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WikiProject History of Greece Newsletter - Issue IV - December 2006
The December 2006 issue of the WikiProject History of Greece newsletter has been published.

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Apostolos Nikolaidis
On what grounds did you decide that the singer is more famous than the athlete? Almost everybody in Greece knows the athlete but few of them know the singer. It should really be the other way round. --   Avg     11:50, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Not being Greek myself, I was relying on internet searches to determine which one is more well-known. From the searches, it appeared as if the singer is the most well known, then comes the stadium names after the athlete, and then the athlete.  If I'm wrong, I'll more than gladly place a disambiguation page at Apostolos Nikolaidis leading to both the singer and the athlete. — Mets501 (talk) 14:07, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea. I'd go for disambig as well (singer, athlete, stadium). The reason most people know the athlete is indeed because of the stadium after his name. --   Avg     16:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. :-) — Mets501 (talk) 19:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

ela file
boris na kano 'keep' εδώ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_May_2#Category:British_Influenced_Conflict Reaper7 23:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Greece Newsletter - Issue V (I) - January 2007
The January 2007 issue of the WikiProject Greece newsletter (the first issue after the merger of the History of Greece Wikiproject with the Wikiproject Greece) has been published.

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WikiProject Greece Newsletter - Issue VI (II) - February 2007
The February 2007 issue of the WikiProject Greece newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link.

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WikiProject Greece Newsletter - Issue VII (III) - March 2007
The March 2007 issue of the WikiProject Greece newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link.

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Lake Stymphalus
Hi I created an article about a lake in Greece called Lake Stymphalus. Would you mind looking at it and cleaning it or editing it? Here's the link to the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Stymphalus. Thanks! Neptunekh 18:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

International Mobile Satellite Organization
Hello, I am working on WikiProject Categories/uncategorized and came across the article International Mobile Satellite Organization on a list of previously categorized but now uncategorized articles. Tracking back I found that the categories along with the links to other language wikis and the majority of the text were removed in this edit by you. You didn't supply a reason for the removal in your edit summary so I was wondering why the text was removed. Please let me know the reasoning so I can restore the categories and inter-wiki-links if they are still appropriate. Stardust8212 00:25, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, since it wasn't noted in the edit summary I wanted to make sure you hadn't thrown the baby out with the bath water. I see a lot of that working this task. Stardust8212 20:25, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Lake Stymphalia
I'm not sure how to change the title of the page from Lake Stymphalus to Lake Stymphalia. Would you mind doing that please? Thanks! Neptunekh 17:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Greece Newsletter - Issue VIII (IV) - April 2007
The April 2007 issue of the WikiProject Greece newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link.

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Prefecture_of_Fokida
Hi Avg! I started a page about a place in Greece called the Prefecture of Fokida. Would you mind editing the page or cleaning it up? Here's the link the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefecture_of_Fokida Thanks! Neptunekh 01:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Prefecture_of_Fokida
Would you mind merging the I started or adding it? I don't feel comfortable doing it. Neptunekh 01:23, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Greece Newsletter - Issue IX (V) - May 2007
The May 2007 issue of the WikiProject Greece newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link.

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Sport Clubs
I assume you're the other IP involved in the edit war over there? If so, thank you for editing. I just wanted to make sure the edit war ended, and at least get some stability to the article. It's true I didn't have as much time to check everything, but I believe in editing in good faith, and trying to keep the article neutral and cited properly. (I was waiting for the other side to show up before adding that section in) SirFozzie 21:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

And back at you
Wikilawyering is not encouraged either. It is inappropriate to bandy about such posts. I read your comments and you are clearly pushing a POV against concensus stating that is not inappropriate. Please refrain from Wikilawyering and pushing your POV as you did.AlanD 19:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Bulldog Bash
I don't think a poll would be necessary - it's clear from reading the entire discussion page (especially at the top) that there is already a community view that the speculation belongs in the article. As you are probably aware consensus doesn't mean everyone has to agree, and in this instance there is just the one person who disagrees. Whether or not his objection is resolveable through dialogue remains to be seen, and I am happy to carry on with the discussion, but I am sure that Alcapone69 would at least concede that there is a community view and agree to respect that. Phonemonkey 18:09, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

PLEASE REFRAIN
Mr. AVG. Why are you posting simple content issues on my talk page and not the article discussion page? Is it because I am an IP user and you think it's fine to accuse me of willfully posting inaccurate information? There are a number of sources that call it Latin. Those sources may be mistaken, and I may have been mislead, but suggesting I am intentionally posting incorrect information ie. not acting in good faith, you need to refrain. -- 71.191.36.194 19:09, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Arbcom case
I've taken the whole set of Macedonia-related edit warring to the Arbitration committee. You are named as a party to the case. Please see WP:RFAR. Thank you, Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:59, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

""== Aegean Macedonia ==

At the end of WW2 the attempt for entering Solun and joining the Macedonian partisan groups in the Aegean failed.the Macedonian high command was imprisoned and killed by the Tito led government and the troops diverted north to Srem.

After a couple of years the Macedonians in the Aegean saw their chance in the Greek civil war, they rose up and in fanatic fighting managed to liberate the town of lerin, The Greeks surprised by the offensive seeked help from the British..they got it..dozens of villages were burned to the grown by the rain of napalm.Tens of thousands of women and children were exiled from their homes, thousands were killed while running to safety.But it didn't end here..a great number of refugees in the Vardar part of Macedonia meant a potential treat in the long run..Yugoslavia closed the borders and the rest of the refugees were scattered around the world.

this is their story...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JBLSRBD6aLo

http://youtube.com/watch?v=o6_ZULK2nH4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cvEcbqop3as

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7VOA5qKhlOo

--strich3D 22:40, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Why you can't accept the truth? People aren't computers, you can't delete their memory, their sufferings.--strich3D 22:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Say that I'm actually interested in watching the videos, how am I supposed to understand them? FYI there are some (a small minority of course) people in Greece who are not Slavomacedonians and can't understand your language :-)--   Avg     00:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * We can met in Lerin(Florina) and you'll how "small" is macedonian minority. With some 70% of people tehre I communicate in macedonian. In markets, restaurants,on the street. There are many people around the world who can't return to houses where they were born simply because all villages were destroyed and new were built on them settled with greeks from Turkey.--strich3D 15:42, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Did you actually read my comment? It was a humorous reply considering the language on the video! Cool down a bit... But anyway, here's your answer: Unlike you, who probably have NEVER actually been to Florina, I've been dozens of times and I KNOW. It would be REAL FUN if we actually stopped people in the street(!!!) speaking Slavic to them, especially if you label the language "Macedonian" in front of them. You know most Florina people are VERY sensitive about the Macedonian issue, exactly because you claim their city, so my guess is we could end in hospital as provocators! Honestly, where do you find such things :-) --   Avg     18:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Such things i find in Florina's center :). I am in Lerin(Florina) few times a year.--strich3D 18:19, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * And by the way, could you be consistent? If you don't like the Greeks calling you Skopian or Fyromian, don't call their cities Solun and Lerin, ok? --   Avg     18:24, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Macedonia
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Macedonia/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Macedonia/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (t) 00:51, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If you contribute to the workshop page, please user a much shorter signature. Thanks, Picaroon (t) 00:51, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

FYROM,
Firstly, they are not Europeans. Secondly they are not Greek, therefore can NEVER be Macedons.

Having this article protected has lost you, my contributions to what i now know is nothing more than propaganda crap. you have made all good information become tainted as lies, and cheap propaganda.

your site has now been blocked from my company's employees, as well as hotel guests, and our sites will from now on run permanent adverts against you. if any of our employees, are caught accessing your site in any shape or form, including company home laptops, will be fired immediately.

our contributions have been small, but i will sue you for the entire amount, in a court of Macedonia. you do not care about the minimum of accuracy. Dissemination of overtly wrong information as fact is a criminal offense.

in an american court you call call it wrong advertising, politically incorrect terminology, defamatory, and the list for precedents in such a case is extense.

if u have any legally infalible information regarding your right to use such name, please do not hesitate in correcting me, in court.

vandacordeiro@yahoo.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.72.253.190 (talk) 20:14, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I will not remove it for the entertainment of viewers of my talk page :-) --   Avg     20:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Alexis Papahelas
A new page came up on the list. The article needs everything tagged. Maybe the article should not have been created until at least some of the problems could be sorted. If you are able to sort the problems immediately, then maybe the preview button should have been used instead of save. I can assure you I am not on auto-pilot. Regards. Hammer1980 ·talk 01:27, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

You worry too much ! All can be wiped simply really. A couple of references will lose the ref tag and will establish notability. Finad a category for it to go inand thats gone too. Add the refs correclty and it will pretty much sort the wikify problem too. No bad wiki etiquette there. I will try and find a category right now. That will sort one out. Regards. Hammer1980 ·talk 01:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Thats a category sorted. See where you can get a couple of references. I have never heard of him ! Regards Hammer1980 ·talk 01:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Great job on the article. Well Done. Hammer1980 ·talk 09:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah it was so bad I didn't sleep ... not ! Forget it mate. Will delete all the conversation. Regards. Hammer1980 ·talk 18:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Macedonia closed
The above arbitration case has closed, and the final decision may be found here. Any uninvolved administrator may, on their own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor working on Balkans-related articles if that editor fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, the expected standards of behavior, or the normal editorial process. Discretionary sanctions imposed under the provisions of this decision may be appealed to the imposing administrator, the administrators' noticeboard, or the Committee. For the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (t) 02:34, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Previous statement
I agree it's artificial. But Bulgarians and Greeks gang up against the red team all the time, considering them mutual enemies. This "allegiance" is no less artificial. And it seems Greeks and Albanians have been doing it too. I find it very hard to believe that Greeks consider the red team their closest allies -they should, but they don't. Alex 202.10.89.28 (talk)

P.S. "South Slavs" includes Bulgarians so I was confused until I read your edit summary. Alex 202.10.89.28 (talk) 03:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I think you have completely misunderstood the Greeks position against you. Nobody considers FYROM an enemy. Nobody hates you. In fact most people I know say that it's natural for you and us to be the closest allies in the region, if only you were less stubborn about the name. You've just stepped on our toe. I can guarantee that when the name issue is resolved, you will see the warmest feelings from Greece, because there's no history between us. --   Avg     03:23, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Good. And most ethnic Macedonians I know say all would be good with Greece if you were less stubborn about the name. So obviously there are two views. But that doesn't matter. When the naming dispute is resolved, all should be good. And when the Republic is integrated into the Union, you'll see a sharp turn in irredentism. Alex 202.10.89.28 (talk) 03:50, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Ela
Can you support this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Akrotiri_and_Dhekelia#Proposed_change_of_name_for_article

We are trying to make the article more reality based and less ambiguous. Reaper7 (talk) 03:03, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Best regards to you Greek Friend
by Macedonian citzen from Republic of Macedonia :-) and here is a little link from Macedonians living in northen Greece many happy cheers from all of them too :-) Alex Makedon (talk) 17:21, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I can only refer you to the recent ArbCom decision, principle 1: Wikipedia is a project to create a neutral encyclopedia. Use of the site for other purposes—including, but not limited to, advocacy, propaganda, furtherance of outside conflicts, and political or ideological struggle—is prohibited. --   Avg     17:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I dont see why you consider saying a cheerfyll hallo - a "disseminating propaganda"... Where is the ideological struggle? In best regards or in many happy cheers or the propaganda is saying im citizen of Republic of Macedonia?

I dont know what is your problem, and are you seeing problems where arent any? In this situation its you that is using the Wikipedia to makeup ideological struggles out of nothing, im very disappointed :-(

But if you want im mor than happy to discuss over this via e-mail to clear your misunderstanding, since Wikipedia is not a place for every kind of debate, as you know...

Best regards from Republic of Macedonia and this Macedonian Citizen.

Alex Makedon


 * Thought I should be polite and say goodbye before your block. I'm sure there are a lot of other nice things to do in Milan! :-) --   Avg     21:41, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Vandalisam Report
'''... This is -the- last warning before i apply to an admin for harrasments from you AVG. You got to realize that there can be someone thinking the matters in some other manner than yours... and that Wiki is NOT a place for personal battles, if you are a looser in your real life annoying people on Wiki wont help. I have seen from your talk page that Im not the only person you annoyed and you got a nice "fat" background...'''

Your behavior is harrasment, and im contacting Admins about your obsessin with me, you keep threatening me, contacting admins to get me blocked, even controling my IP to see where im posting from!!! You are really making a personal war out of this!

Are you a Psyco or somthing!?

Best regards from a Macedonian Citizen from Republic of Macedonia - hoping to never hear from you again :-) Alex Makedon


 * Let me assure you that I will be contacting an admin about your standards of behaviour since you clearly insulted me with words like "loser" and "psycho", hence violating WP:CIV and WP:NPA. --   Avg     20:26, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

LoL... Since i used looser in the frase if you are..., and Psyco in the question are you? - meaning maby you are this things, maby you aren't - im not assuming anything (i leave the reader to decide)- so they are not offenses. Anyway thats nothing compared to your harrasments and your personal war on WIKI. This is over im NOT posting to you or responding to your '''low class provocations. Im not here to waste my time with you. Cheers from your Macedonian friend :-)''' Alex Makedon


 * Please find another place for your nationalistic rants. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and you haven't added the slightest encyclopaedic information yet. Only propaganda and abuse. And please stop using Greek symbols like the Vergina sun without acknowledging that they are Greek. You see I have refrained from commenting for quite some time but enough is enough. This is a blatant theft of a registered (WPO) Greek symbol. --   Avg     21:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

no comment... he deleted my username sign... no comment Alex Makedon
 * I do not condone theft in my userpage sorry. This is a Greek symbol. Moreover you are (once again) in violation of Wikipedia guidelines. Have a look at WP:SIG and you'll see that images are not allowed.--   Avg     22:28, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for showing me that images werent allowed by the signature, as a new user i could not have known. For the Vergina Sunthe symbol of the ancient Macedonian Kings, beeing Greek theft i will not comment. Alex Makedon (talk) 22:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You're very welcome. As for Vergina Sun, yes it was the symbol of the ancient Macedonian Kings, who belonged to the Greek Argead dynasty (see this link for further info). Alexander the Great himself has declared that he is Greek. --   Avg     22:46, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Macedonian Kings who were Greek? I wonder why they are called Macedonians than. In the "propaganda" i wrote on the MK discuss page i made clear that for Alexandar the Macedonian, and for the events of 2500 years ago we can only guess or immagine. So the theories about 2500 years ago tend to be a simple political manipulation.

Think that we dont know who really made the 11/09/01 NY attacks, how can you clame what Alexandar the Macedonian King was or was not? Alex Makedon (talk) 23:00, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * They were called Macedonians as the Spartans were called Spartans and the Athenians were called Athenians. They were all Greeks. Back then the city-state model was prevalent that's why they fought each other. Yes I agree we cannot be 100% accurate with events that happened so long ago, but the historical record says that the Argead dynasty was Greek. --   Avg     23:04, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

London Meetup - January 12, 2008
Hi! There's going to be a London Wikipedia Meetup coming Saturday January 12, 2008. If you are interested in coming along take part in the discussion over a Meetup/London7. The discussion is going on until tomorrow evening and the official location and time will be published at the same page late Thursday or early Friday. Hope to see you Saturday, Poeloq (talk) 01:29, 10 January 2008 (UTC)