User talk:AzaToth/Archive April 2009

Clock gadget
Hi, I was just wondering if it was possible to get the clock gadget in the toolbar to display local times? I've kinda got used to it being there, but now the clocks have gone forward for summer (where I am, anyway) it's a bit wierd having it show the "wrong" time. Cheers either way! PC78 (talk) 10:05, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

New Ribbon
Can you make this into a ribbon? -- The New  Mikemoral  ♪♫ 01:27, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Your 2007 #time bug report
In your bug report, you stated "#time is the only way to make templates which are intuitive to use and still look nice". I couldn't agree more with you. Although #time is still tricky to use, I have succeeded in creating a family of plain text date templates that overcome most of these limitations.

Unfortunately, I have run into a bit of a catch 22. My situation is that MOSNUM recommends the numerically oriented birth and templates, and there is no consensus to change the guidance. Further, since there is vocal opposition for any use of plain text dates in any template, and so it would be futile to attempt a merge the functionality into the old templates (which is problematic anyway due to the paradigm differences). Mass reversions of instances of the plain text versions of the template would win in ANI disputes due to the MOSNUM guidance. The catch 22 is that I believe in consensus, but the perverse outcome is that since consensus for changing the MOSNUM guidance or these two protected templates is impossible, the opposing POV has a free hand to go on a campaign of eradication of the plain text versions of the templates. It is a de facto ban on plain text dates for these templates.

Up until now, there have been some who have been supportive of the idea of intuitive date templates, but they have not been posting, so from one point of view, I can be seen as lone voice/ an author of some templates who wants to foist them on an unreceptive community. It may be correct- maybe it will become clear that the general community sees the issue as no big deal or the benefits are not worth the cost of a new family of templates employing a different syntax paradigm. There are some opposing arguments that reasonable people could hold that support this outcome. For example:
 * 1) WP already has too many date templates that do the same thing. We need fewer, not more.  Date template usage needs to be rationalized, and those that are redundant should be TFD'd.
 * 2) Ideally, metadata should flow between the various wikipedias in a language neutral form, eg the current numeric syntax or ISO8601.
 * 3) The new templates make it easier to violate MOSNUM guidelines since #event recognizes dates that violate punctuation rules or are not in day first or month first form.
 * 4) The new templates allow the user to use linked dates. This is compelling for many who want linked dates abolished, but some of those who favor linked dates are also opposed.  This is because the old templates formerly always emitted linked dates.  The plain text syntax makes this optionally overridable.
 * 5) Addressing Usability issues is a long overdue at wikipedia, and obscure syntax of templates is only one of many problems that blocks the goal that "anyone can be an editor". Plain text templates are just a bandaid over an archaic editing paradigm that the foundation now has resources to properly address.

This may not be a representative sample- I omit a few more arguments that some feel strongly about in the interest of space. Anyway, despite your interest in intuitive templates, you may or may not find the opposing arguments persuasive and may see a third way to bring together opposing POVs. Down the road, my plan is to post an RFC after the Arbcom ruling on date autoformating, which could depending on its scope could be said to dramatically change community opinion, necessitating a further RFC.

Anyway, if you still have an interest in date manipulations, the current discussion is at the end of this section. I'd like to hear your views on the subject, either for or against. Regards, -J JMesserly (talk) 19:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Help
Hello. I am the administrator on sr.wikinews.org, and I need your help. I hope that I have addressed the right person. If I have grammatical errors, please do not objection me - I do not speak English very well. I am interested in your tags, and I would like to put them in sr.wikinews. If you agree, I would do the translation in Serbian. Tell me only, which font you used. --Milens (talk) 16:37, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Those are .svg files, meaning that they are rasterized by MediaWiki. You don't need to find the font, just download the source file of e.g. commons:File:Wikinews-breaking-news.svg, open it with a text editor, search for "BREAKING" and "NEWS", translate them. You could also download Inkscape and do it with that. Best I can tell Bitstream Vera Sans (the font used) is supporting the Serbian alphabet, otherwise you'd have to change the font. I'd assume that the MediaWiki rasterizer supports the DejaVu fonts, so I'd try "DejaVu Sans". If you have trouble it that feel free to post the translations of the texts here and I'll upload the images. Amalthea  17:26, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Ifndef
Template:Ifndef has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — This, that, and the other [talk] 09:52, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Qif
Template:Qif has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — This, that, and the other [talk] 09:56, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Recurse
What is it, in the context of AFD? — This, that, and the other [talk] 04:16, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Never mind. — This, that, and the other [talk] 07:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Template:2009 swine flu outbreak table
Can you help us fix this table? When you reverted I had just finished fixing the lines (please correct me if I am wrong).

If  is a concern, isn't there a way we can reformat it so it is the old way? Ikip (talk) 01:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You need to recreate the new layout while still using a table layout, also remember that the data must be accessible. → Aza Toth 01:04, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I will try. I am fairly good and tables, but this will be a challenge. Ikip (talk) 01:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)