User talk:Aymatth2/Archive 1

RE: your message
Hello - I got your message on my talk page. Sorry I haven't responded yet, I've been a bit busy in real life. I hope to have some free time sometime in the next few days and will take a look into your request for assistance. Cheers! --AbsolutDan (talk) 01:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

September 2008
Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to Kangdi has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. J.delanoy gabs adds 19:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Kangdi
I thought I had undid my reversion, apparently not. You can do what you want, sorry for the confusion. J.delanoy gabs adds 19:46, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Goshta District
Thanks for your nice work on cleaning up and wikifying Goshta District. --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 08:45, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Raikut
Nice work. Bongomatic (talk) 22:04, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Generally, you're asking the wrong editor about how to avoid conflict. But from an editorial perspective, I would suggest incorporating as much of the additional information as can be considered potentially encyclopedic, fixing it up, and deleting the rest. Leave another note on User Raikut:Talk explaining what is and isn't encyclopedic with reference to the policies. That user is a single-purpose account and may view Wikipedia as a personal web site, and hence may not be terribly familiar with the philosophy. Good luck! Bongomatic (talk) 00:19, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Forgetting about it is a good option. But maybe worth giving one last try along with a note. Or not! Bongomatic (talk) 05:52, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam/LinkReports/harrysworldatlas.blogspot.com
Hi Aymatth2. No, you have nothing to be worried about. Those linkreports are simply representations of linkuse. Their existence itself does not mean a thing. But conclusions can be drawn from them. Apparently a user with a username that closely resembles the domainname of the blogspot added the link to quite some pages in May 2007. That user appeared to be 'spamming' this specific link, and it looks that the user has a conflict of interest (and hence was picked up by the bot). It does not mean that the link is intrinsically bad, it may very well be that it has legit use as well (as you describe in your post to me), but that there are concerns with how it was posted by this user. When the bots pick it up (as happened here), they regenerate that report after every addition of the link. When there are too many concerns with it, we may consider stronger measures (but that is here not the case).

I have whitelisted you on the bots, if the bots now save a report with your name, it will have a strikethrough (I have also given the command to regenerate this report). I hope this explains, happy editing! --Dirk Beetstra T C 18:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
I am very thankful that you had edited the raikut page. After going through i was satisfied. I have also uploaded some of the pictures that i had taken while visiting and if you have any suggestion i would be greatful. Dipendra Dev Raikut —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raikut (talk • contribs) 08:41, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Balmaclellan coords
The old " " showed up in Category:Coord template needing repair, because of the 60 seconds. I clicked through to look at a map, and saw that the pointer was a little off. Specifically, I used the Terrain map from ACME Mapper, which includes town names and little circles where somebody thinks the towns are. I centered the map on that and copied the coordinates. Neither Acme nor Google provide street-level detail, but if you've got something better, feel free to tweak it further. —WWoods (talk) 07:05, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion
I suggest you read up on sources in regards to wikipedia a lot more closely, as none of the references given are independent from the subject in the least, please see this list:


 * 1) http://www.wug.za.net South Africa Wireless User Groups
 * 2) http://www.mydrive.co.za/details.php?file=30 - Jawug Wifi presentation by Roelf Diedericks
 * 3) http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Wireless/1516.html - JAWUG asks for license exemption
 * 4) http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Wireless/4183.html - Free networks gain ground, MyADSL, South African Technology News website
 * 5) http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Telecoms/6180.html - Free networks grow, MyADSL, South African Technology News website
 * 6) http://daffy.za.net/too-far-north/2008/08/jawug-the-extended-version.html - Jawug promo video
 * 7) http://forums.prophecy.co.za/f4/wireless-johannesburg-hopefully-pta-soon-2656/

For the first, it's a south-african wireless group. Seeing as how the article subject it about a wireless group, this reference is not independent from the subject.

For the second source, again, not independent, and also, it's by the company which is the subject of this article. For the third, fourth, and fifth sources, it's a agency that deals specifically in telecom services. That is not independent from the source. The sixth source is a promo video, I shouldn't have to say anymore on that one. Finally, the seventh source fails to even meet WP:SOURCE, in that it is a forum. I shall be posting this as a comment in the AfD.—  Dæ dαlus Contribs  01:54, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think you're really listening to me. I idly wonder how long you've been here, or if you've bothered reading any of the policies I've linked, so let me state it as clear as I possibly can:


 * In order for an article to meet the inclusion criterion, as described by WP:N, the policies regarding article inclusion on wikipedia, it must have significant(more than one or two sources), reliable(it must not be a blog, or a forum, or wikipedia itself; for more info, read WP:RELIABLE), 3rd party(it must be a source that is not made by the company) sources(read: WP:SOURCE) that are independent from the subject(this means that the source can not be in regards to the subject. In order for a dog to be notable, there must be articles about said dog in publications which are not about dogs, such as, the LA Times.).


 * Lastly, please see WP:NOT to under stand what wikipedia is not. Wikipedia is not a free ad service, it is not a free hosting service, and it is not a soap box.  If someone wants an article on their company, or a company they work for, first, due to WP:COI, they should wait for someone else to write it.  Secondly, it must meet the inclusion criterion, as it has been described above.


 * I have no personal vendetta against this user. I follow policy, and if a new article does not meet policy, then it must be deleted.  Wikipedia is not some include everything place.  We have policies here, and if we just let everything stay just because some new editor made it..  well, quite simply, everything would go to hell.—  Dæ dαlus Contribs  06:36, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I'm afraid we have exactly same understanding of an independent source as I do, you just aren't correctly applying it here, and further, you just contradicted yourself. To quote:"I have a different understanding of 'independent'. An independent source is one that is not controlled or associated with the subject of the article, or otherwise likely to show bias."The sources listed for this subject are associated with it.  As said, all of the sources listed are associated with the subject of the article.  We have a magazine about wireless groups writing about a wireless group, a publication about internet and computing related matters reporting on a matter which it relates to, something like that again, but under a different name, and finally a promo video, and some forums, which of course definitely do not meet WP:N.  The fact is that none of the sources listed for this article can establish notability for the subject, and therefore the article is subject to deletion per policy.—  Dæ dαlus Contribs  00:29, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

New pages
I just went on new page "patrol" and I saw Wireless User Group. See the article I just made: Wireless users groups. Yikes! :) What do you think? ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:14, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well in fairness to wuggers, your article is about the topic generally and mine is more a list of the groups themselves. So, I'm going with we're both right. I was hoping to kind of keep some of the user group information already created (I basically just stuck an intro (that may or may not be accurate) on a move of the prodded article. Anyway, since I used the plural form, does that mean I passed the Wug test? I was pretty sure I was at fault, but after reading extensively about Wugs (not an easy slog...), it seems that as we get older we pluralize... so???? Anyway, I think it's nice that we both made the effort around the same time. Our two different approaches would no doubt provide interesting study for a gaggle of social scientists.ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:43, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... Now I just saw that WUG is an acronym for wireless user group. My head is spinning. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:47, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Your suggestion is a good one, but after making me read about the Wug test, I was REALLY hoping that you'd somehow merge both articles and take them on with my full and total support! Wugs united can never be divided?ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:56, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * GoodnightChildofMidnight (talk) 05:01, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, what wonderful work whipping wimpy whisps with wherewithal into winning Wikipeida WUG wonders. Wow! ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:52, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I take it you weren't impressed with my weird and wily wording above? You did a great job. Both articles will sail through AfD. I do have a question: are these WUGs for telecom use or wireless internet? Both? It's not entirely clear especially in the WUG article. I think your expertise on the subject may have allowed you to assume too much from the reader, as the intro could explain a bit more about what a wireless user group is, what it does and why it's needed (context). I would fix it, but I don't know much about these organizations, I just recognized that they seemed signifant enough to warrant articles. But otherwise you did awesome. You deserve a barnstar, but instead you just get my bad jokes! ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:15, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for catching my slip up. Your explanation was very interesting. So, picking one of the WUGs for an example why do they do it? What is the motivation? What are they using it for? What are they communicating about? (And I also think these questions need to be answered better in teh articles). And your response suggests that it is in fact a way to access the internet, no? If they can only communicate within their group what's the "big deal"? Also, if they have a connection I would think they would use it for internet AND for cheap phone service. Right? Aren't these the main benefits or am I missing something? I don't even know what Bluetooth is, so you're dealing with a true noob. I'm accessing the internet via telegram. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:44, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to explain. Sure beats morse code... ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:33, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Great job!
Wow! You are a heavy duty editor. Very impressive work. Great job. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:23, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a terrific and informative article with interesting and helpful illustrations. I'm very impressed and especially thankful I didn't have to much my way through attempting to cover a subject I don't understand. Thanks to your explanations and the articles I am more informed, as others will be. And for that I am thankful to you. Keep up the good work and make sure to enjoy yourself. You deserve it. Roger, roger, over and out.ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:51, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm kind of glad the article got taken to AfD. More people get to see the outstanding results of your efforts. It's a super article, very interesting. The AfD is an affirmation confirming what a good article you created and I thank you for taking it on and running with it. I've been busy fighting over kishka (food), and given my knowledge base on the subject, who knows what my version of South African WUGs would have looked like or been about. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:24, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you going to submit a hook from it to DYK? ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:25, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, nice job indeed, Don't the OLPC machines make use of this as one of their networking systems? I seem to recall it was one of their features. DGG (talk) 21:11, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

You are also diplomatic in challenging circumstances. I salute you. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:05, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Wireless Groups
It actually does meet WP:N, at least in terms of companies and organizations. :/ Sorry about that, so my bad. :) It is turning out to be a great article, however.—  Dæ dαlus Contribs  03:49, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Hot Dog Day
I took a shot at expanding Hot dog day. If you feel inspired, please edit and add to it. But deleting Hot Dog Day would be like deleting Motherhood and Apple Pie. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:13, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL, I wouldn't go that far! But I believe it does deserve at least a Weenie of a paragraph :-). In fact take a look at the article labeled hot dog.  It may even give more ideas to expand upon on the article.  In the mean tie I'll stop over and see if I can add anything.  Happy Holidays. ShoesssS Talk 16:37, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I have been searching like a dog for a creditable reference about National Hot Dog Day. I can site everything from the New York Times to local news articles talking about it, but I cannot find anything official concerning the establishment of “National Hot Dog Day”.  Will keep looking, I’ll turn over every bun, and let you know :- ShoesssS Talk 15:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Haggis
Hi Aymatth2,

I found your Hill People article by typing "Ode to a haggis" into Wikipedia Search - I wanted to find its words. The link there gave me the Burns supper article where it uses "Address to a Haggis" and I thought "Yes, that's right. It's an Address not an Ode", Burns suppers being the only place I have come into contact with it. Using Google to investigate gave me enough websites to feel I should change it for consistency (the number is 11,000 for Address and to 1,740 for "Ode"). Looking round again, I think that neither word appears in its original title: it is simply "To a Haggis". http://www.robertburns.org/inenglish/extracts.shtml#toahaggis

Perhaps that bit of text should read "Robert Burns in his poem To a Haggis". I think it's probably best to leave Burns supper as it is in case an army of claymore-waving Scots appears – 200 years of Burns suppers has probably made the Address bit semi–official in that context. These are only weakly-held lay opinions, by the way – I know nothing about Burns's poetry.

As to whether the article should be there at all, I must admit that that thought did cross my mind. But since you've put the work into writing it, why not wait for someone else to propose it for deletion and then not argue too hard against it? (This too is only a weakly-held lay opinion – I know almost nothing about Wikipedia's quality control either).

Personally, I'm happy to go along with whatever you decide on both issues. Dinoceras (talk) 15:41, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Comment
"Don't try any funny stuff..." or is it "Don't try anything funny" ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:24, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Late Bloomer
Well, this wasn't so much my opinion as it was Artw's. My opinion was that this entry seems to be little more than a dictionary definition with a list of examples -- something that, in my mind, is not that much different from a trivia section. However, I agreed with Artw's assertion of the article at the time he made the assertion -- I remember that, when it came up for AFD nomination, the page had gone through some recent edits that significantly degraded at the quality of the article -- the main one being that someone removed pretty much all the formatting from the page.

Hope this helps. :-) Mikaey (talk) 03:24, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

FOLLOWUP -- I guess that I'd support the prospect of soft redirecting the article over to Wiktionary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikaey (talk • contribs) 03:25, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Retrieved
It's a silly story:-

I found that I had mis-spelt retrieved, "ei", three times in an article I had written (One initial mistake, copied & pasted)

I am rather pedantic, so was a bit shamefaced, and set myself a "penance" (nothing like a bit of masochism) of correcting all the "ei" versions in Wikipedia articles (Talk and User pages would take far too long)

I started with nearly 100 and have about 5 left - the number is vague as they keep being added.

Once I've got them down to zero, I'll stop (I'm not that much of a masochist).

Arjayay (talk) 17:35, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Open invitation
Hi, please check User talk:Arilang1234  Arilang  talk  22:25, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Latin Americans in the United Kingdom merger
Hi. Just to let you know that I moved your comment at Talk:Latin Americans in the United Kingdom to the right section of the page because you made it in a section about a previous merger proposal. You might just want to take a look at it to make sure you agree with my rationale for the merger. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:16, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Woodward effect retrived
Thanks for your note about the Woodward effect, I'm not sure this is just a Southern California phenomena as we have Science Fiction writers over here too. I'm looking forward to the first story featuring a ship with a neo-Woodward drive powered by ultracold fusion. PS by spooky coincidence I came across the article whilst trawling for retrive, which turned out to be even more common than retreive errors.  Were Spiel Chequers  10:14, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Bugger
Not sure what to say. The article is a piece of junk; it's actually worse now than it was when I nominated it, but I'll be darned if I can get any dictionary article deleted on this wiki. Powers T 15:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Most of the ones that fail are of a similar character. Articles for deletion/Fart, Articles for deletion/Faggot (slang), etc.  Powers T 16:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Literature
Aymatth2, I'm curious about some of the books you've read recently and some of your favorites of all time, if you'd like to offer them up? It's been a while since I've read aynthing great. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:56, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * That is an impossible question to answer. Second-hand books are best, unless they have been heavily underlined. They smell better, cost less and there is no concern about dog-earing the pages, which is necessary when you find you are reading several books at the same time.


 * 1984 or anything else by George Orwell. The Loved One, Scoop or any other book by Evelyn Waugh. Jean Rhys After Leaving Mr Mackenzie, or anything by her. Wide Sargasso Sea is extraordinary. Anything by Rumer Godden but particularly An Episode of Sparrows or Kingfishers Catch Fire. The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire takes a while to pick up the rhythm, but after that is basically hilarious - really. All history books, particularly 1066 and All That. All biographies. All books by my favorite authors. Almost all the fat best-selling books you pick up at airports because you are going to have a few hours to pass, like Alan Greenspan's The Age of Turbulence published just before but read during the current crisis. Or Jeffry Frieden's Global Capitalism, or Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs, and Steel - although it could be edited down to half the length. Children's picture books with very complicated pictures and good solid doggerel. I occasionally re-read The Wind in the Willows. Rudyard Kipling's Kim is interesting, if a bit dated. archy and mehitabel. Anything by V.S Naipaul, Eric Ambler, Graham Greene, Ian Fleming, Paul Theroux, particularly Picture Palace, O-Zone, Mosquito Coast, C. P. Snow, Tony Hillerman, Simenon, Daniel Defoe, George MacDonald Fraser, Winston Churchill, Antonia Fraser's non-fiction, William H. Prescott, Desmond Seward, Raymond Chandler, John Wyndham, Jim Thompson, Margaret Atwood, John le Carré, ...


 * This is an impossible question. What was your best meal? I remember a little Goan place in Lisbon, Los Arcos I think, that had wonderful chickpea dumplings. A place called "Popeyes", a white-tile ice-cream and pizza place in Uruguay that served the best mussels steamed with parsley I will ever eat. Assam Laksa in a cafe in Kuala Lumpur, which instead of being spicy coconut chicken and noodles like Curry Laksa, which I love, turned out to be an extremely sour but very tasty fish soup. Moules Marinieres in Lancieux, Brittany when I was a child - delicious and agonizing because it took so very long to serve a meal plate by plate, while the tide was going out and the sun setting. Churrasco in Porky's in Rio, mainly because of the company. Grilled cactus with Chile sauce... Favorite piece of music? Stretch of river? Sunset? Tree?


 * This is a really impossible question. Aymatth2 (talk) 04:57, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the list. I am pondering and considering it. Glaring oversights are the omission of works by Shel Silverstein, Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Salman Rushdie, Joseph Conrad, Jack London, Tim Robbins and John Steinbeck. :) My favorite tree is the palm (can I choose by genus or do I need to provide a species?), I'm partial to the Hudson river, and the sunrise when I was sailing between the volcanic islands of Bali and Lombok was fairly awesome, but I can't pick out a particular favorite sunset. The entry into darkness can be beautiful, but always seems to induce forgetting. Choosing a favorite song is difficult, but for today I'll take Bjork's performance of Birthday with the Sugarcubes. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:12, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You have to pick an individual tree that you like or liked better than all the other trees you have ever seen - not a genus or species like "apple" or "orange", but an individual tree. Then pick the second best one, and so on. Could take time.


 * Heroditus (the father of lies) is very entertaining, also Suetonius. Benvenuto Cellini, Casanova, Voltaire, Henry Fielding, Len Deighton, Beatrix Potter, Alan Moorehead, the Inspector Ghote series, Arthur Conan Doyle, Liddell Hart, H. G. Wells and of course Henry Watson Fowler. No more! Now I'm looking at the author articles and finding great books with only stub entries. This could take forever to clean up. Aaaghhh! Aymatth2 (talk) 19:21, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

My favorite tree is most certainly the yew tree with all its branches for climbing in the backyard where I grew up. The dogwood with its blossoms and red berries would be second. Then the white pines, but I think of them as a group. And the blue atlas cedar was nice too. The Giving Tree is a nice book. I mentioned that author. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:25, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * See Br'er Rabbit. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Speaking of Rabbits I see John Updike just passed away. Have you read any of his work? And what about Watership Down?ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

ReBella...
I think Bella will be all right. She is just a teenager now, but she will mature and will get more serious. Life is full of exiting things one have to jump on and drool over :). Dogs mature when they are 2 years or more. But I think she will need that training These dogs need to feel that they have a task. That they are doing something important. Swiming is obviously a thing she wants to do. Belle will probably be a god water rescue dog if she gets some more training-

To carry out a float with a line attached, that is only a matter of getting used to it.

Pulling a toboggan with a four-year old in it is also a god thing, she neds to feel that she can work or do something. Or carrying a bag on her back, when shopping or something like that. You can surelly find the right equipment in a pet-shop. But you shoudn’t let her drive your car! :)

I love John le Carré. Have you read Virginia Wolf Orlando??

Warrington (talk) 22:33, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

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I have never read Orlando, but saw the movie. I found it visually interesting, but rather inconclusive. Perhaps it was accurate to the book. I should read the book and then decide. But I am bit afraid of Virginia Wolf.

Having done my "book list" I immediately realized I had left out ones like The Tin Drum, Lord of the Flies, Cider with Rosie, Junkie, Catcher in the Rye, To Kill a Mockingbird, All Quiet on the Western Front, The Midnight Folk, Mother Goose, In Cold Blood, The Romany Rye, and many more. There is just no way to make a comprehensive list of "favorite" books. It depends entirely on your mood at the time. But the best movie of all time is Strictly Ballroom - I will not change my views on that. Or maybe Ran or Dersu Uzala. I suppose Gone with the Wind was not bad. Or ...

Belle will be all right - no question. We have her signed up for a carting course in May. She will grow and learn. Her main fault is being too outgoing and friendly. Not a very serious fault.

Nice car. In fact, I am buggered if I can think of a nicer one. Aymatth2 (talk) 02:39, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Don’t be afraid of Virginia Wolf. If you were not affraid The Tin Drum, Lord of the Flies and All Quiet on the Western Front... The movie was nothing special, this is a book for reading, it is about words and feelings.

Orlando: Tree and sunset:

''He was careful to avoid meeting anyone. There was Stubbs, the gardener, coming along the path. He hid behind a tree till he had passed. He let himself out at a little gate in the garden wall. He skirted all stables, kennels, breweries, carpenters’ shops, washhouses, places where they make tallow candles, kill oxen, forge horse–shoes, stitch jerkins—for the house was a town ringing with men at work at their various crafts—and gained the ferny path leading uphill through the park unseen. There is perhaps a kinship among qualities; one draws another along with it; and the biographer should here call attention to the fact that this clumsiness is often mated with a love of solitude. Having stumbled over a chest, Orlando naturally loved solitary places, vast views, and to feel himself for ever and ever and ever alone.

''So, after a long silence, ‘I am alone’, he breathed at last, opening his lips for the first time in this record. He had walked very quickly uphill through ferns and hawthorn bushes, startling deer and wild birds, to a place crowned by a single oak tree. It was very high, so high indeed that nineteen English counties could be seen beneath; and on clear days thirty or perhaps forty, if the weather was very fine. Sometimes one could see the English Channel, wave reiterating upon wave. Rivers could be seen and pleasure boats gliding on them; and galleons setting out to sea; and armadas with puffs of smoke from which came the dull thud of cannon firing; and forts on the coast; and castles among the meadows; and here a watch tower; and there a fortress; and again some vast mansion like that of Orlando’s father, massed like a town in the valley circled by walls. To the east there were the spires of London and the smoke of the city; and perhaps on the very sky line, when the wind was in the right quarter, the craggy top and serrated edges of Snowdon herself showed mountainous among the clouds. For a moment Orlando stood counting, gazing, recognizing. That was his father’s house; that his uncle’s. His aunt owned those three great turrets among the trees there. The heath was theirs and the forest; the pheasant and the deer, the fox, the badger, and the butterfly.'' ''He sighed profoundly, and flung himself—there was a passion in his movements which deserves the word—on the earth at the foot of the oak tree. He loved, beneath all this summer transiency, to feel the earth’s spine beneath him; for such he took the hard root of the oak tree to be; or, for image followed image, it was the back of a great horse that he was riding, or the deck of a tumbling ship—it was anything indeed, so long as it was hard, for he felt the need of something which he could attach his floating heart to; the heart that tugged at his side; the heart that seemed filled with spiced and amorous gales every evening about this time when he walked out. To the oak tree he tied it and as he lay there, gradually the flutter in and about him stilled itself; the little leaves hung, the deer stopped; the pale summer clouds stayed; his limbs grew heavy on the ground; and he lay so still that by degrees the deer stepped nearer and the rooks wheeled round him and the swallows dipped and circled and the dragonflies shot past, as if all the fertility and amorous activity of a summer’s evening were woven web–like about his body. ''After an hour or so—the sun was rapidly sinking, the white clouds had turned red, the hills were violet, the woods purple, the valleys black—a trumpet sounded. Orlando leapt to his feet. The shrill sound came from the valley. It came from a dark spot down there; a spot compact and mapped out; a maze; a town, yet girt about with walls; it came from the heart of his own great house in the valley, which, dark before, even as he looked and the single trumpet duplicated and reduplicated itself with other shriller sounds, lost its darkness and became pierced with lights. Some were small hurrying lights, as if servants dashed along corridors to answer summonses; others were high and lustrous lights, as if they burnt in empty banqueting–halls made ready to receive guests who had not come; and others dipped and waved and sank and rose, as if held in the hands of troops of serving men, bending, kneeling, rising, receiving, guarding, and escorting with all dignity indoors a great Princess alighting from her chariot.

Winter:

''The Great Frost was, historians tell us, the most severe that has ever visited these islands. Birds froze in mid–air and fell like stones to the ground. At Norwich a young countrywoman started to cross the road in her usual robust health and was seen by the onlookers to turn visibly to powder and be blown in a puff of dust over the roofs as the icy blast struck her at the street corner. ... The severity of the frost was so extraordinary that a kind of petrifaction sometimes ensued; and it was commonly supposed that the great increase of rocks in some parts of Derbyshire was due to no eruption, for there was none, but to the solidification of unfortunate wayfarers who had been turned literally to stone where they stood. The Church could give little help in the matter, and though some landowners had these relics blessed, the most part preferred to use them either as landmarks, scratching–posts for sheep, or, when the form of the stone allowed, drinking troughs for cattle, which purposes they serve, admirably for the most part, to this day.

''But while the country people suffered the extremity of want, and the trade of the country was at a standstill, London enjoyed a carnival of the utmost brilliancy. The Court was at Greenwich, and the new King seized the opportunity that his coronation gave him to curry favour with the citizens. He directed that the river, which was frozen to a depth of twenty feet and more for six or seven miles on either side, should be swept, decorated and given all the semblance of a park or pleasure ground, with arbours, mazes, alleys, drinking booths, etc. at his expense. For himself and the courtiers, he reserved a certain space immediately opposite the Palace gates; which, railed off from the public only by a silken rope, became at once the centre of the most brilliant society in England. Great statesmen, in their beards and ruffs, despatched affairs of state under the crimson awning of the Royal Pagoda. Soldiers planned the conquest of the Moor and the downfall of the Turk in striped arbours surmounted by plumes of ostrich feathers. Admirals strode up and down the narrow pathways, glass in hand, sweeping the horizon and telling stories of the north–west passage and the Spanish Armada. Lovers dallied upon divans spread with sables. Frozen roses fell in showers when the Queen and her ladies walked abroad. Coloured balloons hovered motionless in the air. Here and there burnt vast bonfires of cedar and oak wood, lavishly salted, so that the flames were of green, orange, and purple fire. But however fiercely they burnt, the heat was not enough to melt the ice which, though of singular transparency, was yet of the hardness of steel. So clear indeed was it that there could be seen, congealed at a depth of several feet, here a porpoise, there a flounder. Shoals of eels lay motionless in a trance, but whether their state was one of death or merely of suspended animation which the warmth would revive puzzled the philosophers. Near London Bridge, where the river had frozen to a depth of some twenty fathoms, a wrecked wherry boat was plainly visible, lying on the bed of the river where it had sunk last autumn, overladen with apples. The old bumboat woman, who was carrying her fruit to market on the Surrey side, sat there in her plaids and farthingales with her lap full of apples, for all the world as if she were about to serve a customer, though a certain blueness about the lips hinted the truth. ‘Twas a sight King James specially liked to look upon, and he would bring a troupe of courtiers to gaze with him. In short, nothing could exceed the brilliancy and gaiety of the scene by day. But it was at night that the carnival was at its merriest. For the frost continued unbroken; the nights were of perfect stillness; the moon and stars blazed with the hard fixity of diamonds, and to the fine music of flute and trumpet the courtiers danced.

Warrington (talk) 10:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

User:Arilang1234/Sandbox/ Hua-Yi zhi bian(temporary name)
User:Arilang1234/Sandbox/ Hua-Yi zhi bian(temporary name)

Please provide content:lead section and the rest.  Arilang  talk  02:35, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Please have a look
Hua-Yi zhi bian and the Unification of All under Heaven, may be should go through another AfD tag?  Arilang  talk  01:45, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Redwater Health Center
I have added quite a bit to the article please tell me what you think. Kyle1278 (talk) 21:56, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. Kyle1278 (talk) 22:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be quite a challenge and i though finding information on and hospital in Alberta was hard imagine Bhutan, but with enough persistence i think anyone can. Thank you for you kind words. Kyle1278 (talk) 02:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The article is very well written its amazing that with the millions of article on Wikipedia that there would not be one about that. Kyle1278 (talk) 21:40, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Stele
I disapprove of using Wikipedia to smooth away complaints which are properly levied against the English language; change English, if you can, and WP must follow. I therefore hold that there are no good essays on the subject.

I have no particular objection to calling any or all of the present churches, now in schism from each other, the Church of the East, nor of calling the present believers in them the Assyrian people. But when referring to the ninth, rather than the nineteenth century, the latter is an anachronism, and the former an unclarity.

To offer a parallel which may have less emotional overtones: Isaac Newton, Michael Servetus, Eusebius of Nicomedia were all Arians; on the other hand, all three would have held that they were upholding the original and orthodox doctrine. But we should be clear; being politically correct at the expense of clarity is no service to the reader, whose interests are paramount. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 02:11, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * In short, you are attempting to impose a modern, politically correct, usage on a ninth-century topic you do not understand, in place of the traditional name which is based on a classification of Christian heresies which you also do not understand.


 * Wikipedia is not censored for the sensitive, any more than it is for the prudish. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:49, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Whereas Wikipedia prefers to communicate with our readers by using the name they will find in the literature. Some editors would rather make this a polemical battleground, but that is contrary to policy. However, that is one reason that Wikipedia is not a reliable source, perhaps even less for usage than for content. There are several very useful books on the Nestorian expansion; read them, not our articles.     Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

You are editing a subject, which has two millennia of controversy; you do not recognize the simplest and most obvious tokens in that controversy; and you are doing so out of inchoate sympathy for some of the many victims of the Iraq disaster. That is an excellent basis for a political pamphlet; it is an abominable basis for an encyclopedia. Read first, understand, then write;  keep your POV (however laudable and humanitarian) to yourself, or to a blog elsewhere. If you cannot be bothered to do this, please find another subject. Septentrionalis PMAnderson

Hua-Yi zhi bian and the Unification of All under Heaven
Hi Aymatth2! If you have time and if you're interested, could you take a look at the above article? It has made lots of progress since an earlier version of it was deleted and since you last looked at it. Your advice would be welcome on how to improve it further, and maybe on how to rename it, because the current title appears a little bulky. Cheers, Madalibi (talk) 10:51, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Re:Orlando
I wonered if you don't care for me any more... :) Actually, I think you will like Orlando (looking throug the list of your favorite books. Warrington (talk) 20:13, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Stele Move
It was an interesting discussion to have, even if the article wasn't moved. I'm glad you brought it up. It seems like the real question is, what is the correct name for the early Christian church that spread through Central and East Asia? While I'm suspicious about the term "Assyrian Chrisitian Church", since there are obviously some modern-day connotations which may not match up with the historical situation 1,200 years ago, there are a number of scholars who don't agree with the term "Nestorian", prefering to use the term "Church of the East". It seems like this disucssion in the academic literature has only been happening for a short time, so I image that later on more material will become available. I'm pretty swamped right now, but hopefully when more time becomes available I can take a closer look at the resources I found while dealing with the "Assyrian Christian Stele" AFD, and add more info to all related articles. Thanks again. Otebig (talk) 15:27, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Captive orcas
Nice job with the captive orcas article! I nominated it for DYK. Rlendog (talk) 23:35, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Kupuaina
For some reason I thought this might interest you. Don't ask me why. Aren't you in Kerala or somewhere like that? How is it over there? I'm ready to move. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I have seen your work with the Orcas. My understanding is that they are known to kill their trainers every now and then, so be careful. I'm not much of a zoo fan, except for Zoo York and Zoopedia. As you mentioned a Newfie, perhaps you have expertise you can share to substantiate my buddy Kelapstick's claim that Dutch oven (prank) is referred to up Nort as a Newfie gas chamber. I suppose a reliable source may be difficult to find... Maybe I should stick to literature/ children's books. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:14, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Funny. Thanks for looking into the subject for me. I'm glad it's getting a full airing. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

An honor and a pleasure
Just wanted to drop a Thank you note. Your post really made me smile, and helped me turn a corner. Not sure how you knew I was an animal lover, but I think I'll keep the lovable beast ;). I honestly appreciate you takin the time! — Ched (talk) 13:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * OH - and one of the best user pages I've seen yet! — Ched (talk) 13:40, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Nice and snowy
talk page... And what about this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bugger_(2nd_nomination) ?

I knew it would happen again... (Ok, saved)

Warrington (talk) 21:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Google Earth maps for Inner Terai?
Hi Aymatth2,

I did some minor editing in the Inner Terai article I think you started, especially Dang-Deukhuri.

I like your idea of linking each inner terai valley to the best possible map resource but I'm mostly a newbie about online geography resources and keep finding something better. For a while "it" was WikiMapia, then I downloaded Google Earth and started playing around with that. About the same imagery in both resources, but G-E has 3-D and even a 4th dimension (going back in time to earlier imagery). Maybe there's something even better than G-E somewhere out in cyberspace. I'm still pretty newbie.

Anyhow, I'm tempted to link to G-E to show people what these valleys look like in 3-D. Supposedly there is some way to run Google Earth through a browser without assuming everyone has downloaded it.

Wondered what you thought about this.

I've been looking for Wikipedia guidelines for using G-E but no luck so far. Cheers,--LADave (talk) 22:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Update on above after reading your response in my talk page. Thanks for pointing out that you can launch various mapping resources by scrolling down and clicking on links. Although I clicked on the "blue marble" icon before, it wasn't intuitively obvious how to go to a useful map and I didn't go further until you pointed this out. Making this more intuitive is something to be addressed at the geocoding project level. I don't suppose there's much to be done at the article level.

I clicked on some sketch maps. Very nice!

I took the liberty of massaging the geocoding by recentering and changing the scale to look right in Google Earth. It seemed to me that the biggest valleys were too zoomed in too close whereas the small ones were too zoomed out. For example the Dang-Deukhuri satellite view was centered on Dang and left out most of Deukhuri. Chitwan was also zoomed in too close. I'm less familiar with the other four valleys. Hopefully others will jump in and correct any errors.

Off to the lower right is an alternative way to do district maps that perhaps locates them more clearly within Nepal as a whole. Wish I knew how to make the empty infoboxes go away, but I don't yet.



I did some futzing around with the text. Expanded some on the plight of the Tharu in Dang-Deukhuri, then decided it pretty much applied to the rest of the Inner Terai so moved it higher up in the article.

Cheers, --LADave (talk) 23:07, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Birim River
Oh, I am sorry. I was checking the Birim River and it was empty, that's why I moved it. -- Darwinek (talk) 13:56, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Koljunak
FallingRain is based on the GEOnet Names Server. I think I have already created all the articles for places in Armenia and in Azerbaijan that are there. There was a bot that was ready to go to get all the rest of the world, but WikiDrama has put it on hold. Actually, it was Azeri-Armenian drama that started it off, as people one side of the dispute didn't much care for place articles for the places on the other side, complete with an attempt to delete a village in Azerbaijan that had sources from both the US and the USSR, and some WP:ANI drama as well. Silly, really. But editors are now focusing on Nepal, Burkina Faso, and some places that don't generate WikiDrama. You can ask User:Fritzpoll whose bot was approved; but one of the objections to a bot which I have is that there are many names that are the same in many countries and the bot has problems doing disambiguation when there are two Foo, Foolands, especially when the data on which administrative division each Foo belongs to. I still hope you can find something about Koljunak - for what it's worth, the formation does not look either Azeri or Turkish, as the letter "j" makes a "zh" sound and it just seems that Koljunak is asking for "j" to be pronounced as "y" in "you". Another thought, have you checked Russian sources? with the "j" either as "Й" or "Ж". Carlossuarez46 (talk) 05:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


 * When I was creating the Armenian and Azerbaijani place names, the extent of duplication was enormous. Looking at Category:Disambig-Class Azerbaijan articles, there are 651 of them, nearly all for geographic place names, nearly all created by me (blush), for the 4,697 Category:Stub-Class Azerbaijan articles, again the vast majority for geographic place names and again mostly created by me (blush again). So we have about a 15% duplication - and some are duplicated in the same rayon, and even (argh) the same municipality. Having a bot chase that down, with only 1 set of data to work from is putting a lot of trust in the bot's programming. Some of these had to have 2 or 3 or more sources to find out what's going on, and to give a little context, like population numbers, whether or not the place has municipal status, etc., whether it has been renamed (as many places in both Armenia and Azerbaijan have - to/from Turkish to/from Armenian to/from Russian to/from named for some Soviet bigwig to/from new spelling or transliteration conventions in both countries, and on and on. But for straight-forward places like Ghana, etc., it would probably work. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 15:23, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Slothiness
No more sloth? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:12, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well in that case I will think of you as a protective dragon.

Re: Thank You Again
Why thank you! :) I have a little secret, though. Here. :) I go through the list just about every day. --User:Woohookitty Diamming fool! 04:17, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL! It is interesting what the bad ones tend to be. Nationalities are the biggies, as you can see from my list. English, American, British and German are consistently the worst. But then you have odd balls like ABC that don't make a whole lot of sense. I tend to pick on them through the Pages in need of attention list. I then follow them for a few days and if I'm seeing 5-10 links every day to the disam page, I add it to my list. Halifax and Halifax, Nova Scotia are the latest. --User:Woohookitty Diamming fool! 04:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

List of active autonomist/secessionist movements
I apologize for the reversion of the Azeri side of the material; it seems I was a little clumsy. I simply undid your whole edit and forgot it was about the Azeris in Iran as well. Feel free to redo that part of your edit. Yalens (talk) 15:09, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * mmm... if you don't mind, could I also ask your help with something? I always have to keep readding "Manchuria" to the list, people keep deleting it. Supposedly, they delete it for "original research" and lack of sources, but I think this website: can be interpreted as an active movement. They have a flag, an emperor, a cabinet, a passport, a source for donations, a national anthem, national languages, and etc (though, don't get me wrong, I think the concept that the Manchus, who now only constituted less than 10% of the population of their homeland could get independence is bordering on absurd). They even have a blog, elections, and have time-to-time events and parades and etc. I don't understand why people always attack me for considering that an independence movement (heck, they even made a whole document recognizing Kosovo...). The article I wrote was deleted. If I remake it, will you help me edit it to clear up confusion, or support me, or at least give me advice?

Thanks...Yalens (talk) 15:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

That's supposedly about Hong Kong- Manchu relations, but its in Chinese, and I can't read Chinese script, so...
 * Well, there are a ton of other sites which link to that one... for example: http://hk.geocities.com/hkmck/hkmck.htm.

The Japan Anti-China society, which I suspect is some sort of racist thing, is also affiliated... http://green.ap.teacup.com/boukyou/.

Also in... annoying characters.

And there's the Qing Restoration Organization, which is an NGO working to re-establish monarchy (I find this quite humorous), website here: http://sites.google.com/site/monarchyrevival/Home. And it supports Manchurian independence (provided they have a monarchy as gov't, of course...). I have to say again, that site cracks me up... heh.

I think the main problem is that there probably are more sites out there, but they aren't in English, so searching for them gets you nowhereYalens (talk) 16:05, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

A deletion review discussion you may wish to contribute to.
Hi. I've listed two deleted articles at Deletion_review, following the discussion on "lists of unusual things" which took place earlier in the year. As a contributor to that discussion, you might be interested in expressing an opinion on whether the two deleted articles should be restored. SP-KP (talk) 15:40, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Autonomist and secessionist movements
Hello and thanks for the comment. I agree with your comments about this page, which is I think a potentially quite significant resource, and is substantially weakened by the sheer volume of disinformation. There is a real problem, though, as to just where to draw the line on groups to be included. The one-person websites obviously don't count and should be excluded. But a little above this there are the small groups which do seem to exist and to carry out some activities. Cornish nationalists are an example; Alberta separatists are another. It's very difficult, in a lot of these cases, to establish satisfactorily whether a supposed movement is a hoax or not; I recently edited one page which had previously been listed; it seems to me to be an obvious hoax but another editor told me |this was vandalism. The solution in part might be to re-cast the entire page as a table that included a column giving the external citation; but the labour would be enormous. I'm inclined to think that constant pruning by hand, as you and I and some others have been doing, is the only solution... but it seems a labour of Sisyphus! Cheers, ariwara (talk) 11:20, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have any opinion about the new title for the Venetism article. I still think that Venetism is the more correct title (from Italian/Venetian Venetismo), but almost everything (i.e.: Venetian autonomism) would be better than the current Veneto nationalism. We are discussing just about this in the talk. --Checco (talk) 13:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Please take a look to the RfC discussion over renaming Veneto nationalism to something else... --Checco (talk) 15:41, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, no problem. In the meantime tell us your opinion about the RfC on article name at Talk:Veneto nationalism e take a look to that discussion once in a while, if you want. I appreciated all your work on Southern Italy autonomist movements: the article is definitely taking shape, even it is a little bit original because it puts together issues that have been rareley connected. It is anyway a great work and, when I have time, I would like to edit a little bit it, especially the structure of the article and the section about parties and associations. It would be anyway useful to "advertise" the article so that other user can help you and us in improving it... --Checco (talk) 05:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of fruits that cannot legally be carried on certain public transport systems
I have nominated List of fruits that cannot legally be carried on certain public transport systems, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/List of fruits that cannot legally be carried on certain public transport systems. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  01:37, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. What happened to that article? It at least deserves a full 7 day hearing at AfD. I'm so sad now. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:54, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Consortium of Bangsamoro Civil Society page
Thank you for the heads up and the tips to improve the CBCS page. I appreciate it very much. We very much are pretty sure that it is not our intent to advertise the organization. And we are very keen at improving the article to make it look more like an encyclopedic entry. We will take note of your advise and work on it soonest. However, we would like to ask you for more clarification on the content of the article. Which parts of it give you (or any reader) the impression that it is either a propaganda article or an article intended for advertisement. We will outrightly delete these portions so that the page will comply to wikipedia standards. Thank you for your time. (Ahpangcoga (talk) 05:15, 20 April 2009 (UTC))

I saw the revisions made by System787 and he/she had made revisons to the article that are dead center on your response to me about how the article can be consistent with he Wikipedia guidelines. Thanks to him and thank you for the time and the attention you have given. I will build on the article as well, following the line the both of you have set. Again, thank you.

(Ahpangcoga (talk) 02:40, 21 April 2009 (UTC))

Consortium of Bangsamoro Civil Society
Moved from user talk ikip:

I saw your comments on User talk:Ahpangcoga and fully support them. I don't see any way the Consortium of Bangsamoro Civil Society article should be deleted. I hope Ahpangcoga will contribute a whole lot beyond this one article. Aymatth2 (talk) 02:07, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I added to the article too. Ikip (talk) 02:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

!!! I have a real-world job, and am already caught up in far too many article disputes as it is. But this one seems so interesting... :~) Aymatth2 (talk) 02:23, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Holy See vs. Vatican
The Holy See has historical legal rights because it also has authority over territories that are outside the Vatican (cf properties of the Holy See). Also, if Vatican leaders were ever to acquire other small territories such as a small island in the Pacific, then the island would be placed under the jurisdiction of the Holy See. Technically, the Holy See used to own several states, such as the Pontifical States, and while the Vatican is currently the only one left, this would not really prevent the Holy See from acquiring any more in the future if an opportunity ever came up. Also, the Holy See is not the same as the Roman Catholic Church ; the Church is the 1 billion laypeople and clergy, while the Holy See is the episcopal and temporal government. Because of this, the articles about Holy See relations should give priority to diplomatic and political matters instead of issues that are exclusively related to the Church. ADM (talk) 07:22, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, only a link, but much obliged, just the same. I do think you take a more expansive view than I, but if you enjoy expanding them, more power to you. With the Holy See, I think most of its relations can be covered at "Roman Catholicism in..." articles (yes, I know the two entities are distinct, but there's considerable overlap); that's not the consensus, though. What I do nominate tends to be the trivial cases - at least in my eyes, which again can be a minority viewpoint. Other than trivial and clearly notable cases, I've noticed there are also some borderline ones. For instance, Czech Republic–Romania relations: on the one hand, there have been three notable interactions between Romania and Czechoslovakia (the Škoda Affair (a scandal in the early 1930s), the Little Entente, and Romania's refusal to join the Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia (oh, and, but that didn't really involve the Czechoslovak state, as there was none at the time)). So is there really any use for one article linking three disparate events taking place in 1920-38, 1933 and 1968, especially when the respective articles cover (or will cover) the bilateral aspect in depth? Here again let me plug the category option: a Category:Czech Republic–Romania relations (to cover Czechoslovakia as well) could nicely link them, without the need for a main article, which will always end up being a summary of those three happenings, plus some trivia on state visits, trade (trivial because it's pretty small) and the like. - Biruitorul Talk 03:16, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

invitation
I noticed your work on some of the x-y relation articles, you maybe interested in this new wikiproject.

You may also be interested in Article Rescue Squadron. Ikip (talk) 04:41, 5 May 2009 (UTC) ‎

Sugar balls
What do you think? We need a North Indian expert on sweets perhaps... ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:20, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Mongolia - Costa Rica relations
I saw some international relations articles at AfD and thought of you. If you had read Shel Silverstein's the Giving Tree as I suggested you would know how that story ends... Oh well. I guess rabbits like scurrying around digging holes for themselves and popping in and out of them? Just don't get too hopped up in the briar patch. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Marcusmax ( speak ) 23:52, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Colombia–Ireland relations
Hello. It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on others' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Your comments to other users is bordering on WP:CANVAS. see CANVAS. LibStar (talk) 00:01, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * thanks for your apology and honesty. to be honest, wasn't subtle at all. LibStar (talk) 00:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I have now posted all the normal editors who get involved in these discussions. If you see any "contras" I have missed, tell me and I will post them too. Again, you are right, the notice should have been extremely neutral and not limited to the "usual supporters". I am still learning about the way Wikipedia works ... Aymatth2 (talk) 00:29, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for your latest articles
I was wondering if you have considered putting any of your Colombian bios up for DYK. I looked over your articles you created and Francisco Burdett O'Connor and Mariano Montilla would make great DYKs. Regards -- Marcusmax ( speak ) 02:59, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Colombia–Ireland relations
I saw this AfD, which caught my interest, then got side-tracked into mini-bios of Irish participants in the Colombian wars of independence: James Towers English, James Rooke, William Aylmer and Francisco Burdett O'Connor, then further side-tracked to Mariano Montilla and Pedro Antonio Olañeta. John Devereux (con artist) and Francisco Tomás Morales are obvious gaping holes, and I suppose others will appear. But to go back to the AfD, now in day 6, any comments? Aymatth2 (talk) 23:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Only that I'm not sure why you're contacting me about it (-: Stifle (talk) 08:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That is quite interesting, however, a handful of Irish people participating in Colombia's war of independence doesn't make for a relationship between the two countries. It seems to me the Irish government had nothing to do with sending the men there to fight, but they did so of their own accord. It may be that this information deserves an article of its own, but not under the title Colombia–Ireland relations as it even says that these men were volunteers. I note some of these men have their own articles, and probably rightly so, but it doesn't have anything to do with relations between Ireland and Colombia at the government level. -- Blue Squadron  Raven  14:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The gist of conversation I have gotten out of all these AfDs is that not only is the relations at the government level between governments implicit in the articles' titles, but also that those relations have to be significant in context of world events. Presidential visits make the news but they are commonplace, and usually highly staged, and arranged months beforehand by low-level bureaucrats. Unless there is something to lift it higher than that, such as a former colonial relationship, war, or protracted close-proximity existence stretching back centuries, such as in Europe, mere handshaking is insufficient. -- Blue Squadron  Raven  16:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think we'll have to agree to disagree then. -- Blue Squadron  Raven  18:01, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar
You're just going to encourage him. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:00, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

FYI
Deletion of Bilateral relation pages despite ongoing merging effort Ikip (talk) 21:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
I like to keep them in one place! No real preference where, but where it started seems to make sense! Regards, HJMitchell  You rang?  18:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * another one! <font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">HJMitchell  <font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">You rang?

WikiProject_International_relations/Bilateral_relations_task_force/Articles
Probably many more articles can be merged into the Foreign relations of Belarus article. Ikip (talk) 01:27, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you not finished yet? Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_International_relations/Bilateral_relations_task_force? Ikip (talk) 01:28, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Offer to userfy
See Thanks for all your help. Ikip (talk) 05:09, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

All "relationship" articles in Word documents
I had 3,200 pages of these relationiship articles: all of them currently on wikipedia. I have got that page number down to 2,600. I want to get it all down to less than 500 pages.

So no need to collect more info, I have it all.

I will paste my work soon, and let you know. Ikip (talk) 16:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * down to 2149 pages.
 * there maybe some GFLD issues with posting this stuff on wiki, so I will send you the 136 pages that have been processed via email. the sections which are empty are to big to merge. Ikip (talk) 18:08, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * check your email for response. Ikip (talk) 18:45, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

approaches
we seems to have a similar approach to things. I didn't look at your user p. till now, but I see how you have in every respect the background to do this right (I seem to have just implied that I also do, but of course I do think that. ) DGG (talk) 14:03, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Greece
Did you have an opinion one way or the other about Articles for deletion/Germany–Uruguay relations and Articles for deletion/Greece-Kyrgyzstan relations? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 16:16, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:40, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Which articles? Oh those?  I haven't even looked at them.  I was just providing general guidance. ChildofMidnight (talk) 15:28, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * When are you going to start working on the political relations articles for the micronations? And what about sister-cities articles? Another clear example of inherent bias.
 * But seriously, I had to save an article on a graffiti artist just now. And I don't even like graffiti. It may be time to for me to join up with AxE. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:10, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Graffiti is the oldest form of art, and today perhaps the most vibrant. Is this artist famous? Should they be, could they be? What wall, where? As for micronations, I disclaim all responsibility for http://aym-gael.com/Ashburnham/uno.html. I just host it for a favor to a friend, that is all. Aymatth2 (talk) 02:28, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Would it amount to wp:outing to ask if you are part of Sealand's royal family? I'm not sure I'm allowed to tell you the name of graffiti artist. If only there were some way you could find it without my telling you the name! Here's a hint, it starts with the same five letters as micronation. But actually, it will not be deleted now anyway, and if it was it would be a snap to recreate. Notability is a slam dunk. So I think it's okay if let you sneak a quick peak at Microbo (artist). Which needs to be moved to Microbo, but the last time I moved something while it was at AfD I was almost drawn and quartered. Your statement that Graffiti is "art" is POV. I hope I won't have to template you for any further disruptions of this kind. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:23, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Spray paint
Speaking of encouraging criminals to vandalize and do damage that needs to be sandblasted off the side of buildings, scraped from bridges, and that can't be fixed from signage so it needs to be replaced entirely. Not to mention that it makes the subway car riding experience less pleasant and obstructs views out of the plexiglass because someone thought it would be cool to scrawl their "tag" around, have a look at User talk:ThatArtKid. I see two other articles that were rapidly deleted. One is Microbo's sometime partner and I suspect the other is probably notable as well. Were some deviant to take joy in greatly increasing my misery index (or would it be decreasing my misery index) by expanding Wikipedia's coverage of this *cough* "art form", they could, theoretically, take a break from their construction of exopolitical relations article and work up some articles on these miscreants instead. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:03, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You sound upset, and I don't like that.


 * Where I am, there is not much graffiti and what there is tends to be on walls that are seen as o.k. for graffiti, but get whitewashed with advance notice every few months. The walls are areas for public creation and display of temporary wall art, some very good, some not so good. I look at http://www.ekosystem.org/photo/920299 and I think it is interesting. I look a bit further and I see that Milan has a serious graffiti problem - but not as bad as other cities.


 * I suppose there is a broad spectrum between dumb vandalism and extreme creativity. If you have to live with the bad aspect every day, destructive in-your-face scribbles, you hate it. If you rarely see graffiti but sometimes take a detour to check out "the wall" and see powerful and original wall paintings, well, they are worth taking time to look at. The one to the right is in Tehran.


 * I will soon be in a hill village in Crete, far from the internet, so will do nothing good, bad or stupid on Wikipedia for a couple of weeks. I may see some old-fashioned wall art when I am there. I need a break to get back in touch with the real world. Take a walk, look at the view, drink some white wine, eat some goat, maybe some octopus... Aymatth2 (talk) 05:23, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I support art. The vandalism part of graffiti is wrong. If people want to make art and encourage young people to be creative they should find a positive outlet that adds beauty and that does no harm. :) I'm not upset. I'm totally relaxed like a Buddha. Although I'm a Ganesha fan, as he clears the way of obstacles. Have a wonderful trip! Sounds terrific. The Med. Woo hoo. Super. I'll send you a message in a bottle... ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:36, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Moldova–Spain relations
Can you help find references for Moldova–Spain relations. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 16:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Rescued
I have added a "rescued" tag to show where in AFD debates the rescue effort has begun, previously we have been adding a tag that shows when ARS was notified, but I don't think that is useful since nothing has changed at that point.Articles for deletion/Bahamas–Russia relations for an example that contrasts the difference in placement. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Here is another that needs help with references, I know you are busy: --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 00:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC) Malaysia–Sweden relations

Estonia–Luxembourg relations
Hello, I've recently tried to restore this page to a version which can be improved upon (a non-protected, non-disambiguation page) and I wondered if I could get your opinion about whether it is currently up to the quality which we expect of every Wikipedia article. I would appreciate your comments on the article at User:Cdogsimmons/Estonia–Luxembourg relations on the talk page there, and further improvements that would get it closer to inclusion status are always welcome. Thanks.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 22:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Bilateral relations
Things are really heating up! I can't believe you're gone when it's just getting good. I expect the League of Nations to step up its involvement. Dutch peacekeepers have already been deployed. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh yes it was all very exciting. There was a long AN or ANI thread (I can't remember which) and strong support for a pause in the action. Of course I spoke out strongly against any kind of disruptive armistice that would prevent the resolution of the impasse. Attrition seems highly effective to me.
 * It's good to have you back from the privations you described. A few days of edit warring and Tim Hortons and we'll have you back in peak form in no time. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Seriously, your trip sounds like it was fabulous and I enjoyed your descriptions. Thanks for sharing! Vicarious pleasures count. I look forward to the photo gallery that's sure to be added to the Lakki article soon... Wikipedia LOVES photo galleries. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding the pics. Keep em coming. :) The article is quite good I think. Does the town have any lateral relations? :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

How do you decide which country goes first in a bilateral relations article title? The barking and gnawing seems to have diminished around those articles, so maybe that part of the project is finished... Now we can move on to multi-lateral relations. I like your suggestion about food cuisine relations articles. And, of course, there's no doubt about the notability of food related subjects. I'd also like to see more coverage of food combos: bacon and eggs, peanut butter and banana, apples and honey etc. and feuds butter v. margarine and maple syrup v. imitation maple syrup. So much work to do! Where to next? ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:07, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

red links
Are you going to ask an admin guy to get you the text to the deleted ones that are redlinks? If you see anything worthy of expanding let me know, I am looking for an article to expand. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 02:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I like the merge because it preserves the original article history, and can be restored easily to be expanded. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 02:58, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Foreign relations of Haiti
Want to thank you for a great job on the article! I am always looking for ways to spruce it up. I am not Haitian, but have my degree in Caribbean history.--XLR8TION (talk) 00:43, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Lakki
Your points are well taken, and I agree fully with your edits to this effect. As for guidelines, there is AFAIK no "policy", but the commonly applied principle is that of a direct transliteration of the native names, which are less ambiguous that more or less loose alternative transliterations. Road signs in Greece are, frankly, a national disgrace, and not just for the atrocious way they render names in the Latin alphabet... Of course, since the alternate spelling is actually used, it must be mentioned in the article. Best regards, Constantine  ✍  00:19, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Was there a lot of baklava? Moussaka? Although on the island, I guess it's more likely to have lamb and seafood? Soulvaki? Gyro? Squid? Greek pizza? Don't leave me hanging man!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:45, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, did you see that Ched is an Admin now? I'm going to see if he'll block you for the disruption you've caused by working on bilateral relations articles. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:32, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Your excuses mean nothing to me. I've instructed you to focus on things I like: food, politics, movies I like, other things I like, and yet you've continued to work on international relations articles. Prepare yourself for Ched's wrath. I'm sure he hasn't forgotten your vandalism of his user page. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:38, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I just wanted to let you know that I'm opposed to redirecting, merging, keeping and deleting bilateral relations articles. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:37, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Stop redirections without discussion
I have undone all article merges which you have undertaken in relation to bilateral relations of Russia articles as the redirections have not been discussed on any of the article talk pages. Unfortunately, your unilateral redirections have broken many redirects to these articles. WP:STUB are valid articles, and it should be ascertained whether there is potential for an article before being redirected elsewhere, and the only way this can be done is via discussion on the article talk page. Please do not redirect any more Russian bilateral relations articles as I will continue to revert any redirections which are done unilaterally and without good reason. Thanks. --Russavia Dialogue 18:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I kind of feel the same way. I'm not exactly sure that all those redirections are really that appropriate, especially in the cases where the foreign relations articles are fully developed, and the material cannot be entirely re-copied on another page. ADM (talk) 21:22, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thirded... while they may be appropriate to make, making unilateral moves like this in a very controversial topic at the moment without talkpage discussion (or AfD discussion) probably isn't a good way to proceed. Lankiveil (speak to me) 08:10, 3 July 2009 (UTC).

Since three editors have objected, this is clearly controversial. I will therefore stop merging "X-Y relations" stubs into the "Foreign relations of X" articles. I will however continue to expand the "bilateral relations" tables in the "Foreign relations of X" articles to hold the basic information and sources found in the stubs. The job is 3/4 done and may as well be completed. I assume the stubs will continue to be fed into AfD. At 2-3 per day, they should all be resolved one way or another by March next year. The AfD debates will be time-consuming. It would be more efficient to merge for now and let interested editors revert the merges and expand the stubs where they can find material with good sources. But the outcome will be the much same either way: stand-alone "X-Y relations" articles only for relations where there is something significant to say. The main difference is that an editor thinking of creating a bilateral relations article will be more likely to hit the warning "You are recreating an article that has been deleted". Maybe that is not bad - they should only create an article where they have significant well-sourced content anyway. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:01, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Redirections
As above in some cases, a redirection may not be preferred but I agree with you in many cases it is ok to do. yes you are right that this will save the information for possible deletion. If people want to maintain stubs for some of the less notable bilateral pairings then they should be prepared to defend it in an AfD. LibStar (talk) 23:50, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Merger edit summaries, best practice
Hi. I noticed your two sections at Aervanath's talk page and that you've done a large number of bilateral relations article mergers. I have started a discussion on formalizing merger edit summaries at Help talk:Merging. I am particularly interested in your input on whether the proposed edit summaries would be too much extra work. Thanks. Flatscan (talk) 05:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

School articles
Aye thats what I have been doing but no one ever bothers to respond to the merger details I set up, so it can't be all that controversial of a thing to do. However in the best interest of everyone if an article has been kept in a prior afd then I will re-afd as it is probably controversial (see Dixon Elementary School) from there if people decide they should still be kept then I will honor that decision fully. - Marcusmax ( speak ) 14:21, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Good catch
Oops, sorry ... good catch on the switched countries. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 02:41, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


 * See user:ChildofMidnight/ Iceland-South Korea relations for an article that you guys can work on and recreate so I can get it out of my userspace (the history may need to be restored per GFDL because I think I just copied the article). THANKS! ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:09, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Must it be one or the other when it comes to Chile and Uruguay? ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Bacon? I think you've lost it. Completely. Time for another trip to Crete... HURRY!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Does it need to be clarified that the "warriors" are actually statues of warriors and not actual warriors? Wikipedia readers are easily confused. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:44, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Understood. Is there a reason we're not including the double taxation treaty? Oh and the Gustavson article seemed to deal with Iceland and Uganda, not South Korea. Is that going to be a problem? ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:08, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The only part of it I'm not sure on is the bacon bit at the end. But if you think it needs a bit more tweaking in userspace I will see if I can recall it from the public eye. I wouldn't want you to lose any sleep. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:10, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Any suggestions for a DYK hook? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:04, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, that is boring. Not even a mention of pickled cabbage or herring? Vikings? Oh well.
 * I apologize for causing any distress and concern over the potential confusion the previous version might have caused Wikipedia's innocent readers. And I'm not sure Putin is really connected directly with Iceland (although that history still seems more interesting to me than what's there now). And I suppose there was a small chance that someone might have thought that Iceland had become South Korea. So perhaps the newer version with appropriate clarifications and amplifications is a good thing. But I preferred the guitar and warrior images. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:12, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

X-Y relations commenting on !votes moratorium.
Aymatth2: Earlier today, I posted the following note to all talkpages of the "usual suspects" at bilateral AfDs. Somehow, I forgot you--sorry. Please consider the following, and I urge you weigh-in on my talkpage. Thanks, and sorry for the oversight. Yilloslime T<sub style="margin-left:-1.040ex;"> C  02:30, 17 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd like to propose a voluntary moratorium on commenting on others people's !votes in bilateral relations AfDs. At this point, I don't think there's anything to be gained from such comments--obviously no one is convincing anyone--meanwhile, the acrimony rises and uninvolved editors are discouraged from weighing in. See this masterpiece for a prime example. So how about we just don't comment on each others' votes? This moratorium would not cover general comments, i.e. those which aren't indented under and/or in response to a specific !vote (e.g. ), but these should be kept to an absolute minimum. I intend invite all of the "usual suspects" to join this moratorium. I've missed someone, please invite them. Please discuss, and ideally note whether you intend to abide by this, here.

The Editor's Barnstar
By "stable" he means the place where horses live. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * With a more careful examination on the history of the article, The Surreal Barnstar could have been attributed to Aymatth2.--Caspian blue 17:32, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh no! I am a strictly serious editor. That was someone else with the same id. Happens all the time. Aymatth2 (talk) 17:39, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You will see how I got to know you and the article. here The Korean warrior image, pickled cabbage, and guitar made with "components" from Korea were really good ones :).--Caspian blue 17:43, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Can it be saved List of anthems of micronations? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I suggest removing all the recent additions and refraining from additional for now. It's too far along towards being deleted and I don't think an improved version will get a fair shake. I'll have it moved to my userspace after it's deleted and we can add the new material and look at possibly recreating down the road when hostility towards micronations and their national anthems is less. Mother mother... there's far too many of you crying... ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:14, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Is John Lennon's Nutopian anthem, as included on the Mind Games album, three or six seconds long? ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)