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Bolton Wanderers & Gartside
Please see discussion between myself, FisherQueen and 86.174.25.64 at User_talk:86.174.25.64. Also see talk page of Phil Gartside and the edit summaries by myself & FisherQueen for full details of the Gartside nationality dispute. The source you have used at Phil Gartside is not valid, please revert yourself and join the discussion before you make this dispute worse. Thank you John Sloan (view / chat) 14:36, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, see WP:MOSFLAG. Flag icons shouldn't be used in infoboxes anyway! John Sloan (view / chat) 14:39, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

"Do not emphasize nationality without good reason

Wikipedia is not a place for nationalistic pride. Flags are visually striking, and placing a national flag next to something can make its nationality or location seem to be of greater significance than other things. For example, with an English flag next to him, Paul McCartney looks like an "English singer-songwriter from Liverpool who was in the Beatles"; without the flag next to him, he looks like an "English singer-songwriter from Liverpool who was in the Beatles". Emphasizing the importance of a person's citizenship or nationality above their other qualities risks violating Wikipedia's "Neutral point of view" policy."

I think thats quite clear about how pointless and needless the flags are. Please dont put them back as this will then be an edit war, and i'm sure you dont want that! Not because of the troll who started all this (The IP editor). We cant refer to Gartside as Irish without a source, its as simple as that! I know and you know that he his, but on Wikipedia, thats simply not good enough. We also shouldn't be stating Eddie Davies as english without a source either. John Sloan (sorry about logging out, but Wikipedia is giving me some problems at the minute!) Thanks 90.215.157.12 (talk) 15:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC) - Just confirming that this is my IP John Sloan (view / chat) 15:18, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * To be more clear, I normally ignore flag icons on articles to avoid these kind of petty disputes. However, now that Gartsides nationality IS disputed, we cant use his flag in the infobox. It looks very VERY untidy to not have his flag and still have Megson's & Davies's. That is the main reason I have continued to remove the flags. WP:MOSFLAGS is also clear that flags shouldn't be used at all in those types of infoboxes. However, i'm far more concerned with the article of my football team looking clean and tidy. So for me, it has to be ALL flags or NO flags. And since we cant have Gartsides, we shouldn't have any. John Sloan (view / chat) 15:36, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Since you went ahead and reverted again before waiting for my reply here. And since i'm on the verge of breaking WP:3RR, i'm going to ask you very nicely to perform a self-revert and help the article by talking this through more here or on the talk page! Thanks John Sloan (view / chat) 15:40, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, i'll quote it again then:

"Do not emphasize nationality without good reason

Wikipedia is not a place for nationalistic pride. Flags are visually striking, and placing a national flag next to something can make its nationality or location seem to be of greater significance than other things. For example, with an English flag next to him, Paul McCartney looks like an "English singer-songwriter from Liverpool who was in the Beatles"; without the flag next to him, he looks like an "English singer-songwriter from Liverpool who was in the Beatles". Emphasizing the importance of a person's citizenship or nationality above their other qualities risks violating Wikipedia's "Neutral point of view" policy." - WP:MOSFLAG.

I'm now going to ask FisherQueen (who is a sysop) to look over this situation and give her opinion. You seem unwilling to budge and I can no longer continue to edit the article without risk of a block. So until more input can be obtained, this matter seems unresolvable. John Sloan (view / chat) 15:50, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

On Phil Gartside
I think it's a good idea to include his nationality in the biography about him, and I don't really have a problem with a flag identifying his nationality in the article about his team. There seems to be some disagreement about whether Gartside is English or Irish. I searched for a reliable source that would answer the question, but all I could find were various versions of the source you cited- it's a copy of the Wikipedia article! We need a real independent source that can tell us what his nationality is; I couldn't find one, but you might know the sources better. Are you interested in digging through the various newspaper interviews and articles until you find one in which he clearly states his nationality? The articles in question could really use this fact.

My temporary solution to the problem of people edit-warring over the words 'English' and 'Irish' was to remove his nationality entirely until we can find a source that answers the question. You added information, but since you didn't add the reliable source for the information, John had to remove it- I would have done the same thing if I'd noticed it first. It doesn't mean we don't think your information is true, it means that, since there's a lot of disagreement, we really, really need that source. I hope you'll agree that it was a good temporary solution, and help solve the problem- you can be the hero of Wikipedia for a moment if you come up with a newspaper article where he discusses it. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

You have Email
You have a new Email message from me! :-) John Sloan (view / chat) 20:14, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs
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