User talk:BBQboffin

Sierra Nevada
Thanks for your edit to Sierra Nevada, that is an interesting addition. I grew up in California but had never heard anyone object to "the Sierras" and didn't know it had become a point of contention. (Although it was firmly drummed into me that it's never "Frisco".) Cheers! Schazjmd  (talk)  15:33, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

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Irene Byon
hi: thank you for adding the article about Byon. once it is fleshed out you could add a link to it in the "Kenosha unrest" article. but all the diffs prior to 1056012036 are not related to the article and could be restored to your sandbox by a sysop or simply deleted. also, you may want to add her story to MSNBC controversies. thanks for reading. :) 173.87.170.14 (talk) 00:30, 22 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I did add to MSNBC controversies but the "Kenosha unrest" article is protected and I don't have 500 edits yet, so I can't add the link. BBQboffin (talk) 01:19, 23 November 2021 (UTC)


 * yw. i saw the work you did on that controversies page. thank you, sometimes my writing is poor. :) 173.87.170.14 (talk) 07:20, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Irene Byon for deletion
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Thanks
Thanks for the fix on Sierra Nevada. I noticed the coords error but didn't realize it was my edit to "width" in the infobox that caused it. I appreciate you pointing that out. Schazjmd  (talk)  20:40, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Reliable Sources Discussion
Discussion is now taking place at Reliable sources/Noticeboard. tgeorgescu (talk) 02:15, 4 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Well now I can cross “Have one of my edits be the subject of a Wikipedia Noticeboard discussion” off my bucket list! BBQboffin (talk) 03:37, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Women in Red
Hi there, BBQboffin. I noticed you have added the Women in Red user box to your sandbox page. I see you have already created a page on Naomi Tacuyan Underwood. Do you wish to become a member of the project? If so, is there any particular area you wish to contribute to? Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 06:10, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you. As I wrote in my application, I am hoping to add to (or help save by adding good sources) articles relating to journalism, STEM, and civil rights. BBQboffin (talk) 04:13, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Women in Red. Good to see you are interested in women from several different sectors including STEM which is one of this month's priorities. As we are moving into a new registration approach, I have added your name to WikiProject Women in Red/New members. If you have not already done so, you may find it useful to look through our Essays, for example our Ten Simple Rules. Please let me know if you run into any difficulties or need assistance. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 06:06, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started
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I have sent you a note about a page you started
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CE Issues
There are still some issues relating to grammar and a way to reword multiple sentences. For example, the sentence "Waters joined the Hughes Aircraft Company in 1952 and was involved in pioneering research on germanium and silicon bipolar transistors, and filed five patents during this period." can be reworded as "Waters joined the Hughes Aircraft Company in 1952 and was involved in pioneering research on germanium and silicon bipolar transistors; filing five patents during this period." These mistakes should be easy to fix, but I'll leave it to you to fix them. Ray 09:13, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * This is the article I'm referring to: Warren P. Waters - Wikipedia Ray 09:13, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'll reword the sentence, but your rewording appears to me to be an incorrect use of a semicolon, as "filing five patents during this period" is not an independent clause, but "he filed five patents during this period" would be correct. I'll look over the rest and see if I can find more issues. BBQboffin (talk) 16:19, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for November 24
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Rahul Ligma, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page FTX.

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 * Thanks, fixed now. BBQboffin (talk) 07:19, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Sam Brinton
You deleted highly notable information from the lede, citing (1) WP:CRIME and (2) UNDUE. Re. (1), there is nothing (that I can see) in that very long piece saying that someone charged with an offence or having a warrant issued against them cannot have that info in the lede. That article is all about particular major criminals' articles, so isn’t relevant here. Re. (2) this man is the very first "non-binary" high-level appointee in the Govt that we know of and as such anything about him that is untoward is highly notable. Unfortunately for him there is a lot that is untoward about him and his story. He has been charged for the first reported theft and there’s a warrant out for his arrest for the second reported one. That’s two thefts, both of which law enforcement has video evidence for. And that’s not DUE!? smh Boscaswell   talk  06:57, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Rahul Ligma for deletion
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The Wikipedia Asian Month 2022 Barnstar
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Help with removing excessive detail
Hello again - I'm taking up your offer of help! I'm editing a page tagged for having excessive intricate detail and I can see some detail I think I can remove and summarise. I was wondering if when doing this I should paste a record of the original text containing the detail I'm removing on the article's talk page. Or is that not necessary? Breatheforpeace (talk) 02:35, 22 October 2023 (UTC)


 * No need to post the deleted text since the page history saves a record of earlier revisions. If anyone has a beef about your edits, they can revert.  I'd suggest you: (1) make your WP:BOLD removals and condensations and in your edit summary add "see talk page" and (2) explain on the talk page your rationale.  Cheers! BBQboffin (talk) 02:48, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah brilliant, thank you. I also have a question about adding tags for issues - I can't find the insert button to do this - any tips? I'm on iOS, could that be why? Breatheforpeace (talk) 03:15, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't use iOS. When I personally add a tag I click on "Edit source" and add it that way. Maybe ask at the Teahouse? Cheers! BBQboffin (talk) 21:34, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Happy New Year, BBQboffin!


Happy New Year! BBQboffin, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

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Capitalization
Will you tell me why the term is not capitalized? I also added content that is factual and provable. It was deleted. I think it is very important that the world knows Amy Kremer sent a letter in support of the confirmation of one our Supreme Court Justice's. It's a listed document on the U.S. COMMITTEE OF THE JUDICIARY website. EnlightenedIllusions (talk) 18:41, 29 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia has a Manual of Style which provides rules for capitalizations. The United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary page also does not have every letter in every word in caps. The committee itself might use the name in all caps on its letterhead, but that doesn't affect Wikipedia's presentation.
 * As for the inclusion of the Amy Kremer letter, although it may be a fact that she wrote it, why does it merit inclusion on Lindsay Graham's page? You could try adding it to Amy Kremer but it's likely to be removed unless you have a secondary source for it (such as the Washington Post or New York Times reporting the letter). Officeholders have their staffs write and attach their names to hundreds of letters, so why is this particular letter notable and merit inclusion? BBQ  boffingrill me 18:56, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I listed the link and the date. It's a download straight from Committee of the Judiciary.   EnlightenedIllusions (talk) 19:49, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * He was Chairman. So you have a possible traitor associating with a high ranking member approving a Supreme court juctice.   EnlightenedIllusions (talk) 19:53, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The place to discuss the inclusion of the letter would be on the various articles' talk pages, not here. Your case will be strong if you have multiple WP:SECONDARY reliable sources, rather than just the WP:PRIMARY source (the letter on the Committee website). Cheers! BBQ  boffingrill me 21:00, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * " EnlightenedIllusions (talk) 21:12, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Did you look for it before you deleted? EnlightenedIllusions (talk) 21:20, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I did not. The WP:ONUS is on you. BBQ  boffingrill me 18:00, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You asked! https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/grill EnlightenedIllusions (talk) 18:12, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * OCTOBER 12TH 2020! U.S. COMMITTEE of the JUDICIARY.   Downloadable! EnlightenedIllusions (talk) 18:15, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Staight from the source. EnlightenedIllusions (talk) 18:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I emailed Mr. Graham. The response was he is only responsible for answering questions from members of his State.  Feinstein... I will never speak to Amy Kremer for good reason.   EnlightenedIllusions (talk) 18:35, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Per WP:ONUS verifiability does not guarantee inclusion. I'd suggest you read Wikipedia policies on WP:PRIMARY and WP:SECONDARY sources as I think you have some confusion there. And again, please take your arguments for inclusion to an article talk page and not my personal talk page. Cheers! BBQ  boffingrill me 19:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I guess facts don't matter! EnlightenedIllusions (talk) 19:24, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * This is news!!! Roll the tape! EnlightenedIllusions (talk) 19:25, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It might be news, but this is an encyclopedia, not a news site. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:11, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the drive!
Welcome, welcome, welcome BBQboffin! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles. CactiStaccingCrane (talk)18:39, 1 February 2024 UTC //en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BBQboffin&action=purge refresh via JWB and Geardona (talk to me?)

Blake Masters
You're removing sourced information from the lead and claiming it's a BLP violation. That's a blatant and transparent excuse for wanting to minimize sourced info that you find "negative" in Masters' article's lead. Talk it to talk, indeed. I think you'll find few editors sympathetic to a politician who hangs around with white supremacists. There are many articles that ID their subjects as white supremacists in the lead, and we're not even talking about that here. Fred Zepelin (talk) 03:52, 24 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Per WP:LEDE we don't need inline sources there since it it supposed to summarize the article, and the source I "removed" is retained in the appropriate section. How to write the lede (and the rest of the article) in a dispassionate manner that accurately and fairly uses the sources is a discussion best had on the consensus talk page. BBQ  boffingrill me 04:51, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * There's a talk page discussion, and you didn't initiate it. You haven't taken part in the talk page discussion that was initiated by another editor. You've continued to try to soften the well-documented support Masters has shown for white supremacists and other far-right fringe figures. What's your goal here? Fred Zepelin (talk) 20:05, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I didn't create the discussion because the WP:ONUS is on the editor that wants to add the disputed content. When one was created, I responded here and you can see from the timestamp that my response predates your erroneous accusation above that I "haven't taken part in the talk page discussion", when in fact, I had. What is my goal here? My goal here is to build an encyclopedia in accordance with policy, and your edit appeared to me to be NPOV and BLP violations and to overstate what the sources say.
 * Also, I suggest you temper your expectations that editors will respond within hours to a discussion. Most of us, myself included, are busy IRL and we volunteer as our time allows. Let's go to the talk page and WP:FOC, and in the coming days, weeks, months and indeed, WP:TENYEARS we'll see what consensus emerges about the content you want to see added. Cheers! BBQ  boffingrill me 01:19, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * What's your goal here? Fred Zepelin (talk) 01:37, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Already answered above. What's yours? BBQ  boffingrill me</b> 03:46, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

February 2024
Hello, I'm Fred Zepelin. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Andrei Cherny, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Fred Zepelin (talk) 04:26, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * As you are fully aware, I added content from a Fortune article written by Andrei Cherney who is the article subject. That his editorial was published in the magazine is significant to his biography, and I believe the content regarding his executive decision to set the minimum wage of his company to $25/hour that I added from the article was appropriate to improve the page, so I added it back, along with the original citation.
 * And please refrain from making further comments on my talk page. BBQ  boffin<b style="color:#F00">grill me</b> 04:44, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

A word on edit summaries
Please read WP:REVTALK: "Edit summaries are not for explaining every detail, writing essays about "the truth", or long-winded arguments with fellow editors. For discussions, you should use the talk page." You appear to be doing the opposite at Andrei Cherny. Fred Zepelin (talk) 04:38, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * and show the edit summaries I made. My first edit summary was: The Fortune editorial is written by Cherny himself; he is the article subject, and so the inclusion is improves the biography. See talk page as this was a suggested addition by another editor. and then I make a correction with a second (dummy edit) to say: Correction to my previous comment: the Fortune source was posted on the talk page by another editor, not the specific addition of the "minimum wage" content. I made a mistake with the first comment and so I wanted to quickly correct it so as not to misrepresent the other editor.  BBQ  boffin<b style="color:#F00">grill me</b> 04:54, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Exactly. For all of that, you should have used the talk page. You have explained how you literally did the opposite of WP:REVTALK. Fred Zepelin (talk) 19:59, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Again, please refrain from making further comments to my talk page per WP:USERTALKSTOP. BBQ  boffin<b style="color:#F00">grill me</b> 03:20, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

My bad
I thought I was reverting a diff between two edits; I believe I was actually looking at a diff between an earlier edit and "current" and restored that instead, my mistake. Fred Zepelin (talk) 03:11, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Blake Master and Quotes
You're getting into WP:TENDENTIOUS territory now, and you're doing it over a piece of text that doesn't even show up in the article text. Ask yourself if it's worth getting blocked over. This will serve as your warning, if I (god forbid) have to report this nonsense. Fred Zepelin (talk) 11:44, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That insinuation without clear evidence is itself “inflammatory”, per WP:AOTE. Report what you feel you must, but I think you’ll be shooting yourself in the WP:FOOT. The two other editors involved in the discussions suggested you “focus on content, not contributors” and “clear the slate with a strike and or apology” for your personal attacks. But instead of doing either, you went to another article where your first-ever edit there was to revert me and then you templated me with an inapplicable warning message.


 * Per WP:USERTALKSTOP: repeatedly posting on a user's page after being asked not to, without good reason, may be seen as harassment or a similar kind of disruptive behavior. I have asked you twice before to stop posting here and you have violated my requests. If you do it again, I will view it as harassment and ask that you be blocked. BBQ  boffin<b style="color:#F00">grill me</b> 22:08, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

1953/Katie Porter
Saw you re-added these statements which I had removed for not reflecting the citations. Could you please clarify what citation you are using for "the first Democrat to represent the 45th district or its predecessors since it was created in 1953"?

I reviewed the two sources provided.

The closest I can find is: "it is smack in the middle of the once reliably conservative Orange County, in California’s Forty-fifth Congressional District, which has voted Republican since it was created, in the early nineteen-eighties" from the New Yorker citation.

ABC7 just notes that she is the first Democrat to hold the 45th district (which isn't particularly relevant without explanation since the district was Riverside based before redistricting).

Possible I'm missing something but I'm not seeing the verification on this? Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 13:01, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks; I don't see 1953 in those sources either, but the districts do get redrawn, so someone could argue that the 1980's district isn't the same as the 1953 district. I just now added a David Lightman article from the Sacramento Bee to the page that says Porter was elected to Congress in 2018 by defeating two-term incumbent Mimi Walters, the first time since the district was created in 1953 that a Democrat won. Cheers! BBQ  boffin<b style="color:#F00">grill me</b> 16:41, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I do still find the date suspect. Looks like we had the 1953 date in the article for a while without a citation for it, so it seems likely that the Sacramento Bee article relied on Wikipedia so this might be a case of circular referencing. That said, California did gain 7 seats in 1950 redistricting including an Orange County, although why we would trace any of the 45th, 48th, 46th, 47th, or 49th specifically to that seat is beyond me (they all flipped). Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 19:02, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The page used to say the predecessor district in 1953 was the 28th, but the statement was unsourced. I'm not a stickler for the 1953 date; you could change it to 1982 which would match the California%27s_45th_congressional_district page. But Porter's historic flipping (and holding) of the deep red seat is noted by many sources, and I think it's of biographical importance to include on her page as well as being lede-worthy. BBQ  boffin<b style="color:#F00">grill me</b> 19:33, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It does seem as if her district is the descendant of the 28th although that's just individual research at this point. I think focusing on the flip of a seat in a deep-red county rather than a detailed discussion of the seat's ancestry is the way to go here. Might take a stab at this later. Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 20:24, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Let me know if you have any concerns about this edit. Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 20:32, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me. Cheers! BBQ  boffin<b style="color:#F00">grill me</b> 20:36, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

"Wear Plants To Church Day" listed at Redirects for discussion
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 * Thanks and I see the page is now speedy-deleted based on my PROD request: "Useless redirect as no one is wearing "plants" to church unless a Carmen Miranda fan converts to the LDS and wears a fruit hat on Sunday morning. When I created the page I made a typo for "pants", but for some reason this silly page is still here. Maybe I shouldn't have picked Palm Sunday for the PROD, but here goes." Cheers! BBQ  boffin<b style="color:#F00">grill me</b> 06:00, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! I was happy and relieved today to see the 2186 eclipse article was closed as Keep. BBQ  boffin<b style="color:#F00">grill me</b> 20:52, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Women in Red June 2024
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Women in Red July 2024
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