User talk:B.Lameira/Archive 4

RE: Lithuania
Thank you for response. You know that system of government is regulated by constitution etc and we must keep to them because presidents still held some powers but practice changed strength of offices. In case of Poland since Komorowski presidency is change towards German model but there was no modification of law. Aight 2009 (talk) 09:28, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

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About Your edit
So please add sources, because most other indicators (excluding IMF) puts Poland into developed category. Don't You think it seems a little bit silly to call such countries like Slovakia, Portugal, Latvia and Lithuania developed economies and Poland doesn't? The most important thing is - this statement is completly true and lack of Poland in only one of theses lists doesn't mean that this country isn't a developed economy. So go on and find some official sources - You'll save a time of editors which not far than tommorrow change it back to where it belongs... thanks NeonFor (talk) 23:45, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Also thank You for answering. Please do not take it personally. I have no intention to making a such call "personal attack". If You're talking about 'GDP per capita' I always believe that the most accurate form of this indicator which realy shows strenght of an economy, is 'GDP (PPP) per capita' and I as far as remmeber, Poland and Portugal are nearrly equal when compare to each other. The other point is: there is no one accurate definition of a term "developed contry" or "developed economy" - it is some kind of 'casual' or 'loosely' term. That's why it is contoversial to call such countries like Czech Rep. Slovakia, Portugal or Lithuania a "developed" and such like Poland or Hungary "developing", beacue all of them are nearly identical in terms of quality of life, economy strenght, infrastructure development etc. And yes - I know that Wiki needs sourced materials. NeonFor (talk) 00:11, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I added sources and changed text a little. For me, now it looks as it should be. What do you think? NeonFor (talk) 15:21, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Tunisia does not fit in the semi-presidential system category
The parliament approves the government, can veto and dismiss it. The president chooses the head of the governement (prime minister) that has to be then approved by the parliament with a vote at the 2/3rds. The head of the government then chooses the government, which is then approved by the parliament the same way before entering into function. The only other role the president have stipulated by the constitution is to be the head of the armies and that's all. Also, the majority of parliamentary republics elect their president directly, the other way around is the rarest and is only true for some countries like south africa. Fumehime (talk) 17:43, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

January 2016
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Proposal on change to the article: Parliamentary system
Hi again, I was thinking of making a bigger change to the parliamentary system page and since you seem to have taken an interest in this article and broader topics of systems of governance and politics in general, I thought I'd ask what you think.

The current categories ("Westminster" vs “Western European”/” Consensus”) are not really that helpful as there are so inconsistent, like Ireland(where I'm from) is designated “Westminster” despite a long history of coalition and/or minority governments, even a grand coalition of the two largest parties in more recent times.

I think if we are going to split them into subtypes (though you could also argue not to split them at all and just merge everything), it would make more sense to split the parliamentary systems by voting system, either some form of majoritarian(winner-take all) voting or some form of proportional representation(multi-winner) system.

Have a look at my sandbox for a draft version.


 * Hi While discussing another topic with B.Lameria I noticed this proposal. The best place to discuss this would be Talk:Parliamentary system. My first thoughts are the voting system used by a parliament and the outcome (majority/minority government) of elections should be characterised separately from the legal/constitutional model of the parliament (Westminster/Western-European model as described in the article). For example, the outcome of elections can change depending on the vote of the electorate and the voting system itself can be changed in a relatively straight-forward way (e.g. United Kingdom Alternative Vote referendum, 2011). The legal/constitutional model of the parliament however arises from its history, the constitution in place and all the conventions that have developed, so is a separate, more fundamental, characteristic. Whizz40 (talk) 10:49, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, you mentioned the electoral system could be changed, I don't see how that's relevant as in most countries almost everything from the big and fundamental to the small and not-so-significant could also be changed by a referendum too.
 * Can you name one fundamental legal/constitutional difference (as in not a convention) common among all Westminster systems that differentiates a Westminster system from a consensus system?
 * Also with historical conventions, like more of an adversarial style, the only legal/constitutional difference this could be attributed to, again come from the way seats are allocated, so again comes back to the voting system.
 * Surely the single most fundamental legal/constitutional difference that will determine the parliamentary style and how a parliament operates is the way the seats are allocated.
 * Though I think you have a point that it should be mentioned as it could be misleading otherwise(the original version is misleading too, in the opposite way), but under a historical context instead as it seems the only common theme that unites countries designated as Westminster system is a historical one not a legal/constitutional one, therefore this should be moved to the history section.(When editing I've also decided that the history section might better be called "Conceptual and institutional development")
 * I've made a new draft in my sandbox, please have a look if you want.
 * Also, as per your suggestion I've created a new section in Talk:Parliamentary system, and I will link in this discussion, so if you’d like to reply again to this discussion, please do so there and thanks for your input. Ranníocóir (talk) 00:04, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-Presidential vs Presidential vs Parliamentary Republics
Hi B.Lameira, I am LionsRule125, I have noticed that you have made changes to lots of pages of countries that regarding their system of government, which is good and I encourages you to do so. But we need to get some facts clear.

1) The way the head of state is elected does not determine the type of government. In most parliamentary systems the president, who is the head of state, is elected by the legislature, but this does not mean there are countries that elect their head of state with a popular vote. For example, countries like the Ireland, Turkey, Iceland and Finland are all parliamentary republics, that elect their President with a popular vote;

2) In presidential systems, the cabinet members cannot be a part of the legislature so the executive is separate from the legislature;

3) You can not really call a country that has a executive president and a ceremonial prime minister responsible to the legislature, a parliamentary republic, because a parliamentary system does not have space for both a executive president and a prime minister.

Hope these make sense to you? And can agree with these? - LionsRule125 (talk) 10:59, 29 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I will try to answer you briefly. 1) Actually, while it does not determine, the lack of direct or indirect election (also includes leader of the winning party becoming president, like in Angola) for the head of the state disqualifies a system from being either presidential or semi-presidential. 2) While I agree this usually happens in presidential systems, the classification of systems of government is based on the power balance between the head of state and the legislature, and the checks and balances. 3) I have no objections to this point, there are prime ministers, that are weak and conduct government business in parliament. But the existence of a prime ministerial post by itself does not make the system semi-presidential either.


 * And they are not facts, they are your POV. My opinion does not matter, as also yours does not, either. Articles on Wikipedia aim to represent what is written by reliable sources and are not intended to represent your point of view. You have been previously warned that you should not edit in order to write your point of view, giving no (reliable) sources and interpreting primary sources, producing original research, which undermines its verifiability, as you did recently on the case of Mongolia. Thanks. --B.Lameira (talk) 22:10, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Clarification on "their"
Hi, I just want to inform you that their is not just a plural it is also used to mean belonging to or associated with a person of unspecified sex as english lacks a separate common-gender third person singular pronoun.
 * Example: "she heard someone blow their nose loudly"

I realise english may not be your first language, so I hope this clarifies it for you.
 * User:B.Lameira, what is your problem with this on the East-Timor article? I'm not saying is't wrong, although some consider it to be but I do say it's unusual and unclear for most (even native) users of the English language. Your initial revert has been challenged. Are you going to open a discussion on that talkpage about how best to use the English language? Remember that lots of people who may not be realizing this particular innovation in English (including native speakers) read these articles as well. Clear language is better. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 20:38, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry User:B.Lameira, but how should I understand that in the light of your most recent addition to my talkpage? Gerard von Hebel (talk) 20:50, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

President of Portugal
Please find out when to use the revert function. Revert is to take it to the earlier version, which means it would be to take it to "representative", which is incorrect, which is why I removed it. Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 05:11, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi B.Lameira. Because I found it odd that you would revert my edit, which was in essence 1) correct and 2) to stop the constant change by other editors, I went to the logs and I see now that you did not 'technically' revert me, but in actual fact took the article a few revisions back, thus indirectly reveeting any edits in between. Regards, Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 08:15, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I also see that you left a note at Talk:Executive (government). Please leave a note at President of Portugal and tag the relevant users and discuss it there. In specific inform to take part, he is a political scientist and is the one with whom you disagree, so perhaps the two of you should first thrash out the question on the that talk page, so that we don't have a continaution of the changes. Thanks. Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 09:49, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of João Corvelo


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Kyrgyz elections
If you're going to move articles like this, can you make sure (a) you move them all rather than just one or two (otherwise we end up with articles at different titles) and (b) that you also fix links on templates like Kyrgyzstani elections. Also, during the Soviet era, the demonym was "Kirghiz" as per Kirghiz SSR. Cheers, Number   5  7  15:01, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I actually intend to do that, currently I am undecided whether to use the name "parliamentary" or "legislative" though, I would like some help to move the articles that are conflicting with redirects. Cheers! --B.Lameira (talk) 15:04, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Let me know which ones. Parliamentary is preferable IMO. Number   5  7  15:14, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * first thing I have done was to rename all presidential elections and, as of now, I am going to rename all referenda pages, leaving parliamentary elections as the last thing to change. --B.Lameira (talk) 15:20, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I will opt for "Parliamentary" as the quick search I have done gave no significant results on being else. --B.Lameira (talk) 16:08, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I cannot move the following page: Kyrgyzstani parliamentary election, 2007, I will need to make a request to move. --B.Lameira (talk) 16:44, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I have moved it. As I suggested above, I would have been happy to do it if you'd asked. Number   5  7  18:17, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Your opinion/s would be welcome here
Reaper7 (talk) 12:18, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Sophia Moestrup for deletion
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Poland's political system
Can you please revert all the changes you did on all these pages, saying that Poland is a semi-presidential system? It is not. While in theory the President appoints the Prime Minister, he is legally required to get parliamentary approval, and it is *always* the leader of the biggest party. The Presidential appointment is really just a formality. Afterwards, the President has around 0 executive power, with veto being his only actual prerogative, other than being a rubber stamp for all sorts of things and making some diplomatic or military appointments, the latter being actually handled by the Ministry. Even if they are from the same party, pretty much everything is handled by the Prime Minister, who is never a creature of the President. The President is usually lower in party hierarchy. MNasiadek (talk) 05:30, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not aim to describe your point of view, just because you disagree with the government type classification, but to represent what is written by reliable sources, relying on what is verifiable by secondary and tertiary sources like, for example, academic papers. I have provided enough secondary sources that demonstrate Poland does not have a system like those of Germany or Italy (where the President's role is very limited). A Polish presidential veto is not a rubber stamp, especially when a three-fifth majority (of deputies in functions) is necessary to override it. I will not revert an edit made with a verifiable source to replace it with something which is unsourced and in popular belief. --B.Lameira (talk) 09:35, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You have provided a grand total of one source from a little known academic paper, and as you changed the status quo, the burden of proof rests with you. Most sources denote Poland as a parliamentary republic, including sources in Polish. Cipika (talk) 11:04, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * There are several, Shugart's paper is just one, Elgie and Moestrup also describe Poland as such, what sources do you have without being news sources and not academic papers that describe Poland as being strictly parliamentary?. --B.Lameira (talk) 12:35, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I have indicated 3 different sources from 4 websites in the article Politics of Poland. I would even say Veser's paper is widely known in academia. --B.Lameira (talk) 12:45, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

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