User talk:Aymatth2/Archive 17

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Noam Bettan
Hello, you can look at the relevance of this article Noam Bettan, for me it has them. --Acartonadooopo (talk) 17:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Your mass redirections
I think it is a shame that a) you couldn't be bothered to ask article creators or do anything to attract the attention of people with the articles on their watchlists, and b) you really should leave the categories. DuncanHill (talk) 13:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The purpose is to stop pointless AfD debates on stubs about questionably notable features, and to pull together information on these features into the context of a parent article such as a large island, a mountain range, a major glacier etc. I have been as open as I can. I asked for comments on WikiProject Antarctica, asked two of the most prolific stub creators for comments, discussed with two admins, and presumably the stub creators are watching the stubs if they still have any interest in them. But nothing is lost. The information is all preserved in brief list entries like
 * Wright Peak -73.66667°N, -94.53333°W. Small rock peak 1510 m high located 0.5 nmi south of Sutley Peak. Mapped by the University of Minnesota-Jones Mountains Party, 1960-61, which named it for Herbert E. Wright, Jr., glacial geologist, University of Minnesota, who was advisor to the party and visited Antarctica in the 1961-62 season.
 * Anyone who wants to restore and expand an article like this just has to undo the redirect and start adding content, as the edit note says: "Redirect to parent, which holds all the available content. Article could be restored and expanded if more material shows up." I am not deleting any information, just organizing it. As for keeping categories on redirects, I cannot see any scenario where that would have value. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:45, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * For categorisation see WP:SUBTOPICCAT. I think you should also use Template:R with possibilities. As for "I have been as open as I can" no you haven't - "presumably the stub creators are watching the stubs if they still have any interest in them" yes I am still watching those I created, and no you did absolutely nothing to inform me or anyone else watching them, until you actually went ahead. "The purpose is to stop pointless AfD debates on stubs about questionably notable features" - do you have any evidence of that happening? because I've not seen it on any of those on my watchlist. DuncanHill (talk) 13:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:SUBTOPICCAT is a suggestion, and applies to things with well known names that may be expanded into full articles. As far as I can tell, most of the small Antarctic features are not at all well known, and the list entry holds all there is to be said about them. Very few will turn back into full articles. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * R with possibilities should only be used if there is some sign that there are possibilities. If a stub has anything more than a copy of the USBGN or GNIS entry, I do not turn the article into a redirect. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I have no way of telling who is watching an article. The watchers will see my changes, and can object to any particular redirect if they feel that the topic has potential as an article. So far, no editors have. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I started this project because I was involved in an AfD debate on a stub, where the information seemed worth keeping but the feature did not seem at all notable. The solution was to merge to parent. As I work through the stubs, I sometimes come across a redirect from an AfD that was closed as merge, usually just a bald redirect to the parent name rather than to a section. And sometimes I come across a redlink for a deleted stub. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:24, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * From a user's point of view, the redirects are useful. Wright Peak (Antarctica) takes them straight to the information that was in the stub, but they can scroll up and down to see nearby features, and maybe they will find something about the geology, glaciology, etc. of the parent feature. A stand-alone article does less to encourage browsing. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:24, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You don't need to know who is watching an article. You can post on the talk page and EVERYONE WHO IS WATCHING THE ARTICLE WILL SEE IT. If you watchlisted the redirects you would have seen objections before, because I have objected in the past when restoring categories. DuncanHill (talk) 15:21, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Launching talk page discussions and watching all the redirects seems over-elaborate for a simple process like this. So far no editor has objected on my talk page to any of the thousands of redirects. Anyone can undo a redirect and expand the article if they have more information. They do not have to tell me, but if they did I would encourage them, and add a main link from the list entry in the parent article. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:51, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I will leave the categories, going forward. I do not see how that would be useful, but can't see what harm it would do. Aymatth2 (talk) 11:57, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I notice that the categorization is quite erratic. Thus the Behrendt Mountains are in eastern Ellsworth Land, but Mount Caywood, Mount Brice, Thomson Summit and Mount Suggs are in Palmer Land to the north, while Mount Abrams is in the Biscoe Islands of Graham Land, far to the north. Aymatth2 (talk) 12:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

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