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Introduction to contentious topics
Andre🚐 19:30, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Gaza Hospital explosion
I'm taking the discussion off the talk page of the article because it's probably not the best forum for discussion, but I have come across the following discussions. They do identify the location of the camera and use landmarks to identify where it is pointed. It doesn't quite line up with the star (but checking on Stellarium it seems to be at about 199°, not 205°).

https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1715859559107936660 https://github.com/sam158209/al-ahli-hospital-blast

It appears to show the rocket in question launching to the east, from east of the hospital, then turning back west towards the hospital. Speculation is that this is an iron dome interception that may only coincide with the hospital explosion since it would take very high speeds to reach the hospital in time, and there were other rockets launched at a similar time. I think this is worth keeping an eye on, but unfortunately we need reliable sources to include research such as this. StuartH (talk) 04:25, 24 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Actually, my mistake - 205° does seem right for that star, but it doesn't appear to match up with where that camera seems to be. StuartH (talk) 05:05, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for bringing the GitHub page to my attention. I'll take a closer look at the presentation there.
 * As for the exact location of Camera 1, I'm actually not entirely sure and will investigate further. At the moment I don't rule out that it is also a drone shot, as the height above sea level could be around 30 meters. There were no such tall masts or buildings on the beach. Still, I suspect the camera position is very close to the roundabout. Avior (talk) 07:23, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It is reasonably close, but if you look on Google Street View you'll see nearby buildings and likely the camera itself on what looks to be an apartment building, with the point of view matching up. GeoConfirmed is also shifting towards this view, and they were the ones who were widely cited in the initial OSINT analysis who pinpointed the explosion at the hospital as seen on the video. https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1716113399728218618 StuartH (talk) 00:52, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have to admit that sam158209 from GitHub did an excellent job. He is right about his location of the webcam. But that would mean that the skyscrapers are much further away from the camera than I had estimated. This means that the star I assumed would only have a height of approx. 2.3° above the horizon at the celestial position. But I can't find a star that would be at this position and is sufficiently bright.
 * I am therefore now assuming that the star I suspected is perhaps an airplane or a faulty pixel (unlikely).
 * I would also say this on the talk page of the article, but I don't want to prolong the discussion about it unnecessarily. What do you think? 2001:16B8:A2E:D800:B8F1:E120:83D5:9AA5 ([[User talk:Avior#top|talk]) 08:08, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * These claims have now been repeated by the New York Times and hence have now been included in the article itself. Wikipedia isn't really the place for original research, but it is now something that can be discussed on that talk page in the context of reliable sources. StuartH (talk) 04:38, 26 October 2023 (UTC)