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Chichester Psalms
Thank you for adding the Saturday performance which mast have been great! - Everything on Wikipedia needs a source or reference. I found two, an announcement and a review. They don't support the harpists and treble, nor that LB's son was in the audience. If you have references for those details, please bring the facts back, but as none of the performers has an article, I don't think mentioning them is needed. The orchestra and the conductor have an article, which I linked to. Happy editing! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:53, 26 November 2018 (UTC)


 * In response to the above comment:
 * I was Head Chorister at Chichester Cathedral in 1964. I was at the 'Chichester Psalms' concert in Chichester Cathedral on Saturday 24 November 2018.  After the performance, I spoke to the conductor (Marin Alsop), the Chichester Cathedral Organist (Charles Harrison, whom I know personally) and the Chichester Head Chorister (Jago Brazier), who sang the treble solo in the concert.  I spoke to Alexander Bernstein (Leonard Bernstein's son), whom I also know, before and after the concert, and also during the interval.  The presence at, and activities of Marin Alsop, Charles Harrison, Jago Brazier and Alexander Bernstein at the concert are recorded in the bachtrack.com review of the concert by Roy Westbrook:  https://bachtrack.com/review-bernstein-chichester-psalms-alsop-bournemouth-symphony-november-2018
 * With regard to the two harpists, I know them both well. I bought them each a coffee and a bag of peanuts (Ruth Faber had plain salted nuts, whereas Eluned Pierce opted for dry roasted nuts) in the Wetherspoons pub, just across the road from the cathedral, about two hours before the concert.  Ruth Faber lives about 100 yards from me, in Saltford (a small town in Somerset, England).  I included the names of the harpists because I have read that the composer, Leonard Bernstein, used to get the harpists to play their parts to the other members of the orchestra at the start of a rehearsal, so that the othe musicians were made aware of the importance of the harp parts.
 * I am fairly new to Wiki-editing. Advice from yourself about how I should be responding to your comment and adding refrences to my edits would be much appreciated.  John Lyon.  B76504 (talk) 00:29, 27 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the reply! I thought that you were familiar with the details, and am sure that they are true. You will have seen that the review that you mention is in the article, - I found it independently. It doesn't mention the harpists and the treble. If they were mentioned in the programme, that could be added. Let's assum, I write how it should be formatted, and you fill it.
 * Was the attendence of former singers mentioned, in a newspaper perhaps? Then we could also mention it, otherwise, sorry, no. Just you and me as eye-witnisses are not considered "reliable sources" (WP:RS). - On talk pages, we indent replies, so when you answer, begin with 3 colons please. - Nice to meet you, I am Gerda. Happy music-making! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:25, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Was the attendence of former singers mentioned, in a newspaper perhaps? Then we could also mention it, otherwise, sorry, no. Just you and me as eye-witnisses are not considered "reliable sources" (WP:RS). - On talk pages, we indent replies, so when you answer, begin with 3 colons please. - Nice to meet you, I am Gerda. Happy music-making! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:25, 27 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Good morning Gerda. Thank you for your reply, and your advice about editing.
 * In your reply, you state "... the article ...   ... doesn't mention the harpists and the treble.".  You are right about the harpists, but not about the treble, Jago Brazier, who is mentioned twice; he is identified as the treble soloist in the fourth paragraph, and his name also appears, with that of Marin Alsop, in the caption under the first photograph, which shows Jago, Marin, and the Organist of Chichester Cathedral, Charles Harrison, taking applause immediately after the performance.
 * The presence of choristers and lay-vicars, who had performed in the UK Premiere in 1965, is also recorded in the fourth paragraph of the bachtrack.com article, which, thanks to your input, is now cited. Their names are Noel Osborne, Keith Ross, David Gibson (who was the Chichester Cathedral Head Chorister in 1965, and sang the treble solo at the UK Premiere of 'Chichester Psalms'), Howard Davies, Tim Nott, David Ruffer, Paul James and Andrew Porter.  I know them all, and saw them stand up when Marin Alsop ask them to do so, half way through the second half of the concert, just before the singing of 'Chichester Psalms' and immediately after Alexander Bernstein had stood up to be acknowledged, also at Marin Alsop's request.
 * I don't suppose my harpist-friends, 'Luny' Pierce and Ruth Faber, will mind, if they are not mentioned in the article, but I do think it is appropriate to include something about some of the original singers having been there on Saturday. Marin Alsop has made quite a thing about them; she mentioned them in a promotional video, which is on the BSO webpage about the concert, she invited them all to be photographed with her during the interval of the concert, and she got them all to stand up and be acknowledged by the audience during the concert.  I shall therefore reinsert some words about them in the article, trusting that, in view of what I have written above, you will not feel the need to cut them out again!
 * Thanks again for your editorial tips. John Lyon.  B76504 (talk) 10:22, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, John, as I read my watchlist backwards, I already cut it out, and I will leave it that way. The article is about Bernstein's music, and after-concert reminiscences are touching, but not encyclopedic, and the bachtrack article is there for people to study details further ;) - I sang the piece, with pleasure. Looking forward to more semicolons, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:11, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, Gerda, I will bow to your experience and knowledge of Wikipedia policy, and will try to resist reinserting anything about the former choristers!
 * By the way, and for my edification, can you please tell me a little about yourself in relation to your Wikipedia editing work? eg: Whereabouts in the world do you live?  What are the subjects towards which you direct your editing talent?  How much of your time is given over to editing?  Do you get any sort of remuneration for your work?  How is it that I got you to knock me into line, rather than someone else?  I ask these things because editing Wikipedia entries, which I know to be incorrect or ambuigously worded, is something I may want to do more of in the future.  Any and all answers to the above questions, and any othe information you may think is relevant, will be gratefully received.  Thanks, John.  B76504 (talk) 11:40, 27 November 2018 (UTC)