User talk:Ave/Archive 1

Table dates
Hi, please remember to update the dates that accompany career stats tables. Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 21:13, 17 October 2017 (UTC)


 * My apologies, will do in future! Thanks. Formulaonewiki (talk) 15:29, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Totals
Sorry about the revert, it makes sense that a single season should not have a total, thank you for giving a reason! :) Csknowitall (talk) 12:17, 19 April 2018 (UTC)


 * No worries Formulaonewiki (talk) 21:11, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Highest break info-box edits reply
In most cases there was a maximum break section further down the page. I also felt it looked a bit untidy. I left the number of 147s in the infobox. Below is the link. (Mobile mundo (talk) 00:10, 8 May 2018 (UTC)) Mobile mundo (talk) 00:10, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Snooker#High_break_field_in_infoboxes

Your GA nomination of Lewis Hamilton
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 * Hey, thanks for taking it on! I'll be checking in to help with any suggestions you have for improvements and discussions that need to be had. Formulaonewiki (talk) 18:51, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

factin Lewis Hamilton intro
I was going to discuss this in my (probably near the end of the weekend) longer writeup for GAR, but since you asked ... I understand your perspective, and thanks for not misunderstanding WP:LEADCITE as some people do.

My position is that those are extraordinary claims (i.e., records he holds), and thus the sort of thing that should be cited when it appears in an intro.

(I apologize for taking longer to get to this than I said I would; Tuesday's derecho knocked our power out for a day and the rest of the week into a cocked hat). Daniel Case (talk) 03:47, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Lewis Hamilton
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Your GA nomination of Lewis Hamilton
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Lewis Hamilton Page
Hi there,

I noticed a mistake on your Lewis Hamilton wiki page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Hamilton

In the section summarising the 2013 season and the British Grand Prix at silverstone you stated Hamilton started from 'an unexpected pole' and went on to win the race.

Actually he did get pole but in the race he suffered a rear left puncture (in a race where I think 4 drivers also suffered rear left punctures) and eventually finished 4th, not 1st.

Hope that's of help, still a very good page and a very good read. Thank you.

Kind regards, Mark Read. Marcus.read@hotmail.co.uk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:7224:EF00:888F:5F3C:F14A:B43D (talk) 23:13, 8 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Mark, thanks for voicing when you've noticed a suspected error in an article, although in this case I think you might have misread the paragraph.


 * "The was Hamilton's first race win as a Mercedes driver, the first British driver to win a Formula One race in a Mercedes works car since Stirling Moss at the 1955 British Grand Prix, at Silverstone. Hamilton won the race from an unexpected pole position, eventually crossing the line nearly 11 seconds ahead of second-place finisher Kimi Räikkönen."


 * I can see how it can be easily misread, so I will probably reword the paragraph anyway, but the 'unexpected pole position' is actually referring to . (The British Grand Prix was only mentioned as reference to the fact about Stirling Moss).


 * While I think this one was misread, if you find any issues in future articles, it would be best to create a new section on the article's talk page (in this case, Talk:Lewis Hamilton) as despite what my username might suggest (as well as my recent and quite large contributions to the article), I sadly cannot take ownership of the article (see WP:OWN)! The article is a collective work, and as wikipedia clarify: "No one, no matter how skilled, or how high-standing in the community, has the right to act as though they are the owner of a particular page".


 * I hope this helps, and I'd recommend you make your own account if you like and use wikipedia, even if it's only for correcting minor things! Thanks. --Formulaonewiki (talk) 16:47, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

2018 season section
I looked at it and, other than keeping the figures/words usage consistent with the rest of the article, it's up to the same standard. Good work! Daniel Case (talk) 18:29, 11 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking a look! Formulaonewiki (talk) 19:32, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Gerrard
Use tha talk page for any issue with any of the years being listed for personal awards. F8RIL (talk) 13:17, 28 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Correct, you should use the talk page. Formulaonewiki (talk) 13:18, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Years being listed is not prohibited. See Thierry Henry, a featured article.F8RIL (talk) 13:21, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Use the talk page on Steven Gerrard for discussion. No-one said it wasn't prohibited, you just haven't even attempted to justify why it is necessary. Formulaonewiki (talk) 13:22, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Direct me to this agreement.F8RIL (talk) 13:29, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Your justification for including the years based on Thierry Henry makes no sense; the exact years are not listed there either. It is a summary, it is not necessary for the years to be listed. "He was named the PFA Players' Player of the Year twice, and the FWA Footballer of the Year three times, and has been named in the UEFA Team of the Year five times." to quote your 'example'.


 * Based on your logic you should also include in brackets the year for everything else mentioned in the head, suggesting it should be changed to "In his 17 seasons at Anfield (1998-2015), Gerrard won a total of two FA Cups (2001, 2006), three League Cups (2001, 2003, 2012), one UEFA Champions League (2005), one UEFA Cup (2001), one FA Community Shield (2006) and one UEFA Super Cup (2001)." which is clearly ridiculous and not necessary. Formulaonewiki (talk) 13:34, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Given the subject is personal awards, and given the years of his other personal awards are listed, your comment is irrelevant. Where is the agreement over whether to list years? Direct me please. I’ve requested it on his talk page also. F8RIL (talk) 13:40, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Hamilton–Rosberg rivalry


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Nomination of Hamilton–Rosberg rivalry for deletion
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Lewis Hamilton
There is nothing in MOS:POSTNOM to say that a comma is not used where the 'award' has been written in 'small'. It is just that the example used to demonstrate the markup uses that method. It is conventional as far as I am aware to separate names from postnoms, where there is only one 'set', and MOS:POSTNOM seems reasonably clear on that. Eagleash (talk) 18:12, 20 December 2018 (UTC)


 * There is nothing there which explicitly states that no comma is used where the post-nominal has been written in 'small', however both examples omit the comma where the text is 'small'/not 100%. To me it seems fairly clear that this was intentional, and that the comma on Lewis Hamilton should be removed.
 * It states that "[p]ost-nominal letters should either be separated from the name by a comma and each set divided by a comma, or no commas should be used at all", which implies to me that it comes down more to preference of editors and either is acceptable. I believe it looks tidier without. --Formulaonewiki (talk) 18:16, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

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Wikimeetups
I don't know if you are at a London University, or elsewhere on the island- if you are not busy this Sunday, you would be most welcome. Meetup/London/138 --ClemRutter (talk) 11:34, 10 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know! I'm just outside London, in Surrey. I'd love to come but I'm in the middle of a bunch of assessments at the moment so will not be able to make this one. Have a good one though! Formulaonewiki (talk) 16:36, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

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Elizabeth College, Guernsey
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KSI
Why do you keep removing my edits? Because YouTube is not a reliable source? In the video, it mentions his parents are of Nigerian descent, which is exactly what I put down. Also, do you not see how many sources on that page are from YouTube? Michael14375 (talk) 04:59, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Have a read of WP:RS and WP:YOUTUBE; the YouTube videos you have cited as sources do not meet Wikipedia's reliable source requirements. Yes, I do see that YouTube has already been cited several times on the article and have already tagged all the YouTube sources on the page with a tag, as they are not reliable sources. (NB, just because lots of sources already on the page are from YouTube does not mean they are reliable or that this is accepted practice on Wikipedia.) If you can find a reliable source which supports the statements, then make your edit. If not, don't just keep adding it with YouTube as your only source.  Formulaone  wiki  14:21, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Racing record section Lewis Hamilton
Hi, I noticed you have added references to the Racing record section of Lewis Hamiltons' page. I think this is fine but wouldn't it be better to add a single source like is done here? I think a single source for every table would suffice. And you can also add more than one source if needed. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 20:35, 21 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I think it's a good suggestion -- looks tidier than how I did it with refs at the end of each row. I just want to be sure it satisfies the requirement for sources to be immediately after the information they verify.  Formulaone  wiki  20:50, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I have reduced the number of sources as his F1 statistics don't need a year by year reference. One source for his F1 statistics is sufficient. Regards, Jahn1234567890 (talk) 20:07, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

October 2019; Reply
Hello Again, on the matter of Welbeck Defence Sixth Form College may I inform you that I am employed by the MoD to document Welbeck before it closes in 2021. The ranks charts were made for the Welbeck page, but was incorporated into another, which is very common amongst Cadets and military ranks. This is but common practice. Furthermore; on the Welbeck page you persist to remove additional information such as houses and alumni. This is factually correct, please stop deleting this. I hope we can reach an understanding C. D. Southcott Esq. (talk)


 * If you are employed by the MoD to document it, then you are surely in the best position to find/publish verifiable source material about Welbeck. However, whatever you position you hold, and whatever information you personally know about the school, you are still required to follow Wikipedia's most fundamental guidelines on original research, citing sources and reliable sources, as well as more specific article guidelines such as WikiProject Schools article guidelines. Also take a look at policy on copying from one Wikipedia article to another; For content licensing reasons you need to ensure that any content copy-pasted from another Wikipedia article is appropriately attributed.


 * Read the descriptions given for reverting your edits and understand the reasons why they were reverted. None of your edits have been reliably sourced, and they do not meet the guidelines at WikiProject Schools. There is no need to add the colours of the houses in the infobox, and you cannot simply add content with no sources, regardless of how correct you believe it to me. Additionally, please be aware that "role accounts" are forbidden. Accounts on Wikipedia should be controlled by a single person, not a group or a collective. That means that whomever operates this account should do so in their own personal capacity, not as a representative of anyone else. Also have a look at Wikipedia's guidelines for conflicts of interest.


 * I've sought advice from an administrator, but I don't believe you should be editing the article unless you follow Wikipedia's guidelines. If you believe there is incorrect information in the article, leave a note on the talk page and try to provide sources for an editor to make an edit in accordance with Wikipedia policy. I understand you want to improve the article, but you must understand Wikipedia has policies which must be followed.  Formulaone  wiki  19:12, 14 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello Again, I see we unable to reach an understanding. Firstly, 'employed' is an quite overblown title as I receive no financial betterment from the MoD, 'Volunteered' is more fitting. Secondly, why shouldn't the colour boxes appear as it is the truth and again is common practice amongst private school pages, such as Welbeck DSFC.


 * I joined Wikipedia because I thought I could help a cause to spread information and the truth to the public and the next generation, to educate them etc. I hope you did too and in that spirit I am trying to improve this page.
 * Cheers, OCdt C. D. Southcott Esq.  (talk) 21:06, 19 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Please see my reply in the edit summary regarding your most recent addition of the colour boxes. (NB: also see Template:Infobox school which also demonstrates that Hlist should be used to list the houses). I appreciate your sentiment and sympathise with your desire to improve the page - over the last year I similarly set out to improve Elizabeth College, Guernsey -- however, you must understand the need for guidelines and standards when editing on Wikipedia. For example, (notwithstanding my previous reasoning for reverting the addition of colour boxes) I encourage you take a closer read of reliable sources to ensure you are finding the best (or at least good enough sources) to support your edits; I would suggest that perhaps a clothing retail company, and a tweet from a primary source, are not appropriate to cite information about the school such as house colours. Also, I'd strongly encourage you to cite your sources fully, with access dates/titles/publishing dates/names of publishers etc. as opposed to merely a url.


 * You may notice I have contributed somewhat to improving Welbeck also! A few months ago I added some bits of information to the infobox and tidied up some of the rougher edges, but indeed, the article still requires a fair amount of work. I'd suggest the best place to start would be the very first citation on the page, the most recent ISI inspection report from February 2018. Like I said previously, I sympathise with your sentiments, so I will likely make some edits of my own to improve the page in the near future too. I don't want to seem like I'm being obstructive -- I want to work with you on this -- I just will insist it's done properly.  Formulaone  wiki  22:12, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Elizabeth College, Guernsey
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 * Yay! I'll make sure I'm around to respond to any issues/suggested edits/discussions in the review. Thanks!  Formulaone  wiki  18:09, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , hi! I began my review and found a big problem - copyright violations! I've given an example on the review page (though there are more than just that one example) but suffice to say that by the formal criteria, this should have been an immediate fail. I don't think the violations were in bad faith, though, so I'm not going to fail the nomination yet. Please fix them ASAP and then I can resume the review. Ganesha811 (talk) 16:44, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Having written almost the entirety of the history section of the article, I must admit I'm confused as to how they can be so similar (particularly the example you pointed out!). The main source (among others) I used was the book by Bruce Parker. I remember checking the page you link (the elizabeth college website's history page) and it was far more brief than it appears to be now. I genuinely wonder if there's been lifting from the Wikipedia page to the college website page by staff at the college...  Formulaone  wiki  18:38, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your patience in not immediately failing the article, I'll have a dig in the Waybackmachine to see if I can demonstrate that the text was added here before on the school website, but in the mean-time, I'll see if I can address those issues myself.  Formulaone  wiki  18:39, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I just flicked through this and I'll address all the issues as best I can. I assume each one requires rewording/original wording plus clear and relevant citations, or do more/differnt sources need adding?  Formulaone  wiki  18:56, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , it would be interesting indeed if staff were lifting from the article - could be a case of non-harmful WP:Citogenesis?
 * If you can prove they copied, I don't think you'd need to change the text, but I think that would be pretty tough to prove. We'd want a high standard of proof, and I'm not sure we're gonna get it.
 * For now, I think rewording to ensure original phrasing is fine. I don't think we need new sources, presuming that the claims were originally well-sourced. Ganesha811 (talk) 21:58, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I believe I've addressed the infringing text. I'll make sure I'm around to address any further issues you identify. Thanks.  Formulaone  wiki  23:38, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , ok, great. Thanks for your prompt attention to this. I'll resume the GA review. Ganesha811 (talk) 21:08, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I believe I've addressed the infringing text. I'll make sure I'm around to address any further issues you identify. Thanks.  Formulaone  wiki  23:38, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , ok, great. Thanks for your prompt attention to this. I'll resume the GA review. Ganesha811 (talk) 21:08, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Fight Card Nationalities
Why remove the nationalities from the fight card? I can point to several other event pages whose fight cards list the nationalities. –uncleben85 ( talk ) 02:30, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not particularly fussed, just loks like needless clutter to me; there are plenty of fight articles without flags on the fight card too, I don't think there's any particular consensus either way. Feel free to add them back, I just don't think they're necessary.  Formulaone  wiki  08:04, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It truthfully doesn't really matter to me. I was just curious if there was a reason, like a standard that I was missing. Thanks! –uncleben85 ( talk ) 16:57, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Elizabeth College, Guernsey
The article Elizabeth College, Guernsey you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Elizabeth College, Guernsey for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Ganesha811 -- Ganesha811 (talk) 16:41, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking the time to review it! Really appreciated.  Formulaone  wiki  19:29, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Reliable Source
I recently did some edits to KSI (entertainer) 's page which you reverted. However, I didn't know that counts as disruptive editing since I'm still new to the wikipedia but I'll try to explain my case here and why they were all accurate and deserved to be added.

So under the "Wealth and Philanthropy" section, I was trying to add that KSI's net worth was estimated to be $11 Million in 2017 and as of 2019, KSI's net worth is estimated to be $20 Million. The 2017 estimate came from Gazette Review and the 2019 estimate came from Naibuzz. Few editors (including you) doubted the authenticity of Gazette Review and Naibuzz. One of the editors told me that the estimate has to be from a website which is counted as a "reliable source" and then it will be added.

So, here's the estimate of KSI's net worth from Daily Mirror UK which is counted as a reliable source on Wikiepediea, it estimates that "KSI's net worth was $11 Million in 2017 and at least $20 Million as of 2019 - and that's before he takes on Paul again" which is pretty much exactly the same figures as I was trying to add but now its from a reliable source and meets the criteria to be added.

Also, I would like to apologise for "disruptive editing". Really sorry for that. Once again, I'm new to this website, I'm still understanding all the rules. Cheers ! Zaydx (talk) 21:31, 21 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Please see my reply on the talk page. —  Formula One  wiki  21:36, 21 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I did. Daily Mirror UK is "marginally reliable" and is giving the exact same figures as the previous two sources I listed. There's already a lot of "marginally reliable resources" on youtuber's wikipedia pages that get added without any problem whatsoever.


 * I have given you 3 sources in total giving the exact same figures proving my edit request, one of them being Daily Mirror UK. I believe that is more than enough for my edit to be added. Zaydx (talk) 22:18, 21 November 2019 (UTC)


 * You seem to be missing the point. Make a new edit with information from reliable sources, but stop using the sources you have found to justify the use of Gazette Review as a reliable source -- it is not.  Formula One   wiki  00:34, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

December 2019, Reply
Hi Chap, My sincere apology, my main man. No hard feelings, eh? OCdt C. D. Southcott Esq. (talk) 07:46, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * NB, shortly after this comment, the above user was blocked indefinitely as a sockpuppet of . —Formulaonewiki 13:40, 8 March 2020 (UTC)