User talk:Aventoro

Lemieux
Would you mind explaining how it is that County Road 16 was travelling through the town on the same path it always had, when it was at the bottom of a sinkhole? And would you mind not adding subjective commentary that asserts the opinions of unnamed random generic people without citing proper reliable sources to demonstrate the notability of those opinions? Bearcat (talk) 04:01, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

The landslide did not occur in the town itself. It was at the edge of town where the Bradley farm was. I spent many summers there and was related to half of the town. A small section of the road was rerouted around the crater where no buildings, hydro poles or sidewalks had ever been. Township road 16 used to run nearly perpendicular to where it connects to 14.

Refer to this Google map link: https://maps.google.ca/maps?q=lemieux+ontario+map&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x4cce62c0a076650d:0xfc46a8f4284df283,Lemieux,+ON&gl=ca&ei=7ZYlUa_0KIHwiwKFj4HoAg&ved=0CDUQ8gEwAA

The town ran from point A and ended short of the second road 16 marker in the diagram (to the right of it). As you can see the crater is approximately 1/2 mile further down the road. You can see where the old portion of road 16 ran through the very tip of the crater (where the man was injured in his vehicle) and where it now takes a round angle and joins the old path further down the road.

P.S. And by the way, Bradley owned the land on either side of the crater with the exception of the very tip that extended through the old road path. The slide was almost perfectly centred through his farm. If you refer to the Google map again, you can see a thin private use road that marks the far exterior of Bradley's farm that runs perpendicular and toward the river (just before the fourth Rd 16 marker on the map after it intersects with Rd 14). If you drew a straight line along Rd 14 toward the river it would approximate the other edge of the property. The third and fourth being the river itself and the old path of Rd 16 after it intersects with 14.

P.S.S. Bradley is my Great Uncle, the farm was originally my Great Grandfather's. My Grandmother's farm was a short distance up the road. We spent many a summer day swimming in the river off the exposed rock that you can see just below the slide at the river's edge. I worked the farm for a least a hundred days as a teenager/young adult and know the parameters exceptionally well. I walked the road to the corner store in the town several hundred times and am related to most people in the grave yard - yes I'm an expert ;)


 * The point is that Wikipedia is not a group blog which invites people to post their own personal reflections or opinions of an article topic — we are an encyclopedia, and rely strictly on what reliable sources say. So your own personal experience of the town is irrelevant; if you can't add real media sources (books, newspaper articles, etc.) by which we can verify the accuracy of the content you want to add, then it can't be added no matter how true you may personally know it to be.
 * For example, the hydro poles might be of interest to us if, say, the hydro company had published a report into the actual, documented cost of replacing them — they are not of interest to us if all you can add is an unsourced assertion about how eerie some unnamed anonymous drivers might have found the scene to be. It doesn't matter how many people you may be able to talk to about the incident or the town's history — if their reflections have not actually been published on the record by real media, then they're not allowed to be in our article, because collecting undocumented personal recollections is just not how things work around here.
 * Kindly notice, for example, that I did not remove the stuff about the Bradley farm — because you cited an actual published source for it (although I did apply a minor correction to the source formatting). You're completely welcome to add that kind of stuff, sourced and factual and useful and not delving into the random subjective observations of anonymous people, to the article. The issue, rather, is with the assertion of a few random unnamed drivers' opinions of what the road looked like afterward, because you didn't cite an actual source for that part (and it's not clear why it would be important enough to be in an encyclopedia even if you could.) That's the kind of stuff you're not allowed to add.
 * By all means, you are welcome, and indeed encouraged, to contribute new content to the article, as long as you understand and respect the distinction between the good and bad kinds of content. Hope that helps a bit. Bearcat (talk) 06:15, 22 February 2013 (UTC)