User talk:Avinesh/Archive 2

Ettumanoor
Please have a look at ettumanoor and help this article. --Avinesh Jose 10:24, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Jehovah's Witnesses and religious freedom
I have responded to your message on my Talk Page there.

However, I wish to point out that you have not finished the AFD nomination process. Please re-read WP:AFD and complete steps 2 and 3. Otherwise, the AFD process will not start. I would do it for you but I don't know what your nomination rationale is.

--Richard 07:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I have responded to your second message on my Talk Page there. --Richard 07:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Since you have not completed the AFD nomination, I have decided to go ahead and rename the article to Jehovah's Witnesses and civil liberties. This should not impede you from completing the AFD nomation. However, I would suggest that you re-read the article and consider whether the AFD nomination is appropriate. I have expanded the article and added references which should make it clear that the topic is encyclopedic and notable. --Richard 16:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Labour India
Hi Avineshjose -- I deleted the article because the discussion at AfD came to a clear consensus that the subject was not notable. I have just reviewed the deletion discussion; based on the article and the evidence presented, I don't think that another administrator would be likely to come to a different opinion. However, you are of course welcome to take the matter to deletion review.

Alternatively, I can provide you with the content of the deleted article in userspace or by e-mail for you to work on offline and attempt to address the concerns that were raised during the deletion discussion. To meet WP:CORP you would need to provide reliable sources that are independent of the company itself and that are non-trivial, ie that amount to more than just a directory listing. Regards, Espresso Addict 09:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Although these are rejected proposals, you may find it useful to consult Schools/Defunct, Schools/Old proposal and Schools/March 2007. Because none of these is an actual policy or guideline, you will not be able to rely on them for definitive guidance to create a article that will be worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia. However, the ideas in these proposals will give you a good idea of what issues people have thought should be considered. You may also want to revisit WP:CORP for the guidelines regarding businesses and other enterprises. --Richard 16:51, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've e-mailed the text of the deleted article via the e-mail link on your user page. Please drop me a note on my talk page if it doesn't arrive, as e-mail via Wikipedia doesn't always seem to get through to me reliably. Espresso Addict 10:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I got it thanks, I am trying to re-edit, or shall I send you all those details to your email id. Details means, compmanies registration, notablity and business establishments etc.--Avinesh Jose 10:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's really not an area I'm very expert in -- there are many people far more appropriate to advise about what you need to establish for an article about an educational organisation. WikiProject Schools is probably the best place to ask. Cheers, Espresso Addict 11:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

AFD process
You wrote:
 * The three steps already done:WP:AFDTo list a single article for deletion for the first time, follow this three-step process:
 * Step 1) Put the deletion tag on the article, Status: Done
 * Step 2) Create the article's deletion discussion page : Status: Done (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_civil_liberties check here)
 * Step 3) Notify users who monitor AfD discussion.: Status: Done that part is available in the article discussion page, then tell me where else I am wrong?...--Avinesh Jose 06:26, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You have only completed Step 1. You have not performed either Step 2 or Step 3.

Step 2 requires that you create the page Articles for deletion/Jehovah's Witnesses and religious freedom. You must insert ~.

For reasons that I do not understand, the AFD template did not create a link to a "preloaded debate" page which would have given you instructions regarding what categories to use for categorizing the article for AFD purposes.

To fix this, I have deleted your AFD notice and replaced it with a fresh one. (Basically, redoing Step 1 for you.) For future reference, the template you need to use for AFD is.

Now, you are ready to do step 2. Just click on the "preloaded debate" link in the AFD template at the top of the Jehovah's Witnesses and civil liberties article. You should come to a "page creation page" which should say "Editing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jehovah's Witnesses and civil liberties". Follow the instructions and then save the page. That completes Step 2.

Step 3 is to advertise the AFD discussion page created in Step 2 in the AFD log. a. Edit today's AfD log and copy the following line to the top of the list on that page:

b. Use the below line as your edit summary: Articles for deletion/Jehovah's Witnesses and civil liberties

If you do all of that, then you have completed the process of nominating the article for deletion.

--Richard 06:57, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Jehovah's Witnesses and civil liberties
Your nomination of the article for speedy deletion gave the following as a reason: "The page has been created for a wrong intention and it may be included at jehovah's witness after an expert reviewed it."

This is not one of the speedy deletion criteria. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion.

--Richard 07:00, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Would you like a mentor to help you learn more about Wikipedia?
Hi Avinesh Jose,

Based on our interaction over the last few days, I think you would benefit from having a mentor help you learn how things are done here at Wikipedia. You could learn these things yourself by reading the various Wikipedia pages and participating in discussions such as WP:AFD and WP:RFA.

However, my impression is that you have learned little bits here and there without acquiring a full understanding of the basic principles of Wikipedia. As the saying goes, "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

This impression is based not only on our interaction but also on your contribution history. I sense that you like Wikipedia but I'm concerned that you will be frustrated if you go around trying to do things like nominate articles for speedy deletion without understanding what the criteria for speedy deletion are or nominating articles for deletion without completely understanding what the procedure is for doing that.

The AFD for the Jehovah's Witnesses and civil liberties article sat incomplete for a day and a half because you didn't understand how to complete the nomination. Without using any admin powers, I would have been fully justified in deleting the AFD nomination because it was incomplete. However, since that would probably have frustrated you, I figured I'd try and coach you into completing the nomination. Unfortunately, User:Chaser jumped in and did it for you so we lost that opportunity.

Anyway, the point of this message is that I think you might benefit from having a mentor. I am willing to serve as your mentor or, if you prefer, you may choose to ask for someone else via the Wikipedia adoption program or the Admin coaching program. Admin coaching has a long waiting list. I think the adoption program has a shorter waiting period to get an adopter.

You have the enthusiasm and interest to be a good editor and possibly even a good admin someday. I just think a little advice and mentoring will help keep you from getting frustrated by little misconceptions and misunderstandings along the way.

One last tidbit of advice for today. Do you use a watchlist? You can "watch" pages to see which ones have changed, who changed them and, if they left an edit summary, a summary of what the change was. See Help:Watching pages for details. In particular, I set my preferences so that every page that I edit is put on my watchlist. That way, I can see if people have changed or added to what I wrote. This is useful for having conversations. It would also have helped you to see that Jehovah's Witnesses and civil liberties had expanded dramatically since the time you nominated it for deletion. That might have motivated you to reconsider your desire to have it deleted.

And that, by the way, is the single best tactic for saving an article that has been nominated for deletion. Instead of spending all your time arguing about how "this is just a stub and it can be improved", just go ahead and improve it. The best argument for keeping an article is to make it so good that no one thinks it should be deleted. That's what I did. Your AFD actually motivated me to spend more time improving the article than I would have otherwise. Without the AFD, I might have improved it more slowly over a few weeks instead of inside a day.

So, in a way, I have to thank you for nominating the article. It lit a fire under my butt.

Best regards, --Richard 16:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)