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Why remove?
Why was it necessarily the removal, according to this link?: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Columbia_International_University&oldid=prev&diff=1054269170 I didn't copy/paste it from the institution's website or anything. jlog3000 (talk) 01:57, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I left an edit summary; you could read that for an explanation and read the links to Wikipedia policy I provided in that edit summary.--- Avatar317 (talk) 22:35, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Pffff, I can't believe it. I thought that Wikipedia don't allow pieces from actual sources, but can like re-innovate in a sense of being expressed in the editor's own words. jlog3000 (talk) 22:44, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

DoorDash
Hi, Avatar317! You reviewed my initial request for improving the DoorDash article at Talk:DoorDash. I've submitted another request to add mention of the company's expansion into international markets and additional service offerings, which I'd like to think are generally appropriate for a company overview, but so far no editors have replied even though I'm using the edit request template. Might you have a moment to revisit the article's talk page, review the proposed text, and update the article appropriately? Thanks for your consideration! AH at DoorDash (talk) 19:24, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

ILO is a UN Agency
The ILO is a UN Agency -- by definition it creates standards for labor-- you wouldn't call another international agency responsible for standards, such as the IPCC an advocacy group? You are taking the sourcing policy to an extreme -- just transition is defined by the labor movement, it would be natural to use their definitions in the article, even if they are from self-published sources -- because by definition, they are the authority for the topic. Sadads (talk) 12:11, 5 October 2021 (UTC)


 * And, if you think there are better sources: cite them, instead of purging reasonable and neutral content on the topic, Sadads (talk) 12:12, 5 October 2021 (UTC)


 * It isn't reasonable and neutral content, it is promotional for their agenda. And yes, they are a ADVOCACY group, just like the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime advocates for drug illegality (against the science and medical professions) because they get their money/policy objectives NOT from science but from what is popular in their supporting countries, just like the ILO gets its policy objectives NOT from economists, but from the labor movement.--- Avatar317 (talk) 20:22, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, what you are saying is a convoluted and balatant misinterpretation of the source and policy: Just Transition is a concept defined by the labor movement, and championed by ILO in the Climate Negotiations -- we have to include the expert organizations who are defining the concepts in the article. ILO is an international authority on this concept -- we might not use them to describe economic policy, but we would certainly use them to describe proposed standards by the labor movement. Sadads (talk) 22:32, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * We are really clearly attributing opinions to the organization, not treating them as fact -- so we are using WP:DUE and WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV to include their opinions -- this is regularly done on every polemic topic on the encyclopedia. Sadads (talk) 22:34, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The problems with self-sourcing are both that it is easy to give WP:UNDUE weight to their viewpoint, whereas Independent Sources might balance their views with opposing views, (like the extra costs associated with a "just transition" which the unions don't mention) and that self-sourcing leads to biased phrasing: Religious entities phrase their anti-gay marriage stance as "promoting traditional marriage", and likewise unions like to phrase low-paying jobs in poorer countries as "worker exploitation" whereas for people in extreme poverty, low paying jobs are a route out of poverty.


 * This is still promotional. "In 2015, the ILO published its “Guidelines for a just transition ..."  How many publications are we going to list by the ILO?  Every time they publish something?  What makes this publication notable enough to include?  That's why we need Independent Sources to verify that this publication of theirs is important enough to mention.--- Avatar317 (talk) 01:07, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

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Hi again, Avatar317! The editor who reviewed my most recent requests for the DoorDash article seems to have moved on. Since you reviewed my initial request, I was wondering if you might help update the infobox or add mention of the recent launch in Germany. I&#39;d like to think the requests are fairly straightforward and not controversial. Thanks again for your help! AH at DoorDash (talk) 00:18, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
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 * Hi, Drmies. No, User:Alice Jason is not a DoorDash employee and has not been paid by the company. AH at DoorDash (talk) 00:45, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

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The article was reverted to a reasonable state, and since then it has been a little warred over. My concern is listed here Talk:WeWork When the article was reverted it was fine, in a prose style and in reasonable standing. It then had a couple of edits that turned it into a massive list of bullet points.

I have asked for someone to fix it, but wondered if you could go and take a look?

Thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 02:42, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

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On the American Life League page, I removed two programs that are no longer active (they haven't been for years) and replaced them with two programs that are currently active. You reverted the edit -- why? The reversion now has old information because of it.

Additionally, I updated a section linking to Charity Navigator referencing 2012 information with more updated information, linking to the same Charity Navigator but in 2019, and you reverted that edit too. Why?

There was also a "citation needed" regarding the location the of the organization, so I provided a citation link to their contact page containing their address, phone number, etc and that was reverted. Why?

Byzic0n — Preceding unsigned comment added by Byzic0n (talk • contribs) 01:46, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

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 * Just so I understand what you mean, is this my comment that you are referring to: "Additionally, we shouldn't just simple-mindedly remove random paragraphs here, rather we should read the sources and see whether these represent any of the CCC's policy objectives and if so, then re-write them as an example of how they accomplish these goals" ? --- Avatar317 (talk) 05:00, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

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The information on medication abortion vs. continued pregnancy mortality rates
Hi! I put the information you requested on my talk page—thankfully I was able to find it again—but I figured I should copy and paste it here for you as well in case you don’t happen to check back there:

Here’s the information on the mortality count for women who died after a mifepristone abortion: https://www.ansirh.org/sites/default/files/publications/files/mifepristone_safety_4-23-2019.pdf

As you can see, the FDA reported 24 in total, but 11 of those were definitely unrelated to the abortion (for example, women who were murdered), so it’s actually only 13 out of the approximately 3.7 million women who have done medication abortions in the U.S. who *possibly* died from arising complications, and the mortality rate is actually just 0.35 deaths per 100,000 medication abortions.

And I got the U.S. maternal mortality rate from this Wikipedia article, iirc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_mortality_in_the_United_States

As you can see, estimates of maternal mortality in the U.S. vary greatly, so I went with the number down in the chart on that article that compares the U.S. to other countries and which says that the U.S. maternal mortality rate is 26.4 per 100,000 live births.

26.4 divided by 0.35 is 75.4285714 (because that’s as far as my calculator goes), and I rounded that down to 75 times.

I’m afraid that this wouldn’t work to cite for an article, though, because it would count as original research since I did the math myself. Also, it seems like no one actually knows how many women die from giving birth in the U.S., with such huge variations in estimations. VictimOfEntropy (talk) 23:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC) VictimOfEntropy (talk) 23:50, 5 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for finding that source!!! I think that can be used to improve the article by using the source's statement: "The mortality rate for women known to have had a live-born infant is 8.8 per 100,000 live births, which is about 14 times higher than the mortality rate associated with medication abortion."  So that will give us more comparison then the none that we currently have in the Medical abortion article, without any Original Research.  Thanks again!!! --- Avatar317 (talk) 00:56, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

What source are you referring to? The first article I linked—the one that mentions the medication abortion mortality rate as 0.35–says “Nationally, the pregnancy-related mortality ratio is 18 deaths per 100,000 live births”. So the live birth mortality rate would be more than 51 times higher by that estimate—a *lot* higher than 14. VictimOfEntropy (talk) 01:05, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I see where you got that quote from now. That’s weird... I didn’t notice that before. Why would it say 18 from pregnancy complications and then turn around and say 8.8 from live births, when other articles like this one say 26.4 from live births: https://www.npr.org/2017/05/12/528098789/u-s-has-the-worst-rate-of-maternal-deaths-in-the-developed-world VictimOfEntropy (talk) 01:13, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I agree that their (ansirh's) statements are confusing..."Nationally, the pregnancy-related mortality ratio is 18 deaths per 100,000 live births, ... The mortality rate for women known to have had a live-born infant is 8.8 per 100,000 live births"...I'm GUESSING that since the first stat is sourced to this site: which defines "The Pregnancy Mortality Surveillance System (PMSS) defines a pregnancy-related death as the death of a woman while pregnant or within 1 year of the end of pregnancy from any cause related to or aggravated by the pregnancy."  While the other source (Raymond & Grimes) may include only deaths up to and at the time of delivery.  This could explain the discrepancy.  Also, the NPR article is based on a study published in the Lancet, so a totally different study. Thanks again for finding the source. --- Avatar317 (talk) 04:39, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

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Removal of self-sourced content on Democrats for Life of America
With regard to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrats_for_Life_of_America, I think I understand your reason for deleting my edit, but it is making me wonder if the entire section should be deleted because the entirety of what is out there can be considered self-reporting. It is not like these people are getting a lot of press, especially with regard to their virtually nonexistent relationship to the DNC. The remainder of the section is either unsourced or is linked to information that has no connection to DFLA at all. Can we remove the section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 13Kenzie13 (talk • contribs) 02:48, 10 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, you are right; I agree with completely removing the "Relationships" section. Bob Casey Jr., is mentioned in the section above, and is too trivial to justify an entire section.  Thanks for bringing this up! --- Avatar317 (talk) 05:17, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

“Hypothetical situation” at Administrators’ Noticeboard
It looks like no one notified you about the “hypothetical situation” brought up at Administrators' noticeboard It’s probably of interest to you, nonetheless. 2601:410:200:41C0:D96F:93F7:4AC3:C78D (talk) 17:04, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for notifying me!!! Being as it came from a content dispute between that editor and myself, I think that editor should have notified me. --- Avatar317 (talk) 22:35, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

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