User talk:BackoftheYardsHistorian

April 2014
Hello, BackoftheYardsHistorian, welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. Your editing pattern indicates that you may be using multiple accounts or coordinating editing with people outside Wikipedia. Our policy on multiple accounts usually does not allow this, and users who use multiple accounts may be blocked from editing. If you operate multiple accounts directly or with the help of another person, please remember to disclose these connections. Trut-h-urts man (T • C) 00:20, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Shameless (U.S. TV series). Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been reverted or removed. Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive, until the dispute is resolved through consensus. Continuing to edit disruptively could result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Trut-h-urts man (T • C) 00:20, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
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Hello!
Hello, Trut-h-hurts man! Thanks for the nice welcome to Wikipedia and help with navigating the edit process.

Here are some quick responses to your comments: 1) I am having password/account issues but do not have multiple accounts. I'll get this resolved asap. 2) I also feel you should refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Shameless (U.S. TV series). Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been reverted or removed. You continue to reference blog-type local Chicago articles from early 2013 that have been proven incorrect and unsubstantiated. Do you check the sources of your sources? I recommend you use only current sources going forward on this topic.

3) I didn't realize there was a content dispute on this edit (I assumed my changes were not saving correctly). Thanks for your help here and instructions on how to resolve!

4) In regards to Shameless, the series IS based on the Back of the Yards neighborhood, not Canaryville. I know this because a family member spoke to a producer on a local set and I've also watched the many, very specific references to the Back of the Yards neighborhood over the years.  My family members (one a Chicago Police Officer) spoke to a producer on the actual set, while the crew filmed locally in the North Lawndale neighborhood.  The producer indicated the team visited Canaryville pre-production but found it wasn't a fit for the show (mainly because it was not racially diverse, it is a middle class area rather than one with high unemployment rates and Cville has no violent crime).  The Back of the Yards neighborhood matched the profile and background of the Gallagher family, the schools the characters attend, the friends they keep, etc.  Secondly, if you watched the show and were familiar with the local areas, you'd understand that the script references the Back of the Yards neighborhood often. Not limited to but most recently, one of the main characters specifically discusses growing-up and living in the Back of the Yards neighborhood. Incidentally, most filming takes place in the North Lawndale neighborhood and the crew has never filmed in Canaryville.

My recommendation is that we compromise and remove the neighborhood reference. Please advise if you are agreeable.

Thanks again for your assistance. --BackoftheYardsHistorian (talk) 12:47, 30 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the delay - generally when you're looking for a response, you should post on my (or whoever you're trying to reach) talk page, and not your own (so I am made aware that you want to talk). I will respond to your concerns in order.


 * 1) Quite frankly, that's a load of crap. Someone signs up with the username "BackoftheYardsHistorian", another with "BackofYardsHistorian", and both make the same edits to one page within a small time frame of the other? Doesn't take much to figure that one out.


 * 2) Read WP:V and WP:RS. The sources in place are not "blog-like", and if you want to dispute their veracity or reliability the place to do it is the article's talk page. Do not remove without consensus there. You alone do not get to decide that the sources are unreliable, especially when weighing it against original research.


 * 3) Ok.


 * 4) Similar to #2 (WP:OR). Your family member's conversation with a producer is not an example of a reliable source. Your personal observations about the show's location is not an example of a reliable source. Your personal observations about Chicago's crime rate is not an example of a reliable source.


 * My recommendation is that you read the policies I have mentioned above, and discontinue your disruptive editing to the page. WP:VNT (an essay) will add to my explanation. Thanks.  Trut-h-urts man  (T • C) 22:04, 7 May 2014 (UTC)