User talk:AzaToth/Archive January 2008

TW Rollback question
Hi

I've noticed a behavior using Twinkle that I'm not sure is intentional, a bug, or my misunderstanding.

If there are intervening vandalism edits between the current version and the version you want to restore, as shown in history, I have to use [restore this version] function on the left side, as the three rollback functions (AGF, Norm, Vandal) over the current version side apparently assumes the next older version from the current one is the correct one to restore, regardless of what version is selected on the older edit side of the window. Is this correct, and if so, is there a way to use the diff versions as shown in the window for rollback, so you could rollback to any particular version instead of only the next older one? Using latest Firefox, if that makes a difference. Thanks. BTW, I really like TW, and use it. — Becksguy (talk) 07:32, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, that's true, the rollback doesn't base it's decission on what's shown, but what data that has been given via the api. → Aza Toth 12:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Image tagging project - relevant to you
Hello, I was asked to notify you and other people that tag images, or run image tagging scripts, of this. Please check out WP:TODAY, which grew off of the recent AN conversation. You will be particularly interested in this section: TODAY. Please weigh in on the talk page there? And if possible, let me know who else should know about this? Lawrence Cohen 18:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

List of Touhou Project characters
...Why...did you delete all the pictures from that list while all the images there are copyrighted free use, with all the relevant information in place? There wasn't even deletion notices and all, and you just speedied them for "cypyright violation"? _dk (talk) 01:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * See Administrators%27_noticeboard. Gimmetrow 06:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

My protest against a new feature of Twinkle
I'm sorry to bother you, AzaToth, but I thought this discussion was important enough to highlight it for you, in case you hadn't noticed it: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Twinkle. Your input is appreciated. Thanks. Grand master  ka  00:42, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I really doesn't understand the question. → Aza Toth 00:49, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The question is, why is deleting an entire watchlist worth of articles a feature in Twinkle when it has no practical use I can see and can cause tremendous damage? Grand  master  ka  01:23, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Twinkle rollback bug?
Saw the new rollback features this morning and thought they were very nice. I like to be able to tag a vandalism edit as "spam", "blank", or "unsourced". Anyway, I have two questions regarding these new rollback links. When I click on it, it says "data loading..." but never reverts. This is on my userpage. Thanks in advance. N F 24 (radio me!) 13:49, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) There is no AGF rollback link anymore. Was this intentional?
 * 2) There are now two "restore this version" links. The bottom one reverts to the selected version, like usual, but the top one shows the following on the status bar when I mouse over it:
 * Sorry, I'm not fully with you here. → Aza Toth 17:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, this morning (around 13:00 UTC), there was a couple of new diff rollback links: rb (SPAM), rb (BLANK), and rb (UNSOURCED). That increased the number of links on the right side of the diff, causing them to fill up two lines, which in turn caused two "restore this version" links to appear on the left side of a diff. Only one of them worked correctly. The other one put "null" where the revision id was supposed to be. The reason I say "this morning" is because the links aren't there anymore. N F 24 (radio me!) 19:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's not my doing I'm afraid. → Aza Toth 20:05, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that's odd. twinklediff.js hasn't been edited since Christmas. I must be going crazy. Darn, and I took a screenshot too! Oh, well. Sorry to bother you. N F 24 (radio me!) 20:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha, no problem :) → Aza Toth 20:53, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Inappropriate block - remove inappropriate boldface
Was there a rule on Bold Fonts I wasn't aware of? Duhman0009 (talk) 17:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It doesn't add to the discussion. Think if everyone would mark all their text with bold face. Perhaps inappropriate was the wrong word, perhaps "unneeded" is better. → Aza Toth 17:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I only added Bold Fonts because I was late in replying to all of these people (well I couldn't post at all yesterday without relying on proxy servers :P). Wikipedia should seriously think of some other way for people to post their discussions, it gets very confusing once the topic gets many replies.Duhman0009 (talk) 17:42, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Javascript - can you help?
I recently ran into a problem with on-demand loading of Javascript. At the commons, this is done using includePage from commons:MediaWiki:Common.js, which just writes a &lt;script&gt; tag into the document. That causes problems with ansynchronous loading if an included script includes yet other scripts.

Following snippet illustrates the problem: in some file Foo.js:

includePage ('Bar.js'); if (some_function_from_bar ) { ...   }

The call to some_function_from_bar may fail if Bar.js</tt> has not been fully loaded yet. A real-world example is at commons:mediaWiki:DelReqHandler.js, which includes <tt>MediaWiki:Utilities</tt> and then immediately called a function <tt>userIsInGroup</tt> defined in that file.

I notice that here at MediaWiki:Common.js, <tt>includeScript</tt> modifies the DOM by inserting a script element into the head. (And it also checks to see whether the file was already loaded.) Does this method also have this problem with asynchronous loads?

If so, do you know of any way of making includePage (or includeScript) return only once the file has been fully loaded? One way I know of (at least if the included file is in the same domain) is to use a synchronous XMLHttpRequest to get the script's text and then eval it, but AFAIK that bypasses the browser cache and of course it also fails if XMLHttpRequest is not supported. Another possibility is some coding convention, in which each file announces its availability in a global repository once it's been loaded, and the loader periodically (window.setTimeout?) checks that repository until the file is registered there. But that relies on a coding convention and is thus inherently fragile. I've also seen mention of the <tt>includeScript</tt> method, combined with setting an event handler on <tt>script.onreadystatechange</tt> (script being the DOM element inserted in the head), but that seems to be specific to IE and thus not useful for cross-browser development. Finally, if the include of <tt>Bar.js</tt> is moved out of <tt>Foo.js</tt>, i.e.

includePage ('Bar.js'); includePage ('Foo.js');

and then calling in <tt>Foo.js</tt> a function from <tt>Bar.js</tt>, I think the race condition disappears, but then <tt>Foo.js</tt> cannot be used anymore as a stand-alone file that by itself would pull in anything it needs.

Do you know of any other suggestions/solutions? Lupo 09:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, no, no ,yes, yes, sort of... You can't avoid asynchronous loading of external js pages, the major difference between includeSCript here and includePage on commons, is that the latter destroys well form.

Special Ribbon
Do you have a design for the Special Barnstar? // <font color="Red" face="Trebuchet MS">F 9  T  07:49, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

GAN
Hi Aza, I want to let you know about a decision being made on the Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations page, in case you haven't noticed it. I made a proposal to simplify and streamline the templates used for the review process. I see that doing this will revise and undo a lot of work you did, so I thought I should check in with you. I'm impressed with what you did on a technical and aesthetic level; but I think that the end result is a system that requires new reviewers (especially those who are not technically inclined) to learn too much stuff. Please review the proposal and let us know what you think! -Pete (talk) 03:23, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Twinkle JS errors in IE
Brilliant script, unfortunately it tends to break in IE. The problems are as follows:
 * twinklefluff.js, line 1:
 * Error: 'twinkleConfigExists' is undefined
 * twinklebatchprotect.js, line 73:
 * Error: Syntax error

For the second error, I've merged a few lines together, but the offending character is flagged as the closing bracket. Looks like the commma at the end of line 72 shouldn't be there, and the same applies to lines 76 and 80. Hope this helps. <b style="color:#FF0000;">haz</b> (talk) 19:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * TW wont work under IE. → Aza Toth 23:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm now aware, but would it be possible to modify the master twinkle.js to disable the loading of the Twinkle scripts in IE, for those like me who use multiple browsers? Something like  would work. <b style="color:#FF0000;">haz</b> (talk) 07:56, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't want to resort to any non-standard construct in the script, and generally browser detection are bad. → Aza Toth 12:27, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

AADDRC?
Hi. Not sure what's up with this article, but since you've restored it twice, I wanted to check with you before deleting it for a third time. Are you finished with whatever test you're conducting with it? :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea :) → Aza Toth 21:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Image:WPAbortion-logo.svg
Hi AzaToth. Would you mine vectorizing Image:WPAbortion-logo.png? I tried unsuccessfully as you can see in the previous image <tt>:) </tt>. Thanks, <font face="Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"> Mønobi  21:40, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ → Aza Toth 23:34, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

JSL
"A compatibility library for browsers that lack full support of Javascript 1.6" might be a bit of a weak description. I'm quite sure that 5/6 of that look at the "gadgets" page in their preferences will have no idea what to do with that information. More specific examples for browser age or something might be required? --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 00:07, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's true. I'll look into it. → Aza Toth 00:09, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Can you please restore Andy Beard
User:Jehochman recommended to me to ask you to restore Andy Beard User_talk:Jehochman Thank you, Igor Berger (talk) 01:24, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * restored. → Aza Toth 01:28, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Igor Berger (talk) 01:35, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

may get silence here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Blocking_policy#Proposed_change_to_policy

Is silence consensus? Archtransit (talk) 18:31, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Uh? WP:POINT or? → Aza Toth 18:53, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Twinkle didn't sign my Rfd
Hi. I was just wondering if there was a problem with Twinkle because I submitted a Redirect for discussion and it didn't sign it (I only noticed when SineBot signed it afterwards). Aside from that, Twinkle is great :D. [Jam][talk] 21:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Possible Twinkle bug using CSD on a moved page redirect?
A vandal moved the Second Life article, and after I moved it back I used Twinkle to tag the redirect for speedy deletion. Twinkle then proceeded to notify me on my talk page as the creator of the redirect. Is this a bug, or did I just do something unusual?--CoJaBo (talk) 05:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not a bug, you just marked it as CSD G3 and marked to notify the creator, i.e. you. → Aza Toth 17:14, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Question about Andy Beard
I have added some new infomation to Andy Beard and made some changes. Im your opinion what else can I do to avoid possible deletion? Thank you, Igor Berger (talk) 08:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

TWINKLE self-warning
I recently undid a vandalism pagemove, and then tagged the created pages for speedy deletion using TWINKLE. Unfortunately, it left me a warning on my talk page, requesting that I shouldn't create pages which are pure vandalism, seeing as I was the only contributor on the moved page's history. Could you please add a check to ensure that the script doesn't leave messages on the user's own talk page, and/or warn the user before going ahead with the tag? Thanks. <b style="color:#FF0000;">haz</b> (talk) 18:29, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Pptest.jpg
Thank you for uploading Image:Pptest.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI (talk) 04:03, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Twinkle suggestion
You might want to consider moving all the tabs in twinkle to options under a drop down. I would create my own version with that, but it is all split up, and.... Prodego <sup style="color:darkgreen;">talk  03:45, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for cleaning my talk page. I don't quite know why you did, but I'm grateful! :-) Sam Korn (smoddy) 00:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hehe, I though that as you returned, didn't want to see old irrelevant stuff there :) → Aza Toth 00:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

TWINKLE being discussed on WT:UAA
I know multiple people have asked you to change TWINKLE's code to discourage people from using it to make WP:UAA reports that are unrelated to the username policy. Our request is that you change it so that TWINKLE won't auto-fill in tenuous reasons that sound like policy but aren't; users should choose one of the four kinds of violations on WP:U, and be encouraged to provide a more complete description of why the user should be blocked.

We're discussing the fact that this hasn't happened yet on WT:UAA. Do you have any input on this? I could probably rewrite the JavaScript if the issue is simply that you don't have time to change the code.  r speer  / ɹəəds ɹ  01:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I've must have missed that. → Aza Toth 01:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Twinkle question
AzaToth,

I have a question regarding the automatic templates that Twinkle places on talk pages. For some odd reason, it continues to add the text at the end, like here. Do you know why this is? <font color="#ff0000">Red <font color="#4682b4">Zion <font color="#008000">X 02:31, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably a combo with the new parser and non-updated templates. → Aza Toth 03:19, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Twinkle problem
Hi Carl, I'm getting the following problem with Twinkle: Syntax error while loading: line 73 of linked script at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AAzaToth%2Ftwinklebatchprotect.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript : } --^ I'm using Opera 9.25. Is this my browser's fault, or can this be corrected in Twinkle? -- Lea (talk) 03:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed → Aza Toth 13:14, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Bot
Hi. I have created around 14,000 articles on wikipedia, higher than anybody, and am currently adding Frebnch communes at bot speed around 6 a minute and have requested that my new articles are automatically filtered but noone seems to be concerned. I have addressed this to several people but no one has taken it seriously when I said I was concerned about clogging up new pages even when I am adding general content. I refused adminship long ago but surely I am respected enough to be regarded as admin level in editing. I always add valuable content and most of my articles are referenced except such stubs. Isn't it time somebody made a decision to help new page patrollers by helping them. I;ve contributed tens times more than many adminstrators on wikipedia (107,000 edits) who automatically have their page unmarked -shouldn't mine be the same on a permanent basis? I consistenly add new content to wikipedia which is generally referenced and useful content. Deforestation in Brazil is what I am capable of. It would help patollers a lot. Any idea if you can help me receive permanent clearance? <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦     <font size="-4"><font color="Black">Talk? 23:00, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The only groups that is premarked as patrolled is admins, bots and above, at the moment, the only way for you to get such position would be to be added to such a group, though I'm not sure that it's feasable to add you to the 'bots' group (unless you fell yourself as a bot :)), so at the moment, you would have to apply for adminship. I'll try to report this issue to higher instances, as you said you don't want to become an admin. → Aza Toth 13:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If the user is adding at this speed and volume, and the additions are consistently good quality, the edits are surely bot-assisted or operated. Can we give a second account tagged as "bot" with a talk page explanation, for the high speed additions ("User:BlofeldBotAssisted"?), keeping the normal account for regular editing? If there were a problem it would be noticed as with any bot, and the slight misrepresentation as a bot would be unlikely to confuse anyone or cause any problem. That would be my thought. An excellent case for IAR, assuming its all as described. Thoughts by others? FT2 (Talk 13:15, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes not all my new articles are generated like this. I create a lot of new content but rarely this many a minute. They weren't bot generated, it was just generated quickly thats all. But I believe a User:BaldBot would be best to get the thousands of missing french commune articles started on wikipedia to build. There are a number of areas also where i think it would be wise to created the missing articles quickly and provide a basis to develop them on. A bot account would be very useful for this. Could you set up this account for me asap so I can get to work on the French communes? <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦     <font size="-4"><font color="Black">Talk? 13:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

thank you
thanks for protecting the Ayaan Hirsi Ali article, but the POV vandalism made by the User is now the current version. Is it possible to revert it back to the version before the editing of Leaveout and his/her sockpuppet 76.220.202.205 because now the article is stuck just the way he/she wanted it. Thanks.--AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 13:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hehe, in a dispute, it's a norm to always protect the "wrong version"(tm), i.e. the latest revision. the onlyh think I could do is to revert to an revision that is before any of you started editing the article (so I can be objective). → Aza Toth 13:47, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * thanks. that what i had meant, revert it to the version before the whole thing happened. also, the same user is vandalizing and violating the WP:3RR policy on a related article, Theo van Gogh (film director). Can you revert back to the original version before the editing war and protect that one as well? Thank you.--AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 13:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's allways difficult to find the exact revision when the "edit war" started, sometimes there are an exact revision, sometimes (most often), there are none. I'll see if there are any clear revision available. → Aza Toth 13:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I forgot to mention that 76.221.187.73 is a sock puppet of the same person. All you have to do is look at the edit history and compare it to the other two users and you'll see the edits to the Ayaan Hirsi Ali article. It's totally your call, but appears to be the version before the editing started. This person has made well over 100 edits today to this one article. *cough*BLOCK*cough* ;=) --AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 14:02, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean you suspect a COI violation? → Aza Toth 14:03, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm somewhat new to having a Wikipedia account, so I'm not sure of the details of a COI violation. I just know what sock puppet and 3RR violations are until i get more familiar with the site. lol. sorry if that made me sound like an idiot.--AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 14:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Twinkle issue?
I'm seeing IE report various errors when loading pages; one error of which is "twinklefluff is undefined". I'm thinking that'll be something to do with you. On IE6. not sure what other diagnostics I can give you, but get back to me if you think I can, with prodding, provide better input to yuo. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Twinkle isn't supported under IE, and will probably never be. → Aza Toth 17:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay. That works for me. I was merely engaged in finding out what a bunch of IE errors in wikipedia were, as I'm constrained to use that browser at work :( --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sadly, still, lots of people are :( → Aza Toth 22:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It happens for me with Iceweasel (Firefox) 2.0.0.10:""My monobook.js has only "importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js');" in it. -- Lea (talk) 04:31, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Deleteion
I've deleted your pages now. Are you going into retirement? → Aza Toth 19:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No, just clearing up my userspace (and removing something from the history of my user page that I don't want there) – Gurch 19:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see :) → Aza Toth 19:53, 31 January 2008 (UTC)