own website. It should not have been deleted without discussion.

The note on my Talk Page invited earlier editors to contact me if any changes were considered necessary to my revised article. Perhaps the contributors have not read my notes. I am unable to contact them through Wikipedia as apparently they are anonymous contributors.