User talk:Avenue/Archive2011

Earlier archived messages: 2004-2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010

New Zealand
Hi Avenue. I was hoping to extend on your good work to get the NZ article Featured. I have left some ideas on the talk page and some feedback or any other help would be great. Cheers, AIR corn (talk) 23:21, 22 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Aircorn, I've noticed your recent work on the NZ article, and I'm glad you're keen to improve it. I won't have much time to help in the immediate future (I think other things like defending existing NZ FAs should come first), but I hope I can help out in due course. --Avenue (talk) 15:14, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I did not even realise the Catlins was up for review. I will see what I can do to help over there. AIR corn (talk) 00:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * The way I phrased that was a bit sloppy, sorry. I just meant that the Catlins FAR was a higher priority for me at present, not that you should feel any obligation to work on that first. (But of course any contributions you can make there would be welcome!) --Avenue (talk) 08:23, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * No Bother. It looks like you have it under control, but I will keep it watchlisted. AIR corn (talk) 20:56, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for all your work on the images. I never thought it would be so difficult to get acceptable ones. Do you mind if I add File:Treatyofwaitangi.jpg and  File:Hikoi-foreshore.jpg to the end of the File licensing, etc section and add question marks and your comments to them? Just to keep everything in the same place. Am I right in assuming that if Kahuroa can identify the source then the first image should be fine? AIR corn (talk) 05:56, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * You're welcome - I wish I could do more. Sure, go ahead and add those to the list if you like. One reason it's difficult is that FAC reviewers are often tough on the documentation as well as the intrinsic acceptability of images. For instance, I'm pretty sure File:Treatyofwaitangi.jpg is in the public domain, and hence okay for Wikipedia to use, but its description page is a mess. --Avenue (talk) 14:53, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Unless you can think of anything else that needs addressing first I think it may be time to get a Peer Review. AIR corn (talk) 12:19, 17 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I have been meaning to get onto the images in the second half of the article. I'll try to do that sometime this weekend.
 * The "Art and entertainment" did need expanding, and you've done well there. However it now seems a bit too long to me, or at least lacks enough structure.
 * I haven't read through the whole article properly for a while. I'll try to do that in the next few days. --Avenue (talk) 21:53, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Cheers. The art section probably dwells too much on the history so could be cut or summarised better. A subsection or two might make it look better (I will split entertainment away now). Iridia will have a look over the weekend too, so I will wait until you two finish (and anyone else from the wikiproject) before taking the next step.
 * I feel the carving might present a bit of a problem image wise, but the rest of the photos don't seem too bad, a few sourcing issues aside. I was worried about the Edmund Hillary statue, but it might be alright under Freedom of panorama. I am only learning this stuff so I will leave it to you to do a more detailed analysis. AIR corn (talk) 23:46, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
That retraction was classy of you. μηδείς (talk) 00:54, 1 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Least I could do, when I realised I had got it wrong. It's probably time I took a break from the issue too. --Avenue (talk) 01:06, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

The Catlins
The end of the FAR must be a weight off your shoulders. Well done bringing the article up to scratch.- gadfium 05:30, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I am glad it's over. The process was quite drawn out; there were a few times I thought we had addressed all the concerns raised, only to have a new reviewer turn up and raise several more. I was half expecting that to happen again, so it's a relief to be done. --Avenue (talk) 07:53, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Wilma
Hi there - i saw your edit to Cyclone Wilma and i was wondering do you have a source for your sentence that it was the first one to hit NZ while still tropical? Many thanks.Jason Rees (talk) 18:40, 7 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes; I added that statement twice, once in the lead section, and once near the end of the article. I cited my source (this NZ Herald article) at the second sentence (currently footnote #33), but not in the lead section. --Avenue (talk) 20:08, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah ok thanks - i didnt see that you had actually added it to the bottom and cited it. I saw on his twitter account that he was talking about a fascinating record in last Sundays NZ Herald but i couldn't find the article so youve done me a favour. Thanks.:) Jason Rees (talk) 20:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Mount Warning
Well, you're the expert for that region. The article for Mount Warning says it's a shield volcano remnant, and List of shield volcanoes lists it as dormant, but I can't find it in the Smithsonian program or otherwise confirm its status. What do you think? Res Mar 16:26, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I believe it's the heavily eroded remnant of a Miocene shield volcano. No way I would describe it as dormant though. About 22 million years old, with activity over 3 million years or so, and the hotspot track has moved on by over 1,000 km. I'm not an expert, but I would be very surprised if that volcano ever erupts again. It won't be in the Smithsonian database because that only goes back 10,000 years. --Avenue (talk) 21:02, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Category:Persons convicted of fraud
Since you Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_January_26 in the recent CfD of Category:Persons convicted of fraud I wanted to inform you that the category was recently recreated and relisted. Here is a link to the current CfD should you wish to participate. [Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_February_20#Category:Persons_convicted_of_fraud]]. Cheers.Griswaldo (talk) 03:51, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

NZ barnstar

 * I feel I have only played a small role in developing that article, but thank you anyway. And thanks for your contributions to the article too! --Avenue (talk) 08:10, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Donald Pleasence restoration
no one reporting - mission accomplished! Featured_picture_candidates regards, Peter Weis (talk) 02:19, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Is it time?
I am thinking it might be time to submit NZ to FAC. I am not doing it without you though, so I am hoping you will have enough time in the next few weeks. That is unless you can think of any other issues that need addressing? AIR corn (talk) 06:38, 31 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, there are several improvements I would ideally like to make, but the only thing I'm sure is definitely needed before submitting to FAC is a thorough copyedit. I will have a go at this over the next few days or so. --Avenue (talk) 11:53, 31 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not going anywhere so we can wait for your improvements. Let me know if there is anything you think I can help with. AIR corn (talk) 21:23, 31 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, the lead section needs work. MOS:LEAD says it should be no more than four paragraphs, but it already sprawls over five, and its coverage seems uneven (light on history and culture). I think it also needs to be made more inviting to the reader. So there's plenty to do there if you want. I'm probably about halfway through my copyedit, but I might take a break from that to look at the lead too. --Avenue (talk) 02:18, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Shiva as the Lord of Dance LACMA.jpg
Hi Avenue, I've done an edit of the image in this nom:. Hopefully it addresses the issues you mentioned there. Mae din\ talk 14:28, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Maedin, that is much improved. Still a few dust spots, but good enough to get my full support. --Avenue (talk) 14:48, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

meetup
Just made Meetup/Auckland 6. Please pitch in with the notes if you can- I don't remember exactly everything that was covered, but it'd be good to have a record! Hopefully this discussion does go somewhere. It was great to meet you, and let me know if I can do anything to help w/ New Zealand :) sonia ♫  07:50, 10 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for doing that. I think you've covered the range of discussions well; I don't have anything much to add. It was good to meet you too!
 * Thanks also for offering to help with the New Zealand article. The main things I'm working on there now are copyediting and checking that we're following the MOS. The article would probably also benefit from a general review from fresh eyes, and I'd be glad to hear any thoughts you have on it. But please don't feel obliged. --Avenue (talk) 17:02, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:NZ 10c shilling front.jpg
 Thanks for uploading File:NZ 10c shilling front.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Courcelles 04:45, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Harawira
You say Hone Harawira's name was apparently Hone Hatfield. Apparently. Hide behind verifiability if you must, but you relying on a COI political opponent as a reliable source absolutely saddens me. Moriori (talk) 09:33, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * To be honest, I don't think I've ever heard of David Rankin before today. I was relying on the NBR's description of him as "a relative of Mr Harawira" in thinking this came close to being a reliable source. I left the citation needed tag in the article because the NBR seemed to distance themselves from the claim, by leaving it in Rankin's voice, and I thought more sources would be useful for a sensitive topic like this. I've now looked around for more background on Rankin, and it does seem there is some friction between them (e.g., ). I also wasn't aware of the Hapu Party. Taking all that into account, I think you're right that the NBR piece, while it might be a reliable source for what Rankin said about Harawira, doesn't seem like a reliable source for the truth of his claim. So I've removed the citation reverted my addition, which I wasn't aware included the claim as well as the citation - see below . --Avenue (talk) 12:06, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I've also just noticed that you removed the claim minutes before I added a citation for it. That explains why your post here seemed a bit heated. I wasn't aware of your edit when I made mine; I don't understand why I didn't get a edit conflict warning. I was only trying to provide a source as requested, not to reinsert a deleted claim. I'm sorry my edit saddened you. --Avenue (talk) 12:12, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Avenue, I've reinstated - in my own amendment - reference to David Rankin's claims about Harawira being born with the name Hatfield. As you'll no doubt notice, I've made a large number of edits to this page today, all with links, as it looked a bit scrappy and incomplete. I even considered a separate section entitled "Controversies", but then such is HH that everything he does is almost by definition and (who knows) perhaps by design controversial. There have been many removals of any reference to HH being part-Pakeha, but I came across HH himself saying that he is. This in itself *had* to go in, of course, and was IMO reason enough to reinstate David Rankin's claims (with links). I used the words "It has been stated by...David Rankin that...", which allows for some to doubt it if they wish. Rankin's appearances in the media in NZ are not infrequent and he is, after all, a cousin of HH and the leader of a hapu. Having some knowledge of the closeness of Maori family ties and individual knowledge within families of each others' heritage, I feel that it is highly unlikely to be untrue. Yes, this is controversial, but any understanding of Harawira would be incomplete without its inclusion, I feel. Boscaswell (talk) 15:37, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your note. I don't see anything wrong with covering Rankin's statement about Harawira. The problem before was that our article stated it as fact (in the lead sentence no less), rather than reporting the statement and letting our readers make up their own minds. The sourcing for the statement could still be improved; I think the sources currently cited only quote Rankin as saying the family name was changed from Hatfield to Harawira, not that this happened after Hone Harawira's birth. I think the NBR source previously cited did say that Rankin said this was his birth name. I don't know how careful Rankin is with details like this, but that's beside the point; all we need to do is cover what he's been reported as saying.
 * I also think that the article is more neutral now that Harawira's Pakeha ancestry is also mentioned. Thanks for adding that. --Avenue (talk) 15:58, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I've now cited the NBR article, and reworded the preamble to Rankin's statement. --Avenue (talk) 16:16, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem and the neutrality - agreed. It all looks good.  Even though they all reflect Rankin's statements, the more sources the better with this and your point about the NBR one is good.  I had searched for another source for the Hatfield birthname, but couldn't find one.  But this is very controversial and in view of HH's and also TH's views on Pakeha is something about which knowledge would be very closely guarded. Boscaswell (talk) 23:51, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Moriori has been deleting again. Tho s/he did add some more info. I've reinstated what s/he deleted (the reference to Hatfield) with some strong wording in the Edit Summary about why it should be there. I will reinstate it if s/he does it again. S/he also put reference by HH to him being Pakeha in the Rankin paragraph. I've put it back where it belongs, as any para. devoted to his lineage would be incomplete and misleading without it, again with some strong wording in the Edit Summary.Boscaswell (talk 05:30, 11 May 2011 (UTC) Can I draw your attention to my talk page. Thanks. Boscaswell (talk) 11:32, 11 May 2011 (UTC)


 * There seem to be at least three people involved here, so I think the article's talk page is probably a better forum than various user talk pages. (Yes, I have read yours.) I'll try and start a discussion of the issues at Talk:Hone Harawira. --Avenue (talk) 13:35, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Featured Sounds needs you
Featured sounds was booming with activity in the March/April period, ideally that should be all the time. FS has been a battleground at times, however, it is my hope that that is in the past. I ask you all to reconsider your positions and set aside the differences you may have had with other participants for the good of the project and encyclopedia. Don't let FS become like VP, it is a path that a featured process should traverse. You were sent this message because you are listed at Featured sound candidates/Contributors or have been a past contributor.

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of Featured sound candidates at 09:33, 16 May 2011 (UTC).

Nice work on Continents
Thank you....Very helpful change to the widely accepted low points (not beneath the ice) (and, while you were at it, playing defense with the editor who thinks Everest is not on the border! Well doneDLinth (talk) 18:02, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

FYI
I noticed you have been involved in a discussion about the example of Eskimo/Inuit on Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality. I have simply removed this example from that page, and so resolved the issue. Debresser (talk) 11:14, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know. I've reworded the remaining HIV+ example, which wasn't quite grammatically correct. --Avenue (talk) 00:55, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Please see Wikipedia_talk:Categorization/Ethnicity,_gender,_religion_and_sexuality again, where I have asked a question about your recent edit. Debresser (talk) 01:40, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I've replied there. --Avenue (talk) 12:16, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Re:Template:Infobox crater

 * [#Template:Infobox_crater Re:Template:Infobox crater]

You may be interested in this discussion Bulwersator (talk) 15:02, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Mystery
Please solve this mystery if you can...

On September 23rd, traffic to Portal:James Bond doubled, and has stayed at the new level since then. I can't figure out what happened.

See http://stats.grok.se/en/201109/Portal%3AJames_Bond

Traffic to Outline of James Bond stayed the same (though it was at the higher-level already), which leads me to suspect changes made somewhere in Wikipedia.

See http://stats.grok.se/en/201109/Outline%20of%20James_Bond

I'd like to find out what happened, in case it reveals helpful link placement tips that can double the traffic to outlines too!

I look forward to your reply on my talk page. The Transhumanist 23:39, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I have no idea. I see you have lots of replies already. --Avenue (talk) 15:22, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Avenue,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Inside the Tarawera rift.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on October 21, 2011. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2011-10-21.  howcheng  {chat} 16:49, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Survey for new page patrollers
Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of Wiki Media Foundation at 11:24, 25 October 2011 (UTC).

DYK nomination of Puhinui Craters
Hello! Your submission of Puhinui Craters at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Mikenorton (talk) 00:05, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi Avenue, just some paraphrasing that's a little too close for comfort. Mikenorton (talk) 00:05, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Mike. I've responded on the nomination page. --Avenue (talk) 00:19, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Dispute Resolution
You may be interested in this. Peter jackson (talk) 10:56, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Grafton Volcano
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 03:07, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

New MP pages
If you have time before Friday evening, your help with this politics task force collaboration would be much appreciated! If you have questions, please ask them there.  Schwede 66  07:29, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Avenue,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Anscombe's quartet 3.svg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on December 11, 2011. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2011-12-11.  howcheng  {chat} 18:37, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Puhinui Craters
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:02, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Blue Lake (Tasman)
Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:32, 30 December 2011 (UTC)