User talk:Aviatik IMG

We may have to do some re-editing
Hello, Avatik,

You seem to be new to Wikipedia, though knowledgeable about World War aviation. Welcome aboard. You would probably best start by investigating the WP pages set up recently for new editors. Also, don't be afraid to ask for help. Many editors, including myself, pride ourselves on guiding new editors.

I write extensively in the field of WWI aces' biographies, which is how we crossed paths in the Karl Bolle article. You corrected some of my edits there, and caught one serious flaw and missed another.

Karl Bolle did indeed win the Max Joseph, as attested in Above the Lines, considered a gold standard of reliability. I realize upon reading Military Order of Max Joseph that it could be awarded to non-Bavarians; however, the outsiders were refused the title "Ritter von". As a result, I am going to have to kill the move to Karl Ritter von Bolle, return the article to Karl Bolle, and revisit the Military Order of Max Joseph situation. This will probable cause some problems with later edits, such as yours. It's an unhappy situation with which we will have to deal.

Concerning those edits:

If read carefully, it can be seen that I reported both locations at which Bolle trained. I then remarked that this was pretty standard. Unlike you, I did not specify kinds of training even though I am aware of them; I forebore because it verges on original research. If challenged, I cannot point to a specific source for extensive knowledge of Bolle's actual training, his assignment to Jastaschule, etc. You have been more definite, so you should have such a reference handy for the doubters. Incidentally, I have run across examples of German ground soldiers who went directly to fighter pilot duty and became aces, so you may wish to hedge on your claim that the procedure you outlined was standard. Certainly, the most dubious thing you have written concerns captured planes; I have never seen any source that claimed that captured enemy planes were part of the training curriculum.

Incidentally, removing reliably sourced material from an article, as you did with the Max Joseph, is taken very seriously in the Wikipedia community. It should be justified by overwhelming proof of error, preferably by reliance on other reliable sources. A bit of prior discussion with the other editor(s) can head off edit warring in such cases.

I realize this is probably a lot more response than you anticipated. However, I enjoy coaching rookie editors. Let's work together to improve this article.

Best regards. Georgejdorner (talk) 21:32, 6 February 2013 (UTC)