User talk:Ayla/List of notable trance music records

Has no-one mentioned Mauro Piccoto 'Lizard' an absolute classic with several remixes - one of the most recognised anthems of the generation! Also I think David Lange deserves a mention for many tunes especially 'believe'.

Also what happened about a mention for the Space Brothers??

Please if anyone disagress with me that these mentioned haven't produce some of the best commercial tunes yet for the trance mass market??

I mean i could go on through many records in my room and i feel that there is a lot of tunes by virtually unknown artists that are worthy of a mention.

I do think Children is a classic tune but to be honest it wouldn't be the first record i would think of saving if may house caught fire - probably not even close. I think red jerry wizards of the sonic would have to be one of the first!!


 * "[Children] is widely considered one of the greatest trance songs of all time" - yeah someone is surely taking the piss with that comment. It sold a lot of copies.  But so did Bob the Builder. Bombot 16:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Not at all one of the greatest trance records - but it is considered one of the most influential among many trance circles. Early Q 20:25, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Genre defining tracks?!??
Here are a just a couple of tracks that I feel are given a just a little bit too much credit: "Vernon's Woderland by Vernon A huge hit back in the day, this track has become a cornerstone of trance music" According exactly to who? I don't know of any credibility to this song being "a cornerstone of Trance music" especially since I never heard of the artist or song.

Another shady example, "Children by Robert Miles A powerful dream trance/house hit that has received acclaim from critics both inside and outside trance. This is a song which has introduced many music lovers into the world of dream trance and is widely considered one of the greatest trance songs of all time." Come on now, this may be a notable track, but who actually considers this one of the "greatest trance songs of all time"?

''Maybe not greatest ever but certainly a milestone in "mainstream" trance as it helped to popularize the genre and afaik was THE tune which created the whole "epic trance" genre. Even if one blames Robert Miles for the pussification of trance this is nevertheless a notable genre-defining tune. --stardncer 05:22, 2 July 2006 (UTC)''

Some of the edits in the notable tracks part are seriously bad, for example "Cowgirl by Underworld The best known Detroit techno song on Earth. " okay???

''I took care of it. Being both a fan of Underworld and someone who lives in Detroit, Underworld falls under Trance more than it does Detroit Techno. -BT14 18:09 EDT 10 July 2006

This is extremely subjective and it seems someone just listed off a bunch off their favourites. I would consider trimming it completly down and leaving a few for each year or so(even thats being rather generous)- darude is mentioned twice, only sandstorm is easily reconizable outside of edm music, etc, etc...


 * Agreed. Darude's Sandstorm had certain originality which perhaps makes it a notable trance tune but his later production is hardly noteworthy in this context --stardncer 05:22, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * My immediate thoughts were similar on reading that list. Far too much use of the "widely regarded greatest trance" comments. Chicane's Saltwater was the one that puzzled me - amazing track yes, but not "widely regarded as one of the greatest trance singles ever". Needs trimming by a more experianced enthusiast who isn't so over-zealous. Early Q 20:29, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Classic tracks list
It needs to be seriously pruned..way too many songs on there. Back in the day this article had like 6 classics.

"Moby-Go" is just a cheap remix of Laura Palmer's theme, from Twin Peaks. It's no classic.

(Erm, it is a classic from the UK scene anyways. This was a very large tune, and the beats were converted into breaks for several classic pieces, including Acen's 'Close Your Eyes' amongst others. So I say it deserves a mention somewhere at least... debateable if it's trance, but it certainly has a degree of early trance flavour.)--Digest 16:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

(Never heard it as an "anthem" like "Age of love", "Cafe del mar", I think it should be removed)

Existing Lists
Here are two lists I've found after googling a bit:


 * http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_dance-tran.html


 * http://www.listology.com/content_show.cfm/content_id.11874

--83.146.62.97 03:15, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Another list for the sake of reference, although this one is extremely bloated and full of unnecessary tracks. Still worth a look-through for verification's sake.


 * http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=105807&perpage=15&pagenumber=14


 * --Ph00tbag 05:13, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Vote Dannii Off The Island
On the topic of which tracks are canonical examples of trance: Whilst we may disagree on which tracks should be in this list, surely most dance music fans can agree there is one track in there that definitely does not belong. I nearly had a heart attack when I saw a Dannii Minogue tune listed. I've heard that song and it sounds like all her other ordinary pop music.

Let's face it people - Trance is too cool for Dannii Minogue. You can argue about similar chord structures and beats and vocals all day long, but there is something about the content, and Dannii herself, that makes trance fans recoil. Sure it was popular, but it's not Trance. Putting a big beat behind some Minogue lyrics and calling it vocal trance is like putting lipstick on a pig. The Dannii Minogue reference should definitely be removed. Can I get some consensus on this? Indent some commentary here if you want. -- [mailto:ajmcrae_ExtractThis@gmail.com Andrew McRae] 202.63.48.69 14:53, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Danii Minogue's music, in particular the song included in the list of trance tracks, does not give a good impression to the listener of the genre as a whole. While this task is difficult, many other tracks can be substituted in its place which serve this purpose far better. I hope I speak for other trance fans when I say that this particular song is a bit of an embarassment, and it should be removed. Avery 15:16, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I've removed the track. I would appreciate whoever wants to include it again to comment below why this track is relevant to trance in particular and not dance in general.--Avg 21:23, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

(I think only the "Who do you love now" song, who was a trance one (Riva - "Stringer") before Dannii Minogue sings it. The others, no - no. ¿Relevant? Maybe not, only a massive hit.)

"Robert Miles - Children", I don't know if I'd say that it's a trance tune. Trance music is music for the underground (it started that way anyway), what "Children" did though was taking "trance" into the charts like no one had done it before. After "Children" people started listening to "trance" in a whole other perspective than people had before.

FSOL track genre-defining?
Are you guys sure the Future Sound of London track is genre-defining/-representing for Trance? they're quite the thing in the so called 'ambient drum n bass', isn't refering to them as defining trance abit of an outsider's view on trance

I would say that FSOL is genre defining for Electronica but not for Trance.
 * They don't make / have never made ambient drum & bass. The track you refer to was pioneering for many genres, Trance being one of them.--Digest 16:36, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The track, while not trance is notable in the history of trance for defining the 'trance atmosphere.' Most producers hope to acheive the same dark, spacy sound. That's why it's mentioned.--ph00tbag 05:27, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Tracks
We need better tracks, and more tracks, from recent years, like Ferry Corsten's Fire, and Armin's Yet another Day. Ones that define the genre. The Ronin 02:27, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I kinda agree with this. This article explains the history of trance music pretty well, but I don't recognize anything discussed here as the stuff I listen to and think of as trance music, the stuff that gets played on A State of Trance and is released by labels like Anjunabeats and Black Hole. Admittedly I don't know much about trance music history, but I'm concerned that someone reading this article wouldn't get an accurate impression of the genre as it exists today (or at least the part of it that I'm familiar with...). Anyone have any thoughts about this? CBRQ 02:16, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Classic trance to me includes acts like Jam & Spoon, Chicane, Ayla, Cosmic Baby, York, Salt Tank etc.

FSOL
Little further comment on the remark made about FSOL.

These guys were major pioneers of the dance scene in the early 1990s, with respect to the sublime quality put out by the early German trance guys, FSOL were the main guys from '88 to '94 who really streched what could, and what would be done.

The fact is their influence streched far beyond any one scene, for sure, but specifically in terms of the synth programming, creativity and melody, please explain any producer/s (and this includes Jam & Spoon et al) who were more influential for trance / progressive trance for years to come? The build, interludes, the programming, the flair. AND shit like their Mental Cube stuff WAS getting called Trance in 1989/1990, before the whole Euro trance thing had even taken off.

Er, if further 'breakdowns' (get the pun?) are needed - the use of rapid gates on melodies, drum programming (esp. on the 4 / 4 tracks), and on the aesthetic level - the emotional resonance achieved. Y'all should be paying these guys' pension by any rights!? (if Papua New Guniea isn't doing that already...)

Let's please not whitewash out some of the real pioneers of the musical & production attitudes / techniques, which have been borrowed (and admittedly perfected) by today's guys, eh?

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I really have some problems with the Notable Trance Records now. Apparently a small-town Dj decided to rattle off his pursuits, (No offense to him) and put it as a notable track for 2005. Apparently he's also not on the DJ list. I changed that, and I will change many more things. Tell me and immediately change anythign that doesn't seem correct. Wikipedia is NPOV, and we should keep it that way.

The Ronin 22:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

lol gotta love him for tryin (or maybe not) Digest

Tiesto's Adagio for Strings 2005 remake
Why didn't anybody mention Tiesto's Adagio for Strings 2005 remake. To be honest, in Europe, Tiësto is best known for his famous remix of the Delerium single Silence (featuring Sarah McLachlan) and for his interpretation of Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings. So, please, i think it deserves to be in the list of the Notable trance records.

Aaah,no, anon. Barber's awesome adagio was already remixed by William Orbit quite a while ago (clearly before your time!!! :P), about '98/99 or so. So, that would make Tiesto's vers. a remake of a remake.

List of notable trance records
I think this section is too long and just generally a bit poor, it reads like lots of people have stuck their own favourite tune in. It might be better if there was a limit of say 5 tunes for each year and then some kind of referencing to show that those chosen were generally accepted as being important or otherwise notable (charts, reviews etc.) Cxk271 09:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

This list is flawed in many aspects. Most of the post-2001 entries are completely irrelevant to the history or development of trance and really are just people's favourites. Furthmore, entries like 808 State, The FSOL and Moby (good as these tracks are) are pretty much irrelevant to the development of trance. You can have a thousand vaguely trancelike tracks which may have influenced trance from names like Orbital, William Orbit, Leftfield et al, but these are not genre tracks and ultimately they are not essential or helpful to this article. Finally, concerning the 1988 version of "What Time Is Love" by The KLF, it is a common misconception that the original had no true beats. This arose from the "1988 Pure Trance Original" version of the track circulated on later KLF singles. The original KLF mix of WTIL is identical to the Pure Trance Original version but it does have a solid 4/4 kickdrum. This version was played in many clubs and you can hear a shortened version in the video for the 1988 release of the track. On that basis it's pretty safe to say that WTIL was the original trance record as it was released under The KLF's incomplete "pure trance" series.