User talk:Axsigma50

Alpha Chi Sigma
I see that the web page run by Alpha Chi Sigma uses HEXAGON most of the time, but not entirely, so that is reasonable to change. For the list of chapters, I'm going to alter a few of them in the way that they are displayed, U of Delaware should be consistent with the active and inactive chapters and have the greek letters first, though describing them differently in the parenthesis probably shows what is needed. Also, since the list contains the chartering and inactive history of the chapters, the 1970 should be restored, and the new rechartering date (2017 according to https://axsuky.wixsite.com/website/about-us-faqs ) will be added.Naraht (talk) 18:50, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, do you have chartering *dates* for the multi-letter chapters? (So instead of 1916, Alpha Alpha would be listed as having chartered on a specific day in 1916 like Omega is listed as June 12, 1915. Thank You.Naraht (talk) 18:56, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I can access the data for charter dates for the chapters. They are not published in a single place however, so there is not a reference that I can link/provide. Is the data still desired? Axsigma50 (talk) 19:13, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * My apologies, I used the term "published" loosely here. The Proceedings of the Grand Chapter are compiled and printed. A copy resides at headquarters, the Science History Institute (1985-2010), and with various interested members (e.g. Historian). I'm getting information for some of the dates by internal documents and the proceedings.  Axsigma50 (talk) 13:19, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure. Any source is good. Is this that they are in a book, that each is at a separate web page or something else?
 * Sorry if that got intermingled. Have fun. Of course, Ideal for wikipedia would be to have all chartering, dates of inactivity and rechartering all be in the sourcebook, but I'm not sure that that is what would be useful for the purpose the sourcebook is written. :)


 * The University of Delaware is not an active chapter yet, they are in the preliminary stages of the process and have been formally recognized as an interested group. I'm new to editing on wikipedia, I want to make sure it's conveyed that they are not yet an "active" chapter. Axsigma50 (talk) 18:56, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * And I left the right hand column as "Interested Group". (seems like *every* GLO has a slightly different name for groups in the process *shrug*). I also left it as italics to indicate that it isn't an active group. I've been editing wikipedia for about 15 years and I am on the Fraternities and Sororities Wikiproject. We do try to standardize across GLOs and in cases where group type matters, Alpha Chi Sigma would be grouped with other members of the PFA (and independent Professionals). I'd like to like to see a better reference on the wonderful Alumni that Alpha Chi Sigma has, including their Nobel Prize winners. Is that available on Alpha Chi Sigma's website?Naraht (talk) 19:02, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help with that. Every organization seems to have different terminology. Our website has information on members that are Nobel Laureates. https://www.alphachisigma.org/about-us/awards
 * We have an Educational Foundation that supports American Chemical Society (ACS) and AIChE (American Institute for Chemical Engineers) awards as well. The awards page linked above directs to the Foundation's website where the awardees are listed. Those are not awarded solely to members, however. If a member receives that award, their chapter and year is listed after the name. Axsigma50 (talk) 19:10, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks like a good number are at https://www.alphachisigma.org/file/award-winners/HallofFame.pdf . It appears that is a section out of the sourcebook, but I'm not sure referencing it to that or the source book is preferred. In either case, that would work quite well.Naraht (talk) 21:32, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The sourcebook may be preferred as that is updated first. Axsigma50 (talk) 13:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The sourbook is a treasure, see below.Naraht (talk) 14:18, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Professional Chapter vs. Professional Group?
How are they different and does one become the other? Naraht (talk) 21:39, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Professional Chapters consist of professional members (minimum of 8) that hold regular meetings, conduct outreach events, etc. They have voting privileges in the Grand Chapter. Professional Groups are informal. Meetings may not be regular, they do not necessarily perform outreach activities, they do not have voting privileges. They have to have a minimum of 5 members to be recognized as a group. Professional Groups must be in operation for a least 6 months before petitioning the Supreme Council to become a Pro Chapter.  Axsigma50 (talk) 13:38, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * https://www.alphachisigma.org/professional/groups-and-chapters This page of the website does need to be updated as Los Angeles Pro moved from a chapter to a group in July 2023. Axsigma50 (talk) 13:40, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanx. I'll add something to that effect (or you can. :) )Naraht (talk) 13:53, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I can add it. I'll probably use the text from the website. Axsigma50 (talk) 14:00, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Sourcebook.
I just finished scanning through the Sourcebook and I have a few comments...
 * 1) I think I'll just reference everything that is a Primary Source in the article to the Sourcebook, it will save time. :)
 * 2) I think there may be things in the sourcebook that can be used to add information to the article on the Professional Fraternity Association (particularly the section on its predecessors, didn't know the PIC required 12 groups to come into existence!)
 * 3) I'm an alumnus of your fellow PFA group, Alpha Phi Omega. There are things in the sourcebook I may recommend to my fraternity. Yes, I know Community Service probably wasn't what the PIC/PPA founders had in mind for a member organization, but APO fits into the other "umbrella" groups even worse. (We never cared about race/culture, like ACS we didn't have a Title IX exemption and like AXSigma we have a pledge process.)
 * 4) When I saw the Pledge pin, I *guessed* that the Alchemical Symbol was for Lead and as such, I would be *completely* shocked if the initiation did not contain at least *one* reference on turning Lead into Gold. :)Naraht (talk) 14:16, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The Sourcebook is a wonderful reference. I'm so glad you'll find it useful for other articles. We should have an updated version to post on the website soon. I don't much about the other organizations in PFA. I'll have to educate myself. Axsigma50 (talk) 14:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It can get a little tricky making sure that the references don't get messed up (in terms of page number) when new versions are placed in the same location on a website. I'll take care of that. It uses archive.org. If you are curious, https://web.archive.org/web/20161001000000*/https://www.alphachisigma.org/file/policies-and-procedures/FinalSourcebook.pdf appears to have links to all of the Sourcebooks back to 2016. Now if AXSigma had the sourcebooks online going back farther, even more information might be found. :)Naraht (talk) 14:54, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Mild Comment - Conflict of Interest.
(*Mild Comment*) Just on general principles, please read WP:COI. Most of it doesn't apply to you unless you are an employee of Alpha Chi Sigma, but some does (and the same amount to me as I edit the articles on Alpha Phi Omega). Your user page should mention that you are a member (I presume you aren't a paid employee) of Alpha Chi Sigma. A Userbox has been created for Alpha Chi Sigma and all you need to do is add to your userpage. Note there are currently four users who have it on their userpage Naraht (talk) 15:06, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Drbogdan (who has created it and edited it)
 * User:Ultracobalt
 * User:Johnpswan
 * User:Kiran891


 * Thank you, I missed that. I am a member, but also currently employed by Alpha Chi Sigma. Axsigma50 (talk) 15:09, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * So, I really should not be editing articles directly. I did not even think about that. Axsigma50 (talk) 15:12, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't care to disclose my identity to the general public. Do you need to go back and re-edit my edits then? (Thankfully there are only a few) I can just propose changes. Axsigma50 (talk) 15:15, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh. You seem much less *insistent* than most employees of Groups and are showing no signs of WP:OWNER, so I didn't guess. First of all, you've done nothing that requires that you disclose your personal identity. The *only* reason for you to have to reveal your personal identity would be if there was a Wikipedia page about you with something that was provably incorrect and you wanted to show from Primary Sources. For example, John Martison (fake person) has a wikipedia article about him that has a reference to the New York Times saying that he never served in the US Military. John Martison is willing to show his DD-214 to show that he *did* serve in the US Military. Under those circumstances, there is a way to contact people who actually work (paid) for the Wikipedia Foundation to prove identity and use the DD-214 to show it (and there would be ways to lock down to make sure that shouldn't change).


 * As for editing, I don't need to change your edits to the Alpha Chi Sigma page they all look NPOV, but in the future see how to use Template:COI. Stick in a and it will alert me that you made the request. Just curious, why the 50 in your name?
 * You may also want to reach out to User:Drbogdan, he is a brother and is also an experienced Wikipedia editor.Naraht (talk) 15:42, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for the guidance. Axsigma50 (talk) 15:57, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * NP. And as far as I can tell, he has the tool turned on that automatically notifies him anytime a link to his user page is placed on a talk page, so he knows now. :)Naraht (talk) 17:38, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The 50 is a personal reference for one of my roles in the Fraternity. It's obscure, not something anyone else would think about. Axsigma50 (talk) 16:14, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * So if the National President of Alpha Chi Sigma read everything you've posted here, they might be more likely to guess you than other employees. :) And in terms of being "doxed". I'm at one of the scale. Google "Naraht" and "fraternity" and subtract out Wikipedia and its copies and you'll know who I am in 5 minutes. OTOH, Wikipedia has been sued in court and resisted (always successfully, I think) having to give the real life name of editors. Now, I doubt that wikipedia is likely to be sued by a National Government to keep your ID quiet, but you'd know better than I. One reason that Accounts are suggested for privacy is that otherwise the IP address for the posting is what is shown. Now that probably just leads to Indianapolis, but something to think about.Naraht (talk) 17:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * They would know in a nanosecond. We all have a footprint. I just don't like to be on the first page results of a Google search. Axsigma50 (talk) 17:31, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Colors
From the history of the userbox, the question came up, what is the exact color from Chrome Yellow and Prussian Blue (the number that looks like #FE5638). I'm not sure that is in the sourcebook anywhere, but it might be elsewhere...Naraht (talk) 15:08, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia has articles on both of those colors. Prussian blue and Chrome yellow Axsigma50 (talk) 15:18, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * So #003153 for the Prussian blue and #FFA700 for the Chrome yellow respectively? (will probably be AFK all afternoon, don't worry)Naraht (talk) 15:37, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I think there is guidance on the specific colors for use on the web, but I do not recall where. I'll have to look into that. The current coat of arms on the wikipedia page has the incorrect colors. Axsigma50 (talk) 16:01, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The guidance would be from Alpha Chi Sigma itself, If it says that Alpha Chi Sigma's Prussian Blue is #003148 rather than #003153, then *that* is what would go in the article, but it should be referenced. Neither color is as bad as "Old Gold" which I've seen so different that I can actually tell which is which. As for the Coat of Arms, I'll help walk you through loading a new one if you have it, but that means that it can't be clawed back for Copyright issues, it means that Wikipedia (or anything that copies Wikipedia) can use it forever. Naraht (talk) 17:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The copyright issues are above my paygrade. I suspect we may not be able to update the Coat of Arms. No definition of "Old Gold?" I can see how there would be chaos. Axsigma50 (talk) 17:38, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * At least as of 2008, Alpha Chi Sigma was working on a Style guide, that might be most likely. Though the idea of Alpha Chi Sigma determining colors by specific emission wavelengths of specific chemicals is more reasonable that just about any other organization I know.Naraht (talk) 17:43, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Take a look at Category:Images of fraternity and sorority coats of arms for what else has been loaded. Note, it is entirely reasonable to have it setup so that it can *only* be used on the *one* article, Alpha Chi Sigma.Naraht (talk) 17:45, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Can't be displayed???
From Prussian blue "Like most high-chroma pigments, Prussian blue cannot be accurately displayed on a computer display." That would make this entire discussion sort of pointless. :)Naraht (talk) 17:53, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Chapter list update
@Naraht I updated the chapter list, but the format may need to be adjusted. Beta Kappa is officially a reactivation effort. I included a reference to the Fraternity webpage in the change notes. Axsigma50 (talk) 18:31, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * redid the format, moving the relationship with the other chapter to a note. Flows more cleanly, IMO.Naraht (talk) 18:51, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I appreciate the formatting help! Axsigma50 (talk) 18:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for updating the chapter lists today! Axsigma50 (talk) 15:52, 3 July 2024 (UTC)