User talk:Axem Titanium/Archive 5

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lol The JPS talk to me  23:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts manga article
Hey, I've been thinking of ways to improve the Kingdom Hearts (manga) artilce, and the conclusion I came to was to redo it as a list of Kingdom Hearts media. More on my reasoning can be found at Talk:Kingdom Hearts (manga). Anyway, I've created a test page of what it could look like on my sandbox page, and was hoping to get your input on it. Also I'm not sure whether or not to move the manga article to a media list or create the media list and then redirect the manga article there. Your thoughts would be appreciated on this whole matter. Thank you. PS- that edit summary is pretty darn funny. (Guyinblack25 talk 15:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC))
 * Thanks for your thoughts, I'll wait for what everyone else thinks too and then move the article. Re:Direction - I'm not sure where to go next. I'd like to take care of the manga article first, and maybe get it up to a Feature list. After that I'm not sure. I'd say either the characters or music articles. Both are in need of attention, though I'm not sure if we can find enough content for either of them. :-\ (Guyinblack25 talk 16:28, 6 August 2007 (UTC))
 * Re:KH Music - I've actually done about all I think I can do right now. I wish I could have found more info on Yoko's creation part, but oh well. I think Apostrophe has started doing a copy edit of it, it definitely wouldn't hurt to do it again after he's done. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:32, 9 August 2007 (UTC))

Venus (film)
Regarding the removal of the spoiler warning in the film Venus, I think it is necessary because it includes the end.-- Char leen mer ced  Talk  18:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Jackie Chan?
It doesn't look like Raul has closed out the FAC on Jackie Chan yet. Are you sure it's been promoted? Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

List of maps used in Red vs. Blue
Your AfD nomination indirectly reminding me that the page actually existed! Somewhere in my two wikibreaks this year, I forgot about it. I'm kind of surprised that no one nominated it for deletion or just plain redirected it before. — TKD::Talk 07:07, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

ffvii map
Greetings. I see your point. Something I'm not clear on: do you think this user-created map should be used rather than an in-game screenshot? – Quadell (talk) (random) 17:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Considering Wikipedia's unbelievable image policies (one of the few weaknesses of the project), I bet we'd have even more issues if we use the official version. &mdash; Deckiller 17:05, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've recieved a request to work on the article Derek Sherinian; ideally, I want to get it to featured status. In addition, I'm working on a few Star Wars things&mdash;you know, taking a break from Final Fantasy. We can certainly get every FF article to at least GA status, but there's no time limit. &mdash; Deckiller 17:34, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, everyone is going back to school. That was a test to see who was still around. Besides, I don't think the project needs my motivation anymore. &mdash; Deckiller 23:19, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Just for completeness sake:

Image:Ffvii worldmap new.png listed for deletion
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Featured topics
Wouldn't it have been better to change the wording in the template rather than the topic names? If there are reasons for the series articles to be named "Something (series)" rather than just "Something", these reasons should apply to the topic names too. Kariteh 17:12, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

List of characters in Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance FL attempt.
You asked me tell you if the were going to be any FA attempts. Well, we're trying for FL. It's in pretty bad condition, but, let's see what can be done. Ashnard Talk  Contribs  16:26, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the suggestions. Ashnard  Talk  Contribs  07:54, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I hate to be a pain, but I've now tried the method for List of characters in Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance. It's not yet referenced, but was this what you were suggesting? I certainly prefer this style. If it's deemed suitable, then I'll do this for all of the characters. Thank you. Ashnard  Talk  Contribs  09:06, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

One more thing, the other sections shouldn't be as long as Greil's Mercenaries. The characters in G's M are given a much bigger backstory than the other characters. Ashnard Talk  Contribs  09:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. My plan is to write (or rewrite) it first, and then get it referenced. With me having to go back to school soon, I won't have a lot of time to do this, but I'll do what I can when time's available. Ashnard Talk  Contribs  15:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Your edits to Big Brother pages
Hi. Thank you for your edits to Big Brother 8 (US) and Big Brother: After Dark, however, your edits have been reverted. Removal of the spoiler warning tags has been discussed previously, and it has been decided to keep them on the page. I did however, use your recommendation to move the spoiler tag (the one on Big Brother: After Dark from the top of the page, to the start of the episode summary section. If you still feel strongly about this, please start a new discussion on the corresponding articles' talk page.  Thank You.  - Rjd0060 18:59, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I find that your comment might be a little sarcastic or you just didn't believe me. There really is no need for that. But here are a couple examples anyways. The second one is a lot more specific, and might be more what you are looking for.


 * A general note


 * And a more specific discussion:
 * I think we need to add a spoiler tag at the top of this page. Some viewers would rather see the show to find out information, while this page will be updated with information from the live feeds. Since it would be difficult to stop editors from updating based on the live feeds, I think a spoiler tag will help prevent viewers from reading the information posted that has not beed released on the show. Z1720 04:16, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, not everyone likes to be spoiled. I know this is an encyclopedia, but it's not a live feed, or message board. People looking up information here, rather than other places that know spoil the show, would be very upset to know before hand on this site. I think this is a common courtesy. Although, people in different time zones will have a problem too. But, should be aware, hopefully, that it is EST zone. At least, it saves the outcome for those on the East Coast, other time zones are aware, I feel, that they can be spoiled because of time zones, not live feeds, etc. - Jeeny Talk 04:25, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It also fits Wikipedia guidelines on spoilers. See here. I'm going to add the tag, as it is better than the banner that was up before about the upcoming series (which I removed), as it is more obtrusive than the spoiler tag. - Jeeny Talk 04:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for adding the spoiler tag. :) Z1720 06:26, 8 July 2007
 * I think it would be good not to have the nominees, or the veto winner in the article until that respective episode airs, its common courtesy for the people who watch the show from episode to episode and don't have live feeds or who simply don't watch BB After Dark on Showtime Too. I think it is better all around, and spoiler tags are good. Alucard 16 03:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * And by the way I pulled that from (IT IS TOWARDS THE END)

Those that I pointed out here are from Archive 1. There might be a few more through the other archives. You can look yourself if you'd like. - Rjd0060 21:06, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * And again, if you really feel strongly about this, then you could always start a discussion about it on the talk page. - Rjd0060 21:07, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

OK. Well I am not going to continue this back and forth "argument". I'll just say, once again, if you want something changed, use the discussion page. Maybe it could get changed. I don't know for sure, until it is discussed again. - Rjd0060 02:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts (series)
Hi, Axem Titanium.

I just want to let you know that Kingdom Hearts (series) is now at featured status. I would be very much appreciated if you respond to this comment. Thanks. Greg Jones II 23:25, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Peer Review
Hello. Just to let you know, I've submitted List of characters in Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance for Peer Review. Thanks. Ashnard Talk  Contribs  14:05, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Sora's Family
I can see how it wasn't worded appropriately for wikipedia, but that is not vandalism - it is simply rooted too much in speculation.KrytenKoro 04:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Use of term vandalism
Please thing twice before you label an edit as vandalism. You reverted what looked like a good-faith edit to Final Fantasy XII, calling it vandalism. From glancing at your talk page and contribution history, you seem to do that fairly often. -- wrp103 (Bill Pringle) (Talk) 17:07, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your edits to the Final Fantasy XII Reception section, dude, you continue to redo my edits, which use almost the producer's exact words, changing them to "rushed" which is absolutely not what he said; he never said that any less time was spent on FFXII's storyline than other games in the series. He responded to criticisms he's heard from Japanese fans of the series that the plot wasn't as good as past games in the series. Those were his words. I'm sorry if you (an obvious fan of the game,) don't want that quote up there, but that's WHAT HE SAID and by twisting his words, you're misleading the public.

Info845 20:58, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Info845, keeping on reverting while leaving your edit summaries blank didn't help your cause. The issue was/is obviously a little controversial, and the neutral balance can be difficult to maintain, so you should have said something in your edit summaries or, better yet, have opened a discussion on the talk page to voice your opinion more clearly. Axem's reasons were perhaps uncorrect, but at least he worded them. Your edits, on the contrary, were totally unexplained, you did nothing to explain them even when you saw that it caused some conflict. You apparently just hoped that silently reverting the article once, twice, or more would somehow eventually resolve the issue: well, this is never the case; issues are never resolved without words. Kariteh 21:33, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Alright, alright. (to Axem,) I dropped the "fans" line in compromise (because, dude, seriously, the game was in development for over 5 years. Nothing about it was rushed) but just...off the record, I guess, if Japanese fans were as vocal as American fans about the game's plot, I can see why the producer would feel the need to mention it. The way it's worded right now is perfect. To Kariteh, honestly, I have no idea how to even get to my edit summaries, so that's why I haven't made use of them, but either way, (IMO) the source speaks for itself, I'm not sure why it is so controversial. But yeah, I guess we were both willing to compromise. The way it is right now is PERFECT.

Info845 23:58, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm glad to see you two were able to work something out between you. -- wrp103 (Bill Pringle) (Talk) 20:40, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Caption revert
Any particular reason you decided to rever the changes I made to one of the image captions in Fire Emblem? I'm not angry or anything, just curious as to why you decided to take the time and effort to revert something that better described the image. It is possible (though definitely improbable) that someone could arrive at the Fire Emblem page and not know who either Link or Ike are. Maybe they were linked there from the article for a tactical RPG they play on a non-Nitendo platform and pay zero attention to Nintendo products. Anyways, just wondering about your thought process on this one. Infernal Inferno 05:56, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. That's rather amusing. Whose bright idea was it to put the picture with Link up anyways, at least in that place under that title? Ike wasn't even the main focus of that image. Alright, glad that little misunderstanding is done with. Good for a laugh or two though, eh? Infernal Inferno 23:01, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Super Mario RPG lists
Currently, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars has two lists pertaining to it (List of characters in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, and List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). User:TTN decided it would be best to merge the lists into the main article and split Smithy Gang into those articles. I recently merged Smithy Gang into the list of chatacters by removing the non-notable characters, and I have asserted that a cameo section in the list of characters is valid, per Trivia sections and Handling trivia that uses Alex Trebek as a good example. I have suggested that we rename the articles per Requested moves to something along the lines of Characters of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and World of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars or Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) just like Characters of Final Fantasy VIII and World of Final Fantasy VI or Gaia (Final Fantasy VII). I believe if these articles are to evolve beyond a non-notable list, they should be renamed. For example, List of Final Fantasy VII locations was merged into Gaia (Final Fantasy VII), because a World article is notable, but a simple list of locations is not. That is why there are other secions of the article to make it a World article. It simply has not been renamed yet.

TTN believes the citations in the development and reception sections of the list of locations, books and magazines, are trivial sources. When I added that the 3D perspective of the game is reminicent of Equinox to the main article, TTN removed it since my souce was "the opinions of the Nintendo Power player's guide writers". Although it was actually Nintendo Power magazine, I do believe a magazine is a reliable source, and I gave a page from Next Generation Magazine which also said the same thing. In addition, I was surprized that TTN said that it was from the players guide, since he claims to own the players guide for the game. He has not verified this, since I asked him for citations in May, "Could you look in the back of the Player's Guide and tell me what “types” of … Magic? I forgot what they call it in the game … well, anyways, what types of Special Attack or whatever it is (actually, could you find out what it's called?) there are? I remember some vaguely when I owned the guide like “Fire”, “Jump”, “Electricity?”, etc. Could you provide a citation, like the page number with a quote in context?" TTN replied that he was going to "get to it" (User talk:TTN/Archive 5). TTN claims the player's guide is "at the bottom of a box that's behind at least five others in a cramped space". Seeing that TTN did not recognize that the page was not from the player's guide when I provided a scan of the page in question from Nintendo Power shocked me. However, I have continued to assume good faith by not questioning TTN's honesty.

Per Consensus, I have offered five different reasonable, temporary compromises that might integrate my idea with TTN's. TTN rejected my compromise because it still keeps the articles. I agreed I would consider a redirect, but Article size does not allow that, since the list of locations is currently 82 KB long. Instead, I agreed to help cut down the geography section that is the bulk of the article, but TTN rejected that as well because TTN states, "I am not interested in working on the article in regards to improving it." and "get past this "having sources automatically means that this information is good" mentality." TTN states, "I don't think they have or will ever assert notability." I have replied with, "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so if you don't think the articles will ever assert notability, we cannot yet know this, per Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions.
 * 1) Go over the list of characters so we can delete non–notable characters
 * 2) Rename the articles by following the steps at Requested moves.
 * 3) Cut down the geography section list of locations by cutting it into the regional maps the adventures use when traveling from one to another. I can get pictures and write the fair use rationals, and someone can cut down the text that has no citation and does not allude to other media.
 * 4) Write the concept and creation and reception sections for the list of characters
 * 5) Write the concept and creation section for the main article

Would you please take a look at Talk:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and give us your thoughts? Taric25 01:25, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Characters of Kingdom Hearts‎ for GA
Hey, I was wondering if you could nominate the Characters of Kingdom Hearts‎ article for GA? I already have an article on the GAN page and I believe they frown upon editors self-nominating more than one at a time. (Guyinblack25 talk 20:36, 1 October 2007 (UTC))

RMLF
If you didn't know RMLF has been officially 'disbanded' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.195.55 (talk) 15:21, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Says who? If Young Democrats, Young Republicans and a non-existent political forum are mentioned, I don't see why Young Independents can't be mentioned —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.195.55 (talk) 21:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Ascendant Justice
Earlier this year why did you put the db-typo tag on Ascendant Justice? It's the name of a Covenant ship, of course it makes sense for it to redirect towards an article on the Covenant. I already got it undeleted (& made a better redirect) but I'm just curious why it was deleted in the first place. SNS 15:02, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Final Fantasy XII
I can see you've changed the sentance in the third opening paragraph in the Final Fantasy XII article. Now that you've mentioned catagories I find your current edit perfectly fine. Before my complaint was that is just said "title of Game of the Year" which would imply overall that year when it won more subs than overall, but now we can agree on what has been put down. I know you're in for the best interests of wiki and I'm glad we've avoided any pointless "edit wars" that are never good for article development. Thank you. Stabby Joe 02:33, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion/List of fictitious films (2nd nomination)
As you participated in the first AfD for this article, I thought you would be interested that it has been nominated once again. SkierRMH 21:51, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

0 (Kirby Series)
The delete portion of the move history is complete. Dreadstar †  02:35, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I was just trying to figure out if I got the latest version into place; from your note it looks like I did? It was a tad bit confusing..;)  Let me know if it's what you envisioned.. Dreadstar  †  03:12, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Deleted. I'll let you pull the trigger on the move if you like... :) Dreadstar  †  03:17, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Dreadstar  †  03:19, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I think I got all the talk pages and that last "0" page cleaned up. Any more out there that I may have missed? Dreadstar  †  03:33, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Magnolia (film)
I've already been through this with Tony Sidaway today. I am aware that WP:SPOILER says that spoiler tags are usually redundant. But not always. The article really doesn't have a plot summary (except for the first few minutes of the film). It is almost completely character description. So "Plot summary" or "Plot overview" is an inaccurate section title. The article may need improvement (i.e., a clearer plot summary), but as it is there is no plot summary, and the spoiler tag is needed. Ward3001 20:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I completely agree that the article needs a lot of work. I normally remove spoiler tags, but until the article has a decent plot summary, I think this is one of the exceptions. Ward3001 02:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Spoiler
FYI, seven days is the number for TfDs. See WP:TFD. JoshuaZ (talk) 23:57, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Naruto: Clash of Ninja
I recreated the article Naruto: Clash of Ninja for the individual game, so that the series page (Naruto: Clash of Ninja (series) could be retained at its current status, considering that I plan to split off other games in the future. Thanks, Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 00:29, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I plan to rewrite the content on the series page in any case. Besides, the game is individually notable and new consensus is towards separating the games that deserve to have their own pages. Regards, Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 00:31, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure. Go ahead. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 00:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * There's still a lot, but it's getting better. Five featured lists, one good article, and a featured topic nomination make it look better. =) Thanks though. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 00:41, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Final Fantasy VIII World Name
I no longer have a copy of the Ultimania, so I can't cite one. I know I am right, but understands if it perhaps should remain unnamed until a source can be cited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Strifegeek (talk • contribs) 03:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Your Dark World Edits
I highly suggest you re-evaluate these edits. The Dark World series in Yugioh is and has been a playable decktype for some time. The Dark World of Zelda was merely another name for the Sacred Realm, which is the proper name for the world. User:The Clawed One 03:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Final Fantasy V Translation
I need a good notable source that backs up your claim as "one of the first translated", because I've encountered 6 articles today with the same statement (not one from the author, but a second party source to ensure bias doesn't get in the way.) If it's common, then a source shouldn't be too hard to find. If you can't find a source, I'll remove it again in 24 hours. Also read my talk page on the discussion regarding this. Newspaper98 (talk) 07:16, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Final Fantasy VII‎ eco-terrorism‎
I hope this isn't going to turn out to be a big deal but I re-added the wiki link. I was actually suprised when I read the article that it wasn't mentioned, it seemed like one of the most obvious aspects of the game(that related to the real world at least). Fennessy (talk) 00:29, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
Sorry I said your edits were vandalism. There was a Wikipedia error. The diff page for your edit showed several links removed and replaced with a GameSpy link repeated six or seven times. I checked again later and found this not to be true. SharkD (talk) 06:39, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

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Consider the Following
Do you think that you should remove Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions, since you could just put it by the original Final Fantasy Tactics.

Do you think you should removed The Final Fantasy Legends from the list, since the original Japanese name is Makai Tōshi Sa•Ga, which is not part of the Final Fantasy series. (They only used the name "Final Fantasy" to make profits.

You should add the mobile edition of Final Fantasy Adventure on the Notes section by it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.150.6.17 (talk) 06:35, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

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regarding Enchanted's Official references to Disney films section
you said "please prosify". I understand where you are coming from, but the section is a reference to a specific document that was provided by the filmmakers to film reviewers outlining (in bulleted format) various Disney references. The section is not intended to be a trivial list of all such references in the film, but only those that the filmmakers specifically mentioned. As such, I would like to remove the prose box you left; while prose style is the preferred method of communicating information in WP, it is not necessarily required if a different method could be used. There is, on the talk page for that article, one such attempt to prosify. If you would like, I suggest you eyeball what one enterprising editor did to see if that would work better... and more importantly, not lead future editors to add their own WP:OR observations to the list. In the current format, at the very least, we can ensure that the content stays static. Your thoughts? SpikeJones (talk) 22:59, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comment. I agree with your statement of it's not Wikipedia's job to reproduce that document here (copyvio concerns notwithstanding). The document was paraphrased, as opposed to being taken word-for-word.  So at the very least, what is presented here has already gone through a basic copyvio review.  Your comment of I believe that a sourced section documenting the most important of those references has already been done (to a point) with specific items being footnoted as having appeared in USAToday and other legit news sources.  The problem is trying to identify which items on the list are, as you say, most important.  My philosophy is that there will be rabid fanboys who will (and have) tried to add their own WP:OR items to the list.  Some may be legit, others have been mentioned by the filmmakers to be mere coincidence.  By limiting the list to what the filmmakers actually provided, we can at least nip rabid editors from adding their own nonsense to the article... which they will undoubtedly do, if that section is removed.  The fact that unbiased news agencies (footnoted) have interviewed the filmmaker about these specific references should be enough reason to include said section (in one form or other) at all. SpikeJones (talk) 00:24, 27 December 2007 (UTC)