User talk:Averette/200802

Key West Islands
Hi, there is a link that has Key West Islands in its name (though not in the text of the page), and it refers to those Florida Keys that are referenced as Mule Keys here in the Wikipedia (and on a few other sites). Is that name for those keys known to or used by Key West residents?--Ratzer (talk) 06:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I've never heard of it. The only ones that I ever heard talked about (and been to) while growing up were Woman Key and Boca Grande Key, mainly because they have beaches and many people go to them to picnic.  I've never heard them all called by the collective "Mule Keys" either, but I guess they are.  In any case, "Key West Islands" is most likely something someone just made up. - Marc Averette (talk) 02:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

900 Biscayne Bay and Ten Museum Park
From this, I agree, there's no way 900 Biscayne Bay is 712 feet (217 m) tall when the unfinished Marquis Miami is taller. In addition, I did a floor count of 900 Biscayne Bay and it turns out its only 60 floors (maybe 61 or 62 if there are mechanical floors above floor 60), but not 65. The completed building also looks different from the renderings on Emporis; it seems like a floor or two was cut here and there and the developer deleted the rooftop decor. Also, it appears there's a problem with Ten Museum Park as well; how can it be 585 feet (178 m) tall when the roof appears to be around 70 feet (21 m) lower than the 615 foot (187 m) Marina Blue roof? To me, it looks like 900 Biscayne Bay is about 630 feet (191 m) tall and Ten Museum Park is about 525 feet (160 m) tall. Cheers. Trance addict - Tiesto - Above and Beyond 08:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah. I'm sorry to say, but I think these findings are just the tip of the iceburg.  Emporis is apparently a mess.  There must be a better source out there, but I don't think the city's planning or building depts have their blueprint data online.  I found the building by address search, but the info isn't filled in - oh well. City of Miami Planning Dept.  Marc Averette (talk) 22:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * You can try SkyscraperPage.com with its Miami list, but that looks like a carbon copy of Emporis. From the above reply, do you mean that many other height figures and floor counts stated in List of tallest buildings in Miami are wrong as well, since the list heavily references Emporis? Can you provide some examples completed buildings / under construction projects other than 900 Biscayne and Ten Museum Park? Thanks. Cheers. Trance addict - Tiesto - Above and Beyond 04:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * To answer quickly - just off the top of my head - I know that the one they give for Carbonell Condominium on Brickell Key is complete BS, they are claiming it's like over 600 ft, when I know it's a lot less. (all the buildings next to it dwarf it).  And then there's mysterious Ten Museum Park that they claim is 585, yet the others next to it completely dwarf it (Marinablue claiming 615 which is only 30 ft more or (roughly) 3 stories) The others have FAR more than a 3 story difference.  You can see clearly on photos of the skyline that 50 Biscayne is at least 3-4 stories taller than Ten Museum Park, yet Emporis states 50 Biscayne is only 554 ft, so how can 10 Museum be 585 (30 ft more).  I have come to the conclusion that Emporis is about as useful as a seatbelt on a motorcycle.  What are we to do?  I feel like walking around downtown for a day with a sextant and calculator.  Maybe that's the only way we will ever really know.  Original research; but at least *I* will know.  Marc Averette (talk) 07:41, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I found another website documenting building heights: Structurae, but this one is of little use, since it contains a handful of Miami skyscrapers. Other than that, I don't think there's another skyscraper website other than Emporis and SkyscraperPage, which means a manual calculation like you said. I think another building with disputed / faulty data is the Four Seasons Hotel Tower with 64 or 70 floors. For now, in light of these concerns, I guess the Miami list will have an accuracy tag until these data discrepancies are sorted out. Cheers. Trance addict - Tiesto - Above and Beyond 06:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)