User talk:Aymatth2/Archive 2

your comment on my talk page
totally agree! the united states-X series needs some major POV checking. and I agree, inherently notable can only come from a stated Wikipedia policy. LibStar (talk) 01:12, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * thanks for adding the map. yes history in the pre Soviet era will be harder to find. most coverage is post 1990. LibStar (talk) 04:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * would you be able to provide a map for Germany–Slovakia relations? LibStar (talk) 05:57, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Reply
Ok, fine, please proceed. Let's see how it turns out. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:36, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And next time, you might want to use the tag. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:41, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can see what you are trying to do now. Are you going to complete it soon? --BorgQueen (talk) 14:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

talkback
Thegreyanomaly (talk) 00:35, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Micronational anthems
Thanks very much for your interest and efforts on this critical topic. I had no idea that it was actually semi-legitimate with some notability. The discussion and the John Lennon bit were very interesting. It came very close to being a no consensus close and I appreciate your involvement. bI'm stowing it away for recreation as it's only a matter of time before notability for this historic subject can be established. Also, good luck on the Micronation- relations articles. It's about time! ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Austria–Colombia relations
Dont you think there is enough at Austria–Colombia relations, we cam both work on it. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 02:01, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Mad Hatters
Could you ask your "expert friend" (tell the truth, you have a thing for couture hats, don't you!) about the name cocktail hat and the use of feathers. Is it a play on words? A playful gag related to the drink, the rooster's feathery tail, both? Any history would also be welcome. When did you first start wearing them? ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:31, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * See Fruit hat. The sourcing is a little bit weak. If someone has access to the NYT that might help. Will it survive? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:09, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's actually all coming together, and getting interesting, because I was just talking about Busby Berkeley and Footlight Parade, and Berkeley coreographed the Carmen Miranda musical number "The Girl in the Tutti Frutti Hat", in which she and others wear fruit hats, in the movie The Gang's All Here, and Miranda was the inspiration for the Chiquita Banana that wears a fruit hat. So you see it all makes sense. Now we just need a connection to the cocktail hat. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:17, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh and Lloyd Bacon directed Footlight Parade. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:50, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

bilateral relations
these articles are primarily about foreign relations, there is nothing stopping you putting info on history, culture (although I generally disagree with sport). However, if the article is largely based on culture it's not a strong basis for notability. LibStar (talk) 02:03, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't like starting with "official X-Y relations commenced on ..." can you find some better wording? LibStar (talk) 02:32, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Relations
Do you think the Federal Republic of Aurelia has any notable relations? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:29, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Guangdong independence? Not sure if I should take this seriously and add it to the list...
I've stumbled upon a forum advocating secession for Guangdong, though occasionally, oddly enough, it refers to South Vietnam, Lingnam (I assume this is an alternative name).

Earlier, I tried to post this on your talk page, but the url was apparently "blacklisted" (not surprised). It's "namyuekok", then a dot, then "freeforums" then dot-org (hope it still won't block "namyuekok").

I didn't really take this seriously at first.

I mean, I took Manchukuo seriously, because it made more sense. The Manchu had been at war with China less than a century ago, and they had had their own state before they were joined to China by conquering it, making their predicament somewhat similar to that of the Tatars in Russia. Given they lacked a majority over their homeland, an independence movement would be fringe, but it would most likely exist, as the website confirmed. There are always those who resent the rule, especially if they descend from branches of the former ruling family as some people on the Manchukuo site claim to.

However, the Cantonese speakers I know all identify as Han Chinese. If anything it is the Mandarin speakers who identify differences between the two, and this is generally the historical pattern as well. Guangdong is subject to much migration and whatnot, and so what would be a Cantonese ethnicity if it existed is now spread all over the country. So of course I didn't take it seriously.

While the site does not seem to get much activity, browsing around, I found that there is a notable indication of organization of some group. There is footage of some sot of uprising, as well as holding of offline meetings, events, etc. The site is probably supposed to be a forum made for some group that was offline before online. So, of course, if it is actually legit, it is a ultraradical fringe group that gets about 0% support, and is probably completely insignificant, but even so, can't it still be called a separatist group.

Please read the forum and tell me what you think.

Hope to hear from you soon. --Yalens (talk) 01:33, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. That's what I thought at first... --Yalens (talk) 02:10, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Game pie
Hello! there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible.

RFC?
Hello Aymatth2, I am wondering if you would be interested in certifying my RFC on either LibStar or on the Bilateral relations, similar to the original RFC for this, Requests_for_arbitration/Episodes_and_characters, today LibStar nominated some of the redirects we created for deletion.

I found that there have been 30 arguments on ANI about this issue, and 6 arguments on the main AFD talk page. I think it is time to get a larger view.

Let me know if you think it would be better to have a RFC about an individual, or the articles themseles.

Ikip (talk) 00:39, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "we created". that is incorrect, I have never nominated any of Aymatth2's redirects because he has done the more correct thing in redirecting to foreign relations of X. Ikip is misrepresenting me. LibStar (talk) 00:58, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I apologize, I did not know who created all of those redirects, until now. I only saw now that LibStar has only put up for deletion my redirects. The bottom line is that Libstar is now putting up redirects for deletion, and if the articles are any guide, most will be put up for deletion now, staring a new WP:BATTLE... Ikip (talk) 01:16, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * hardly a battle, because I don't agree that they should be redirected to List of diplomatic missions of Argentina. LibStar (talk) 01:19, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Why LibStar? How are my dozens of redirects any different than Aymatth2's? Ikip (talk) 01:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * because Aymatth2 always redirects to Foreign relations of X, something that I don't strongly support but don't oppose either. stop creating wikidrama out of this. I've given you my reasons several times. LibStar (talk) 01:48, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

No you just told me now. If you would have asked me to move these articles in the first place, I would have, the source of this wikidrama is yourself LibStar, a simple message would have avoided this. Ikip (talk) 02:38, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * thanks for the photo. fitting. Ikip (talk) 02:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * So which mauled soldier am I? :) check your email. Ikip (talk) 02:57, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

thanks
thanks for your comments here User_talk:Ikip. LibStar (talk) 01:48, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Roadkill cuisine

 * Should there be a section on French cuisine ? Also, this cookbook has an interesting write up . "The recipes include the popular UK dish -Bangered and Mashed, Chili's national dish - Chili Con Carnage, Pakistan's Chicken Peeloff and Germany's Hasenpflatten." And 'About the Author:
 * As "America's Most Non-mainstream Game Biologist" and director of the Meals Under Wheels Foundation, Buck leads the shopping along the bountiful highway supermarket... Buck was the first author of note to both document roadside shopping and introduce the world to the very fast food cuisine of roads and highways in The Original Roadkill Cookbook." This work of fiction seems pretty exciting . As least I think it's fiction... This book has a section on roadkill and this seems like a good idea . ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:06, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Have you seen this ? Also, although the source doesn't have a great track record for reliability (and some of the content is already covered in the article), this article might have a usable bit or two. Anyway, it's a lovely photo in the article. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:46, 17 August 2009 (UTC) Outrageous. Is nothing sacred??? Next thing you know there will be candy cigarettes and bacon band aids. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:11, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I nommed game pie as an August 18 DYK. Don't be all stuck up about the nice photo. It should go back to the top of the article until you can find one of the grand old dammes. I added a video, but they used tomato paste of some sort which I found utterly shocking. When they guy is talking about where the game came from and he coughs, so obviously some of it was roadkill. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:47, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thinking of buying Splodge the Hedgehog. Hours of fun. Aymatth2 (talk) 23:40, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Not twitch or grind? I thought you were a rabbit person. Smooshed hedgehog? I'm learning more about you all the time. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:47, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Need I remind you that this is the English Wikipedia ? Freedom pies!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:09, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Important article you may want to have a look at
Ice Hockey in Mali ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:53, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I am having difficulty finding references, or at least finding really good ones. Something wrong with my browser maybe. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:09, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "Bonaventure Kalou evened the score with a header early in the second half..." They have some unusual rules for ice hockey in Mali. Or is it just a difference in terminology? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:26, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot
Hi Aymatth2. Thanks a lot for improving the Ice Hockey in Mali article. I hope that it's not going to be deleted. I'll try to improve it too. Thanks.

-KyyhkyBoy —Preceding unsigned comment added by KyyhkyBoy (talk • contribs) 17:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

So what articles didn't you redirect?
How far did you get, what letter? Everything seems finished up to "g".

Editors are still putting these articles up for deletion.

the big question on my mind, is what happens when the bears runs out of food? i.e. when there are no more articles to delete? I would guess that the bears would simply move onto other articles to delete. sigh. Ikip (talk) 01:09, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I hope you used this tool to see the redirect pages, instead of clicking the links, which I forgot about:


 * Navigation popups.PNG


 * Ikip (talk) 01:30, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Reply
When cleaning up the "X-Y relations" stubs I was not being particularly systematic and have lost my notes, but think I was down to about "N" - about 80%. For some reason, more countries have names early in the alphabet. Half-way down the country list is 3/4 down the X-Y list. I almost always redirected to the alphabetically first country in the pair, except for Peoples Republic of China (C) and maybe one or two others. And because I was sometimes hopping ahead, probably redirected more than 90% of the stubs. But I think I missed Bulgaria and maybe one or two other countries at the start before I hit a routine approach. After I stopped redirecting due to complaints I kept on merging until I finished my list, putting the content into the first parent article but leaving the stub. At the end of that pass, all the content was "saved".

Then I did a clean-up pass through the "Foreign relations of" articles, starting from the bottom of the alphabet and working up, either merging stubs into the "Y" article as well, or pointing the "Y" article entry to the "Foreign relations of X" article if the stub had been changed to a redirect to that article. In parallel, I was trying to split the lists by region and convert tables to text where practical for the sake of readability, and shuffle other content in the "Foreign relations of " articles by region/country.

Mechanically, I was simply doing a search on, say, "Kenya relations", list 500, cut-and-paste into Word, and then some routine transformations to extract a list of X-Kenya or Kenya-X pairs in table format. I think I documented it somewhere under my user page. Maybe not the most efficient approach and may have missed some like "Greco-British", but fairly quick and easy and probably got most of them. Much the bigger job was looking at the stubs, thinking about them and merging into the parent.

This was a massive job, and I sometimes wondered if I was being as obsessive as Groubani who created the stubs, but also fascinating in a way. The stubs focused on eastern Europe, maybe Romania, maybe Bulgaria, with outliers like Malta and Finland. There were very few stubs between developing countries, even when close by. On some of the African "Foreign relations of " I put in redlinks, or at least empty headers, for relations with bordering countries. So for Foreign relations of Rwanda I put in empty headers for Uganda and Tanzania. There is a huge fertile ground for articles on relations between neighboring countries in South America, Africa and Asia. The United States-X articles are mostly horrible, cut and paste from a State Department site and totally one-sided. Many of the articles, even when not stubs, are extremely poor quality. There is POV content for Kosovo and Armenia everywhere. Overall, it is still a mess.

If I stay interested I may fill in some of the more obvious gaps. I did a few, like Botswana–Namibia relations, Ethiopia–People's Republic of China relations and Egypt–Libya relations. There are usually masses of sources, very easy to create a start that other editors can build on. This would be much more useful, my view, than saving all the Groubani stubs. Mostly they can be saved with a bit of effort, but saving them serves to perpetuate systemic bias. Better to start articles on more important relations. But I am likely to drift off into other subjects. I enjoyed working on Roadkill cuisine, which led to Game pie, and will always get attracted by odd-ball subjects. I like doing geographical articles like Birim River or Inner Terai Valleys of Nepal, or articles on peoples like Meghwal. Short span of attention has always been my problem. Aymatth2 (talk) 02:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Doubling down
I always thought doubling down was a way to lose money twice as fast at the blackjack table. What do you make of this double down? The article history is interesting also... ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:50, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Interesting history. But I thought that Hitler, although not Vegan was vegetarian due to ethical concerns. Aymatth2 (talk) 03:07, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Ice Hockey in Mali
No apology necessary. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ann_Beach for the Afd I was referring to, and you can see my frustration. Obvious notability, but a few decide to become lawyers and pore over finer points of policy. Then articles like this come along... (And some of the ones that do get kept...) Cheers! Eauhomme (talk) 16:52, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Mexican food
"I know you can hardly wait now because this one is exciting." ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:37, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Good one. Nice to see that the article is getting so much editing activity. Also, lots of hits. I wonder when if ever it will settle down. Somehow this does not seem the kind of subject where there will ever be the last word. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:11, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Roadkill Cuisine
I like those recent edits, good way to reach a neutral and careful analysis of the concept of "vegan" roadkill eaters. SADADS (talk) 02:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Now I see why you stick to international relations articles. These food subjects like game pie and roadkill cuisine are far too controversial. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:31, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Check out [] for nutritional info, it is based on 3 ounces. I don't know if that is a good weight to compare to, we might need a little calculation. SADADS (talk) 15:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Dirac
You think there is something about h-bar that had heuristic value for Dirac. So let's go back and look at the models that were current in his time.

I think the puzzle developed this way: It was very well worked out how electrons could be made to run up and down radio antennas. For efficiency of transmission, it would be better if an AM station put out all of its energy at a single frequency. But transmitters do not work that way, so it was surely known that they would produce harmonics of the desired frequencies. (Shortwave listeners know that they can sometimes pick up a station at multiples of its assigned frequency, and ham transmitters can get in trouble with the neighbors when their harmonics interfere with regular AM stations.)

In trying to understand the production of light, it was natural to look at electrons as they ran a circular (or elliptical) path around the nucleus. Of course in the beginning they had a solar model in mind, so the idea would have been to figure out the orbital periods that would correspond to the electro-magnetic waves excited by electrons moving in these orbits. Of course that would not work, because if an electron radiated energy as it orbited, it would lose energy, and within a micro-second it would dive into the nucleus. Still, there was something compelling about the idea of electrons in orbits. For one thing, it was clear that the raisin pudding model would not work. The nucleus had to be tiny compared to the size of the atom, and there had to be something between nuclei of adjacent atoms to keep them apart. So the electrons had to be "out there" in some sense.

Bohr came along and argued that electrons were in orbits, and that which orbit an electron was in must be a function of its energy, moreover, that energy could be gained and the orbit changed accordingly. That model seemed to explain some things.

Heisenberg came along and said, "Forget orbits. We can't get any experimental data." He treated the numbers previously associated with orbits by associating them with energy states. He said that the measurable quantities were the frequencies/wavelengths of the hydrogen bright-line spectrum and the intensities of radiation at these frequencies. He argued that one could account for the intensities by regarding them as a function of the number of photons that were moving between energy levels that could produce light of the various frequencies and intensities.

Dirac asked what would happen if one regarded electrons not as "planets in orbit" but as standing waves. If a photon is produced by the fall of an electron from a higher energy level to a lower energy level, and if energy is conserved, then the energy of a photon, known from its frequency, must be equivalent to the energy differential of the two electron energy levels. The energy of a photon indicates a related frequency.

Now Dirac's model has a nucleus, and around it there may be a standing wave with several different "dimensions." About the only sure thing that one could say about them is that to be standing waves, then, if they are in some kind of circular or elliptical configuration around the nucleus, the circumference must be the right size to accommodate that standing wave.

So there are several circumferences related to several energy states. Why these circumferences and not others? It can only be because the energies are quantified. So we would like to have some quantum of energy that is appropriate to a circular phenomenon, and that is h-bar.

Is there something special about the circular/elliptical configuration of energy seen in the atom? Is there something telling about the way that energy changes from a stable circular/elliptical configuration to a straight line configuration?

What can one say about mass if mass pertains to a wave? Is the mass distributed throughout the path of the standing wave? If an electron passes through a double-slit apparatus, does the mass pass only through one slit?

I'm contemplating buying a couple more books. It's a much more secure pathway than depending on one's own speculations. Maybe you could recapture your insight by getting Dirac's book of four essays. P0M (talk) 21:54, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What does this have to do with roadkill cuisine and game pies. My brain hurts. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:05, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I picked up both books at the library. The lectures/essays definitely weren't for a freshman physics class. The textbook on QM is going to go to a level way over my head in another dozen pages, but what he says at the beginning is remarkably valuable. But so far what I have seen makes me wonder whether you had some insight that occurred while, tangentially, he was talking about h-bar. It doesn't seem to be doing anything special for him, nor does he really highlight it. P0M (talk) 00:59, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

AfD thanks
Thanks for engaging me on the AfD for Lord O'Brien, 5th Baron of Somethingham (or whatever his title is). All to often people either take things waaay too personally or make a drive-by comment and then disappear into the night. It is always reassuring to have an actual discussion over some aspect of an article and gives me hope for the project. Cheers.  young  american (wtf?) 14:08, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

A favor
Hello, Aymatth2. I'm writing this in the hope that you would do me a favor for me since you're interested in international relationships. (the article of Iceland-South Korea relationships was really a good case to show both humor and what is expansion of contents) Gyeongju is one of a few FAs of WP:WikiProject Korea, but has faced a danger of delisting, so I've been working on expanding the article for about 2 months. So the closing time is near, but as reviewers have pointed out that the prose of the article is not good in the current status, and my grammatical errors are not fixed since I'm the only one working on the article, especially Cultural properties, Economy and Gyeongju as well as Gyeongju. I've been struggling to find copy-editors although two people copy-edited some portion (history and sports). So if you're active, could you consider my asking for the favor? Thanks.--Caspian blue 22:38, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, Aymatth2, thank you very much for the copy-editing! I'm still working on expansion since the article was promoted 4 years ago, and the FA standard are gone much higher. You may notice that the cultural properties section only states half of how many relics Gyeongju has. If you think that some sections (especially newly added information) are too much detailed as compared to other sections, please give me your input. Since reviewers have known I've been expanding the article, so they're thankfully holding their review. However, they can shut down the discussion any time since the FARC has been opened for 2 months and some of FARCs were closed and demoted even though editors were working on the former FA articles, so yesterday I felt urged to fix grammatical problems and prose of the article immediately. Therefore my above comment sounded desperate and requested help to several editors at once. Thankfully, you and another editors have helped me which is very generous, and reassures me that Wikipedia is a collaborative project from good faith. Thanks again.--Caspian blue 01:22, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Merger of separated people
Hi, Aymatth2, your idea regarding merger of Megh bhagat and Megwal is fructifying. Community people have started talking about it and started communicating with each other. I do not know how many times the article was hit on Wiki, however, I am sure this article will have some political impact in future. I hope you will soon put a notice on discussion page for moving it to 'Megh (people)'. Thanks again.(Bharat Bhushan Bhagat 12:37, 5 September 2009 (UTC))

Move Meghwal
Hi, Aymatth2, thanks for putting up the notice for moving Meghwal to 'Megh (people)'. Time is ripe now.(Bharat Bhushan Bhagat 11:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhagat.bb (talk • contribs)

Can you?
In the page Foreign relations of the Maldives you appear to have made a Revision as of 19:00, 31 July 2009. You added text and some references. One of those reference tags, appears to be causing a cite error. Could you please go back and fill out the full source to fix the cite error. Thanks.75.69.0.58 (talk) 22:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation page of Megh
I tried to open Meghwal article by typing Megh and it went to Disambiguation page of 'Megh'. On that page, there were two options at serial number 2 namely 'Meghwal' and 'Meghwar'. Please give an option of 'Megh' also so that from there itself one may get linked directy to Meghwal article.Bhagat.bb (talk)(Bharat Bhushan Bhagat 16:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC))

Thanks for help
Thank you very much for the help dear. Thanks again.Bhagat.bb (talk)(Bharat Bhushan Bhagat 01:33, 16 September 2009 (UTC))

Ike Ekweremadu
On the one hand, I agree most readers will not have heard of Enugu State and that which state a Nigerian politician is from matters. On the other hand, I don't see why we can't rely on readers to click the link if they wish to see a map, or perhaps add in "from Enugu State in the south". I know we have no photograph of Ekweremadu himself, but we should resist the urge to add in images simply for its own sake (although you didn't quite do that). The reason I brought up Thurmond or Webster (and I could bring up many more) is that in most cases, we mention what area a politician represents and leave readers to find out more about the area if they so desire, without a map in the biography itself. Sure, not everyone knows where South Carolina or Massachusetts are; still fewer have heard of Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath, Helensville, Calgary West or Griffith - even though these are the parliamentary constituencies of the current Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom, New Zealand, Canada and Australia respectively. Yet no maps appear in any of their biographies; the link-clicking system is deemed sufficient for them all. Why make an exception (and it is an exception) in Ekweremadu's case?

This isn't a huge issue and I won't be removing the map a second time, but I hope I've better explained my perspective. - Biruitorul Talk 17:18, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * OK - keep up the good work! - Biruitorul Talk 21:46, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Human suit
Was coverage of game pie dishes and roadkill cuisine your last hurrah? ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:45, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Gyeongju FA thanks
Thank you for your wonderful copy-editing to Gyeongju, which successfully survived from WP:FAR since October 15, 2009 --Caspian blue 05:37, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Nigerian templates
Collapsing these seems reasonable- I will be going over these again shortly as there are still quite a few errors in them which need correcting (I took Local Government Areas of Nigeria as being fairly accurate, but it appears it was produced from a faulty list) and will change then. After I sort out links, redirects etc and do a bit of copyediting I will let you know, there might still be a few problems. A few of places seem to have multiple spellings, but I should manage to get the official names. Regards,  (Crusoe8181 (talk) 06:04, 22 October 2009 (UTC)).

Articles needing work
If you need a break from your work raising the profile of distinguished non-western politicians, the articles on reverse psychology and opposite day could use some work. Don't those other nations have their own Wikipedias anyway? :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:57, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't go here. There really is no more to be said. But feel free to start the category Ol Yunaitet Stet. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:30, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not at liberty to discuss the Chosen One. See also censorship. But of course I'm very thankful for anyone who spreads peace and prosperity enough to deserve a highly regarded peace prize. Where would be without the noble leadership of Arafat and Kissinger, for example? ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:41, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * FYI. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:44, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Re:Peter King (afrobeat)
The references in The Guardian look enough to me. Some of those sources are of questionable reliability, and the article could do with a little work, but I certainly don't think the article should be deleted at this time. J Milburn (talk) 10:51, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Greek doughnuts
Thank you for contributing to the expansion Wikipedia's coverage of doughnuts by working up something on Svingi, Thiples, Loukoumades, Loukoumathes for Doughnut Drive 2009. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:26, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries if you don't want to participate. You just have to find someone else to take over your assignment. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:50, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I would hate to second guess your choice of article subjects. But everyone known that Kokoro is more important than any senator. It's not even listed in the disambiguation page. And the article is about some novel. God help us! ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Kokoro: page 18/48. It's not actually a donut, if that makes you feel any better. There is also this fellow . And Kokoro means heart in Japanese. But perhaps there's a shortage of love for doughnuts and Nigerian cuisine when it comes to Wikipedia? Excuse me, I'm going to go cry because there are people who put politics ahead of food. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:13, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

The Art of Negative Thinking
Someone informed me of the buddhist concept of Mu (negative) (which I can't seem to grasp). Something about a dog? And I found this on a user talk page. If only I was wise enough to grasp all of the meanings entailed. Ommmmmm. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:10, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I fixed the formatting/ feng shui. I hope there wasn't too much confusion over which moo I was talking about. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:46, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Happy Holidays
I hope all is well with you. Are you familiar at all with Joy J. Kaimaparamban? As I recall you used to hang out in that area of the world. Or maybe I have you confused with someone else? Anyway, stay out of trouble and have fun! I'm watching Kung Fu Panda and it's very insightful and inspiring. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:15, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Kainikkara Kumara Pillai
Thank you for creating Kainikkara Kumara Pillai, he was in my to-do list. Happy editing. Salih ( talk ) 18:17, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Transclusion in template - reply
The template Templaterefsection is often usefull in templates that carry references. It shows the references in the template, and adds the references to all articles that use the template, but without making a conflicting second references list.

The problem is that there is a general technical rule, that there can be no references in articles after the references section of that article. Therefore, this solution can be used ony in templates that are placed above the references section. This template we are talking about now, is a footer template, that comes at the very bottom of the article, after the references section. Therefore, there is no way it can contain a reference. Debresser (talk) 11:16, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


 * No need to leave any warnings. Almost all editors who know how to make references, know about this. And if they forget, the resulting error message will be like a flashlight to call somebody to fix it right away. Debresser (talk) 22:13, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Great News!!!
Unable to resist bacon's temptations, rogue editors have kicked off the Bacon Challenge 2010 before the New Year even starts! This is a fun and collegial event and all are welcome. There are many non-pork articles for editors who enjoy some sizzle, but object to or don't like messing with pig products. This year's event also includes a Bacon WikiCup 2010 for those who may want to keep score and enjoy engaging in friendly competition. Given the critical importance of this subject matter, I know you will want to participate, so remember to sign up today and get started A.S.A.P. ALL ARE WELCOME!!! The more the merrier. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:16, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that several of these are notable. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:19, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Nigerian politicians
Nice job on Nigerian politicians. Wizzy&hellip; &#9742; 17:43, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Tunde Ogbeha
Good work on the article, good to know there are editors looking after often neglected sections of the encyclopedia. The lead paragraph lacks information though, needs expanding. Plus, I didn't have a clue who mr. Ogbeha is, and it took me a few sections to find out he is from Nigeria (not everyone knows where Kogi State is..). We need some rewriting to make it more accessible to the general public (including me). Further more, the flow within sections isn't great: it reads more like a enumeration of facts than prose. Maybe we should have a look at the manual of style to improve things. Anyway, I'm looking forwards to your edits and I'll check the page every now and then.

Regards, Pim Rijkee (talk) 22:10, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Nkpat-Enin, Mkpat-Enin
I think this is a case of another case of earlier colonial (English) orthography versus Igbo orthography- the state and the post office etc. use M... Had some trouble with these names as both the online appendix to the Nigerian Constitution (which should be the ultimate source) and the NIPOST site both have typos; and hyphenation appears to be a matter of personal style, partic. in Igbo areas. I left them out unless obviously required and used redirects. Will be be back shortly with infoboxes on these articles, as soon as I finish on Guinea Rep. which really is a serious spelling challenge!! regards (Crusoe8181 (talk) 10:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)).

Abba Sayyadi Ruma
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Babatunde Osotimehin
Sure and it's my pleasure - always glad to be of assistance. :-) Thank you for your continued excellent work providing articles on Nigerian politicians.  It's nice to see an under-loved corner of the world getting some attention. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:44, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Nigerian Civil Service
I took off the cleanup tag...you did some major work on it...good job! Nasa-verve (talk) 23:17, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Ayodele Awojobi
I imagine you are watching a lot of pages! I copied you this response of mine from Talk:Ayodele Awojobi: Thanks, Aymatth2 (talk). I see what you mean about working at conforming with Wikipedia's manual of style, and also about digging for more in-depth, verifiable info concerning the article. I intend also to work on your general overlay edits to put back in, some subtitles - for example, the earlier subtitle I wrote - "Doctor of Science(Dsc)": I'm not sure how many folks understand that this is a post-doctorate degree and hence beyond a PhD, awarded for land-mark post-doctorate research. Ayodele obtained this 35 years ago from what, world-wide is considered to be the traditional home of Mechanical Engineering - Imperial College London. Ayodele Awojobi was the first African to accomplish this academic feat, in Mechanical Engineering, at least where Imperial College London is concerned. Thanks for showing me better citation formating and using one citation in multiple places - I knew I read that somewhere and had to clean that up! I'm going to read-up how I can establish links from other articles like you suggested - also read that somewhere on Wiki! Even the "accessdate" thing. I knew I had to go brush that up where I read it, somewhere. I'll get the hang of it, soon. Sorry to ramble on. Lots more to do, I guess. Thanks for your help.Krrush (talk) 09:34, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Kokoro
Hi. Sorry about that, unintended. Please accept my apology. Any help you give expanding the new stubs about places in Niger would be great. Have a good Christmas.Starzynka (talk) 22:54, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Sioux Trail Elementary School
I have nominated Sioux Trail Elementary School, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Sioux Trail Elementary School. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. ukexpat (talk) 16:24, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Frittole
This might be something you want to fix up on a cold winter's day. Assuming you don't already have your hand full with roadkill cuisine. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:03, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination
I nominated an article of yours Yakubu Mu'azu for DYK. Joe Chill (talk) 21:51, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I think that the article is nice looking even if you don't think that it looks so great. Joe Chill (talk) 01:33, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Gusau Dam article
I don't have any strong feelings either. I would prefer two articles, but there likely isn't enough material. I'd say it's best as you've left it; it can be split if more information can be sourced. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 18:18, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

New stub you may find useful
Hi Aymatth, Firstly, great job creating so many articles on Nigerian military governors. I created an upmerged Nigeria-mil-bio-stub, which in combination with Nigeria-politician-stub you may find useful. Thanks and keep up the good work!--TM 20:43, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Yakubu Mu'azu
Yakubu Mu'azu was accepted for DYK after me and another user did a copy-edit. Joe Chill (talk) 22:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Ready for even a bigger challenge!
Hello again fellow Bilateral_relations_task_force member, remember merging all those articles at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_International_relations/Bilateral_relations_task_force? It was just a primer for something ten times bigger. :) Wikipedia_talk:INCUBATE Category:All_unreferenced_BLPs I need help :) Are you up to it? I am asking our other friends too. Please message me at Wikipedia_talk:INCUBATE Ikip 10:38, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Gbedu
OK then Nigerian expert, can you expand this? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 22:03, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that's better that expected. excellent work!! I can see you are a Nigeriaophile that's why I asked. Actually I have some infoboxes to add to Nigerian towns/LGAs to do with cleanup. I gather your main interest is in the Nigerian military or conflicts, does geography and history appeal to you? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 18:52, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Dunno, I should check the bot history see if it made errors elsewhere. I completely share your outlook on African topics on here. Most of us know pathetically little about any African country and as an encyclopedia I think we should be trying to cover the world as evenly as possible and provide knowledhe for countries that most never knew anything about. I can count the active editors working on articles on the whole continent in one hand, this is why every single editor who has access to decent material is extremely valuable on here. I haven't a specific list, but sometime I'l like to go through Category:Cities, towns and villages in Nigeria and all the various state sub cats of it and try to ensure every article is sourced and up to standard. I'll begin with adding infoboxes/maps but if I had your assistance in trying to get a minimum quality for towns in Nigeria this would be great. You dodn't have to spend ages on each article just ensuring that we try to make them more consistent... I know little about Nigeria either but if I wanted to learn about most of its towns, at present these articles are very poor indeed.. For instance Guyuk, Nigeria. I click the article hoping to actually learn something and you end up feeling disappointed....Even major cities like Yola, Nigeria have no reference whatsoever!! Dr. Blofeld       White cat 19:31, 30 January 2010 (UTC) Your work is admirable. I can see now that once you get interested in a topic you have to develop it!! Perhaps some time soon you may find the town articles attractive. Personally I don't mind what it is you are working on although for me the Nigerian towns are in desperate need of attention by a resourceful editor. Anybody working on anything African on here is always a plus. Keep up the good work! Dr. Blofeld       White cat 22:19, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

EWUB
How dare people oppose your unreferenced BLP assessment recommendation! I thought it was interesting. Can it be used to help me make better stock picks? I did wonder about the idea that the more people view an article the more valuable it is. I think some of our most viewed articles aren't especially valuable and some of our least viewed articles are enormously valuable. For example, it's easy to find information on popular subjects elsewhere, but if I wan to know more about Kokoro, where can I get such a wealth of information all in one place (even if it's hidden at a disambiguation page since a couple people freaked when I suggested disambiguating the main article page)? ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:23, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw an article about newspaper article about kokorats and thought of you as I wondered if it had anything to do with any of the meanings of kokoro? ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:11, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Georgia
Hi, LOL yes I spent all Christmas at Piz Gloria but I have a retreat somehwere in a TIbetan mountainside to retreat and plot my summer attack. LOL. On a serious note I have alot of experience with geo articles on here and actually falling rain is currently waiting to be black listed from wikipedia. The reason being the population data is grossly inaccurate, for instance a town of 35,000 in Tibet according to reliable government sources. Falling rain claimed it had 750 people in a 7 kilometres radius. Even the altoitude data has often been shown unreliable. One instance is a small town on the west coast of Madagascar is barely above sea level. Falling rain claimed it was at something like 360 metres. It has also been shown inconsistent with more upto date google earth altitude data. The information is 15 years out of date, main of the "cities" are barely hamlets or no longer exist/often have incorrect spellings or the railways lines/roads on the map are dinosaur age. Overall it is not to be trusted. The only think generaly reliable is the coordinates and dinstance between settlements. I'll upload that image for you if you like. It depend on how big the district is. If it is say a district of like 3600 square kilometres then it would be appropriate for a seperate article. But if it is say 300 square kilometres and it is the main town then it might be reasonable to include them in the same, providing you also try to mention other settlements within the area or make it clear it is both a town and district. ‡ Himalayan ‡ ΨMonastery 21:06, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Photo and infobox added. Actually. This provide the basics for district articles. I think in the long term it would be reasoable to create districts seperate from towns. FOr the really small districts though under 100 square km might be reasonable to merge. Actually I'll get on with creating the Districts of Georgia next. ‡ Himalayan ‡ ΨMonastery 21:32, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Actually the districts already exist. Check out Zestaponi District. Your article then should be about the town and the general district info inserted into the district article. Hope this helps. ‡ Himalayan ‡ ΨMonastery 21:47, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Hehe I didn't spot it for a while!! What I'll do then is create Template:Districts of Georgia and connect them all together for navigation purposes. Then I'll go through and add infoboxes and clean em up. A similar thing I plan on doing with the Nigerian LGAs.. ‡ Himalayan ‡ ΨMonastery 22:00, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I've made Template:Districts of Georgia. This should make navigation a bit easier.. ‡ Himalayan ‡ ΨMonastery 22:18, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

"Bilateral" relations articles
Hi. I've noticed that you've turned a number of these so called "bilateral" relations articles into redirects to one country's foreign relations. I'd like you to undo these edits. My reason is that these pages deserve to develop and redirecting them to favor one country over another displays a clear bias of one country over another. A better option would be to delete these pages completely than to insult the non-redirected-to country and its people. Thanks.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 00:58, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * if all of these redirects are undone, many of them would be candidates for deletion, I agree however that there may be bias in redirecting to Foreign relations of X over Y. LibStar (talk) 01:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Then I suppose que sera, sera. Let the bilateral relations deletion wars resume.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 02:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * each one will have to be debated on their merits. LibStar (talk) 02:33, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we should let sleeping dogs lie. I haven't gone thru Aymatth2's contributions with a fine tooth comb, but he appears to have made tremendous improvements to several X-Y relations, while merging a smaller number of such articles to Foreign relations of... type articles. The merged articles didn't say much. All in all, it's fine work. So if no one noticed and objected then, I think it would be prudent to just let it be. Of course, if there are new relevant and noteworthy developments between a particular X-Y pair, then by all means, we can restore and update the article. Or if new sources come to light that cover the topic directly and in detail, then restoring may be warranted. In this regard, I think Aymatth was right to redirect China-Denmark relations back in June, and Cdog was correct to restore and expand the article In January. But this is the exception not the rule: it would be counter productive to do a mass restoration of the articles redirected by Aymatth so long ago. Yilloslime T C  07:28, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I think I fixed up 10 or more articles, can't remember. Colombia-Ireland relations, Greece-Nigeria relations, Lebanon-Uruguay relations, Bulgaria–Uzbekistan relations and various others were sort of marginal, stretching it a bit, just for fun. Abkhazia-Germany relations, Algerian-Greek relations, Egypt-Mongolia relations were interesting. Canada-Haiti relations and Malaysia-Philippines relations were clearly and incontrovertibly notable. Sad thing is that nobody has added anything much since to these two. I started a few new ones: Egypt–Libya relations, Botswana–Namibia relations (got a DYK), Maldives–Sri Lanka relations, Ethiopia–People's Republic of China relations, maybe one or two others. There are many other pairings where there is plenty of material for articles full of information but nobody has bothered - much more worthwhile in my view than salvaging the obscure stubs. I merged several hundred stubs, probably more than 500, can't remember. They all had very much the same form: date started and locations of the respective embassies. I don't think I merged any that had much more information than that. No problem if someone wants to revert the redirect and add content, as with China-Denmark relations. Waste of time in my view to just revert and open up another AfD debate. There is more useful stuff to do. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:27, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Lengthy reply
A long time ago, half a year ago, I merged a lot of stubs into parent articles to defuse a dispute over a collection of trivial "bilateral relations" articles that one user had generated semi-automatically and that were being steadily fed into AfD, generating massive discussion. My guess is that each article took 5 minutes or less to create and triggered 10 hours or more of debate. Most of the trivial bilateral relations stubs did not qualify for retention, although some may have had potential. Apart from frantic last-minute salvage jobs (I did some) most editors involved in the debates seemed more interested in repeating their positions on points of principle than in doing anything to improve the content.

I merged the content from each stub into the "foreign relations of" article for both countries, and turned the stub into a redirect to the "foreign relations of" article for the country that came first in the alphabet. The small amount of information in the stubs is preserved, and anyone searching on the country-pair name will find it. The bias is that Algeria gets more redirects than Zimbabwe. A simple solution is to create mirror redirects, since the same trivial information is held in both parent articles. You could do that if bias is your concern:
 * A-X relations -> Foreign relations of A
 * X-A relations -> Foreign relations of X

Most editors have less problem expanding a redirect into a full article than in creating an article when they get a big red warning that it has been previously deleted. Most readers will be mildly irritated if they follow a link to an article that gives no information. If anyone wants to start an article on Costa Rica-Mongolia relations and has sources that show this is a notable subject, they should not be discouraged. Until then, the redirect is a better way to park what is know about the subject than the AfD queue.

I encourage you to expand any of these redirects into full articles if you have sufficient material to demonstrate notability. I cannot support reverting to the original stub, which would be counterproductive. As LibStar points out, without more content many would be candidates for deletion. If you are interested in contributing valuable articles, I encourage you to check the map of Africa. Take a country, the DRC for example, and check for articles on bilateral relations with its neighbors. Perhaps limit your search to relations with countries with which the DRC has been involved in a major armed conflict in the last 10 years. Look for real, live relations, red in tooth and claw. This may be more productive than trying to revive articles on relations between small and distant countries like Lebanon and Uruguay.

That was a bad example. I am tired of the subject and may not contribute further. Wikipedia has a growing backlog of important work and a growing shortage of constructive editors. Simply maintaining existing articles is becoming an increasing challenge. There is a risk that the project will collapse under its own weight. Do what you feel best. Aymatth2 (talk) 02:41, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Comments

 * Support renewing the bilateral relations feuding. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:40, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Hey Aymatth2, I don't mean to be antagonistic, but I don't think your template-code system is a good idea, and, as far as I know, there's never been any discussion as to whether it should be used. So I've gone ahead and reverted your addition of the template and coded comment (C4) at Articles for deletion/Ireland–Pakistan relations. I was going to replace it with what it decoded to, but when I looked it up it was: "Bandy is an important sport in several countries, and competing in the world Bandy championships is enough to establish a notable relationship," which seems a little WP:POINTY, some may even say uncivil, but maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way. At any rate, I felt weird adding such a potentially pot-stirring comment for someone else, so opted to just remove the template and your "C4" and leave it at that. If you want add your comment written out sans template, that's fine by me. Yilloslime T C  07:02, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree witl Yilloslime, K1, K3 and K4 are just plain silly arguments. use of a template just encourages people to do WP:JUSTAVOTE without even reading the article or AfD. LibStar (talk) 07:05, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem. I was just in a facetious mood. I can see the same old tired arguments getting hauled out again. "There are lots of sources, just nobody has added them", "None of the sources talk about the relationship itself" etc. Seems like a waste of effort. Most of the articles would do no harm if kept, but do not meet criteria for being kept unless they are fixed up. I should try to stay out of it. Yes, the template is silly and could be insulting. Thanks for removing it, Aymatth2 (talk) 13:50, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Deletionism and such
I wouldn't get disheartened by those AfD debates and stay away, because you may have a good argument to offer in an article's defense! A properly-closed AfD looks at the strengths of those arguments more than the number of thoughtless !votes and bickering back and forth, after all. And even if an article is deleted, the knowledge is still going to be preserved. I'm not talking about the fact that deleted articles are still existing on a server somewhere (although this is true) - I mean that the knowledge isn't going to vanish from the human consciousness in light of a hasty delete here. If a topic is notable, I think it's reasonable to assume it will continue to be notable, and will sooner or later be recreated as an article. Yes, some articles are deleted due to a bad close, but I really think if that deletion hadn't been overturned, the article would have shown up again in some form, sooner or later. On a personal note, when I participate in an AfD I pay more attention to arguments that run against my opinion, because it's a good way to see if my arguments hold water. Just a thought to consider! --otherlleft 15:07, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I think a more likely possibility is, just as people test whether consensus has changed by a second afd, we after a time consider restoring possible articles. This requires keeping track of them, but i and most admins will undelete to user space of a user in good standing if there are no problems like copyvio or libel, and there's some evidence of additional sources. I wonder what would happen if it were done systematically,  when appropriate--if someone looked at the deleted articles in their various places in the web, and ran quick G News (or whatever) searches.      DGG ( talk ) 17:13, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I want to thank you for not taking my remarks as negative.   DGG ( talk ) 17:13, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If you ever crave working on a mountain article, I'm drafting one that could use a map. ;)  All the best.  --otherlleft 17:17, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

LGAs
Now if we could get every LGA article looking like Konduga...... ‡ Himalayan ‡ ΨMonastery 00:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK credits for Gbedu
Victor Omololu-Olunloyo I really want the family part back as there are 4 notable members in there especially Folake and Kemi along with Shola and KJ. Someone has been posting derogatory messages on there and I learned that Folake was also getting horrible things posted in a Facebook forum. Is there anyway the page could be padlocked and only certain admins can edit?--AK 03:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akiomoawo (talk • contribs)

Walden Pond
Imagine my surprise to find that Henry David Thoreau journeyed from his transcendentalist home to weigh in on my behalf. Touching. And I tip my hat to him. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

ArbCom case
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Final discussion for Requests for comment/Biographies of living people
Hello, I note that you have commented on the first phase of Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

As this RFC closes, there are two proposals being considered:
 * 1) Proposal to Close This RfC
 * 2) Alternate proposal to close this RFC: we don't need a whole new layer of bureaucracy

Your opinion on this is welcome. Okip  02:08, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

New articles
Thanks very much for creating those new articles. It's an interesting subject grouping. I enjoy seeing how the threads tie together in the tapestry of history. The pacificism during WWII issues are also interesting. Cheerios. Take care of yourself and enjoy life. :) Always. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:22, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Hahaha, I just read your comment on Glane23's page. That poem has to do with foreboding about the second coming and destruction of the world by some sort of demon, if I'm not mistaken. I followed it up with another poem that is apropos of not much, but it's kind of pretty., so with a little imagination we can stretch and see that it all fits perfectly. Sort of like pickles, electric guitars, fishing and the relations between Iceland and South Korea. Or roadkill cuisine. What are those popover meat pies and their special casserole dishes called again? Lovely stuff. Today is National Pig Day by the way, so this year's bacon challenge is wrapping up. Bu tI started a page for next year's if you want to get a head start. Also, there's a new yogurt place I found with great flavors and toppings. Let me know when you're in town. And kudos on that whole Olympics thing. Your countrymen&women got rave reviews, even as the Yanks quibbles about this and that (apparently we're quite shocked by women hockey players with cigars and beers). The men's hockey game looks like it was a close one. I stopped watching after our defenseman cleared the puck to the crease. :) I get enough of the morons "elsewhere". ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:07, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

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Fidelis is going Back in Time
Any idea how the guy began in office in 1994 and his final term ended in 1986? ‡ Himalayan ‡ ΨMonastery 20:45, 4 March 2010 (UTC) ‡ Himalayan ‡ ΨMonastery 21:20, 4 March 2010 (UTC).ynnuf etiuq si taht LOL

Climate change denial
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Thanks for your note
Not sure if it was sarcastic or not, but nice of you to spend the time and drop by either way. Happy trails! LilHelpa (talk) 20:40, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh... due to the nature of my work, I didn't realize they were all yours. LilHelpa (talk) 21:09, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

RfC on the mass deletion of Nigerian politician articles has begun
The RfC on mass deletion of Nigerian politician articles was started March 8 and is set to run for 28 days or until it can be closed in a manner consistent with the outcome I desire. There is a concern that these subjects do not contain sufficient popular interest to merit inclusion and that they are entirely lacking in Simpsons references. Please note that the existing status quo lack coverage for these foreign article subjects needs strong consensus if it is to be overturned. Up to this point we've worked out something of a compromise that dependeds largely on the principle that no one would bother to create articles on these subjects.

Also note that, although the RfC in 'poll format' (Support, Oppose, and Neutral, with Comments  underneath), it is essentially rigged. But feel free to offer an opinion anyway.

Whatever you vote, your vote is welcome whether it will be counted is another issue entirely !

Regards, ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:54, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


 * This is disturbing news. I do not care so much about the articles that have good sources, because they are essentially redundant - the information is available elsewhere. But if the unsourced articles are put up for deletion, I would fight the cabal on the issue - not that I would win, but on principle. That would be a serious destruction of information that may exist nowhere except on Wikipedia. Aymatth2 (talk) 23:00, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

re: ghost
sorry, I should have known that me adding anything to the page (no matter how innocuous) would produce an instant backlash. damned fools are out for my blood. you did a lot of good work there, and I hope you can reinstate most of it. I'll try not to let my mere presence cause any further problems for you. -- Ludwigs 2 18:41, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmmmm. I think DreamGuy is hostile to the re-organization of the article, not to L2's addition of a photograph. If you argue your case on the talk page you should be able to get support from other editors for your work to be restored. Xanthoxyl  &lt; 19:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I strayed into this. It seemed like an interesting subject but a bit lop-sided, needing more on ghosts in different cultures. I started adding stuff, rearranging, and suddenly the mines began to explode! Sort of amusing though. I never realized it was a subject that caused so much passion. I don't know if I care enough to argue about adding the material back. Maybe the new stuff can go into a couple of other articles, and this one stays lop-sided. Let's see what happens. :~} Aymatth2 (talk) 19:25, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Some sort of tedious feud is playing out. Ghost is the MacGuffin. Just wait a bit. Xanthoxyl  &lt; 19:59, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree. Took me a while to understand the disturbance was actually a set of former allies/enemies settling old scores, and nothing to do with Ghost, which was just a convenient public space to carry out their personal kabuki drama. It's best to avoid getting pulled into it by the undertow. - LuckyLouie (talk) 14:38, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * MacGuffin is a new one to me. I like it! On the positive side, there are now first-cut articles for ghosts in Mesopotamia, Ancient Egypt, Tibet and Polynesia. None of them are great, but a start. Polynesia has particularly interesting folklore and could definitely use expansion. I may play with it. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:34, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Transclusions of lead sections
I've seen this done a few times. As you can see from my comment here, I think this needs to be avoided at all costs (I once thought it was a good idea, but I now think there are too many problems with the idea). But I'm not sure where it should be discussed. WP:SUMMARY possibly, so I'll go and ask there. Carcharoth (talk) 17:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand what you are saying, but I think the confusion created in page histories outweighs the benefits. I don't think this would ever be accepted on a featured article, for instance. Better to ensure that the articles are synchronised properly, rather than transcluded. And how do references work when transcluded like this? What if they depend on elements in the other article that aren't present in the article where it is being transcluded? Anyway, I've started a discussion here (haven't checked yet to see if you've found that, and meant to drop you a note, but got distracted). Carcharoth (talk) 19:11, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Maritime Academy of Nigeria
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Uphill
Battle I am afraid - it was extensively examined by colonial writers in the malay peninsula during the colonial era - as there was a great pantheon of spirits and ghosts relative to the conditions of the time - there are some, but not all - crossovers into sumatra and java, and as for eastern indonesia and phillipines I think there is s sort of wallace line for ghosts et al - which made me want to push the stop button on the change in the lead para - but hey - some malay world battles are simply not worth wandering into even if you are an admin :( - I will try to help but hey, my research site in java was great - as one informant once told me 'that large rock next to the path was always considered haunted - but when we got electricity most of the locals didnt believe that any more' - interestingly many decades ago the endemic video/b grad movies with the crazy spirits and ghosts of the different forms were standard fare on the overnight buses :) SatuSuro 00:40, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah the cottage i stayed in on the isle of mull last year - owned by a brother and sister - the sister wanted to keep the rowan tree at the front agte, the brother wanted to remove it - if you know anything about the significance of the rowan tree to the superstitious... SatuSuro 02:06, 12 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah venison - way out of my dietary range - we were told not to walk up the mountain behind us (on Mull that is) as it was shooting season (sic), as for the irish - as to whether they are taking the mickey out or putting it in - that is a long long afternoons drink or tirty - that one - SatuSuro 02:24, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

User change
Noted your change comment - see my recents if you want to see my frustration with a recent stub creator who has no interest in WP:RS or WP:N - ah I agree with you so much there but what to when flooded by a sea of non entity indonesian stubs :( SatuSuro 01:38, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ahh for the quiet life :( SatuSuro 02:29, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Re:Ghost: Biblical references & Judæo–Christian belief
Hello Aymatth2! Thank you for the comment on my talk page. I personally do not feel the quote is distracting because it gives the reader an opportunity to read the scripture passage for themselves (just my personal opinion). As of now, I do not think that a separate article should be created. However, you stated that this is "a subject where there is a lot more to be said." I would encourage you to expand the section as it is now and then if there is enough material, we can reevaluate the idea of creating a separate article for the subject. I hope this helps! With regards, AnupamTalk 08:15, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. I understand your point, but as of now I do not think there is enough material within that section to warrant the creation of a separate article. If someone else takes the liberty of expanding that section greatly, I think we can discuss the creation of a new article. I thought it would be important to add the material I did, because it places ghosts within the religious framework, which many are often curious of. I have recently added some new information to the article. It was nice hearing from you. With regards, AnupamTalk 03:41, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Rollback
No problem. As I say to everyone who gets rollback from me, self-evident and obvious vandalism only please. See WP:ROLLBACK for more info. -- zzuuzz (talk) 07:39, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

2010 eruptions of Eyjafjallajökull
Hello Aymatth2, Good vandal whacking there but the 'editor' had made two quick edits, and you got the second one. I got the other. :-) Thought you might be interested, so see DIFF if so. I see you are busy, so I apologise for interrupting the 'battle'. Cry Havoc!.., Regards, --220.101.28.25 (talk) 13:28, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's amazing how people get their 'jollies'! Have fun with 'Huggle', I believe it's a lot easier than doing it all manually!--220.101.28.25 (talk) 14:15, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Mafia
Hi .Aynatth2, You eliminated my writing in the article of Mafia, it indicated by authoritative reference, why did you such a thing? Can you help me make sense of that?--A Japanologist (talk) 04:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

FYI
Redirects_for_discussion. Pcap ping  02:58, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Nigerian state governors
Yes, I suppose you are right. Change it in due course. Although Namadi Sambo's page probably shouldnt list him as VP already, what do you think?

Although i dont understand this "show all governors who held office in the 2007-2011 term, not just the current governors" There is only 1 governor listed (the current one) for all states. the respective "list" pages has all of themLihaas (talk) 13:56, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah okay, i get it now. Agreed with you on the first part. But for the multiple (perhaps redundant) templates, should we keep adding more and more templates? Maybe a "see also" link to a central page like List of all Nigerian state governors. or perhaps a central template for "current term"? Lihaas (talk) 14:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * But you dont want to set precedence for something that we already acknowledge will be "tricky." Its good as it stands, just term 1 template as such and then the list page can include it. The period can be put on the page instead of template(Lihaas (talk) 15:07, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, it seemed odd-somewhat. I agree with your first ascertation that we should hold off till the confirmation (should it come). But I was questioning the efficacy of creating many templates. The Foreign relations of Pakistan is one such page that has redundant templates (not saying yours are redundant, just showing it can be a mess). Maybe reformat the above mentioned "list of all governors..." page to include that so either a see also could cover it or a link from 1 template can cover that. How does that sound?Lihaas (talk) 17:08, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with virtually everything you said, especially the lack of maintenance. My only concern was that it adds a long line of templates after templates when it could be merged into 1 with an "index" page.
 * At any rate, if doesnt look good we can always request it be deleted. No harm in trying out ;) (Lihaas (talk) 19:30, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, my whole arguement is changed. I haven't seen a table/vertical template. think its neat. Lihaas (talk) 20:47, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Mate, who do you think u are to say that my edits are unconstructive. Get real —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.60.240 (talk) 01:15, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Russell Pearce
I removed a section because it was not encyclopediac but simply formatted like campaign talking points. I explained those reasons in the removal. Rather than revert my edit without comments, or misrepresent them as vandalism, I would appreciate if you would simply clean up the section in question, format it properly and resubmit it. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.246.153 (talk) 01:12, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I have made no judgments whatsoever relative to either agreeing with or disagreeing with the positions expressed in his bulletpoints taken from his webpage. It's irrelevant. I am simply pointing out that campaign bulletpoints are not consistent with the way Wiki formats encyclopedic articles. Apparently you agree. So why not just fix it? Format his bulletpoints so they are consistent with the encyclopedia, rather than simply reverting my edits and misrepresenting them as vandalism. Otherwise the bulletpoints are very likely to end up being removed and tagged for proper formatting by an admin anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.246.153 (talk) 01:44, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Damishi Sango
Hello, I am not pleased with your very limited version of damishi sangos biography. The information i have added, is much more richer, credible and balanced than yours. You merely write things and site them inadequately without giving the context for which they belong. how can you edit such vital information as where he was born, where he was baptised, how many children he has just because you dont have any internet sources. well i have his cv here in my hand if that is credible enough for you. My version is a more accurate version, if u feel offended that i removed ur poorly informing version, then i can restore the references, but i will not allow people to write whatever they want about me when i am still alive. Samejohnton —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samejohnton (talk • contribs) 13:19, 23 May 2010 (UTC)