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Category:LGBT politicians of the United States
Please stop adding the Category:LGBT politicians of the United States to pages that already have Category:LGBT state legislators of the United States. LGBT politicians of the United States is a parent category of state legislators and therefore redundant. Thank you. GcSwRhIc (talk) 17:36, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm already done with those. I was merely performing a category split that listed at WP:CFD/W/M - Sorry to have duplicated the categories, but there were no notes at WP:CFD/W/M nor the deletion discussions about this. Again, sorry. Avic ennasis  @ 19:00, 10 Nisan 5771 / 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed. I've gone through all articles in Category:LGBT politicians from the United States, and if that article was also in a subcat, then the parent cat was removed. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. :) Avic ennasis  @ 20:58, 11 Nisan 5771 / 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Just a note
A little over a year ago, you made the first revision to my talkpage with a nice welcome note. I just wanted to let you know that I'm still around and well; I've seen your name at the reference desk and the bear pit occasionally, but we haven't really interacted much. Just wanted to make sure you know at least one of the users you welcomed is still around and well. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 20:47, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * That's really, really good to hear. :) I've seen all too often a new contributor only making a few valuable edits before being scared off for one reason or another. I'm glad to see your still here - I've seen some of your work with WP:UAA, and other areas - keep up the great contributions. Avic ennasis  @ 21:07, 11 Nisan 5771 / 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Westinghouse Air Brake ...
I added the NRHP nomination form from PHMC. It's got about 8 pages of detailed info on the building. I fairly randomly added it as footnote 12. Smallbones (talk) 04:20, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! This has really helped me expand the article. :) Avic ennasis  @ 21:41, 23 Nisan 5771 / 27 April 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks for ref format help (May 4 help desk #3)
Your contribution (slightly modified) may be viewed at fn 14 in Gene Schoor.63.17.78.77 (talk) 22:39, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. :) Avic ennasis  @ 13:49, 10 Iyar 5771 / 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Brilliant
Thank you very much. When was Sir Charles Arbuthnot appointed KCB please? Kittybrewster  &#9742;  12:46, 14 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, the bad news is that this one is really hard to find, since there was also a British Diplomat named Charles Arbuthnot, and he had several titles in his life. The good news is, I was able to find a Public Domain picture of Sir Charles Arbuthnot. :) I'll keep looking for the date, though! <sup style="color:red;">Avic <sub style="color:blue;">ennasis  @ 13:48, 10 Iyar 5771 / 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I am delighted with the picture. Many thanks. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  14:02, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * There is also a General Charles George James Arbuthnot, who, like Sir George Gough Arbuthnot is pictureless. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  14:13, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

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Blockpartyweho username concern tag
I see that you removed a username concern tag from User:Blockpartyweho. I probably should've been clearer in why that concern was being raised; I was addressing the concern to the user, with whom the reason for the concern had already been brought up, I believe on a now-deleted talk page. "Block Party" is the name of a store in West Hollywood ("WeHo"), and the user was the web designer for the store. As such, the name was one that represents an organization. (User was editing a now-deleted page that talked repeatedly about a Mr. Block who owned the store.) It seems to me that the tag you deleted should be restored until whatever appropriate username change is done. --Nat Gertler (talk) 13:50, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Per the instructions at Category:Wikipedian usernames editors have expressed concern over and discussions at WT:UAA, Stale reports should be removed from this category. As the notice was from April, and the user's last edit was May 5th, this is stale. :-) If the user returns, feel free to post a notice at WP:UAA. <sup style="color:red;">Avic <sub style="color:blue;">ennasis  @ 13:54, 27 Iyar 5771 / 31 May 2011 (UTC)

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Im just testing im not vandalizing --Tohoeg (talk) 16:40, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Then you should be using a sandbox - do not test on live articles. Here's a quick easy way to make one.


 * Hope that helps. <sup style="color:red;">Avic <sub style="color:blue;">ennasis  @ 16:44, 8 Sivan 5771 / 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Category:Sephardi Jews
Hi Avi, you removed the category, "Sephardi Jews" from the Frieda Belinfante page. Any reason why, or was that bot action? Funk & Wagnall's traces her paternal line pretty clearly that way. Thanks! Laguna greg (talk) 17:46, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I removed it because the category didn't exist, and per out guidelines at Categorization, "an article should never be left with a non-existent (redlinked) category on it. Either the category should be created, or else the link should be removed or changed to a category that does exist." However, by all means, please feel free to create Category:People of Sephardi Jewish descent if you believe it to be a useful category. <sup style="color:red;">Avic <sub style="color:blue;">ennasis  @ 22:25, 11 Sivan 5771 / 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Avi,

Thanks for explaining that, and you quick response! I'm spending some time updating that page and, as a NB here, didn't want to put foot in mouth yet again. Laguna greg (talk) 16:17, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

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About your recent project tagging
Hi there Avicennasis. I saw you were recently doing a lot of high speed WikiProject tagging. Were you using some kind of program to do this, or just editing manually? Also, did you discuss this with the project before you started tagging? Regards, - Kingpin13 (talk) 14:51, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I sometimes use a program called TypeItIn for some of my more repetitive editing, but I try to watch my speed with it. :-) I didn't discuss any tagging because I didn't believe it was necessary - if a page clearly falls within the realms of a WikiProject, there should be no problem. I did check a few talk pages that were already tagged by members, and copied the template they used for the rest. e.g., here for here. <sup style="color:red;">Avic <sub style="color:blue;">ennasis  @ 15:06, 12 Sivan 5771 / 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. Could I suggest you use a bot in future? You can find a list here, and it'll save yours and others' time as the edits will be marked as bot edits, and therefore can be set to not show up on watchlists/recentchanges. In addition, the bots can just be set to run in the background on the operator's computer, as they do not need to be constantly supervised. Some of the bots also feature some pretty fancy features such as class auto-assessment/inherit. Alternatively you could start up your own bot to do all of that with AWB using Plugin++, but you'd need approval for that - let me know if you want details on how to get your own bot going, but obviously that's not required as there are already a fair number of bots willing to do this task. Regarding asking the project, it's not such a problem for category tagging or this particular project, but some smaller projects can become overwhelmed if you tag to many articles as in their scope: It's always best to be cautious. - Kingpin13 (talk) 15:48, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll keep that in mind for any more large scale tagging. :-) Perhaps I might put another BFRA for AvicBot in the future for this. <sup style="color:red;">Avic <sub style="color:blue;">ennasis   @ 16:06, 12 Sivan 5771 / 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Just a suggestion. Could you use WikiProject Trains instead of a redirect in the future? Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 16:00, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll try to watch for that in the future - I know that even if redirects are cheap, (and plentiful!) they can be annoying to BotOps and the like for changes down the road. :-) Thanks for the heads up. <sup style="color:red;">Avic <sub style="color:blue;">ennasis  @ 16:06, 12 Sivan 5771 / 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Weather box
Hi Avicennasis,

what is the "date" parameter you inserted here? I cannot find it documented in Template:Weather box. --dealerofsalvation 15:32, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It's part of AutoWikiBrowser/Dated templates. Near as I can tell, the reason it gets dated is so if someone uses the template but doesn't provide a source for the data, it'll automatically tag it as { { citation needed}}, and the date help sorts that tag, the same way { { citation needed|date=June 2011}} would. <sup style="color:red;">Avic <sub style="color:blue;">ennasis  @ 15:41, 15 Sivan 5771 / 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * hum … A source is provided in parameter “source 1“. That suffices to remove the date? --dealerofsalvation 16:23, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * With a source, of course, the { { citation needed}} won't show/add CN categories. You could remove the date tag, but it's not hurting anything, and it's likely to get re-added by another AWB user eventually. <sup style="color:red;">Avic <sub style="color:blue;">ennasis  @ 17:07, 15 Sivan 5771 / 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You AWB users are adding parameters because they’re “not hurting”? Seems to me you should fix AWB not to add unneccessary stuff. --dealerofsalvation 06:54, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It is necessary if there is no source, and WP:AWB isn't able to read complex templates to make sure the field is filled out properly. If a source is missing, it helps - if a source isn't missing, it doesn't hurt. One possible benefit outweighs the zero negative consequences. If, however, you still think it should be changed, feel free to bring it up for discussion. <sup style="color:red;">Avic <sub style="color:blue;">ennasis  @ 07:00, 16 Sivan 5771 / 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, superfluous parameters which are not documented are confusing to the readers of the source code and thus reduce the source’s quality, so I consider this a bug. As a user of AWB, not being a component of MediaWiki, you are responsible for its use including its known bugs and I don’t consider it my business to report bugs of tools I don’t use. If weather boxes are to complicated for AWB to handle, then AWB can’t be of any use in locating unreferenced weather boxes anyway, right, so why don’t you just exempt the weather box from the list of templates it hooks on?
 * Anyway, you should not knowingly use a tool with a known bug in instances where the bug knowingly strikes – just like you shouldn’t manually add some random unsupported parameter to some random template. --dealerofsalvation 18:20, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I truly don't see how this "reduces the sources' quality'. It's not a bug, it's an intended feature of AWB that is in place due to consensus. If you wish to change that, you need to discuss it with the larger community. It's not up to me to single-handedly disable an agreed upon feature. Also, I've added the documentation on this feature via this edit. I hope this addresses your concerns - if not, then you will need to mention it at WT:AWB. <sup style="color:red;">Avic <sub style="color:blue;">ennasis  @ 18:38, 18 Sivan 5771 / 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, if that feature is not a bug and if it makes sense, then at least one of my following assumptions I got from what you wrote here and at the template doc must be wrong. I’d appreciate you to tell me which of these is/are wrong, otherwise I’ll just manually remove the date: I’m confident no discussion is needed to know that #4 is definitely not wanted, and it’s our job to prevent that – either yours by telling me where I’m wrong, yours by not using a tool leading to that consequence, or mine by manually removing the date. --dealerofsalvation 06:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) AWB is supposed to add “date” parameters to any instance of a list of templates it finds that doesn’t have a source specified
 * 2) Some mechanism (e. g. SmackBot, I assume) will add a subcategory of Category:Articles with unsourced statements to any article bearing a template with a “date” parameter.
 * 3) Specifically with weather boxes, AWB can’t correctly recognize if a source is specified and it will always add a “date” parameter to each and every weather box it encounters, whether it bears a source or not.
 * 4) So eventually all articles containing a weather box will get into a subcategory of “Category:Articles with unsourced statements”


 * Number four is where your error in logic is. The article will only be listed in a subcat of Category:Articles with unsourced statements if there is no source specified. All articles that use the template and have the source listed in the template will not be listed in a subcat Category:Articles with unsourced statements.


 * I tried to make this clear when I said "With a source, of course, the citation needed won't show/add CN categories."


 * So, to repeat/clarify, the date will only list the article in a subcat Category:Articles with unsourced statements if the source field is blank. I hope that explains things properly - I'm sorry if I used any unclear language above. <sup style="color:red;">Avic <sub style="color:blue;">ennasis  @ 06:36, 19 Sivan 5771 / 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, as IMHO #2 and #3 inevitably combine to #4, this means #2 is not correct either – not the way I wrote it. I have some interest in Smackbot as I plan to setup a similar scheme of maintainance categories at de.wikipedia, and it seems SmackBot & Co are double-checking whether really a source is missing, and it seems in contrast to AWB they are able of correctly dealing with weather boxes, but I know you’re not the right one to talk about SmackBot, and I’ve contacted its operator before. Anyway, this here stuff is now OK for me – but I’ll come back in the event Aalen gets categorized as unsourced ;) --dealerofsalvation 15:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm crying
Hi, It seems you created category "Sockpuppets of Gantuya eng". Was it so necessary to create it? I have been treated too harsh anyway. I was accused, personal attacked, insulted, humiliated in connection with this case. And that's all for my volunteering for better content of Wikipedia. I will be very thankful, if you delete it. None of them are my sockpuppets. Most of them seem to be real names of people. I understand it's good to defend the rules of Wikipedia and many editors like you are granted Wiki-knighthood for such defence. But who is going to care for human soul? When will my heart heal? They all humiliated me and why should you contribute to the humiliation as well? Gantuya eng (talk) 03:58, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The page was only created because it was listed at Special:WantedCategories. Whether or not it belongs, I have no opinion about. Note that currently no pages link to it, so short of you mentioning it, no one will stumble across a link to it. I'm not too sure what the policy (if any) is on keeping these categories around - however, you could ask Maunus or another admin to delete it, if they determine it's not needed. :-) I wish you the best of luck, and a welcome back. <sup style="color:red;">Avic <sub style="color:blue;">ennasis  @ 07:07, 16 Sivan 5771 / 18 June 2011 (UTC)

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 * No prob. Some wiki's don't mind unflagged editing, some do, and it's hard to tell the difference when you don't know the language! :-) I have posted at the link you gave me. <sup style="color:red;">Avic <sub style="color:blue;">ennasis  @ 17:05, 24 Sivan 5771 / 26 June 2011 (UTC)

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