User talk:Avishaiblau

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Your submission at Articles for creation: sandbox (September 7)
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KylieTastic (talk) 21:17, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

23andme is not a reliable source for Wikipedia
I reverted your edits as Samaritans do observe Shavuot and 23andme isn't a usable source. Andre🚐 23:27, 29 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I have a question. As a Jew myself, I must say we do not celebrate the same "Shavuot". The Shavuot I edited is what I thought Jewish based. I removed Samaritans as they celebrate their own 7 day version of Shavuot.
 * https://www.timesofisrael.com/atop-holy-mount-samaritans-mark-biblical-festival-of-shavuot/#:~:text=Unlike%20Jews%2C%20for%20the%20Samaritans,ancient%20Samaritan%20temple%20destroyed%20and
 * And here is another article from Chabad (a leading Orthodox institute) that states Jews and Samaritans were even at one point engaged in battle, and prominent Rabbis expelled the Cutheans from the Jewish fold and declared them to be gentiles.
 * Would these citations be of better use than 23andMe? Avishaiblau (talk) 23:37, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * This source from the Times of Israel is reliable, but it shows the opposite. It shows that Samaritans do observe Shavuot. The article is not exclusively about the Rabbinical Jewish Shavuot but about all of the versions of it. For example, the Karaite Jews also observe the holiday. So remember that Wikipedia is written for everyone and not just one group. Andre🚐 23:40, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I feel that they should have their own Wikipedia page with citations to things that represent their group (i.e. israelite-samaritans.com) as it makes it very convoluted on who is doing what and leaves large room for misinterpretation and misunderstanding. Samaritans have their own holy scripture, and again are NOT Jewish. Karaite Jews, are in fact Jews. Reform, Conservative, Egalitarian, and Orthodox Judaism are recognized sects of Judaism.
 * Samaritans even maintain their own holy book outside of the Torah, the book that belong to the Jewish people. I don't want this to be about one group, I want accurate representation for each group. This is like saying Messianic "Jews" observe Shavuot when no prominent Rabbinical leader acknowledges that they are Jewish. (i.e. https://free.messianicbible.com/holiday/jewish-believers-in-yeshua-celebrate-shavuot/) Yes, Messianics and Samaritans celebrate their "own" form of Shavuot but it is not the same Shavuot that is observed by Jews. Does this distinction mean anything?
 * The Israel Times article shows a clear and distinct difference between Jewish Shavuot and the Samaritan Pentecostal Shavuot. Avishaiblau (talk) 23:55, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That's not how it works here - the article Shavuot is about Shavuot in all of the different groups that observe Shavuot. To have a separate article for the Samaritan Shavuot is what's called a WP:POVFORK. It's possible for an article to become big enough that you need multiple articles like Shavuot in Judaism and Shavuot in Samaritanism and so on, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. Regardless of the religious view on this (and FWIW I am a Reform/Reconstructionist/Secular Jew myself) Samaritans aren't different enough that they need a separate article. You are free to propose this on the Talk:Shavuot page and try to obtain a WP:CONSENSUS to split up the page but again, I do not think it is necessary or proper to do so. Also, keep in mind that while there might be some technicalities of how Samaritans are separate from Judaism, they do still read the same Torah and their Shavuot is pretty much the same thing. You are welcome to expand the page to explain the differences if you have a reliable source (those links such as Messianic Bible, Chabad and Israelite-Samaritan etc are probably not reliable) but again, it is probably just a subsection of the same article not a separate article. Andre🚐 00:02, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the feedback and advice! That makes more sense to me. Thank you for your time and helping me better understand. I hope to make contributions that are worthwhile and look forward to future discourse. Thanks again! Avishaiblau (talk) 00:07, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Concern regarding User:Avishaiblau/sandbox
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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 22:01, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Your draft article, User:Avishaiblau/sandbox


Hello, Avishaiblau. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "sandbox".

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 21:17, 7 March 2023 (UTC)