User talk:Automaticshutter

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June 2010
You should wait for others to write an article about subjects in which you are personally involved, instead of writing it yourself. This applies to articles about you, your achievements, your band, your business, your publications, your website, your relatives, and any other possible conflict of interest.

Creating an article about yourself is strongly discouraged. If you create such an article, it might be listed on articles for deletion. Deletion is not certain, but many feel strongly that you should not start articles about yourself. This is because independent creation encourages independent validation of both significance and verifiability. All edits to articles must conform to No original research, Neutral point of view, and Verifiability.

If you are not "notable" under Wikipedia guidelines, creating an article about yourself may violate the policy that Wikipedia is not a personal webspace provider and would thus qualify for speedy deletion. If your achievements, etc., are verifiable and genuinely notable, and thus suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later. (See Wikipedians with articles.) Thank you. &mdash; Timneu22 · &#32; talk 16:34, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello - I would like to inform you that I am NOT personally involved - I was asked to write up an article because of my experience here on Wikipedia. It was incorrectly deleted twice now.

Speedy deletion nomination of The Undead Dinosaurs From Hell
A tag has been placed on The Undead Dinosaurs From Hell requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a band or musician, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for musical topics. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag - if no such tag exists then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hangon tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 00:04, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I have already done so, and of course, incorrect action was taken.

Please stop. If you continue to introduce inappropriate pages to Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. If you need guidance on how to create appropriate pages, try using the Article Wizard. Jminthorne (talk) 00:12, 3 June 2010 (UTC) I do not need guidance, or you telling me that I do. I am a contributor to many Wikipedia pages INCLUDING the US ARMY page. Thank YOU for being stupid. I am sick of talking to people who are accusing me of being "personally involved." Someone in the NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS AFFECTED BY THIS asked me to write up an article because of my prior experience.

Your recent edits to Talk:The Undead Dinosaurs From Hell could give Wikipedia contributors the impression that you may consider legal or other "off-wiki" action against them, or against Wikipedia itself. Please note that making such threats on Wikipedia is strictly prohibited under Wikipedia's policies on legal threats and civility. Users who make such threats may be blocked. If you have a dispute with the content of any page on Wikipedia, please follow the proper channels for dispute resolution. Please be sure to comment on content not contributors, and where possible make specific suggestions for changes supported by reliable independent sources and focusing especially on verifiable errors of fact. Thank you. Salvio ( Let's talk 'bout it!) 00:14, 3 June 2010 (UTC) Please consider re-visiting that talk page and using your brain.

Welcome to Wikipedia. If you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:
 * 1) editing or creating articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with;
 * 2) participating in deletion discussions about articles related to your organization or its competitors; and
 * 3) linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see Spam).

Please familiarize yourself with relevant policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, verifiability of information, and autobiographies.

For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. JNW (talk) 00:15, 3 June 2010 (UTC) Wrong.

The Undead Dinosaurs from Hell
Three points:
 * 1) It was deleted under WP:CSD. There was nothing in the article to distinguish them from any other garage/MySpace band. Wikipedia doesn't have articles about garage bands.
 * 2) You need to read WP:NLT. If you make legal threats against Wikipedia, you will be blocked. That's to ensure that all communications between you and Wikipedia are handled by your lawyer and the Wikimedia foundation.
 * 3) If you create a version of the article, complete with sourcing and some credible reason to believe it will pass WP:BAND, at User:Automaticshutter/Undead Dinosaurs from Hell, I'll move it into article space myself. Please take the time to read over WP:BAND before you start.&mdash;Kww(talk) 00:43, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

It was not. If you had been able to read the article, you would have noted that it was about the band's influence of the creation of "The Woods of the Suicides Prevention" - a nonprofit suicide prevention program that has highly affected our community. Also, I didn't make a legal threat. I simply stated that the ''band" would be taking legal action - they had been in communication with me. They have had several discrimination issues with Wikipedia in the past (I was informed of this.. cannot verify). I had created a version that would pass, spending nearly two hours on it, only to be deleted immediately by the same human who had done so previously (about 6 months ago, upon the original creation). The original band page should have been deleted - it was poorly sited and horrible at the least. However, upon its recreation I spent delicate time rebuilding the article and finding links to the bands pages, (including comments on the Facebook page proving the band's importance), and placing references in.
 * I created the article again at User:Automaticshutter/Undead Dinosaurs from Hell. Go ahead and edit it there, and if you can make a credible article out of it, I'll restore it as an article for you. Being associated with an unknown suicide prevention project and Facebook comments emphatically are not enough. Read over the requirements of WP:BAND, and figure out how to satisfy those requirements.&mdash;Kww(talk) 00:56, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There's a big difference between "has released" and "under contract to release". After those two albums are released, point 5 will be met. Right now it's not. I won't be able to reply immediately ... I'm going to be away from my computer for a few hours.&mdash;Kww(talk) 01:03, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There are no Google hits . Encyclopedia articles don't get accepted based on WP:CRYSTAL. Kww has been exceedingly patient, given that you've passed along legal threats by a subject who's peeved because they don't have their own article. JNW (talk) 01:13, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Salvio ( Let's talk 'bout it!) 00:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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