User talk:BGC/Archive 001

The Concert For Bangla Desh
Nice job on that page... however, I was confused by your spelling as the country it was about is spelled Bangladesh as one, even though Bangla is the Bengali language... in any case, I looked and found The Concert For Bangladesh already made... now yours has the CD album box... but, I just was wondering if you knew and wanted to merge or whatnot. gren グレン 16:09, 21 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Okay, well I wasn't sure how they intended it, I only know how the country is spelled in English and that there are two pages. so, they need to be made so they aren't redundant.  I'm going to do a little fixing of that now. gren グレン 16:29, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Albums by the ex-Beatles
I'd just like to let you know that you've done a fantastic job on improving the over quality of the solo albums by John Lennon and Paul McCartney. I'm looking forward to seeing what you can do with the other two Beatles. --DaveGorman 19:37, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Nice work on the Ringo albums. What are you going to be fixing next? --DaveGorman 07:48, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Most of the Beatles' compilation albums only contain a few lines of text at the most and could do with being improved. --DaveGorman 19:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi BGC - I've never really been much of a fan of The Rolling Stones but I can appreciate the difference you've made to the overall quality of the articles relating to them: It's just a shame that their discography page is in such a mess. --DaveGorman 18:26, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar
I hereby award you this Working Man's Barnstar for your contributions to music related articles.



Take care, D. J. Bracey (talk) 22:27, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

All things Beatley
Alright mate? Just wanted to say nice work for the George Harrison solo albums, a job I could never bring myself to do.

In particular, I like the concert for george page where you've put where the original song can be found. Nice touch, keep it up.--Crestville 11:29, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Reviews in albumbox
I started a discussion about appropriate sources of album reviews. You are probably interested. -Hapsiainen 18:55, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

RfC on Monicasdude
I saw your comment on JDG's user talk page. I believe that your contribution to the RfC at Requests for comment/Monicasdude would be extremely valuable, either as a co-endorser of the RfC description and/or as an additional outside comment.

I would suggest that if you add a comment you try to maintain a factual and non-confrontational tone in your descriptions. Although I concur Monicasdude's behavior as been dreadful (I created the RfC; with some encouragement and now co-endorsers), the process is best served by rising above the low standard Monicasdude has set.

If you are concerned about revealing your current username, you could either post anonymously (with a description of your previous username), or simply post under the prior username (but mention that you use a non-specified new username). Of course, Monicasdude may well read JDG's user talk page, just as I did; there's nothing private on WP. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 03:20, 2005 August 31 (UTC)

Chicago chart positions
Good work to add these to Chicago, but I suggest the singles be done the same way as the albums: list US position, then list UK position if and only if it charted. As it stands now, it's hard to absorb the singles information with all the empty UK positions shown first. Wasted Time R 21:05, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Beatles Broke Up In 69
For some reason I cannot see how to edit the main article for the 1 album. I notice an inaccuracy in that it says that The Beatles had not played together since 1970 however that is a common misconception. The Let It Be album was released in 1970 however it was recorded before Abby Road. Abby Road was a request from Paul to do one last album "the way we used to". John had left the group shortly after in 69 although he did not admit it untill later. The official breakup did come in 1970 when McCartney announced that he had left the group and never wanted to play with the others again. Curiously, he sued the other three later that year for dissoloution of the group.

So, anyone will change the appropriate line, that would be more accurate.

RfC on Mel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Mel_Etitis

--Anittas 00:58, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Beatles breaking up in 69 or 70
Also, is that your comment/question about the Beatles break-up on this talk page? The Beatles actually reconvened to re-record "I Me Mine" in early 1970. At this point, I think they were PLANNING to split (or possibly just go on hiatus, not actually end the band), but they were still officially a band. John wasn't at the "I Me Mine" session though, but it was still a Beatles session - it was intended for a Beatles album, for one thing - and Lewisohn and others refer to it as a Beatles session as well. In that case, you could say they last played 'together' in 1970.

Keith Richards Discography
Overall I appreciate your work on the 3 Keith Richards records, and the new category. They are improvements over my original style, but I would offer only a couple of suggestions and let you think about it- since as I said, I like the copy and you seem to have a solid background in the topic, sort of speak.

MAIN OFFENDER- where did you hear/read that 'Love is Strong' is a Jagger inspired tune off MO. I think Richards was in pre-preduction in Ireland with Ronnie and wrote a song called 'Love is Strange' (I have a bootleg of it with him singing the lyrics) and I don't think Jagger had much to do with the song but change the lyrics. P.S. I remember an interview in print where Jagger dissed MO, except for '999' and 'Eileen'.

Live at..Hollywood: The colour on my computer of the border is really ugle green, it could improve the overall appearence if you changed it. --Mikerussell 01:44, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

A Head's Up
A Head's Up JDG 16:58, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Album Infobox 2
Yes, I saw that you had been reverting the Fragile page (with reason!). Monicasdude should not be changing these templates when there has yet to even be anything close to concensus on the fair use debate. I had looked at Monicasdude's contributions and it appears he/she is on a crusade to revert all these infoboxes to the non-graphical version. I will keep an eye on the user and probably comment in that RfC, thanks. --Comics 23:32, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Ugh....enough is enough! I'm going to add a comment to the RfC now. This has to stop. We have to get admins involved. --Comics 00:20, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't happen to see an alternative. He continually shows bad faith edits, censors any user that is critical of him on his talk page, and generally is an obnoxious user. He refuses to address any issues that are raised against him. To me, the only solution would be to ban him immediately. We just need a mod who is willing to do this, and we have to present a proper case. --Comics 00:25, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Do you think we should ask for a mediation? --Comics 00:49, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I just added a comment on JDG's talk page. Thanks for the heads up. --Comics 01:27, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I added a comment in the 3RR notice. Hope it helps. --Comics 02:18, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Monicasdude, the censor.
[See here] JDG 02:07, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

"Chicagoband" template
Very nice job on the new template (Template:Chicagoband). I suspect someone is going to whine that you didn't include Stone of Sisyphus, but I personally agree with your decision not to place an unreleased concept album in a general navigational template. Keep up the good work! Engineer Bob 07:13, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Monicasdude
I still think we should do a mediation, yes, but I'm so busy lately that I fear I won't have the time. I haven't been around much. Feel free to start it up, though, and I'll add comments. --Comics 04:36, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Beach Boys Infobox
It's a long time since I've been around this area, I've been concentrating so much on other matters of Wiki..dom. I do quite like the look of the infobox you made. Are we going to include within the template the song titles, currently California Girls, Fun, Fun, Fun, God Only Knows, Good Vibrations, Heroes and Villains, Kokomo and Sail On, Sailor, but which I can currently see all the singles included within the box, from Surfin'/Luau to Hot Fun In The Summertime/Summer Of Love or maybe even Summer Of Love/I'm Always Here..

Et cetera. Maybe it's overkill, I can't exactly find the precedent by which I'm working, but I know there used to be one. Thank you. Bobo192 14:16, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Chronic Town Track Listing
I wanted to make a note about the edit you made to the Chronic Town track listing. The order that puts "Wolves, Lower" first and ends with "Stumble" I assume you are getting from Dead Letter Office, the B-side anthology. However, this is actually not the correct order for Chronic Town itself, and you can check the discography on R.E.M.'s official website to see this. Because of the B-side nature of Dead Letter Office, the band decided to reverse the sides of Chronic Town. In reality, side A consists of 1,000,000 and Stumble, while side B consists of Wolves, Lower; Gardening at Night; Carnival of Sorts (Boxcars).

Because of this I went back to the version with the track listing of Chronic Town itself, not the one based on Dead Letter Office. Just wanted to make you are aware of the reasoning behind the change I made. I'd be glad to discuss it further with you if you'd like. Thanks. :) David Charles Pollack 00:40, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Here's a scan of the Chronic Town cover, which lists the order as David Charles Pollack suggests, but the track listing to the left of the image has it as we've believed it to be. Maybe the person who listed it on R.E.M.HQ.com looked at the back cover of the EP and listed it, erroneously, in that order, or maybe that is the correct order. - Dudesleeper 02:48, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, after discussion with various people, including Ethan Kaplan, head of murmurs.com, we've decided that BGC and others have been right - which I guess makes me right now that I side with them. Odds are the listing on the back of the Chronic Town EP was erroneous. When you see that the clearly labeled side A has Wolves through Boxcars, and the other two on the clearly labeled side B, you have to wonder. Not sure about what I think of how the album sounds in that order now - kinda got used to 1,000,000 as an opener and Boxcars as a closer. But Wolves, Lower is a fantastic opener, and Stumble closes it off nicely. So I can readjust. David Charles Pollack 02:34, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I tracked down some more information on this that confirms the label to be correct, not the back of the jacket. Curtis Knapp is credited with the design. He's now a NYC photographer of note.  He gave two responses via email when questioned about the track order: "I pulled out a cassette here......, side 1 Wolves Lower Gardening At Night Carnival of Shorts (Box Cars) side 2 1,000,000 Stumble" and "Never Ever give a girlfriend the job of laying out YOUR cover design!!! My mistake." I emailed him because when I looked at the cover again, it looked like the sort of thing a graphic artist might do with the typesetting, because it looks better in the pyramid shape as set on the cover. The irony of this is that R.E.M. later went on to purposely obscure which side was first on Reckoning with a left and right side instead of A and B.

R.E.M. album release dates
What is/are your source/sources for the release dates of R.E.M.'s I.R.S. albums? Mine was the book Adventures in Hi-Fi by Rob Jovanovic. I'm not sure how reliable it is, but all the given dates are Tuesdays and I thought albums were released on Tuesdays in the U.S. (though I don't know how long that has been the case). The dates you've changed them to are all Mondays. --CapitalLetterBeginning 12:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Okey doke, sounds like you know your stuff. I assume Jovanovic also got his information based on chart entry dates, but didn't know that albums were released on Mondays back then. Cheers for the info. --CapitalLetterBeginning 18:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: The return of KOAVF
I have to say I'm feeling sorry for him that he can't let go and admit defeat (on this matter or any other, it seems). If it takes one or two reverts a day for three years (or until he gives up, whichever is sooner) on your, my, or someone else's part, so be it. - Dudesleeper 02:34, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, Just to let you know you were not the only ones to get a headache from Koavf. He is most notorious for pushing aggressively his opinions, and resorting to personal attacks and he never admits defeat. He is the Ambasador of the separatist movement Polisario in Wikipedia, and is a anti-Morocco by excellence. You could have a look at his vomits on Talk:Morocco.--A Jalil 20:54, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hopefully (though unlikely), with two days off, he'll see the error of his ways. He needs to understand, besides his not being the owner of all things R.E.M., that the template is going to be large relative to others on Wikipedia because a) the band have been around for 26 years, and b) their album titles are never the shortest things. - Dudesleeper 23:02, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: And it continues....
And there I was thinking you were a fellow Brit (based on your use of mate the other day). Where are you from, if you don't mind my asking? - Dudesleeper 22:01, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * One Britism that I haven't allowed to seep into my daily vocab is cheers. I've lived in the States for four years now, so there's even less chance of my using it. I visited Montreal a couple of years ago. Nice place (if you close your eyes until you've passed through the modern part and into the old city). You need to work on your bridge-building, though. - Dudesleeper 01:10, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Just moved to Portland, Maine, from Boston within the last month. - Dudesleeper 02:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Dots versus dashes
I just made a template for my favourite UK band, The Bluetones (template here). What's your take on using dots instead of dashes for purposes of separation? - Dudesleeper 14:17, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Devils Haircut
Saw Beck's performance of "Devils Haircut" on the BBC's Later with Jools Holland recently. Bad song (in my opinion), but Joey Waronker rocked, beating the hell out of the drums. May have to iTune it.

On another note, our favourite Wikipedian took another forced break over the weekend (not R.E.M.-connected, sadly). - Dudesleeper 18:50, 16 October 2006 (UTC)