User talk:Bacardycat

March 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, your addition of one or more external links to the page Nina's Hair Parlour has been reverted. Your edit here was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove links which are discouraged per our external links guideline from Wikipedia. The external link you added or changed is on my list of links to remove and probably shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. I removed the following link(s): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDlc4NApv1U), http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mqj6P4F2Ws) (matching the regex rule \byoutube\.com). If the external link you inserted or changed was to a media file (e.g. a sound or video file) on an external server, then note that linking to such files may be subject to Wikipedia's copyright policy and therefore probably should not be linked to. Please consider using our upload facility to upload a suitable media file. Video links are also strongly deprecated by our guidelines for external links, partly because they're useless to people with slow internet connections. If you were trying to insert an external link that does comply with our policies and guidelines, then please accept my creator's apologies and feel free to undo the bot's revert. However, if the link does not comply with our policies and guidelines, but your edit included other, constructive, changes to the article, feel free to make those changes again without re-adding the link. Please read Wikipedia's external links guideline for more information, and consult my list of frequently-reverted sites. For more information about me, see my FAQ page. Thanks! --XLinkBot (talk) 11:00, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:NHP 1st.jpg
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Bacardycat: Thank you for your message. Nina's Hair Parlour are the owner of the Copyright and I have their permission to upload it.
 * Then you have to make that explicitly known. Please see WP:COPYREQ, you have to use the template OTRS pending and forward the permissions to the OTRS team. Please do the same for their logo as well. Claiming that you are the author is a violation of copyright, which Wikipedia takes very seriously. Opencooper (talk) 23:35, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Nina's Hair Parlour
Hello, Bacardycat. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Nina's Hair Parlour, you may have a conflict of interest. People with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, see the conflict of interest guideline and frequently asked questions for organizations. In particular, please:


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Please familiarize yourself with relevant policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing, and autobiographies. Thank you. Opencooper (talk) 08:34, 2 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Bacardycat: Thank you Opencooper for your message. I am not affiliated in any way. I have followed Nina and Issidora's careers for years. I am from former Yugoslavia just like they are and simply wish to contribute to the information that's all. I was using this page as my guideline to editing : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gia_Milinovich — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bacardycat (talk • contribs)
 * Then please accept my apologies. My main basis for this was that you had uploaded their logo saying "created for Nina's Hair Parlour using Photoshop" and listing yourself as the author. I hope you do own the copyright to the image, otherwise it is a copyright infringement and must be deleted from Commons because it only accepts freely licensed images; instead you'd have to upload it locally to Wikipedia under fair use. Please be careful in the future to write from a neutral point of view. Your additions to the article were much too promotional and unencyclopedic, and they also introduced external links in the body of an article which is considered inappropriate by our linking guideline. Also Gia Milinovich looks fine to me and seems quite neutral, but you might want to look out our featured biography articles for examples of Wikipedia's best articles. Please let me know if you have any questions related to writing from a non-promotional standard. Opencooper (talk) 23:30, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Bacardycat: I take this very seriously and I know that all the external links can be verified if need be. They have an email and if it would help I am sure that they wold send me the documents that prove that the links I added to their work with Dr Worsley and other celebrities have happened. I know that they did the hair and makeup for those TV programs because I saw the their name on the closing credits. Gia's profile cites her accomplishments and I do not understand why it is a breach of guidelines if the list of NHP accomplishments is listed too. I did not use any excessively gratuitous language, just stated the facts. Those facts can be checked on their Social media and the internet. Why is Gia's Twitter ok to be added to her profile and NHP's not?
 * I think credits should work since those are verifiable; you could cite those using the Cite episode template. And the issue is that Wikipedia relies on verifiability. All information must have been published somewhere in a reliable source. While your information could be correct, I don't know because your links don't verify it. Please read those policies to understand why Wikipedia requires this. That is why I marked those statements for needing citations. As for promotional language, the article used terms like "premier", "instrumental", and included gratuitous links and citations to other famous people which made it look like the article was trying to puff up Nina's. It might not have been your intention but that is what it looked like to me.


 * As for the Gia article, different editors work on different articles and each are up to a different standard. If you look at Talk:Gia Milinovich, the article was rated as a stub-class article. That's below start-class, C, B, and Good Article status. Nowhere near as exemplary as Featured Article status. My point is that it's not the epitome of a perfect Wikipedia article while the Featured Biographies I linked you earlier are. The reasoning for why the twitter link was removed was linked in the edit summary, please read the policy and let me know if you still don't understand and I'll try to explain better. I have also applied to the same change to Gia's article.


 * Also I have to apologize again because in my edit summaries it looks like I was yelling at you, but I was using all-caps for emphasis because you can't italicize in edit summaries. Also I am a singular editor while things on Wikipedia are done by consensus so if you disagree with anything I am saying, you are more than welcome to bring it up on the talk page of the article, and there are various venues where you can ask for help. Opencooper (talk) 03:14, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Bacardycat: Thank you Opencooper for your message. Issidora and Nina were instrumental in compiling the data and publishing the BECTU Fashion rate card. It is their modesty that did not allow BECTU to publish their names as they started the integration of fashion makeup artists and hair stylists through their Facebook group and approached BECTU's chairman Mr Tom Bell for support and guidance which he provided. I am uncertain how to word it differently. Re other famous people I honestly don't know where am I going wrong. Their names were on closing credits but I cannot add the link to the video on Wikipedia. I am sure that if I asked them they would provide the written proofs and filming schedules but those are not usually published documents. They started the whole vintage craze and were on TV with Richard and Judy etc. and they have created hair pieces for Lady Gaga and I did not add those facts because I did not want to appear like I was name dropping and associating NHP with mega celebrities. Issidora and Nina also worked with Grace Jones and are close friends with Grace's brother Chris. Nina's Hair Parlour is incredibly influential and have inspired hundreds of people to open their own salons and pursue careers in vintage styling, They are the best at what they do and offer exclusive service. I did not mention any of that just added the facts. Please advise further ( I have sever dyslexia and reading articles is exceptionally difficult for me). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bacardycat (talk • contribs)
 * The issue with the famous people is the the citations don't confirm that NIna's worked on them. That's really the problem at hand, If you can find a citation for any of those statements from reliable sources, then they are more than welcome to be added. I sympathize that it can be very difficult finding sources especially for supporting staff in major productions. This source includes a few people they've worked on and how they're now a private operation and this source also talks about how they were the first vintage salon. To cite credits, you do not need to link to the actual episodes. Just list the name of the show in the reference and if it was for a specific episode, the episode number. Name-dropping itself isn't a problem if you limit the number of names and add appropriate references. If they are notable for that it certainly is worth mentioning.


 * Lastly do not be disheartened if you aren't able to add all the important information about them. While Wikipedia's goal to is to compile the sum of all human knowledge, it's design limits it to repeating what is written by reliable sources, which means it will always be missing certain information. There are always alternate avenues to remedy that, from publishing the information on Nina's website itself or hosting it on a website with less stringent conditions. I can tell that you are definitely a sincere editor that only wants to see the article improved so I'll try my best to help. (Also do use ~ after your comments to sign them.) Opencooper (talk) 07:10, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Bacardycat: Thank you that really helps. I will see if I can find more information and read through the links you sent me.
 * Repeat after me: "External links do not belong in the body." "External links do not belong in the body." "External links do not belong in the body." Then read WP:EXT which says right in the first sentence: "but they should not normally be placed in the body of an article.". Thanks. Opencooper (talk) 00:34, 31 March 2016 (UTC)