User talk:Averette/2007

Geographic name changes
Hi there, first I want to wish you a happy new year! Would you care, as a local resident, to apply for geographic name changes for those of the Lower Keys where official and local use names do not coincide, as outlined in ? I would be curious of how this process works, how long it takes and how easily name changes are approved. I am mainly thinking about Tank Island/Sunset Key, Dredgers Key/Sigsbee Park, and Raccoon Key/Key Haven, but maybe you know more obvious cases.--Ratzer 06:56, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Is there a way to apply online, or does it require a petition? Sounds like something the officials in Key West and Monroe County would have to bring up at meeting and petition votes for.  If there's a way to apply or at least get the ball rolling online, I'd be happy to do it.   -    Marc Averette 15:53, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The application form is on . This is a PDF document that must be printed out and filled manually, and then returned by mail to the address given on the top right. It doesn't say that individuals cannot apply, but of course some evidence is required. So, only the application form is available online, the rest works the old way, as it seems.--Ratzer 19:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

The picture for Everglades National Park
Is it okay if you crop the date from the picture? It's sort of distracting visually.  bibliomaniac 1  5  20:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure. I guess that info really isn't necessary. -   Marc Averette 13:38, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Invitation to WikiProject Miami
First of all, thanks for the cleanup on my addition to SR 836. Last month, I started WikiProject Miami, and from your contribs, I figure you would be a valuable addition to the project. Please feel free to join in, even if you are a (shudder) Gator. PS: Thanks for beating Ohio State, Cane fans were actually cheering for you for a change. :) CodeCarpenter 18:59, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure. I've been adding/fixing a lot of Miami/South Florida pages anyway, so I may as well make it official. Oh, and if and when the Canes make it to the next championship, I'll be sure to cheer for them; unless of course they're playing the Gators!   -   Marc Averette 22:05, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Florida Keys wikipages
Judging from the number of pages you've created and edited, it looks like you're the person to talk to about the Florida Keys wiki pages. Just wanted to give you a heads up that I'll be working quite a bit on all the pages relating to the Florida Keys, and would appreciate any help and advice, particularly on my first project -- the Keynoter.

--JKBrooks85 02:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll be glad to give whatever input I can. -  Marc Averette 14:36, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Miami Seaquarium
Hi, I'm wondering about the Seaquarium edit. Don't you think both sides should be presented in the article? I backed up my contribution with sources, and left the part about Seaquarium helping with conservation. I don't want to make this into a confrontation or anything, just saying. --Sealife 18:00, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There's been recent page blanking vandalism to the article. I reverted it since the added info was suspiciously similar to the other vandal edits.  This happens occasionally on heavily vandalized articles.  If there are reliable sources for the info you added, feel free to add it back.  If one of the administrators feels it's questionable, it may be deleted at a later time, but in the meantime I'm willing to check out the facts for myself.  The seaprison site appears to have an agenda - not the best source, but a reliable media site might.  As long as the current info & photos aren't blanked for no valid reason, I'll leave it alone.  -   Marc Averette 03:22, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

New NRHP Collaboration Division
Hey, saw you were a participant in the National Register of Historic Places WikiProject. I thought I would let you know that there is a new Collaboration Division up for the project. The goal of the division is to select an article or articles for improvement to Good article standard or higher. There is a simple nomination process, which you can check out on the division subpage, to make sure each candidate for collaboration has enough interested editors. This is a good way to get a lot of articles to a quality status quickly. Please consider participating. More details can be seen at the division subpage. IvoShandor 11:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Key Lime Pie
You wrote:

''I was born and raised in Key West, Florida. Genuine key lime pie has meringue on top. The source you cited is complete bunk. It is someone’s personal website and is not reliable. It is irrelevant how you or people you know in San Francisco make the pie. San Francisco is not in the Florida Keys and your opinions have absolutely no merit in regards to authentic key lime pie. The description before you vandalized is accurate. You should check with proper sources become a bit more informed before you attempt to make corrections on things you know absolutely nothing of.''

Hello, Averette. We Southerners certainly are passionate about our food; I won't dispute that. I appreciate your passion.

I was always told growing up in Miami that authentic key lime pie had graham crust and no meringue. Maybe this is yet just another subject in a long, itemized list of food items that we Southerners are known to debate about ad nauseum;


 * "fried green tomatoes: dip in cornmeal or dip in egg batter?"
 * "Pepsi or Coke?"
 * "Chicken salad - made with mayonnaise or Miracle Whip?"

Etcetera ...

Let's consider it one of our many cultural traditions, along with spinning a good yarn and college football.

All the best. - Kosmonaut

image captions
You might want to look at this, in my browser your image caption font tag is making all of the article text appear as white, or basically invisible until you highlight it. This can be solved by adding the tag after the caption, as I did in the next diff. I think this is a new development, server software might have changed or something, as the page previously looked fine. Just a heads up in case you've done this on any other articles, you might want to close the font tag. --W.marsh 13:41, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I see. It looks like a change was made to the software.  I'll fix them as I find them.  Thanks   -     Marc Averette 12:47, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Latitude on the River
They weren't tagged because they didn't come up on the conflict of interest page. When I looked at the article, it states the buildings aren't finished, nor are they the tallest. so what precisely makes them notable? Furthermore "X has an article" doesn't mean that Y should as well - every article stands on its own merits. If you cannot assert the location's notability, the article will have to be sent to deletion discussion, as it violates Wikipedia policies as it stands now. MSJapan 20:59, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * There are many other unfinished buildings with articles. See List of tallest buildings in Miami.  I was only contributing to a project that's being done by several others.  Not sure why you felt the need to single out my one contribution, or why you would even care.    -    Marc Averette 21:04, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Like I said, it's the one I happened to see. Go look at WP:COIN under the "autobiography botlist". MSJapan 21:11, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Having your own page deleted
If you create a page, and before anyone else edits it you decide to have it deleted, like what seems to have happened with Category:Attractions in Key West, Florida, please put a   at the top of the page, in stead of blanking it. This will attract an administrator to it to have it deleted. I've marked this one for you - since you blanked it, that's enough. Od Mishehu 05:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info. I wasn't sure of the code to get that done, now I know.   -   Marc Averette 22:41, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Miami History
Why remove all of it from there. It was such an interesting addition to the article. If you look at any other pages of big cities (Ex. Los Angeles, California) it has a brief history and a link to the main article. Now the Miami history section looks ugly and barren. Skillz187 23:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I saw a note on the top of the page when I went to the article that said "Page is xx kilobytes long, article too big, excessive, etc" so since there is a history of Miami article that has the exact same info word for word, I figured it would be a good time to move it over there. Maybe it would be good to include a brief history, but what parts to include and what to leave out?   -   Marc Averette 22:51, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Nice Catch
Good job cathing that Image:1490 Biscayne.jpg was in Midtown Miami. The reason I put it there was http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=100920 stated it was in the Upper Eastside, but I should have double checked it on a map. Keep up the good work.--Jorfer 03:19, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Miami Seaquarium
I noticed your edit on the article, and a history check shows that you have dealt with this issue before. I was willing to wait a couple of weeks for the cites, and then delete, but I think your solution to the problem may be more appropriate. Unfortunately, the same bozos will likely reinsert the deleted information sooner or later, so I will keep the page on my watchlist. Horologium t-c 23:27, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes. Unfortunately this is an old story.  It appears that some fanatical animal rights activists keep forcing their miamiseaprison.com viewpoint on it.  -  Marc Averette 00:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

nice Miami skyline photo update!
When you compare it to the older version, you can see a serious difference. A 'big time' city is sprouting up before our eyes! Give it a few years, and new pics of Miami will be all over. Thanks for leading the way! --Rstepp 02:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, people are already talking about it on skyscrapercity here:  and you can really see the difference between the 2 skylines in just 8 months if you look at these 2:



Amazing for us all to see such a world-class city spring up before our eyes in such a short time. It's neat to be here and witness it firsthand. -  Marc Averette 16:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Port of Miami Photo
Just wanted to let you know your Port of Miami Skyline and Wikipedia are credited for use in the book cover art of "A Margin of Error, Ballots of Straw." Geeksta 20:51, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * That's great! Thanks for the info. -   Marc Averette 15:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

latest skyline, too much air
We might be getting carried away with the distance from the skyline. Compared to any other city, the limit was already being pushed on the length to height ratio with the previous skyline pic. As it was, you had to open it to see the city. Now, it is insanely small! The picture is 90% air. Also, I think it's better to show the water, because that's Miami's trademark. Can we go back to the previous version of the main skyline? Better yet, a clearer pic of that same previous angle. Thanks. --Rstepp 01:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Miami-area special project: Your input needed!
Dear Averette,

You appear to be active in WikiProject Miami, or have contributed a lot recently to Miami-related articles. I would like to invite you to contribute your opinions on a grant proposal for a project that may provide unique and helpful resources for Wikipedia in Miami.

Over the last six months, Wikipedia and Wikinews have been discussing a project proposal with the Knight Foundation which could create a new type of an environment for locally-oriented encyclopedic and news content. The general idea involves an official sanctioning of a local Wiki community in one or two charter areas, one of them being Miami. The Wiki community would be empowered to cover all things Miami -- even things that normally would not pass notability restrictions -- and cover both encyclopedic information as well as current events in the South Florida community. The proposal may even involve the creation of a physical "wiki space": some sort of a local room or office to coordinate efforts and provide community members with a place to create and edit articles.

I'm working on formalizing the proposal, and would like to invite you and other Miami contributors to a project brainstorming session via chat. The chat will take place this Saturday, July 14th, at 12 noon Eastern Time (9am Pacific). If enough people can't make it there will be an additional repeat meeting at some later time.

The online meeting will happen using IRC on the channel #wikipedia-miami -- you can use your own chat client or the use this handy link to join the chat. Please don't forget to provide your username when you log into chat.

I look forward to talking with you. Thanks! -- IlyaHaykinson 04:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

your miami skyline photos
At this point, I'm not sure what to change back. The wide angle photo looks good under geography, but your older style photos should be the primary picture. If you take another photo of the solid skyline with good light in high resolution, I'll help you keep it posted. Thanks for the great photos. --MIA777 05:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Miami urban area
Do you have a cite to back that up? (Miami fifth largest urban area) When I did a big edit this past weekend, I had to clear up a lot of nonsense (some Houston fanboy had kicked the metro area down to seventh place, behind Houston), which is why I added the citation from the Census Bureau. I am aware of the difference between the two definitions, but I am not aware of a site that tracks population by that criterion. The census bureau does not appear to have any datasets with that information, and the Wikipedia list that is linked has no citations, and therefore cannot be used as a reference.

As it stands right now, the Miami article is in terrible shape; I'm trying to fix it so that it doesn't get sent to a Good Article review, where I fear it might get delisted. The citations are lame, there is a lot of incorrect data (that information on housing costs is wrong, as per the citation; I corrected it but accidentally closed the window in which I was editing before saving it). This is one of the most high-profile articles in the Florida WikiProject, and it is the single most important in the Miami WikiProject; I'm trying to get this article properly cited and clean out the accumulated junk that has been added over the past year or so. Horologium t-c 22:37, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I simply went by the list that's already on Wikipedia List of United States urban areas. It's taken directly from the Census Bureau.  The data at  shows that the population of the Miami UA is 4,919,036 which is the same # on the Wikipedia list.  I'm assuming the other cities on the Wikipedia list have the right populations.  I'll double check the first four to verify that Miami really falls into 5th place.  -  Marc Averette 22:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * That is the problem. There is no citation at all on that article, from the census bureau or from any other source. You cannot use a Wikipedia page as a citation; this is explicitly spelled out in WP:SPS, which states: "Articles and posts on Wikipedia or other open wikis should never be used as third-party sources." As I said in my original post, the census bureau does not appear to have a dataset that tracks population by urban area, so without a citation, that page is nothing more than OR, unless a source is provided. It cannot be used as a reference; only the source can be cited, and right now, there is no source. I'd recommend reverting to my last edit, and changing "urban area" to "metro area", since there is a source available to support that statement; it's the one you deleted. Horologium t-c 23:06, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll add a citation to the list on the Census Bureau's website. Census Bureau list of Urbanized Areas. -  Marc Averette 23:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Add the citation to both the list and to the Miami page, and thank you for finding that reference. I was not successful finding it. Horologium t-c 23:10, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure. I'll add it to both.  Glad I could help out.  -  Marc Averette 23:12, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Credit in Captions
Thank you for taking the time to take all those pictures of Miami skyscrapers. They definitely add to List of tallest buildings in Miami. I was just wondering, is it all right with you if I remove  Photo: Marc Averette  from the photograph captions? It is making the caption spaces longer than they need to be. Thanks, Raime 20:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Raime 20:09, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Too morbid?
Seeing that you're the guy to go to for Florida Keys articles, I want to get your opinion on List of fatal highway accidents in the Florida Keys. It's something I've been working on the last couple of days, but I'm wondering if it's too morbid for your taste. Since you're a Conch, you know how much accidents can affect travel down here, and I don't think notability is a problem. I'm just wondering if it's too off-putting in the way it's presented now. If you could give your opinion on it, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks. JKBrooks85 15:26, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't have a problem with it, but it looks like someone else didn't think it was notable. It's a pity if you put a lot of time & research into it.  Maybe you can bring it back under a different artcle name?  -  Marc Averette 01:14, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Sunset picture
Hi Averette, I noticed you reverted my edit to the sunset article. Perhaps I can explain a little more why the image I replaced yours with is a much better one. a) It is in much much higher resolution. b) I believe it shows a much more interesting and dramatic (dare I say rare) sunset than your somewhat common one. c) That it is a good photo is by and large supported by members of the community given it's Featured Picture status, indicating that the community have judged it to be one of the finest on Wikipedia. For this reason I intend to revert your edit... --Fir0002 22:17, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Your photo is not representative of a sunset. It is representative of twilight.  The sun is not visible in your photo, as it is in mine and the others.  If you must put it somewhere, stick it on the twilight page.  In my opinion it looks more like a photo of a forest fire than a "sunset" anyway.  -  Marc Averette 23:19, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Copyrighted image
Thank you for removing the Four Seasons Miami image from the articles. I had no idea it was a copyright violation. Rai - me 23:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Brickell, Miami, Florida
Hi Averette, In reference to revert you did on brickell, I don't think it was a good judgement call, it's stealth spam ( clickable link to a RE site please check and you can confirm it), might it not be better if we routed that link to somewhere else or remove it, Sincerly - Onepoint side note : if this stands, I could easily see about 50 RE sites trying to take over these properties and I have been systematically cleaning them out ( unless it's the developers site ), this is a huge can of worms and I don't have the experience to override your edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onepoint (talk • contribs) 18:59, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The thing is, I found information on those sites that I included in the article and have cited the map in the article as a reference. Would it be better to remove the name info of the site so that all that shows under references are the numbers like this?  and

- Marc Averette 13:13, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to sugjest this link http://www.gmcvb.com/visitors/brickell_avenue.asp to replace homes.point2.com not as vulgar as the other site with the realtor listings right in front of you. - onepoint —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onepoint (talk • contribs) 15:21, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

The Miami Panorama in Skyscraper
Hello!

Thanks for that update of the Miami Panorama. That is what we really need in that article. In case you didn't know, I was the one who shot the image of the Singapore Skyline. I just hope that the rest of the images in the article are as good as ours... In anyway, thanks for the nice input. I believe the article had its run, and needs clean up especially the images. SomeForm OFhuman    07:56, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. My new camera has a 10x zoom and can take much clearer shots than the one before.  Also, it was an exceptionally clear day right after a heavy rain.  Miami (according to the Almanac of Architecture & Design) has the 3rd best skyline in the country now, so I felt it was appropriate to include it.  -   Marc Averette 13:04, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Invitation
Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 02:16, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

New photo of ships
Would you please switch back to the photo of seven ships in port (for Miami, Florida)? The new picture may show an additional ship, but it's not nearly as aesthetically pleasing as your previous photos. I don't think the extra ship in the picture outweighs the decrease in visual quality of your previous shot.  Horologium  (talk) 01:28, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with you. It doesn't look as good. I was debating with myself when I switched it.   I think you confirmed it, so I'll switch it back.  -    Marc Averette (talk) 11:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC)