User talk:AviNation

DUS as a Lufthansa focus city
Please note, that Düsseldorf is indeed NOT a focus city according to our guidelines at ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_city. I quote: "a focus city is a destination from which an airline operates several point-to-point routes". Lufthansa however does not operate any routes FROM Düsseldorf meaning no based aircraft there. FRA is served with aircraft based in FRA, MUC is served with aircraft from MUC and the Newark route is served from MUC as well (MUC-EWR-DUS-EWR-MUC). So DUS is not a focus city according to our definition - it has a reason we removed it from the list when Lufthansa handed over its base operations to Germanwings / Eurowings. If you want to change that definition, please discuss it at the aviation portal first. Best regards.


 * You are wrong. First of all you did - not "we" the community. Düsseldorf is a focus city for Lufthansa as defined on Wikipedia (source):
 * - 1st condition: "a destination from which an airline operates several point-to-point routes" LH408/409 is the only flight left in whole network not routed via one of Lufthansa's hubs
 * - 2nd condition: "a focus city primarily caters to the local market rather than to connecting passengers" as Lufthansa reported via media itself local pax are around 70 percent on LH408/409
 * - there is no condition listed on Wikipedia that crew base or based aircraft is mandatory for this classification; in addition you are wrong again as Düsseldorf is still a Lufthansa crew base with own ops for LH's flights to EWR and FRA/MUC; both FRA and MUC are operated with Düsseldorf based aircraft too and an Airbus A330-300 will be based in Düsseldorf from march this year; so from you very personal point of view conditions are fulfilled
 * You are also completely wrong with Azur Air. Like Easyjet, Norwegian, SAS etc parental company Anex Tour uses one single brand for Azur Air in Russia and Germany beside the fact that the subsidiaries are independent from each other. Azur Air Ukraine uses its own brand with affix "Ukraine" on planes, website, uniforms etc. They even changed color. The company name you edited or the airline itself just does not exist! It's a mistake! And keep in mind that this is still Wikipedia and no aviation enthusiasts database.
 * Basically its very annoying how you act on Wikipedia. You don't contribute any content at all. You just edit content from registered users the way you think it should be. You don't discuss with users in talk threads or subject portals before. Or afterwards. And if those changes are not kept you just keep on editing until your IP is blocked. With a new IP from your ISP you start again. Very, very annoying. Wikipedia is a community. Not your personal space!! AviNation (talk) 14:03, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

March 2017
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Flights Bordeaux / Düsseldorf by HOP!
Evening, you're make a mistake.

Flights to Düsseldorf are operated with Airbus and ERJ, but there only Hop flights, not Air France. Your link, "route airlines route" is not official and non valid source.

My own source is the proof that theses flights are operated by HOP. It is a HOP press release.

https://www.hop.com/sites/default/files/press/130617_hop_air_france_lance_3_nouvelles_lignes_vers_lallemagne.pdf

Please stop to change the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.193.66.102 (talk) 20:27, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Routesonline is one of the most reliable sources in general and both respected and cited very often on Wikipedia. To be clear: it is a very, very valid source as they focus on global booking systems and not just press releases or else. I will make one last edit as a compromise. If you keep on deleting correct informations against common sense in WP:Aviation I don't mind anymore. False is false, and its unfortunately a widespread phenomenon on WP that users hiding behind anonymous IP's ignore rules and common sense on WP resulting from push quality down. --AviNation (talk) 23:57, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

1 - First again, your source is not available. Routes online is not an airline, sorry. Their publications are not official.

2- Your suggestion is your own and false. I have not a statut, a number... but my own source is correct — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.193.66.102 (talk) 17:50, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Routesonline is definitively a reliable source as no second. AviNation (talk) 13:06, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Brussels Airlines at DUS
Hello there, I see your point regarding the upcoming Brussels Airlines ops in Düsseldorf. However, these will be wetlease services under the Eurowings brand and wetlease operations are not listed as focus cities for the airline operating it - that's why e.g. Germanwings is never listed as having a hub anywhere (e. g. STR or CGN) as these are all Eurowings' operations. Your comparison with Lufthansa CityLine does not work as Lufthansa CityLine maintains its own operations for the Lufthansa Regional brand which is not a wetlease for Lufthansa, therefore it maintains its own hub operations and is listed as such. And yes, Brussels Airlines does operate the DUS-BRU services under its own brand but one route does not constitute focus city ops. Best regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.104.8.46 (talk) 13:32, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * But that's not stringent. For example all commuter airlines in the US are not listed at all no matter which brand or designator is used. On German airports (FRA/MUC) only subsidaries are mentioned - but not with the brand used (to be axact LH Regional is an artifice for pilots union and not used for distribution or else). Besides that Brussels Airlines is about to hire German flight crews (both cabin and flight deck) for its new Düsseldorf base as told in the reference with line training for example on Vienna route beginning in March 2018. They don't serve DUS/BRU route. Never did. Actually there is no big difference between CityLine, Air Dolomiti and Brussels Airlines as all of them are 100 percent subsidaries of Lufthansa Group like Eurowings. All subsidaries got long term confracts like wet leases as insurances for example are mandatory. Air Dolomiti, CityLine and upcoming Brussels Airlines' Düsseldorf base don't and won't have autark sales and marketing.
 * So from this point subsidaries should not be listed at all like in US airports articles or e.g. Brussels Airlines should be put in the list with their upcoming base. AviNation (talk) 23:20, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

January 2018
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 * TXL/JFK connection is not bookable for summer season at all - never was. The flight was planned to be transferred to Eurowings later on, but its also not bookable yet. Source for the second part: Lufthansa Group Newsroom In general, airlines don't release press informations or else for ceased flights. So its almost impossible to give a reference for not bookable flights. AviNation (talk) 14:23, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * No answer?! Very, very sad. Flights TXL/JFK are still not bookable for summer season 2018 and Eurowings declared, not to take over this service from march. So it will end in short. But that won't be published on WP as booking systems are obviously not a reliable source.--AviNation (talk) 13:57, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

LH at DUS
Greetings. FYI: Please note that DUS will indeed not remain as a focus city for LH beyond October 2018 as the long-haul service to Newark will be terminated at the same time as the closure of the crew base. This has been stated in the German press release given as a source. There is no fixed dated for this yet, therefore it is not yet listed as ending in the destination chart. However, as FRA and MUC will then remain as the only LH routes to DUS, it loses its focus city status. Best regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.174.29.227 (talk) 15:40, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * flymunich shower  fluginfo whatever, that's wrong again as most of your assumptions in our discussion. LH 408/409 will remain in service until April 2019 at least. The note itself is false, too, as a focus city can't be closed. The crew base will be closed, but their deployment site will be the same (DUS) for half a year minimum. --AviNation (talk) 20:55, 7 June 2018 (UTC)