User talk:BOLLYWOOD DREAMZ/Archive 3

Films

 * Definitely! I can't say that the movie is just brilliant. It has its misses, but Akshay-Preity did extremely well. Preity was so tough as an officer, and it took me ages to get that in that point she was only a newcomer. Every source re Zinta's biography mentioned it as one of her best, she did so well and I was so sad in the end when Akki died... I especially liked one scene when Akki is being whipped by the policemen, and she goes to cry outside. The songs are also great. I really recommend, but... don't expect an unforgettable film. It was OK, but as a film could have been better. I personally love it because I love thrillers and especially Mahesh Bhatt's thrillers (like Inteha, Murder, Woh Lamhe etc.). Plus, have you seen Dushman with Kajol? The same director, Tanuja Chandra directed it. Which films of Preity haven't you seen yet? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  18:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * PS: Sometimes, to know the majority opinion (chuckle chuckle LOL), I suggest you to visit the IMDb user comments; thereare some very intelligent guys on there, whose comments I appreciate at times. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  18:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Well you didn't lose too much. But I liked all of her films. In Farz, I was charmed to see Preity Zinta being picturized thorigh Lata Mangeshkar's sogns in such a classic, wonderful way. I like when Lataji and Ashaji sing songs for new young actresses, like Kareena in MDK and especially Bewafaa, (Kaise Piya Se...)
 * LOL I liked what Kareena said on KWK... If she was offered Murder she would say "5 crores"... LOL... But I didn't like what she said about John, poor guy. I think he did not nothing wrong... catfights rrr LOL.. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  18:25, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * LOL of course. I've seen all Kareena's, Rani's, Preity's (except TLL), Kajol's, Shahrukh's, Salman's, Manisha's etc.. without exception. You, I guess you have seen all Kareena's films.
 * I remember being in a theatre show of Shabana Azmi and Javed Akhtar with my parents, but I was very bored... LOL. I was 7-8 yrs old. Mmmm and who else, there are more but I don't remember... Many Indians went to see Shahrukh while shooting for CDI last year, but I couldn't, I was too busy. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  18:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Juhiiiii. I met Juhi Chawla when I was a child in some store in Mumbai. My sister was a big fan of hers (there's no relation)... How could I forget? She was so beautifulll!!! Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  18:43, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Godddd, there are many actors I saw, but I just don't remeber.. that comes very vaguely to me... I was in a concert with my sister and there were many stars there -- Mamta Kulkarni was.. etc etc.. there are many I saw, just can't remember all through Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  18:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * In Mumbai, there were always many concerts, shows and conferences. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  18:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Well at my sister's graduation party I saw Johnny Lever... Not that it matters, but anyway... I miss India...:( Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  18:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Achcha... Purna rupa se meri dost. I've had no real opportunity to see the biggest stars, but my sister has had... What film of Kareena did you particularly like? Which did you hate?;) Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Well I hate all the films you've mentioned (I mean those you hate), aspecially Talaash, Yaadein, Khushi and JSML. I didn't like also Mujhse Dosti Karoge and Chup Chup Ke. I liked all the films you've mentioned (I mean, those you like) and I also think Bewafaa was nice, especially the songs. I likes Ajnabee and Aitraaz but her roles in these films were not so meaty. Refugee was fine. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeh I love all her films except for The Hero, JBJ and Jaanemann. Average films may be, DNJAK (although she did pretty well, she dies 20 minutes into the film) and Premante Idera, because I didn't understand even half-word there. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:47, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Well it didn't take me so fast actually. I have all the links, also for VZ and SN which I researched one week ago. I usually google and google, and save all the RSes, and then go to particular sources like The Tribune, and looking for that there in the site itself. Cause this site comes very rarely in google (or any other site) searches, but it's reliable and it's a newspaper. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  11:22, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * No, unfortunately we are not. It was proved to be reliable by Dwai, but its reliability isn't sure yet, and he told me to remove it. That's why we had to remove all the bollyvista sources from Zinta's article. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  21:09, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Awards pages
Hey Rahul! I took on cleaning up heavily Preity's awards page and then went to Kareena's too. Now they look very very nice, in terms of look (better for sure...).

But Rahul, I have one request. Please replace this source on Kareena's awards and nominations page with a reliable source. It's not reliable, and it's merely copied from Wikipedia... Yes! Wikipedia today goes all over the net, that's why keeping RSes is important. It needs reliable sources. There are some awards I know she won, like Sansui Best Actress critics (I saw it), AIFA Best Actress critics etc, but IIFA Best Debut, Sansui Best debut, Anandolok don't seem to be so credible.

I've cleaned up and removed many references there (creating ref names), because many awards appear on the same articles so there is no need for so many refrences in vain. Now, I have to remove only a few 2-3 refs from Zinta's awards page and replace them. Thanks God, I got rid of her fansite, and found reliable sources (back back in time; I just got too lazy to clean it up strongly).

As for Kareena, I collected this fansite references into three main refs (by creating ref names). Here you have: 12, 16, 18. These references have to be replaced. Regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  01:33, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Nice, I'll do something later. I'm not sure that this is the particular format I'd like to do, but I'll definitely organize tables. I also think we have to remove all the nominations for non-notable awards, like BBC, etc. BBC is not a prominent ceremony. It's just a poll, so the so-called "nominations" are not really nominations, but whatever. I'll find out what the best table can be. Thanks, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  18:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I suggest you to move the table to the original colour. This blue colour ruins it, because it doesn't highlight the wins and nominations because of this blue colour. I was once arguing with one admin over this on the national film awards. I asked him to leave the yellow and he said that we have to leave it by default. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  18:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * When I see this blue, it takes all the attention, and I don't pay attention to the wins and nominations lol... Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  18:51, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but I'll make it for Zinta. I have another idea. I think writing result nominated so many times shows the actor in a bad light, so I think we have to collect into one. One moment. I'll show you. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * What do you say? (see Preity's page) Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:42, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * As I see on the ToI article, Preity found it very difficult to play a role of a battered wife in HOE. She has never played such a complex role. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm too. Provoked bombed. It was a major failure. I hope this one will be successful. You know, for a vivacious person like Zinta, who is full of life, with her dimpled smile, hot temper, consistent happiness, it is very difficult. Even a role like Kal Ho Naa Ho, an insecure girl, was full of life. This one doesn't seem the same. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  20:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Neither. It is a Canadian film. Like Water. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  20:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Mira Nair's films are Hollywood, because she works in the USA, and her films are produced by American film banners. But this one not. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  20:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello, just saw the Kapoor talk page. I don't think DNA and tonight are RSes (not that it matters in the case of Dev -- just to note, for the future). You are giving too much scope to non-critical comments. Rajeev Masand speaks to Kareena and says that Poo from K3G was unforgettable, but it's not a comment of a critic who reviews the film (which is the most imprtant thing).
 * For example, this "she established herself as a versatile screen performer in 2004. She showed sparks of brilliance in Govind Nihalani’s Dev" doesn't help to get the majority opinion, and can't stay in that particular section when analyzing the majority opinion. The critical reception, is the reception of critics, not journalists.
 * So overall, what I mean is, only critical reviews can determine the majority opinion. However, all the quotes of the above mentioned sort can support the majority opinion if they are listed in a separate section (like I did on Zinta's talk with the Reiff article).
 * I know it doesn't really matter lol cause it's a talk page lol, but it's important to note that because I don't want you to make the mistake and add quotes of this sort on the article itself.
 * Now tell me, how are you? Why didn't I see you here yesterday? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  22:36, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow you've got the Khoon Bhari Maang DVD so fast. Great! What scene did you particularly like? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  21:05, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * An endless list friend!! mmm my favourite are Baseraa, Ek Hi Bhool, Agar Tum Na Hote, Umrao Jaan (Aishwarya Rai? LOL! She's brilliant and I like her but nobody will ever perform this role better than Rekha), Pyar Ki Jeet, Silsila etc etc etc etc...

LHave you seen Khiladiyon Ka Khiladi? Shahid •  Talk 2 me  21:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Are you serious? You definitely should. A great action/romance. Akshay was great as always (I told you he's my favourite?), Rekha was amazing in her villain role that you can hate her...... She won awards for the film. Filmfare Supporting and Screen Villain. And Raveena is charming and beautiful. It brings me childhood memories even more than Raja Hindustani of that year. I personally don't think it should've won the Best Film award, though I like it as an entertainer. Tell me please, have you seen Yeh Dillagi and Khamoshi the Musical? just interesting to know...  Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  21:25, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Reply
I'm OK with the Mukerji article, that's something we have already discussed.

As for the lists, LOL!!! Well, I've never, never done a big deal of ranikings of Filmfare or Rediff... My questions are, where's Preity (she failed commercially, but at least starred in an internationally recognised film. A pitty that it hasn't been relased this year)? What Mallika's doing there? (she had only item numbers)... Where's Priyanka? And what does Deepika (a nice girl and a good actress but...) does there? And why is Tabu ranked on such a low position, when Cheeni Kum di well and The Namesake (Hollywood) was an international blockbuster? And doesn't Madhuri deserve at least some recognition for her comeback? Well, I don't care LOL.

I'm generally happy for Shilpa. But, for the record, according to the box office, Preity is still on the top in the list of the most successful actresses of this generation:). I'll add it later on the page. And cheers for Kareena. IMO, she deserved a higher position than Ash; they both had only one hit each, but Kareena was very well recognised for her role, while Ash didn't do nothing special in Guru. Regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  22:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

List
If we are talking about hype and hoopla and trying to combine it with success, I would say:

18. Mallika

17. Deepika

16. Kangana Ranaut

15. Vidya Malvade

14. Bipasha Basu

13. Madhuri Dixit

12. Priyanka Chopra

11. Lara Dutta

10. Katrina Kaif

9. Sareeka

8. Konkona Sen Sharma

7. Vidya Balan

6. Preity Zinta

5. Rani Mukerji

4. Aishwarya Rai

3. Kareena Kapoor

2. Shilpa Shetty

1. Tabbu

Tabbu is my winner all the way. I was so impressed with her Nemasake, etc; Shilpa had two hits, big media hype, international recognition and she enteres like a big storm. Kapoor had a good year also. A pitty that she had only one release; Aishwarya had Guru and Provoked. The former is hit, the second -- unnoticed. Then Rani and Preity, who had a bad year each, but they are still the top actresses in Bollywood. Undoubtedly they are the top actresses of this decade also, that's why they're here; Vidya had a line up of successes, but she has to choose her roles. BB and HB did nothing to her, it was only for Akshay Kumar. Eklaviya, despite entering to the Oscars, is just a failure, both commercially and critically. Konkona is the best actress of her age bracket. Sareeka won a national award for Parzania and had a hit with Bheja Fry. Katrina is not spectacular, IMHO, but she had two big hits. The following actresses after Lara were just unnoticed this year, but they're still popular and had a considerable amount of hype. Bipsha and Priyanka should have been there. If I were to change the original list, I would put them instead of Mallika and Deepika. The other look promising.

In fact, it's just a list to have fun. I don't give a damn to these lists. What is your ranking?

Regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  13:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh God someone tries to defame you here. See the website of Amrita Rao. I see this guy left you a message on the head of this page. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:37, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't doubt. I'm SURE... LOL... Do you really think that an official site will write "Don't bellieve Wikipedia"? LOL. Don't worry. All's going well no?  Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  20:13, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm doing great!!! Hope you are too amigo. Great to here from you. Felicidad Navidad!! Merry Christmas! Did you see Kim Jong Il playing snooker? I invite you to visit Blofeld's hall of fun ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦     Talk? 11:50, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Did you know that I've now split the Bollywood films by year are they ar elinked in the template. It needs a lot of work hopefully eventually it will fully develop like Bollywood films of 1972. Feel free to add any films from time to time. Eventually every film article on wikipedia will be linked to the year or decade film list. Best regards Baldy ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦     Talk? 20:48, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello...
Thanks for the compliment, and I'll have a word with the user, to re-instate what you'sd told him. I've also been waiting to talk to you, to appreciate your fine work to Bollywood articles. Despite sticking to editing South Indian cinema (especially Tamil), I have regularly checked upon the Bollywood articles, maintained perfectly by Blof, Shahid and yourself.

I'll be honoured to help out with any sort of article, you would need assistance on. Cheers and Happy Holidays. Universal Hero (talk) 12:48, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Playback singing


I have some problem with this section. It's indeed very very redunant. In fact, "voice over" is in anyway not playback singing. I've heard all these songs and she actually didn't sing the songs but made some voices which is not really notable to mention. Akshay, Kajol and many other actors also did that, it's quite non-notable.

As for the Dev song (very well sung!), it can be mentioned in the notes field in her filmography table. This playback singing seems to be quite isolated. The whole section is unnecessary. I have no problem with leaving that only song, but it why should we leave a section of one line?

Regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  16:01, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Wish you the same my dear friend!:))))) Have a great year! Best regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  17:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Didn't I tell you that this list is amazingly silly? What exactly does Aamit make there? He's had only one release and its still unclear. It's not fair. Abhishek number 10??? With a film like Guru he gets only no. 10?? I would put him at Aamir's place. Nevertheless, the list is quite fair. I agree with Akki and SRK on the top. Shahid looks promising, and that's great for him. Akki, I'm so excited that he is getting the box office recognition. He's always been my favourite. It's a pitty that only now, when he's 40 he gets the real stardom, but you know, Amitji was still playing college students when he was 40... LOL... ha ha ha... And Rajesh Khanna too!!!! Today, the 40 is like the 20. Overall, it doesn't matter. Just a silly Rediff list LOL... Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  18:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey!
Wow! I loved your gallery.... lol! Oh yeah and check out these hotties from the South (Wiki or Google them)
 * Asin Thottumkal (in Aamir Khan's Ghajini)
 * Shriya Saran ( in Ek)
 * Trisha Krishnan
 * Nayanthara

Lol! Merry Xmas Dude! Universal Hero (talk) 17:40, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Kapoor
I'm trying, but I just don't find something to add... Given source doesn't contain some notable info, or something that can be added. For example, she says her mother forgave her father... (for what exactly? So what?) Can't be added. She also doesn't blame her father for nothing, so there is nothing to write. We can't write, "she doesn't accuse her father" - it's WP:undue, and this applies to that also: "My mum has never imposed her thoughts on us on how to feel about our father". In this case, the situation was just about OK, so I can't find something notable.

As for her mother's work, she says it was tough, but we don't really know if her mother survived on a small income and so forth. However, that's the only notable thing here, so I'll try to add it.

I'm thinking... Shahid •  Talk 2 me  07:15, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I've added what was possible. Any further info will be non-notable IMO. Tell me please, did she see her father often at that point of time? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  07:33, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Wanted to ask you regarding that, "and began training to become an actress under Kishor Namit Kapoor, the founder of Kapoor Acting Lab" - are there some secondary sources for that? And are there some sources which indicate that she began training specifically after completing her education? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  07:40, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

MDK and MPKDH
I also strongly feel the article gives too much scope to unsuccessful films. Usually in the past, big failures were not even specifically discussed, but mentioned in short (because the career was meant to highlight the milestones). But because we have to be fair, and Wikipedia has seen progress in writing BLPs, we have to mention it. However, when we mention big failures, it has to be short, and too much description has to be avoided. Like on Jolie's page.

I'm working on it:

"During 2002-2003 Kapoor starred in several films, all of which proved unsuccessful. She appeared in two high profile films, Kunal Kohli's directorial debut Mujhse Dosti Karoge! and Sooraj R. Barjatya's Main Prem Ki Diwani Hoon. Although produced by two of the biggest production houses in Bollywood, Yash Raj Films and Rajshri Productions, respectively, and although generated great business overseas, both films were critical and commercial failures in India....."

Shahid •  Talk 2 me  12:39, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Shortened. As of now, it's OK now... Removed IMDb ref (unreliable) etc. Rewrote... There is a problem, and the problem is that all her films in 2002-03 were unsuccessful but only MDK and MPKDH were mentioned, so I think the above version has to be displayed. It has to be combined into one paragraph, which has to describe these two years. I'm still working on the above mentioned text. Best regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  13:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * LOL, we definitely have to leave these quotes. I didn't write the whole version, I'm still working on it. What you see above is just a part to show you it can be combined. After that, we can come up with quotes. It's just silly to mention one film for each year, when there are six. MDK and MPKDH don't represent the failure, they are part of it. They are specifically mentioned cause they are produced by big banners, but they represent these two years. If you see, these two films have much in common:
 * Produced by big banners
 * Kapoor criticized in both
 * Both films are flops.
 * Bits overseas.
 * Both films star Hrithik LOL
 * Both are bad ha ha ha ha ha!!!! Just kidding...
 * Regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:21, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Guys, are you gonna' produce lists like in the 2007 page for Bollywood - erm, stuff like, top 10 actors of 2007? You get me? =O Universal Hero (talk) 00:17, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Added reviews which are necessary; overall, good work. What do you think about changing, "These films marked the time when critics expressed" to "there reviews were followed by other reviews where critics..." Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  05:58, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, the main problem with your suggestion is that the ecommendation to stay only with three main section. We must keep in the frame of 3 paragraphs. That's not that it's totally not permitted but Kareena's career has spanned for only 8 years, so it would be an exaggeration, especially considering many films are not even mentioned (and on Jolie's page for example all the films are mentioned and there are still only three paras).


 * Secondly, with every year, you learn to see her career path in a different way, what I can tell you is that if her success remains steady, you will definitely see it differently. For me, the "Early Career" section is quite redunant, and easily can be merged into breakthrough, or in the contrary way. I mean, we can name it "Early career" (2000-2003) or "Beakthrough" (2000-2003). But please see my next point:


 * And thirdly, the most important thing is that to name a section as success (when it actually means commercial success), we must have at least 3-4 consecutive years of commercial success. A section cannot contain/consist of only two paragraphs. Let's take Rani, she had Chalte Chalte in 03, Veer Zaara and Hum Tum in 04, Bunty aur Bably in 05, KANK in 06. That's why it was quite easy to collect all these years into one (The section was added in 2006) and name them as success. 2007 had only one release by Kareena, the most important thing now is to see whether she goes on that way or not.


 * My best regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  13:56, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Well haven't seen Welcome, but I will. TZP is a masterpiece and this guy is amazing!!! He is just brilliant, I've no words... Aamir was nice but this child stole the show in a big way. I'm really impressed. Shahid •  Talk 2 me  12:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh I didn't like how Kareena implied that she didn't consider Priyanka and Bipasha actresses!!! I'm shocked! Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  13:58, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I completely agree. Success comes, success goes, but she has to be secure. Even if she wins all the awards for JWM this year, she has to be nice to her collegues, despite her dislike towards them. Otherwise she will always be preceived as unprofessional and insecure. Plus, she is yet to prove herself as a BO idol, she is yet to star in a top grossing film, although she's a good actress. IMO, both Priyanka and Bips have been doing really well the last few years. While Kareena didn't have any parallel major hit during 2002-2006, I haven't heard any interview of either bitching on Kareena when they had great successes with Raaz, No Entry, Dhoom 2 (all these three films of Bips are the biggest hits of their respective years), Krrish and Don. Bips was also brilliant in Corporate. She is not as good as Kareena, but she is establishing herself very well. I'm still very shocked at reading these lines of the interview. Regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  00:03, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Kareena is surely going to win the Screen Award :) For the second consecutive year!!! I think she deserves that, although I don't consider her an actress at all (Kidding LOL;)) Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  20:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL E-X-A-C-T-L-Y!!! They know that this child deserves the award mre than every other actor. I just hope that all these talented young actors (eg Ayesha Kapur, Shweta Prasad and now this child) will hold on, because most of the popular masters of the past (80s, 90s) are not actors today. Bus Shahrukh is superb, and we can't do nothing about that. I think Shilpa deserved at least a nomination for Metro, but anyways, congrats Kareena. Regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  20:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

WP Actors
HI. Your welcome to join WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers. PLease add your name to the list and mention the work you do specifically on Indian actors! Regards!. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦     Talk? 15:49, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah I didn't notice your name!! lol! Welcome!! Be careful with uploading images from Bollywood blog. The image of Bipasha is a clear copyrighted TV image from Indian idol ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦      Talk? 20:39, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Just want to say congrats for your work on Kareena Kapoor and Rani Mukerji. Its funny but they are beginning to resemble the Preity Zinta article in structure which in my view is a great thing. I was pleasantly surprised when I came across them. Perhaps you should consider them for a GA sometime -as long as the sources are reliable and tone is neutral it should be OK. Hopefully we can get all the other actor articles up to scratch also. Regards Big Bad Baldy ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦      Talk? 12:33, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I had a great Christmas -lots of DVDS including some Hong Kong films which I am into at the moment. Early though I watched Pale Rider and The African Queen. I tried to get hold of Sholay but the DVD was too expensive. I'm currently gradually developing cinema of Hong Kong, France, Italy by year as well as America and Bollywood. I;m adding title content at present which is necessary to prepare for several thousand new film articles which are missing such as Hong Kong films of 1973!! -tons of red links to eat up in 2008! I managed to fill in Bollywood films of 1979 and Bollywood films of 1978 the other day -still many missing articles!. Hopefully all of the years can be completed soon and the eventually the films started and attempt to produce some GA- class film articles. I only wish I could could clone you, myself, Shahid, Universal, and Pa and make several hundred of us -it would be done in no time!! Keep up the good work anyway -as Universal said before the Zinta article -particularly layout is a role model for actor articles for Indian cinema and indeed others too. Many think my first Bond FA Casino Royale (2006 film) is a model for films on wikipedia. Not bad work between us huh??!!

Can't believe 2007 is over -the fastest any year has passed in my life so far = unbelievably quickly. Perhaps its this wiki editing lark hey? Have a great New Year and Best Wishes for your exams. My kitty and his new wife Mrs Bigglesworth (see my talk page) hope you cane them! Saludos amigo! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦     <font size="-4"><font color="Black">Talk? 18:52, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I;ve currently got four GA'S up for nomination with WP:Bond at present although I only really fully edited two of them. Have a look at Thunderball (film). That SPECTRE meeting in the film is one of my favourite and of course directly influenced the evil table scene in Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery with Mustafa the guy with the fez is "really badly burned" lol after being sent to a burning pit from his electricuted chair. You know - "Lets do what me always do, hijack some Kreblakistani nuclear war heads and hold the world to ransom! Through me a frickin bone here. I;m the boss I need the info" lol! I'd imagine you;ve seen Austin Powers the original -the best of them I think <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦      <font size="-4"><font color="Black">Talk? 19:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

The swinging 60s baby! YEAH BIIBY YEAH!! lol! Hey have a good one anyway, its always great speaking to you, if only all other stuck up wikipedians could become like you, Shahid and Pa the wikipedia would be a much better place!!. I'd imagine there will be thousand of blind drunken loonies about the country tonight if there isn't already. Feliz Ańo Nuevo baby yeah! Hey I had a forest illegally removed from western Sweden and had it flown tree by tree in my evil attack helicopters to my Japanese volcano where there is a christmas tree on every patch possible and is powered by the heat of the "magma". Just picture a volcano with thousands of christmas lights and images of santa lol!! I bid you adieau! <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦     <font size="-4"><font color="Black">Talk? 19:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

If she plans to begin her own clothing range then this is definately something to add - although I wouldn't go into how much she is an influence on people -as many actors/famous people influence the public's fashion this isn't unique of course. However ensure its reliable and is more than speculation. Naturally it has to be based on fact not somebod'ys gut feeling she may venture down that pathway. Regards <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦      <font size="-4"><font color="Black">Talk? 20:55, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy New Year
Best wishes for the forthcoming year! Universal Hero (talk) 17:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

My winners

 * Best Film - Taare Zameen Par


 * Best Director - Mani Ratnam - Guru


 * Best Actor (Male) - Shah Rukh Khan - Chak De! India

Kareena Kapoor - Jab We Met
 * Best Actor (Female) - (well I think all of them deserve and were brilliant, but Kareena is going to win, so -->)


 * Best Actor in a Supporting Role (Male) - Mithun Chakraborty – Guru

Tisca Chopra - Taare Zameen Par Konkana Sen Sharma - Life in A… Metro Shefali Shah - Gandhi My Father
 * Best Actor in a Supporting Role (Female) (Oh Goddd!!!.. So difficult!!! I don't know, but one of them, but Shefali is most likely to win --->)


 * Best Actor in a Negative Role (Male/ Female) - Pawan Malhotra – Black Friday


 * Best Actor in a Comic Role (Male/ Female) - Govinda – Partner

Shaan – Jab Se Tere Naina – Saawariya Soham – Inn Dino - Life in A… Metro
 * Best Playback Singer (Male) (both performed beautifully...)


 * Best Playback Singer (Female) - Sunidhi Chauhan – Sajnaji Vaari - Honeymoon Travels Pvt Ltd


 * Best Lyrics - Gulzar – Bol Na Halke - Jhoom Barabar Jhoom

Amole Gupte - Taare Zameen Par Anurag Basu - Life in A… Metro Feroz Abbas Khan – Gandhi My Father Imtiaz Ali – Jab We Met Jaideep Sahni – Chak De! India
 * Best Story (all of them LOL)


 * Best Screenplay - Amole Gupte - Taare Zameen Par

Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy – Jhoom Barabar Jhoom
 * Best Music - Pritam – Life in A… Metro


 * Most Promising Newcomer (Male) - Ranbir Kapoor – Saawariya


 * Most Promising Newcomer (Female) - Deepika Padukone – Om Shanti Om

Aamir Khan - Taare Zameen Par Feroz Abbas Khan – Gandhi My Father
 * Most Promising Debut Director


 * Best Child Artiste - Darsheel Safary - Taare Zameen Par

What do you say? Shahid •  Talk 2 me  21:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * One correction: at the Screen, I think Abhishek will win, but at the Filmfare, either Shahrukh or Abhishek... In fact both gave great pers. LOL Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  12:05, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, as you said, Bette Davis is a legendary actress, whose career had spanned over 65 years, so the comparison is laughable. Apart from that, the conditions for dead persons are far more favourable; you know, to illustrate a career of 65+ years, seven images are definitely acceptable (you have to remember that these images' copyrights are unknown and cannot be provided, that's why there is no problem in using images of 30 years and more) and the sections are very very long. I know that in Zinta's PR many editors said that FU images are not permitted at all. We were fighting them; I don't know what was their final conclusion on the discussion board of WP:ANI, but I can definitely assure you that even three images are over and above in our case. Plus, 20 years from now, you will see that Kareena's milestones are far different from what they are preceived today (K3G - I don't consider it a milestone, personally). So I would definitively say no. She has three sections (the right standard for career sections in BLPs of relatively young actors - three sections), and three images are enough to illustarate a career of less than 10 years. On the one hand, there is Bette, but you have to take into account FAs of young actors, and you'll see that even actors who have 20 years of notable work, have only two three images. With the time, with more films, these sections will be perfectly balanced and grown gradually, then we'll add, if some admin doesn't delete it like from Jolie's page (which also had only three images BTW). Regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  18:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I would say, Refugee is unneeded. The section is very short, and the film is kinda mm not so notable. Oh, and remember to illustrate a critical commentary please; the image must have some significant reason for usage. So I would say, for now (there is no problem with updating the page every few weeks), K3G -biggest commercial success; Chameli - new breakthrough, JWM - a hit after a long time, and a performance which will probably win her a Filmfare Best Actress Award. Although I like the image of Omkara VERY much, she has some amazing grace in that image, but it will be stupid to add an image of Omkara and JWM -- both films are separated by a difference of only one year, and only one paragrpah too... so they will be kinda attached to each other. LOL...
 * If you disagree with me, and still want to add four images, you can ask Blofeld for his opinion on that matter. I don't thik he will contradict that. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh God... rrrr... imagine to yourself what will be if Shahid and Kareena win the award!!! I'm shaking!!! On the one hand, it's funne because only after their split they are recognised as Jodi, and on the other, they will have to come on stage and recieve it together, won't they?... LOL... SRK Deepika???? No way! Well I also think Abhi-Ash have an opportunity. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think she is amazingly beautiful in that image of Omkara. With no makeup, with a deep gaze and so much grace -- an amazing portrait! But yes, never mind, JWM is likely to become more important. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, 90% go to Abhi-Ash... Ranbir and Sonam... Well I don't think. I also think that Sonam won't win the Best Female Debut. As for Best Male Debut, I think both Neil Mukesh and Ranbir deserve the award. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:59, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Tell me please, which film of Kareena do you expect the most? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  20:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Here I go again with the question:), a forthcoming film of Kareena that you are most anxious to see, that you just can't wait and die to see LOL:)). You can make a list, from your most anticipated film to least anticipated. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  20:13, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL, just like you the same ha ha ha!!! Tashan is mostly awaited, I like Akki-Saif, I like Akki-Kareena, and I want to see the chemistry between Saif and Kareena, in LOC it was quite short... Forgot to tell you that I liked Kareena's look in Kyon Ki. I also think she makes a beautiful pair with Sallu. Don't you? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  20:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * My least anticipated Zinta film is Heroes... Doesn't really impress me, and I didn't like Kyun Ho Gaya Na... In an interview, Zinta said, "I consider Har Pal my best film in recent times."
 * It is directed by 11 time National Film Award winning assamese director Jahnu Barua, who earlier directed the masterpiece Maine Gandhi Ko Nahin Mara. Regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  20:46, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I really hope that some of our mainstream actresses of today works with the great Shyam Benegal. Karisma had a great opportunity to do that with Zubeidaa. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  20:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't think a term like "aim" exists when making a film, because every possible director dreams of box office success to make money, to impress audiences, and on the other hand, all of them will be keen to recieve rave reviews. I do know that there is a difference between commercial and art cinema, but it's a difference in terms of content, not aim. In general, the main expectations of every director is to make money, collect audiences and receive compliments, all as one -- simultaneously. What do you think?
 * As for Har Pal, yes, Barua commented on several occasions, that it is his first commercial film. But yes, as Zinta commented in this very link I gave you, it's very realistic. It's a formula, directors, like Barua and even Bhansali and Mani Ratnam and I'll go further and say Vidhu Vinod Chopra and RGV, will always keep realism and seriousness in their films, no matter for what purpose they are making them. Yet, Bhansali once commented in the rapid fire of KWK:
 * Karan: "critical acclaim or box office?"
 * Sanjay: "box office"
 * Unfortunately, Saawariya got neither... LOL! Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  21:08, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Amrita Rao in Shyam Benegal's comedy? Are you kidding me Rahul? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  21:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh LOL OK good luck to her then!!! I'm quite shocked though!!!
 * Zubeidaa is a great film with Karisma delivering one of her three best performances. Yeh you're right, the audience prefers Masala flixkes rather than strong films, that's why many actors try to combine both into one and work and experiment both kinds of cinema. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  21:32, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think that yes, it has all the criteria to make it in big. Akki back to action; Akki back to YRF; Kareena in her first film since the hit JWM; Kareena back to YRF; Saif-Kareena, a fresh couple, in a film together; YRF make a new action film, a genre which proved to be a great success and so on and on... I just hope that the script is OK and not yet another nonsense attitude of Aditya Chopra towards his film, and then everything will be fine. Let's hope. I personally can't wait.;) Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  21:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeh I've seen... Sorry, just too busy in real life. Won't be able to edit as often, but I'll do the necessary when possible. This is Kareena's year all the way:) happy! She is right on the top this year. LOL Bollywood is so unstable when it comes to salaries and payments, it just changes EVERY year! Remember the Zora and all the INDICINE editors discussion regarding this? Ha ha ha... now I get why they didn't permit mention it. I have to go now, have a great day! Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  22:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

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Star Screen Awards
Great!

And I told you that Shahrukh would win ha ha ha!!! Great list! I'm very satisfied. You know that I immesely liked Kareena's JWM performance, and Shahrukh deserved the award. Only I think that Shefali Shah deserved the Best Supporting Actress award... "Chak De girls" is a bit superficial win... But nevertheless, great list. I'm going to watch Chameli now. I haven't seen it since long ago and almost forgot it. I think out of my "Rani-Preity-Aishwarya-Kareena" preferences, Kareena is emerging my second favourite, just hope in 2008 she keeps that way..

Regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:17, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks friend... hope you're doing well!!:) Oh BTW, neither Halla Bol nor MNIAG appeal to me and I don't know why... They just don't appeal to me LOL! Regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  18:15, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing that out. I'm also quite confused. The Indian express states: "Darsheel won the special jury award for best actor as well as for the best child actor."
 * But as I checked now here, it is apparently the same award: "Special Jury Award/Best Child Artist: Darsheel Safary, Taare Zameen Par". OK, I'll remove the Special Jury Award.
 * BTW, several sites claim that Amitji has won the Critic’s Best Actor award for Chenni Kum. And many don't. What do you think? Does this award exist? Regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  22:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * PS: As for the page protection.. Yeh it was protected. I have already written an article. Once it's unprotected, I'll shift the info and create it minutely. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  22:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks Rahul! :) Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  16:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey! Well, as of now, it's still in the form of a mere rumour. I also read in Hindustan Times, that Adi Chopra has cast the big four (SRK, Hrithik, Rani and Preity) for a new film, but it is also a rumour. Until a new confirmation comes out, it is not really valid. Regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  13:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

WOW!
I'm very impressed Mr. Rahul! What a dedication! The actress deserves to have a detailed description of her illustrious career.

Just had a few points. The Bharat Shah Case should not be mentioned because there is no description of that case neither in his page not in her page. It has on Zinta's because she was directly involved.

Plus, her perf. in Veer-Zaara was definitely hugely acclaimed but not in particular. "Praised in Particular" implies that she was praised more than every other actor in the film, but SRK was the one who was praised in particular and won almost all the awards he won for this film. Then of course Rani comes, and then Zinta, who had very little scope, but was praised too. We should take such claims when it is completely sure and not in arguable cases. It's like you say now Rani was PIP in Black, many would agree, but what with Amitji?

Also, from what I know, Rani's perf in KANK opened to some extremely mixed reviews, and she was a bit criticised for crying too much. Overall, her character was not liked, and that's also goes against her, because she is the one who chose to play such character (just like Preity was criticised for taking the short role in Jaanemann). On the one hand, she won an IIFA; on the other, she wasn't even nominated at the Star Screen. See this review. Remember I told you that? LOL!! But I think you've done a great job with this para on the article. The reception for her perf is very well illustrated in the article, because, generally, she was well-recieved. What you wrote in the article is OK...

The real problem is with LCMD, the article gave the impression as if she was hugely acclaimed by every possible critic and way more praised than KANK. While reviews were mostly moderate and not too praising. I know that newspapers didn't favour her too much, and even here, critics don't praise her over the top. If all reviews generally say, "she is good", so she is definitely well received, appreciated and even praised. But in our case, although reviews say "she was good", if you see with more observation, somehow there are additions of "though"/"although"/"even if"... Only indiaFM/BBC/BOC/TOI praise her wholeheartedly. Rediff criticised her. Therefore, the majority opinion wasn't all highly praised, but generally well received. Therefore, this "Rani Mukerji demonstrates precisely why she is Bollywood's reigning queen" is wrong (it is in any case an undue). So I believe, Taran's comment represents the reception very well. She exels, and it's great to see her in an author-backed role (in fact, she again wasn't nominated at the recent screen awards for the film. Personally, I don't get why the don't list her).

In general, the reception for KANK and LCMD was similar: for both she was greeted with mixed reviews and comments (have you seen KWK? Even there, they mentioned this after KANK), only that for KANK she was praised more, the film did better with the audience and she won an award for it. LCMD was a failure in the full sense of the word, and as critics commented, her performance didn't really save the day.

Regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  09:44, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Bollywood Dreamz. Thats a big improvement to what it was a few months -congrats on the hard work. Its quite well written now and restructured but echoing Shahid's comments above exactly the main problem is tone and being too selective with positive reviews she has received. Indeed the article does gave the impression as if she was hugely acclaimed by every possible critic and I feel it is important to give a balanced view of things. Surely not all of her reviews were like this. Surely she has had negative criticism? I feel it is important to weigh up all of the major sites and newspapers who have reviewed her and portray a neutral way of looking at it compiling these sources. Keep up the good work <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦      <font size="-4"><font color="Black">Talk? 12:36, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Mmm yeh she was criticised for a huge amount of films, all these B-grade films of the 2000s like Bichoo, Badal, films with Govinda etc. but they are just so non-notable. And, as I said, recently she was partially criticised for LCMD, KANK, Baabul... And I know that the reception for B&B was also mixed. But I'm busy to go through it. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  13:00, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Tried to tone down... The Black para was somehow complicated so I rewrote a bit. It was kinda... : "She was acclaim for B, she prepared for the roles etc etc, she won acclaim for B"... something very repetitious. Added one mixed negative comment for B&B. There were several negative comments for this film. Back in time, Pa7 added one but Haphar removed it. I hope doesn't try to shorten the page any longer.
 * GREAT WORK RAHUL!!! Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  14:32, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

The page to look at and general content is very goodm but it is very important as I said above to give a fair view of things and try to write it from a neutral viewpoint rather than a fans view, particularly if this affects the complete accuracy of it. One word of adivce is to try to completely avoid being selective with quotes and add content which proportionally represents the overall response. E.g if 3/4 of all reviews were positive -include 3/4 positive and 1/4 negative and vice versa. Occasionally reviews may be mixed themselves -these are good ones to add also. Regards <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦      <font size="-4"><font color="Black">Talk? 20:19, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeh, but thanks God in most cases, there is a majority opinion.
 * You're welcome, You're welcome, You're welcome friend!!!
 * I think you'd done a brilliant work anyway! That's amazing that so many article are gradually getting a new form thanks to such amazing editors like you and the other guys!
 * Of course, I'm very aware of the recent Stardust awards, and not only I know, I took the time to update all the pages. LOL!

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 * Regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  20:24, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely. But only include professional reviews that have some degree of intergrity. If some nothing amateur journo says "Her performance was a disgrace" or something, perhaps best not to include it but if a reputable reviewer expressed neagativety certainly include it, But as I said try to include it so it best represents the overal ratio of the positive and the negative, By the looks of things judgung by Shahid;s' comments its being sorted very quickly. Good luck <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">♦ Sir Blofeld ♦      <font size="-4"><font color="Black">Talk? 20:33, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * That's exactly what I was thiking about. The section is too short and there is nothing else to add. ---> Merge. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  13:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * My bad... LOL! Yes, didn't! :) Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  06:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)