User talk:BRMo/Archive 4

Jackie Robinson and Philly Stars
I appreciate the heads-up on the Jackie Robinson page, and your compliments on the Philly Stars. I think what needs to be said was said about the Jackie Negro League All-Star game mention. I will double-check that the revert was made to include the 1945 appearance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smel4727 (talk • contribs) 14:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The issue appears to be resolved. BRMo (talk) 04:37, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Hilldale edit
Just thought I'd let you know that the earlier edit with the parenthetical statement you removed was placed there by Dr. Neil Lanctot, the author of a book on Hilldale. I had removed the edits myself a bit earlier because they sounded a little like a Ron Liebman edit, and he wrote me a note via email after having put them back in. I just placed a reference tag within the edit to show it was legitimate, but forgot to remove his editorial comment. He had never edited on Wikipedia before, and just didn't know the rules.

He told me that it would take him a month to correct all the inaccuracies in Negro League articles if he had the inclination to try; remembering the battle over Josh Gibson's "more than 800" home runs, I told him he was an optimist in thinking it could be done in less than a period of years. -- Couillaud (talk) 17:24, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know. I haven't read Lanctot's book, though it's high on my "wish list." I hope he decides to contribute some more to Wikipedia. As you know, many of the Negro league articles are either embarrassingly incomplete or a morass of misinformation. Unfortunately, I haven't had much time to spend on Wikipedia recently; mostly, I've just been checking for vandalism. Maybe by late summer I'll be able to start editing seriously again. BRMo (talk) 19:33, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: AFD Closing for List of countries with their first Major League Baseball player
Well, I'm not sure how to explain it, but "it's interesting and well referenced" certainly isn't a valid argument. Same goes for "it isn't interesting". These sorts of "votes" essentially boil down to WP:ILIKEIT and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. If you feel it's necessary, you might want to initiate a discussion at WP:DRV. Regards, –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  13:56, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Jackie Robinson
I noticed you checked up on this page. I'm trying to take it to FA status, and any help would be appreciated. BillTunell (talk) 23:06, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll look at it and give you some comments. BRMo (talk) 04:45, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

DRV for Category:Knuckleball pitchers
The close of Categories for discussion/Log/2009 April 17, in which you participated, is now under discussion at Deletion_review/Log/2009 April 28. Alansohn (talk) 04:48, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Endorse
At the risk of sounding stupid, what do you mean by "Endorse"? What are you guys endorcing-- the review, the redirect, the restoration? I'm not hip to the Wikipedia lingo.--Johnny Spasm (talk) 01:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Articles are listed at Deletion review because someone disputes the decision made by the closing administrator of an articles for deletion discussion. The decision from an AFD discussion is supposed to reflect the consensus of the editors who participated in it and to be consistent with Wikipedia policies and guidelines.  The deletion review is an opportunity to challenge the decision made by the closing administrator if their decision didn't reflect the consensus of the discussion or was inconsistent with policy.  According to the instructions for commenting in a deletion review, users are asked to recommend one of three options:  (1) if they endorse the decision made by closer of the AFD discussion, they are agreeing that the closer's decision correctly reflected the consensus of the discussion and was consistent with Wikipedia policy; (2) they can ask to relist the article again on AFD to allow more users to participate in the discussion; or (3) they can ask to overturn the decision made by the closing administrator if they disagree with that decision.  (There's actually a fourth option available, but it's only relevant for articles that never went through a previous AFD discussion—for example, if they were speedy deleted.)  When I said endorse, I was saying that I agreed that the decision made by the closing administrator of the AfD discussion was the appropriate one based on the discussion that took place. BRMo (talk) 03:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Dobie Moore edit by Ron Liebman
We have another sighting, this one named "Willie Robinson". The Walter Moore cited as born in 1895 and died 1977 in Cobb, GA was white. I know this because finding the final resting place of Dobie Moore has been one of my major projects for over three years, and I have the actual death certificate of that particular Walter Moore. Mr. Liebman put the same information up at the Baseball Bullpen, and I cleaned it up already.

I'd do it myself here, but there are others more experienced with dealing with Mr. Liebman, and I'm not in the mood to fight any further battles today. I just had an original photo of a musician that I'd uploaded over two years ago marked for "speedy deletion" and then deleted three hours later because I hadn't filled out the forms as precisely as the Wiki Copyright Cops wanted. I despise the games that people play those games around here. -- Couillaud (talk) 05:43, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know. I've requested a sockpuppet investigation at Sockpuppet investigations/Willie Robinson. BRMo (talk) 14:29, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Additional information needed on Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ron liebman
Hello. Thank you for filing Sockpuppet investigations/Ron liebman. This is an automated notice to inform you that the case is currently missing a code letter, which indicates to checkusers why a check is valid. Please revisit the page and add this. Sincerely, SPCUClerkbot (talk) 22:46, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:POINT
Hello BRMo. I'm actually not, in fact, disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point. After taking a step back from the Expos article, I realized that, despite wording technicalities, the categorization is a good idea. As such, I have gone ahead and re-instated my edits on the various teams' pages. Hope all is well! Badger Drink (talk) 21:29, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If you really think these categories are appropriate for all of these articles, please discuss it with other editors, since we obviously don't understand or agree with your reasoning. For the Montreal Expos article, please discuss it at Talk:Montreal Expos‎  For discussion of the other teams' articles, I recommend taking it up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Baseball‎.BRMo (talk) 01:42, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Jackie Robinson
Thanks for noticing the work on Jackie Robinson -- and for my first barnstar! BillTunell (talk) 19:56, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


 * It's certainly well deserved. I mostly observed the process from afar, but it appeared that you ran into more than your share of frustrations.  Thank you for sticking with it. BRMo (talk) 22:51, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Satch, photos, and also Template question
Hi, and great work on the Paige page, and on the other HOF pages. I left a note on the discussion asking if anyone had a good photo of Paige in his prime to add to the front of the article. In the past, when I pop into the mood, I edit Hall of Famers pages, some of them, many of them, seem like stubs. On almost all of them I've pulled their election to the Hall into either the first paragraph or a stand alone second paragraph. Is there a wiki group working on Hall of Fame pages? Thanks. Will check back, Randy Kryn (talk) 22:58, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Just left a note for a photo on the Whitey Ford page, worked a bit on the Bill Foster page, which needs work, and doesn't have a photo either. I wonder how many Hall of Fame pages are going photoless? If a fellow as prominent as Whitey Ford doesn't have one, maybe it's a minor epidemic. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:40, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

One more, I've noticed that the Negro League Players in the Hall of Fame don't have a template. Seems every other category has one (maybe not Executives, like ole' Will Harridge and the gang), anyone ever play at creating one? Thanks again, Randy Kryn (talk) 14:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry about taking a while to respond—I've been off-line and traveling. I agree, photos would be a good addition to these pages.  I was looking for a public domain photo of Satch and wasn't able to find one, but a fair use photo should be fine.  Please go ahead and add photos as appropriate.  Just be sure to add the necessary rationale and to follow all the fair-use rules, since any fair-use photo that doesn't follow all the rules gets deleted (usually without notice).   And no, there isn't a wiki group working specifically on Hall of Famers other than the main WikiProject Baseball.  I've thought of setting up a subproject for the Negro leagues, for which many of the articles are sadly neglected.  Right now, my rather modest short-term goals are to add infoboxes to the articles on Negro league Hall of Famers and to clean up and add in-line citations to Satchel Paige.  Regarding designing a template, that's not my forte, and the regular Template:Infobox baseball biography seems to work ok.  But if you think it would be helpful to create a specialized one, please go ahead.  I'll be happy to discuss it's design with you, but I probably can't help much with the coding. BRMo (talk) 11:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response. I'm also not a coder, and can't help with the photos either. These were just lacks I've seen traveling the Hall of Fame pages. Have gotten many of the Hall of Fame pages in better shape (section separations, edits, HOF mention high on page, etc.), many more to go. Thought of making a complete list of HOF pages which need photos, and may do that. I'll look at the baseball group and pop in a few of these ideas, to see if anyone there wants to go on a photo hunt or start a template. Thanks again, and again, the Paige article is in great shape. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:59, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Response
Hello, thanks for your message. The reason I put so many articles in the AfD category is because I believe it is better to have others (note the plural) decide whether to have an article deleted rather than a single person, as would be the case with a speedy delete. As well, the AfD method gives the article a chance to be saved, much like that of Stephen Kahn. Alex (talk) 21:04, 19 December 2009 (UTC)