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Wikimedia ZA Annual General Meeting 2021
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Brooder deletion
For Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2021_September_1, there were 2 DAB and 2 delete votes. After the second Del vote which based itself off the first on the search results argument, I added my comment, and it has been 2 days with no response from them. I can ping the voters for a response.  Jay (Talk) 15:04, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You can be bold, if you'd like. I considered WP:NCRET, but without a disambiguation page, retargeting to one place runs the risks of making the other usages even harder to find. --BDD (talk) 15:08, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I am not speaking in favour of retarget now, as I understand there was no further support. But I am speaking against deletion for the reasons they mentioned (better search results).  Jay (Talk) 15:27, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Being bold can mean creating a disambiguation page too. Or are you saying you did support the status quo? --BDD (talk) 15:42, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn't support the DAB as I mentioned in my vote. So probably, undelete and keep the discussion for a few more days?  Jay (Talk) 15:48, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It was open for about six weeks, with a couple of relists. You're free to do whatever you'd like with the title, but reopening, and reposting the day's RfD page and/or relisting would all be more trouble than it's worth. --BDD (talk) 15:59, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, let's leave it at that. I just wanted to register my surprise at the no consensus delete. The six weeks is of less importance when we consider that the last delete vote (which may have been the swing vote) was made 3 days back, and my rejoinder was 2 days back.  Jay (Talk) 16:33, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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Indian gaming
Thanks for the edit here. I like it better also. Did you see the TP? MB 21:06, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I had not. I'll comment there. --BDD (talk) 22:01, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

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RfA 2021 review update
Thanks so much for participating in Phase 1 of the RfA 2021 review. 8 out of the 21 issues discussed were found to have consensus. Thanks to our closers of Phase 1, and.

The following had consensus support of participating editors:
 * 1) Corrosive RfA atmosphere
 * The atmosphere at RfA is deeply unpleasant. This makes it so fewer candidates wish to run and also means that some members of our community don't comment/vote.
 * 1) Level of scrutiny
 * Many editors believe it would be unpleasant to have so much attention focused on them. This includes being indirectly a part of watchlists and editors going through your edit history with the chance that some event, possibly a relatively trivial event, becomes the focus of editor discussion for up to a week.
 * 1) Standards needed to pass keep rising
 * It used to be far easier to pass RfA however the standards necessary to pass have continued to rise such that only "perfect" candidates will pass now.
 * 1) Too few candidates
 * There are too few candidates. This not only limits the number of new admin we get but also makes it harder to identify other RfA issues because we have such a small sample size.
 * 1) "No need for the tools" is a poor reason as we can find work for new admins

The following issues had a rough consensus of support from editors: 1. Lifetime tenure (high stakes atmosphere) Because RfA carries with it lifetime tenure, granting any given editor sysop feels incredibly important. This creates a risk adverse and high stakes atmosphere.

2. Admin permissions and unbundling There is a large gap between the permissions an editor can obtain and the admin toolset. This brings increased scrutiny for RFA candidates, as editors evaluate their feasibility in lots of areas.

3. RfA should not be the only road to adminship Right now, RfA is the only way we can get new admins, but it doesn't have to be.

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Core vocabulary
I edit conflicted with your close of core vocabulary. I had a long winded explanation of why I do not think a disambiguation/set index fits here (none of those things would be referred to as "core vocabulary") and argued instead for a retarget to Vocabulary or Vocabulary, but I lost it hitting back and forward on my browser one too many times. Would you consider relisting this instead? -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:18, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ --BDD (talk) 16:23, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Neither one of us has been in the back of the RfD listings in over a week, it's crazy that we both decided to work on them at the same time! -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:32, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Indeed! Between arb work and work work, not as much time as I'd like. --BDD (talk) 16:40, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
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Regarding the flagged issue on the article "Civic engagement"
Hello BDD!

First of all, thank you for all your contributions to Wikipedia! I am currently working on the article, Civic engagement, and I noticed that you have flagged the article back in November 2015 for its tone issue. I definitely agree with you and am currently trying to improve on it. Would you mind clarifying which specific sections require more attention and if the flag is good to be removed? Thank you once again for your help!

Yzhang7 Yzhang7 (talk) 22:25, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Yzhang7. Fortunately, the article looks a lot better than when I tagged it seven years ago. I'm trying to reconstruct what I was thinking, given how much time has passed, but looking at the title-case section headings of the 2015 version was a dead giveaway that it was more essay-like. In terms of what still needs attention, the "In the role of state government" section still leans heavily towards a US perspective, and has a tone more like an essay or white paper. "In marginalized communities" could use wikilinks, which could also help avoid things like opening with a dictionary definition. And "Technology" is using pseudo-subheadings that should probably either be true subheadings or have their content just integrated into normal prose.
 * I hope that helps! I try to follow best practice and leave talk page messages when I tag unless the issue seems very obvious or endemic. That was the case in 2015, fortunately less so now. --BDD (talk) 15:21, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

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RFA 2021 Completed
The 2021 re-examination of RFA has been completed. 23 (plus 2 variants) ideas were proposed. Over 200 editors participated in this final phase. Three changes gained consensus and two proposals were identified by the closers as having the potential to gain consensus with some further discussion and iteration. Thanks to all who helped to close the discussion, and in particular, , and for closing the most difficult conversations and for  for closing the review of one of the closes.

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A final and huge thanks all those who participated in this effort to improve our RFA process over the last 4 months. This is the final update with no further talk page messages planned. 01:46, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Moved your comment
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 * Not a problem. I probably should've put it in that section to begin with. Thanks for the note. --BDD (talk) 00:56, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

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Lil Jon/Shawty Putt / Shawty Redd
Hi not sure if this is the proper place so please let me know. I saw the closed talk on not creating a separate page for the artist known as "Shawty Putt" who is an artist who has worked with Lil Jon and the confusion with the artist/producer "Shawty Redd" who had worked with Lil Jon but is better known for his production on other artists. In Atlanta, "Shawty" is a moniker just like "Lil" or "Young" so it's a lot of them. Just wanted to suggest that when using one not widely known and to avoid confusion, adding their legal names may be of help. As in "William "Shawty Putt" Holmes (looked up his songwriting credits on ASCAP). Shawty Redd has a page so no one should be confused as to if they are the same person. I've been in ATL a while. Lil is because there is a taller person with the same name lol  Asr1014 (talk) 06:04, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Asr1014, did you mean this discussion? I wasn't saying that there shouldn't be a separate page for Shawty Putt, necessarily. The name was just redirecting to Lil Jon with no explanation of who or what Shawty Putt was. As long as you think Shawty Putt meets our notability standards, go for it. --BDD (talk) 18:54, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi! Oh wow! I definately misunderstood. His name should not redirect to Lil Jon in my opinion. I know the Atlanta music scene pretty well. Shawty Putt's career thus far doesn't meet the notability standards nor is he solely associated with Lil Jon. BME Recordings the label Lil Jon helped to create was removed and redirected to Lil Jon as well. I think several of the less notable artists that were listed under the label were redirected as well. I've seen questions about creating pages for them but such as in this case, they don't meet the standard either. Thank you so much for your quick response. I'm still learning and it's encouraging to know its people like you willing to give advice. Asr1014 (talk) 20:14, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

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Discretionary sanctions topic area changes
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New page on queerplatonic relationships
Hey :)

I have just put together a short article about queerplatonic relationships. You said in May that after trying to add content about QPRs to the broader article on platonic love, you felt the concept failed WP:NEO. I am letting you know that I've tried to write a new page (operating on the presumption that QPRs satisfy WP:GNG)—I think there's enough sources and content there to demonstrate my basic case.

Best regards, —Kilopylae (talk) 00:43, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * My compliments Kilopylae, you've done a great job, and clearly put much more effort into sourcing than I did. :) My only suggestion is to perhaps rewrite the first sentence to center the concept rather than the term (see WP:REFERS). It's appropriate to acknowledge the name as a neologism, but ultimately the article is about the type of relationship rather than the phrase itself—and all that's as it should be. Once again, good job! --BDD (talk) 23:15, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

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New iteration of an article you deleted
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New administrator activity requirement
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YGM
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Ninth Adminship Anniversary
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Happy Adminship Anniversary!
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Courtney Chase
As the closer of the previous AfD discussion, would you say that Courtney Chase is similar enough to the article you deleted to qualify for CSD G4? If not, I'll take it to AfD again. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 17:35, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Compassionate727: No, but there was barely anything there before! --BDD (talk) 00:28, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

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Old Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom
Bring it back eeh? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.27.3.169 (talk) 02:58, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Reviving an old (deleted) page
I've been reworking on the page related to sportscaster Bill Spaulding who recently joined the New Jersey Devils as a play-by-play (which fun fact, is my favorite Hockey Team!) and after doing some work, I think I finally been doing it much better than it was. There has been more stuff added, additional sources now citied, and I think I got some new info. My draft on him has not been submitted but I'm not sure if it's acceptable for publishing since it currently needs some work. Sadly, I can't access some of the articles without a subscription. If there's anything or if it looks good for publishing, please let me know. 20chances (talk) 18:32, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi User:20chances. Technically I deleted Bill Spaulding (sportscaster) before, but he's never actually had an article. The title just used to redirect to WJPZ-FM, which doesn't mention him. Even when that was nominated, the nominator said he might be notable, and your article looks fine at a glance. I think you can be bold and move it into mainspace. --BDD (talk) 19:38, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was thinking it looks good enough. I never knew it was a redirect and in fact technically not a full scale article. But yeah, I do hope it'll be great to see it out. I appreciate the advice BTW ^^ 20chances (talk) 19:50, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

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Motion
I wasn't planning on proposing it but since I helped write it, I've put a new motion up in hopes of catching you in time. Barkeep49 (talk) 21:59, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors' October 2022 newsletter
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Cloudy day
You said that you couldn't see how TNT's resignation was not under a cloud: it's generally agreed that my resignation after the Doncram case was not under a cloud, although bit removal had been very much on the table, and that if I had asked for the bit back instead of running RFA3, which failed, I probably would have gotten it back. -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:58, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Requested move of Sorbonne
An editor has requested for Sorbonne to be moved to Sorbonne (building). Since you had some involvement with Sorbonne, you might want to participate in the move discussion (if you have not already done so). -- Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 09:32, 9 November 2022 (UTC)