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Happy editing! ‡  Jarlaxle   09:17, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Double bass: featured article
I have nominated the double bass article to become a featured article. As a contributer to this article, please support the nomination. -Bottesini 16:06, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Hi! I seem to remember talking to you before about extremely short articles. If so, welcome back. The entry over at Tristan Murail will surely be deleted immediately if you don't add more to it beyond the opening sentence. Can you research yur subject a bit closer, add some more info and, if necessary, hang a stub notice at the bottom? Just type and you're set. Best, Lucky 6.9 8 July 2005 20:18 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks--you're very quick. If you'd wait more than 22 seconds after the first version of the article goes up ;-) you'll see that it becomes more of a real article over the succeeding minutes. I'm getting better at this.  All the best to you and your own articles.

UNYAZI 2005
Thanks, I didn't know about this. Zim Ngqawana and Carlo Mombeli are local musicians I like to see whenever I get the chance -- and there's much else that sounds interesting. I live close to Wits, so I will definitely try to attend. Ferdinand Pienaar 21:37, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I didn't get to see this, as my work took me to China at this time. (Spending about three months in Shanghai, and a few days in Beijing, was of course an interesting experience in itself -- I plan to return soon, this time as a tourist. I see from your user page that you speak some Chinese.) Ferdinand Pienaar 08:35, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Bari sax
Great edits on the baritone saxophone article! Those were all areas that I felt were awkward, so thanks for your good eye. Badagnani 02:45, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks to you for thoroughly unstubbifying the article. &brvbar; Reisio 02:51, 2005 July 17 (UTC)
 * My nick's actually an inversion of the last half of my mother's maiden name, Courvoisier, which is Swiss. An uncle of mine uses the nick Courvo, so I decided to basically use the reverse.  Now you've got me curious, though - what makes you think it's Finnish? &brvbar; Reisio 04:41, 2005 July 30 (UTC)
 * Interesting. :) &brvbar; Reisio 04:47, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

Signing edits
As a courtesy for other editors on Wikipedia, please sign your talk page and user talk page posts. By adding four tildes (~) at the end of your comments, your user name or IP address and the date will be automatically added. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 08:28, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the recommendation about signatures; I was worried however that the vandal 222.153.153.88 (who I am trying to clean up after right now) would retaliate by making bad edits to my own page. What to do in this situation? (Unsigned comment by Badagnani)
 * Well, I recommend not worrying about it; if they vandalize your page it will be quickly reverted, by you or another user. I commonly deal with vandalism, and have only had my page vandalized twice.  Also, you forgot to sign your edit on my user page. ;) -- BMIComp  (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 08:37, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * You may also want to read Dealing with vandalism -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 08:42, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Dot Project maps
Hi,

Sorry I didn't reply sooner, but I set your question aside, and then, of course, I forgot about it.

The dot maps are made using Paint Shop Pro 8. I start by datamining the Census Bureau's databases and TIGER mapping facility, Wikipedia, and anybody else, usually the target state's mapping agency, for all the raw data I need. I put together a rather nicely automated Excel spreadsheet that has the municipalities for each county in the target state, including latitute and longitude. The spreadsheet also "calculates" the various strings needed for each Wikipedia article (like "Image:MNMap-doton-Winnebago.png|right|Location of Winnebago, Minnesota" and "MNMap-doton-Winnebago", so that part is just cut and paste. The other element is to take some x,y points from each state's image that I can reference to a longitude and latitude and then do a linear regression to create map coordinates, again calculated by Excel. For instance, given Winnebago's longitude and latitude, its dot should be centered at (104,283) on the image.

I place the dots manually using Paint Shop Pro (never figured out the Python code I'd need to automate that part) and most important, I compare the location I put the point with its location on a county map for each county. This is necessary because of non-linearities in the process, and other minor issues that can move a point a few pixels away from its real map position.

I'm very slowly finishing Minnesota - the other states I've done have gone much faster, but since April, I've had to spend more time in the real world. Still, I'm gonna see it through. Thanks for your question. Catbar (Brian Rock) 21:46, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

It could be harder, but it does take some time and effort. I tend to think of it like a crossword or jigsaw puzzle, but with some permanent benefit - a Wikipedia Dot Project map.

I think the tech to automate it fully is around now, or is coming available. I see it being used to replace these maps with some more spiffy ones. Some of the base maps are a bit fuzzy.

My wife is going to school in Kent right now - we were there yesterday. She's there four times a week, and I get over once in awhile to eat at Ray's Place with her. I like Kent - it's a nice place. Take care. Catbar (Brian Rock) 02:23, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Léonin
Thanks! That's the best laugh I've had today ... never thought anyone looked at that page. Happy editing! Antandrus (talk) 02:36, 27 July 2005 (UTC)


 * You're right, I like the early and the late (and the middle too, but there's other people who work on that stuff) ... thanks for the kind words, and you've racked up quite a list of new articles yourself in just a month here! I hope you stick around for a while!  Take care, Antandrus  (talk) 05:13, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Caron
Is there a difference between ǔ and ǔ to you? Sjschen 02:09, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

My guess, is that your browser is rendering Wikipedia pages in a font that is not completely unicode complient Sjschen 02:10, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

What I mean is that the font, which you browser is using to draw the letters, does not do diacritics and junk well or that it cannot be properly combine dicritics and letters. I'm not completely sure how browsers choose there fonts but you can try to overide the font used to render wikipedia pages and see what happens --Sjschen 02:19, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Complain? Microsoft is a good start. :) In anycase why are you still using IE? Use Firefox instead. --Sjschen 02:26, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Petr Kotík diacritics
Feel free to change it. His birth name has diacritics. It is very frequent that emigrants drop it (or change name completely), very few use them to show their old ties. I don't know Kotík details. This article and several others about Czech people was created by someone who had no access to diacritics - I modified all of these.

If you have access to Kotík, you may ask him to check the facts in the article, whether it is really about him ;-) Pavel Vozenilek 16:51, 28 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for such detailed facts verification. I live in village Chvojenec, north-east Bohemia. Pavel Vozenilek 17:03, 28 July 2005 (UTC)


 * You may ask some admin to delete the Petr Kotik (w/o diacritics) and then move the Petr Kotík back. This should preserve history. AFAIK there no easier way to do it (copying text loses all history). Pavel Vozenilek 19:19, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Miroslav Vitous: I changed it to the pattern used for Kotik. I am doing cleanup of various Czechs and Vitous got among them. Reasons for not using "Vitoush" form: this would likely require some complicated bureacratic procedure, the original name is also brand (no one notices missing diacritics).

It is much easier for someone coming to the USA to keep the name intact (perhaps removing diacritics) and bend pronunciation. Pavel Vozenilek 21:29, 29 July 2005 (UTC)


 * One more reason: the Czech language actually doesn't need any diacritics, the proper pronunciation is almost always deduced without any ambiguity, naturaly to native speaker (Masa gets pronounced as Máša while Masha is a foreign word never to used by Czechs). Redundance of diacritics was "discovered" via Internet and SMS messaging. Pavel Vozenilek 21:45, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Btw, Ladislav Kubik has diacritics too: Kubík. . Pavel Vozenilek 23:17, 29 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Hehe, my name is properly written as Pavel Voženílek though I am lazy to rename it now, when it is feasible in WikiMedia 1.5. Pavel Vozenilek 23:35, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks...
...for correcting my correction for P.D.Q. Bach. I'm really not a big contributor to the 'pedia yet, so I still have a bit of trouble keeping track of a lot of the formatting conventions.

Doug A Scott 19:09, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Duh. Earlier, I meant, of course, my correction of Peter Schickele. Regarding your remarks on him, to be honest, I'm not terribly familiar with his more serious works, although I do know of them. I'm really a big fan of his satirical stuff... even if I don't always get the joke ;-) I'm seriously considering creating some pages for each of the PDQ albums.

Doug A Scott 19:20, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

"I'm seriously considering creating some pages for each of the PDQ albums.". Doug. I think this would be a fine idea. As you know the Amazon listings even have links to at least part of many of the ppieces in each album. I'll keep on the lookout for this fine idea. ericbritton 09:31, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

List of saxophonists
I've added columns for sopranino, bass, contrabass, & subcontrabass as per discussion. Just FYI in case the new amount of |'s wig you out. :) &brvbar; Reisio 04:30, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

Electric guitar
Sorry, I reverted to the wrong version! Thanks for catching that. Mr./Ms. 69.etc. isn't the one you reverted to, though, as s/he is one of the "clever" vandals. Very nice user page, by the way. Badagnani 06:35, 1 August 2005 (UTC)


 * No problem; it seems obvious that you just was a bit quick on the trigger. But you should consider the possibility that 66.238.188.67 was just a well-meaning user; there is no evidence to the contrary. Thue | talk 07:39, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Sax family photo
Thanks for the reformatting. I'll check your code and see how you did it. Should the photo credit also appear in the caption on the main page or is it proper to only list it in the page you get when you click on the photo? Badagnani 20:48, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Now I notice the photo in the saxophone article is back to the original uncropped photo from Jay Easton's site, with poor contrast. I did spend some time adjusting it so that it would work better in the article. Is the reason you changed it back because you objected to the cropping and contrast adjustment? Badagnani 21:03, 6 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I think credit in the info page is enough. I swapped it for the original large version just so the large version would be available (it's resized for the article).


 * I hadn't realized you'd cropped it...doesn't really bother me, but neither would recropping as long as it's noted. I was about to make the contrast match, but then I remembered that images are oddly darker and less contrasted here on my Linux box than on most people's computers.  I've no objection to upping the brightness/contrast on the big one - I'll even do it if you like.


 * Now, do you think you could ask Jay to release it under a free license? You see, at the moment it's by permission, and as you'll see on the information page, Wikipedia will soon be removing all such images from its content . &brvbar; Reisio 21:09, 2005 August 6 (UTC)

Redid the levels as you said. It does look nicer. :) I'll get you the licensing info in a minute. &brvbar; Reisio 21:26, 2005 August 6 (UTC)


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags#Free_licenses - these "Free licenses" are basically the acceptable ones (unless he wants to just release it into the public domain, of course). Template:CopyrightedFreeUseProvidedThat is probably about as close to "used with permission" as we can get and still have it be something that won't end up deleted.  I would suggest that one or Template:CopyrightedFreeUse. &brvbar; Reisio 21:39, 2005 August 6 (UTC)


 * Also, you might get his opinion on the change of levels/brightness/contrast and cropping it to just him and the saxophones. &brvbar; Reisio 21:41, 2005 August 6 (UTC)

OK, just asked him all. I assume that his emailed response stating which license he prefers will be sufficient? Badagnani 21:51, 6 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, as far as I know. I think Wikipedia really operates more along the lines of "We trust what the users who upload images label their licensing as...unless evidence to the contrary is brought forward.".  So as long as you and Jay are square and the image is watched (as of course it will be) so that its licensing isn't abused, everything should be peachy. &brvbar; Reisio 21:56, 2005 August 6 (UTC)

OK, just asked him all. I assume that his emailed response stating which license he prefers will be sufficient? Badagnani 21:51, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Just got the licensing permission from Jay Easton. Can you take it from here and add the proper license (with his stipulations)? Badagnani 23:55, 6 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I can - what are the stipulations? &brvbar; Reisio 00:11, 2005 August 7 (UTC)


 * Okay - that should all be sorted now: Image:JayCEastonSaxFamily.jpg. Good work. :) &brvbar; Reisio 02:46, 2005 August 7 (UTC)

Leoš Janáček location
I'd reverted the edit. The country he died was then called Czechoslovakia. IMHO it is the best to avoid country name at all as the official name had changed dozen of times during last 150 years. The Moravia itself was not country, rather large administrative unit.

It is sometimes complicated to fit Czech related items into existing structure of Wikipedia, really. Pavel Vozenilek 15:27, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Bass oboe
Sorry it's taken me so long to reply, I usually only log in to make edits.

I've only played the regular oboe. The bass oboe is something I've read about but never actually even seen in person. I will reread the Grove article about it and then try to clarify what I wrote earlier. Del arte 23:27, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Arlington selectmen
I googled for their names and got nothing but genealogy sites. :) Furthermore, that IP had had two edits, and the other was a vandalism, so I didn't have high hopes. And yeah, I dunno if they are really needed to be included. :) --Golbez 19:06, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Cindy Sheehan
Hi. I understand why you deleted my insertion about the gun guy getting money from a network, since it isn't in the link (or the one you added, either), but I got the info from an ABC news TV report. I just can't find it on any online source. Zoe 06:45, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

I think it is important that the criticism section describe all the criticism from Drunge/O'Reily, their inability to keep to the same story three days in a row is itself interesting, as is the attempt by the WH to remain unconnected to it. In a couple of weeks the story is quite likely to be the criticism itself. --Gorgonzilla 15:43, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

I think that the article is coming along nicely. Thank you for your good writing and editing. Americanus 15:54, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Great editing! --70.19.7.50 06:51, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Regarding adding the Ogg Vorbis DN! audio links to the Cindy Sheehan page: The audio is only in non-free formats, namely RealAudio and MP3. The links to the Ogg Vorbis files are not linked to from DN!'s transcript pages despite that free formats are available on archive.org as well. I was under the impression that Wikipedia cared about Ogg Vorbis audio more than other formats, hence the links to the Ogg Vorbis formats would be welcome. J.B. Nicholson-Owens 23:38, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Badagnani, you wrote... ''Amazing editing on the Sheehan article. Re: Bush's decision to leave, make sure you make a distinction (doesn't exist with your newest edit) between Bush's *decision* to leave Crawford and his *leaving* Crawford.''

My intention in that edit was to capture two things 1) Cindy Sheehan had planned to leave Camp Casey on August 25. Her leaving Crawford was actually before her planned date by a few hours.  Her leaving had little to do with Bush leaving, it was nearly according to plan. 2) Bush decided to leave his vacation, but actually dragged his heels and went to Washington. He did not even stop in Louisiana to make a supporting visit and speak. It's almost as if the man totally lacks compassion. I will add the time he actually left. Thanks for reminding me.

Also note that he originally planned a five week vacation. If he left nearly a week and a half early, it might focus on it. Notice how the media conveniently changed it to a month long vacation (meaning four weeks)? Kgrr 05:49, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Badagnani, thanks for your help in the edits. YES!! It definitely looks like they cooked the books with the five week vacation. Also, how interesting that this disaster is almost exactly four years after 9/11. I wonder if he had to be coached to leave his golfing vacation to solve this problem.

Also, it looks like Cindy Sheehan will take the next three weeks to take the bus tour all across the US. I really believe that we are about to see the end. If Bush is not very careful, he will look like a fool by continuing the war in Iraq and not sending relief efforts (the National Guard) to Louisiana in time. Maybe this is Bush's accidental exit strategy. We'll see. Kgrr 06:56, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Badagnani, bwwaaa-haha! I think Bush's address of the Boy Scout Jamboree is classic! Don't you think it would have been better if he cancelled that appearance and landed in Baton Rouge to have a face-to-face with the Governor of Louisiana?? Do you think he scheduled this visit to the Jamboree at the last minute? (afterall he cut his five week vacation short to go to Washington DC to deal with this emergency) Kgrr 07:33, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Arlington West
Thanks for your work on that article, and that excellent pic from Santa Monica! This coming Sunday if I get a chance I'll take a picture of the one in Santa Barbara. Happy editing, Antandrus (talk) 16:36, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism
Is it official Wikipolicy that Moveon.org can be only objectively described as "progressive" but not "far left"? And besides what is the practical difference between the two?

Thanks, Www.jpfo.org

#
You wrote:

Perhaps you have forgotten, but your actual words were not "far left" but "read - fundamentalist left wing." You know and I know that your edit was made with blatant POV, and as such not appropriate to WP. General policy is to use the term individuals prefer to describe themselves. The summary on the WP page for "Free Republic" begins: "Free Republic is an American Internet forum and activist site for conservatives." Would I, or any other responsible wikipedian, add to this: "read - fundamentalist right wing"? Absolutely not. This is an encyclopedia, not a blog. Badagnani 07:05, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough, and though I have some reservation, I won't start up with a freedom fighter. (or anyone for that matter) For example, David Duke refuses the label 'racist' and many communists would prefer to be called humanists etc etc. So again - objectivity doesn't exist. For example, compared to me even Pat Buchanan and Michael Savage aren't right-wing. (not enough, anyway) but I guess the guy with access to the ban button has the last say in all matters, and here as in most places, we need not say what side on the social spectrum they are. Www.jpfo.org

#2
You know what, instaed of this bullshit, since you like music, why not elarge the Festetics string quartet article, it seems you have a lot of time on your hands. Are you a college student?

AW
Thanks! Took about 20 pics ... then signed up as a volunteer next Sunday ... Good work also on the CS article, btw. Happy editing! Antandrus (talk) 19:40, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Cindy Sheehan Anonymous Vandal
Boy, I hope your comment "you've won, etc." sends this vandal away. If you know the best way to alert the Sysops about his daily nonsense, please let me know. Great editing, btw.

Noticed comments about "vandalism" at the Cindy Sheehan article, but there's no vandalism just disagreement. Please use this label sparingly. Toshiba 22:42, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Violator sounds worse than vandal I suppose. Keep smiling :-) Toshiba 22:51, 21 August 2005 (UTC)


 * The problem is that it's real hard to do much about these anonymous vandals, especially when they use multiple IPs. We can't block anon IPs for more than 24 hours except under highly unusual situations. --jpgordon&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710; 23:53, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Vietnamese for Neem
Hi Badagnani - saw your request about this; my tip for finding out things like this is to use google advanced search, put the scientific name in the search box, and limit the search to websites of the country desired (in this case, .vn); this came up with Sầu đâu - MPF 08:37, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks! For searching by country, in google advanced, go to the line Domain [Only] return results from the site or domain and enter the country code in the box. If you don't know the country internet code (I didn't for Vietnam!), it is in the wiki infobox for every country - to get it, I just went to Vietnam to look it up :-) - MPF 08:49, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the positive feedback
It's always nice to get a pat on the back. Oh, gosh, gee whiz! Sfdan 07:11, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Correction
Yeah, I had your name in my edit search button and it got stuck as a caption, I changed it within about two minues when I realized it. It was not about YOU!!.Thanks.

Qin
Well, I'm from the UK! Never been to China and don't think I'll be going anytime soon since I'm stuck in here. I'm a member of the London Youlan Qin Society, plus NAGA. I've bought my qin from Wang Fei, but have grown out of it now, so I'm saving up for a new one.

P.S. I run a Chinese Music forum: http://starvoid.proboards30.com/index It's only recently open, but pop round if you want.

CCC

Photo
Well, I did it last night with my sister. I have taken about 10 and I selected this one as one of the best. I hope I could take more in the future, preferably outside in the park for a change. --CharlieHuang 14:52, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Tofu galore
Thanks for helping with the tofu article. Writing at this time at night really burns your head out. And always remember...If they fry tofu they will come... Cheers ;) --Sjschen 06:30, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

The fried tofu thing? Naw, that's just me needing sleep and not wanting to leave the space blank. Gotta sleep, but by all means go crazy with the article, and get your share of the protein filled goodnees. Hopefully people won't be to ticked off with the reorg and stuff. Lates. --Sjschen 06:37, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes, the preserved tofu with whole soybeans and rice is what I was trying to indicate with "...paste made of rice and soybeans." I just made the changes to the article to better communicate this. I am also certain that with your continued work on the tofu article it will eventually become a featured article. Oh, and as usual, thanks for cleaning-up my shoddy writing ;) --Sjschen 22:21, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

I think it's also just silken or a softer asian firm tofu. Maybe the fact that it's curdled with seawater deserves a special mention? As for the "uncurdled" part, I have no idea what it means. Maybe its "pure" and "uncurdled" goodness comes form the "sincerity" needed to make it. ;) As for the "tubu chorim", I'm not sure it's a good idea to put recipes in the section. Food ingredient articles can potentially wander off the track to become recipes repositories or endless "preparations lists". If you want to write about it, by all means, mention it in the preparations section. However, the bulk of the recipe should be put in the wikibooks cookbook. If it is culturally important (as mapo tofu is to Chinese), place it in as its own section in wikipedia, and mention in tofu. --Sjschen 19:16, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Gotcha, but the whole uncoagulated, uncurdled thing is confusing, I guess terminology can really get mixed up. Curdling is the coagulation of milk or milk-like protein solutions into a semi-solid. As schu sundubu is a unpressed, seawater curdled tofu. Let's put it down as a special kind of silken tofu/douhua since it appears to be an unpressed tofu made of plain seawater instead of a seawater derived salt. -- Sjschen 20:08, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Provided that the amount/concentration of coagulant use in producing the tofu is well managed (as should be by the manufacturers) there should not be a bitter taste in the tofu made using magnesium chloride. Although the textures of tofu made from calcium(tasteless) or magnesium(bitter) salt coagulants are different I personally cannot tell from taste alone which tofu is made from which coagulant. --Sjschen 19:34, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Is Burmese tofu really made from chick peas instead of lentils? The Burmese restaurateur who explained it to me told me it was made of lentils. Lentils don't really resemble chick peas (lentils are flat and so much smaller), so I don't know how these two legumes could have been confused. Badagnani 22:51, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure of if chick peas is lentils. But Burmese tofu is made from chick peas. It's a Shan dish actually. Kathari 23:20, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Diacritics
Nice work on the Folk musicians site. It looks like you're "fixing" many diacritics that were already in place, by inserting their codes rather than the actual diacritic characters. This means that you see the codes rather than the actual characters while editing, which makes it a bit more difficult when editing. One of WP's continuing improvements is that, recently, things were changed so that the characters can be added via the panel below the edit window rather than keying in the codes. Badagnani 22:33, 1 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Yes, it's quite laborious. I tried cutting & pasting from the panel when I first tried editing wiki pages a few months ago and it didn't work. I use a Mac, so perhaps that's why... SiGarb 23:01, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

When you edit, can you see a selection of about 100 diacritic characters, in blue, preceded by the text "Insert"? This is directly below the large rectangular gray buttons that say "Save page," "Show preview," and "Show changes." If you click to insert these characters, then they show up as that character instead of codes in the edited version as well as the text of the article itself. That seems to be the way to go since this feature was introduced.

BTW I had no idea there were so many artists in Northumberland (or is it Northumbria?). I've got to check this music out. There was a compilation released in the States some time ago called "Northumberland Rant." Badagnani 23:38, 1 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I've tried both clicking and cutting-and-pasting from the "Insert:" pane, but neither works for me! The underline appears but nothing happens in the Editing window. I suspect it's a Mac thing.


 * Cutting-and-pasting gives the character on first use, but then when I "Show preview" (or sometimes much later!) a black diamond with a question mark appears instead of the character. It doesn't always happen straight away, for instance, I'd been working on the "List of folk musicians" for a while before the previous editor's accents all disappeared and were replaced with question marks (which has made it difficult for me to track down some of the names I didn't know - I Googled various versions of the name until something appropriate came up! There are still a couple I can't find).


 * Northumberland is the county, Northumbria is a historical region (at one time, everywhere between the River Humber and the Scottish border!) but Northumbrian music has a definite identity and is widely played in County Durham, so it doesn't just belong to Northumberland. It's a very vibrant tradition and still very much alive, with a lot of excellent new players coming through. Folkworks (http://www.thesagegateshead.org/folkworks/index.aspx) has had a lot to do with the resurgence of interest, running summer schools and workshops with genuine traditional musicians as tutors, as well as notable figures from the revival scene. FARNE will give you a good historical perspective & much more besides! (http://www.asaplive.com/farne/home.cfm). SiGarbS

Energy crisis 2005
I hope things have been going well on the Sheehan article. Looks like you're keeping an eye on it. :-) I'm trying to keep improving the Energy crisis 2005 page, but there is a deletionist who would combine it with "oil price increases", a significantly different event.  I was wondering if you would be willing to take a look at the page, and maybe add a comment to the talk section.  Thanks!  Americanus 22:07, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Template:Mathrock
s/o overwrote the Template:RockBox with one on Math rock. I reverted the RockBox template and saved the new template as Template:Mathrock Paul foord 13:02, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Juju vs. jùjú
Hi, Badagnani. I've expressed some reservation here about your recent move of the article Juju music to Jùjú music. Would you mind popping in and looking it over? Thanks! BrianSmithson 20:03, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Lion
Thanks for starting the article on Lion - one of the things that kept me of starting it once before was the question of his surname. As for the birth certificate - it probably exists (if you are willing to go to Trinidad, stand in line for an hour, pay a small fee, and then come back and stand in line week later) - but I suspect that it may not be of much help - often births were registered without a name (my father's birth certificate just says "legitimate boy"). Guettarda 21:44, 7 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Caura is one of the valleys on the Northern Range - northern part of the island, pretty much right in the centre. To tell you the truth, I have never heard of Aroquita, but there could easily be a place by that name in the hills above Caura.  Unlikely that it would be Arouca - that's down in the lowlands.  Of course, he could have made it up, to seem like he came from somewhere more remote...he cultivated a "Spanish" mystique about him, it may have been true, but it was also part of the "legend".
 * I don't know all that much factually beyond what you have. I read some of his book, which probably warrants mention, I know some of his music, and I have seen many interviews with him on TV - he was "the" historian of calypso, the person that the tv stations went to for a sound bite or an interview. I'll ask my brother-in-law about Aroquita - he knows the hills above Caura fairly well (far better than I do).  Guettarda 22:25, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

hi, and hungary
Hey, just wanted to say hi since I've seen you all over my watchlist recently. Good work! I've been working on music of Nigeria for awhile now, and I think it could be ready if not for the lack of freely-licensed photos. If you have any ideas on that front, please let me know. Also, I've put music of Hungary on peer review, but it hasn't got any comments yet, so if you have anything to say, I'd appreciate suggestions -- that one's got photos, but no sound clips yet (I'm working on that, help there would be appreciated too). Tuf-Kat 04:53, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

Pinyin Diacritics
See Talk:Pinyin. -- G.S.K.Lee 23:21, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Bird names
Hi Badagnani - full caps are correct for birds, etc - see WP:TOL - MPF 21:57, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is not resolved; there's hours of discussion of it in the WP:TOL talk archives - as a generality, those who actually deal with wildlife a lot tend to use caps (it is what you will find in e.g. the vast majority of field guides), while those coming in from a non-wildlife linguistic background tend to argue for lower case. Any day you've a few hours to kill, take a look through those archives :-). Of the individual articles overall, all or virtually all birds are with caps, most mammals and reptiles are with caps, most fish are lower case, and plants are split about half-half (except the ones that are at scientific names) MPF 22:18, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I can see your point - I think the problem stems from that while the scientific names are formulated Genus species, English word order switches this to "species Genus". So if one were to follow the scientific principle for English names, then it would be "common Starling", which of course looks silly. Thus the move to capitalise both. That birds and mammals are more capitalised than other 'less glamorous' groups is to a certain extent a reflection of individual wiki editors, but also that the more glamorous groups tend (because of their popularity) to have more stabilised formal English names agreed by governing authorities (e.g. BOU, AOU) - MPF 22:46, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Pinyin Typography
Sorry to be late in responding. I don't always log on and this is my first attempt at a personal response. Regarding the Pinyin article's section on tones, yes, I recommend removing the large, funny-looking a's in parentheses. But be careful not to remove IPA symbols wherever they might be appropriate. --Taibeiren 07:50, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Bean curd
LOL. Well, yes, one should always be careful when generalising. I should have said it's rarely called that, but I played my card and you trumped it! Thanks for the links. You've made me wish I was in Melbourne. The food looks great!Grace Note 03:16, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I live in Brisbane. Your band sounds like great fun. I don't know how you'd get invited to Tamworth or similar (I think there are a couple of smaller, looser festivals around the place though, where being invited is a matter of asking -- dunno about paying for the trip though ;-)). If you can get the fare together, and maybe book yourself a couple of other dates, Woodford is very big. I've never been, but I know that it's a focal point of the folk scene here, and the Maleny areas is very nice to visit .Link here for internationals. Grace Note 06:04, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Woodford is in the Sunshine Coast hinterland. Thanks for pointing to the redlink! I'll fix that when I have a moment. I'm also going to put Maleny on the old to-do list. There's quite a lot to say about it because it's quite an artistic and tourist centre. Grace Note 06:27, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Cassia/Cinnamon
Hi Badagnani - the sale of Cassia labelled as Cinnamon is also common in Britain, and I strongly suspect also India, as the packs of Cassia sold as Cinnamon that I can get here are packed in India. It isn't just the US where this happens! Of the refs/ext links, I merged them so as to reduce the number of headers to just three, thereby getting rid of the contents box (only useful for very long pages, which Cassia isn't) - MPF 19:08, 16 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks; the position here doesn't seem to be quite the same as you're saying for the US, both are readily available here, both labelled as cinnamon (so one needs to know both to know what one is getting!). There is though a distinct difference in where one gets them, 'real' cinnamon from "native English" shops, and cassia labelled cinnamon from Indian/Pakistani ethnic shops. This I suspect at least in part derives from the use of cassia as an Indian food spice (put a couple of pieces in rice while it is cooking, for lovely aromatic rice to go with curries), while cinnamon is used more in traditional European sweet dishes (powdered cinnamon sprinkled on stewed apple, etc) - but that doesn't explain why the Indian shops sell their cassia labelled as cinnamon. Several UK cookery books on Indian food by ethnic Indian authors go to the trouble of specifying cassia for Indian recipes and then go on to state that it is usually sold labelled cinnamon, which probably does help people here understand the difference. - MPF 21:32, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds delicious :-) My mother points out that selling cassia as cinnamon also makes things difficult for people who want cassia: they look for it and can't find it because the label conceals it. Any suggestions for a better wording for the cassia article, or shall I go ahead and change it back to "Much of the spice in international trade labelled cinnamon is actually cassia"? - MPF 22:20, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Good points; I guess it'll need a para to itself, maybe titled 'trade names' or similar? I'll also add (which there isn't yet) a brief species description, tho' not now (it's late here, and the whole wiki is being so tiresomely slow at the mo) maybe tomorrow - MPF 23:56, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

bobby hebb
He lived down the street from me...--Nemonoman 19:37, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Style points
Brilliant.

I'm a freelance film critic/historian and copyeditor, specializing in the arts and politics. I've spent the last year (no exaggeration) copyediting the forthcoming (?) "NPR Encyclopedia of Classical Music"--and my style MUST be different from Grove's! To give you a taste of what that project is like, here is an addendum I've been affixing to every iteration of my stylesheet for the past six months with no result to date:

Possible Additions to Composer Entries by Category Living Americans: Corigliano, John; Daugherty, Michael; Kernis, Aaron Jay; Riley, Terry; Rochberg, George American Avant-Gardists: Brown, Earle; Feldman, Morton; Nancarrow, Conlon; Partch, Harry; Wolpe, Stefan; Young, La Monte 20th-Century Italians: Dallapicolla, Luigi; Maderna, Bruno; Nono, Luigi—each of the foregoing with at least three mentions at present; also: Donatoni, Franco; Malipiero, Gian Francesco; Scelsi, Giacinto Other: Adès, Thomas and/or Neuwirth, Olga (world’s leading composers under 40); Brouwer, Leo and/or Golijov, Osvaldo and/or Kagel, Mauricio (no living Latin American–born composers now represented); Seeger, Ruth Crawford (perhaps the U.S.’s finest female composer); Sheng, Bright and/or Satoh, Somei and/or Tan Dun (no living Asian-born composers now represented)

HB
Just checked out your Hamiet Bluiett entry--great. I added the recordings I happen to have on hand...

I do happen to be on the East Coast (NYC). Will revisit Cowell tomorrow. (He is one of my five favorite 20th-century composers, along with Ornstein, Scelsi, Berio, and...this week I'll say Schnittke. And Lou Harrison, of course. Six.) DCGeist 06:56, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Madras
But, though I have not seen the holograph, surely Madras is not a nickname, but Cowell's own title (or subtitle) for the work. One hesitates to take on New Grove, but italicization in a case such as this is, I think, the superior style--allowing us, indeed, to distinguish such a name from (enquoted) nicknames introduced by parties other than the composer.DCGeist 19:26, 24 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Excellent idea. I'll be at the Performing Arts library on Tuesday, so I can check out the Lichtenwanger. --DCGeist 19:46, 24 September 2005 (UTC)


 * The Bacharach info is mentioned in Grove, actually. I confirmed it via Bacharach's "Official Press Bio," which is brilliantly (?) titled "A House Is Not A Homepage"!


 * So, NYPL has m-a-n-y microfilmed Cowell holographs, as you suspected. I'll go through all the symphonies, not only to address our cataclysmic "Madras" style question, but also so I can informedly add Cowell's work to all the appropriate places in Wikipedia's "Symphony" entry, where he does not currently appear! —DCGeist 20:40, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Spaces around section headings
If you're writing a new section, I won't try to tell you how to format the markup, but if you're editing an existing article, there's no reason to modify the markup for existing sections. For example at Native American name controversy you removed all of the spaces around section heading names. This just adds extra work for people like me that verify all of the edits to articles that we police, and while I don't think it makes any differenece at all, you are chaning markup that is already in keeping with the guidelines on how to edit a page.... -Harmil 04:50, 25 September 2005 (UTC)


 * If I mis-read who made the edit, please pardon the intrusion. -Harmil 05:21, 25 September 2005 (UTC)


 * As for "why the spaces are there"... it's a matter of preference. Some editors will find the page source more readable with the extra spaces, some won't. I'm just requesting (as you surmised) that you leave existing pages the way they are, not asking you to change the way you write new sections. Sounds like you've already agreed to that, so thanks for your time, and happy editing! -Harmil 05:35, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Cowell
Yes, I came across that Bartok bit, too, not long ago. I'll track it down. Still figuring out what might be the most interesting little angle on the Pan American Association.


 * OK to cut the inline reference in the penultimate graf of the article? Everything in the preceding sentence is a generally available fact; we've got details on the book in the References section; and there's not much relevant at the referenced URL.


 * Mmmm. Looks like you're right. I assumed the program was reasonably well known (well, relatively reasonably well known--it's Cowell, after all), as it's mentioned in the liner notes of the new Naxos collection of his work, but I went on to Amazon and did a look-in-the-book search and it's not to be found.


 * Thank you. Though that was a poignant message for me--I know of all three works, but I've never had the chance to hear any of them. By the way, I've toned up the "Tides of Manaunaun" entry. I don't know if it's particularly relevant to you, but you might want to take a look. —DCGeist 07:20, 28 September 2005 (UTC) (Oy!)


 * I've been using a merged trade-book-style-reference/bibliography format. Do you think I should stick with it, or change all the hardcopy-based references to endnotes? At this point it would add 12 endnotes, in addition to the one you created. —DCGeist 01:19, 1 October 2005 (UTC)—DCGeist 01:38, 1 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Addictive--yes. So how does once go about hearing those Afro-Cubanish pieces from the 1930s (other than a synesthetic experience of their scores)? —DCGeist 01:38, 1 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I really appreciate that a lot. And when I track down "Credo in US" and "Three Dances", I'll report back. —DCGeist 07:08, 3 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Perhaps my expansion of the "tone cluster" article today may remind you of the "earlier tone cluster guy" you had in mind. The question of which of Ornstein's pieces is the TRUE first tone-cluster one is agonizing: the Violin Sonata, by both encyclopedic attestation and my own ear clearly features clusters--but its dating is ambiguous and I've not yet been able to determine when it was first performed; Three Moods, which I've never heard (or looked at), I submit on the attestation of a responsible scholar; Wild Men's Dance--this is the killer. Any number of scholarly works associate it with Ornstein's use of tone clusters--in adjacent sentences, even in the same sentence, but I haven't found one that specifically affirms that it includes tone clusters. I have listened to two performances--Schleiermacher's interpretation includes what sound unmistakably like clusters, Hamelin's doesn't quite. Either Schleiermacher is absolutely hammering near-clusters or Hamelin is being "musical" and slightly pulling apart what were intended as true clusters. For the moment, I'm going with the second surmise. Off to the library... —DCGeist 15:38, 6 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Turns out all those scores and more are accessible online through the artist's site run by Ornstein's son. If only there was more of that going on —DCGeist 15:38, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

More Sheehan
Concerning your reversion of my edits:

Since you did not leave a comment of Sheehan's Talk Page it seemed most appropriate to respond here. As I requested in my explanation, please provide a reason that you feel the information re-introduced is important or noteworthy. You did neither. Simply stating that it removes the product of effort of various individuals is not justification for those entries, especially when such an explanation avoids even commenting on my reasoning. If the efforts of many people have undesirable results then those results should still be removed. Further still, your explanation is guilty of the Bandwagon Logical Fallacy. Please, explain why those entries that I removed are important. Such a topic may be extrapolated on in bulk even - you certainly do not have to respond per instance, as I did.

The changes I made were hardly without warning, as I posted a request for opinions on this subject in Sheehan's talk page nearly a full 24 hours prior. While, technically speaking, these changes were unilateral due to a lack of a two-way dialogue, they were so only because no one deemed the issue important enough to comment on. Numerous changes were made to the article, including the chronology, without eliciting comments on this subject, thus leading me to believe people did not have opinions on this matter. Indeed, even in removing my changes you have failed to comment on it. Thus, if one desire multilateral discussion then one must participate IN that discussion.

Once again, please give justification for replacing those events I removed. The information violates wikipedia policy, as I indicated, and as such it should not remain without reason. I am responding here in the hopes of preventing an edit war; however please know that unless justification can be given I will remove the information again. If you do not feel that this issue can be addressed in a timely manner, then please, at the least, indicate so. I await your response. Thought 18:41, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you greatly for your reply. However I find particular instances of your reasoning to be somewhat puzzling. By reverting my changes, whole sale, you erased changes that do not add context to Sheehan's actions. Some examples are: The removal of the word "allegedly" from the Activism section, the removal of Viggo Mortensen, Camp Casey Chico, Bush's record for vacation days, Baez's performance, Casey Sheehan's boots, and indeed everything from the Bus Tour section. The Bus Tour is clearly actionary, not reactionary. As for the rest, how did Sheehan react? Providing the causes for a reaction without indicating the reaction itself is less than preferable. The same goes for those events that I did not specifically mention above but that may provide context. If these events provide necessary context then, logically, that which they provide context for aught to be included as well. Thus I might (and do) ask, what was Sheehan's reaction to Bush's August 20th campaign tour? On a final point, going over my changes again I am unable to find an instance where I "purg[ed] mention of Bush's reactions" to Sheehan. Or is the August 20th campaign tour what you are referencing (in which case one can hardly claim that Bush was reacting to Sheehan, but rather general anti-war sentiment of which, at best, Sheehan is a minor spokesperson for)? By my count, out of the 20ish changes I made, only three might provide context (though, as stated, to what I do not know). Those being August 12 motorcade, Bush's August 20th tour, and Sheehan's September 3rd tour. Thought 20:37, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Again, thank you for your reply. A dialogue is always a delight. I apologize for the extensive reply, but you raised issues that require precise responses.

To address a minor point that you brought up, Cindy Sheehan certainly holds less significance than those articles that I originally alluded to. Perhaps you disagree on that, but such seems to be a relatively safe assumption given the historical context. More disturbing still is that her article is longer and more exhaustive than Martin Luther King, Jr.’s. This indicates significance far greater than her actions have thus far merited. It is not really a question of Sheehan’s importance in the anti-war movement (she makes a rather good figurehead but as far as an orator she lacks the ability to persuade individuals through reason), but rather her importance in a larger context. Your concerns, while valid in an abstract sense, do not seem applicable to Wikipedia. It does not matter how many websites contain a comprehensive synopsis of Sheehan, Wikipedia, as an encyclopedia, should not. By nature, an encyclopedia aught not be exhaustive but rather introductory. Perhaps we might be disagreeing as to the extent of information an Encyclopedia aught to contain? If so, then that can be addressed separately.

Political figures supporting Sheehan are, admittedly, of some significance. However, looking over my edits again I note that other than those three instances I have previously mentioned, I did not remove any events concerning political figures. As for celebrities, I must continue to disagree as to their importance. Surely we are capable of determining importance based on merit rather than popularity. Considering that Sheehan’s protest is primarily politically directed, we cannot even suppose that celebrities are capable of providing legitimate political commentary; to do so is to be guilty of the Appeal to Authority Logical Fallacy. Perhaps if there had been a change in either Sheehan’s or Bush’s behavior after celebrity visits, then it might be supposed that they were significant events. Certainly in Viggo Mortensen’s case this is true; though Joan Baez is slightly more complex (at least she has been involved in politics prior, though her performance in this instance does not appear to have made an effect).

As for the boots, I must still maintain that they do not belong in a chronology (I also maintain that they are insignificant, but that is a different discussion). Their use in the AFSC’s display may be notable (though truly the display more so than the boots), but their return is not. Indeed, if these boots are so important to Sheehan’s character, why is the original donation not mentioned in the article? There, of course, needs to be a respect for consensus and I mistakenly took the lack of a prior discussion on the topic (at least, lacking in either of the discussion archives currently present) and seeming continued lack of concern as evidence that the general population did not care. I will most certainly take NightMonkey’s advice to heart and give much longer warnings in the future. However, that being established, an argument for preservation based on consensus is somewhat faulty. True, Wikipedia encourages consensus and it is something that aught to be aimed for and respected. However, it cannot stand as a sole justification on any given point (rather, it is an important secondary point). At its base, this is a logical fallacy, specifically the bandwagon approach. Like any logical fallacy, its status as such does not mean it is an invalid argument, rather that it is an incomplete argument. We might imagine a situation where a consensus has been reached but that it accepts a false statement as fact. Again, it is a valid point but one that aught not stand alone.

On an incredibly minor note, I would recommend that you look over my exchange with Homoneutralis again. Other than being simply astounded at the length of the article, I do not believe I took a tone that was joking in the least. Rather, if you perceived humor I would suggest that it was from Homoneutralis and not myself. I attempt to be as professional and academic as possible. Humor can, unfortunately, lead to misunderstandings (though in this case it seems to have happened regardless).

Perhaps, however, these are topics whose further discussion should wait until they are brought up on the page itself.

And once again, thank you for your time. Thought 04:31, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Sheehan con't
Badagnani,

Thanks for your tireless editing of my edits. Eventually, we'll have a nice article.

Konrad

Kgrr 17:02, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Sheehan again
Rather than reverting your reverts, I thought I'd post a note here. My edits did not remove any information or links from the article. I think it is a better article if we shorten it without removing information. I mean, why do we need to know exactly which day each of those folks was there? Why do we need to know which day those organizations announced that they were going to do something that we describe in a date entry two days later? Could you explain why is it important to know which day Katrina hit land in THIS article instead of only referring to it in the line on Bush's vacation? The article is far too long and I would think that removing repetitive information would improve it. --Habap 16:48, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Is the Cindy Sheehan text to be deemed beyond reproach? I find it frustrating that any reduction of repetitiveness in the timeline is reverted. The article is far too long and the timeline is exceedingly repetitive. Announcing when the boots are removed from the show and when they get to Sheehan seems excessive. Listing the 16 August announcement of the planned rallies and then listing the rallies themselves seems excessive. Listing the date Katrina hit and the date Bush ended his vacation to deal with Katrina is either repetitive or a comment on Bush (and thus, germane either to an article on Katrina or Bush, not Sheehan). Could you explain why these entries are critical? Or answer the questions in my prior post? I'd like some communication rather than just reverts without explanation. --Habap 13:52, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Bring Them Home Now Bus Tour
OK, so I created a separate article on the bus tour. I would like to go over the chronology and see which items should be retained in Sheehan's chronology now that the bus events are listed on another article. Note that the Bring Them Home Now Tour doesn't list Sheehan (or Bush) events that were not part of the bus tour, leaving several items for obvious retention in her chronology. --Habap 15:06, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * In the absence of a response, I have assumed you have no problems with this change. Please review the Sheehan page to make sure I haven't removed too much. --Habap 19:26, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Saxophone page
You reverted my corrections to the name of the Raschèr Saxophone Quartet - but the documentation you request is easily available at http://www.rsq-sax.com/ ! Why not do a quick google search before reverting? - SaxTeacher (talk)  01:21, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Raschèr did use the accent during his lifetime. When I was running his last U.S. saxophone workshop in 1992, he was quite particular that his name appear with the correct accent any time it appeared in any of the printed materials. I don't know why Grove's doesn't use the accent; I guess they didn't benefit from community editing like Wikipedia does. SaxTeacher (talk)  01:35, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Makah
I restored the director's name in the pop culture reference for Dead Man but still think it a minor issue. The film's article, a click away, includes the director's name and more, so I'm not sure why it was a big enough deal for you to bring it up. 66.167.139.10 02:11, 4 October 2005 (UTC).

Anti...something
Good catch! Antimony's a perfectly good element, but it isn't the name of a Cowell piece--I'll blame the misspelling that occurs throughout the New Albion album (and throughout Amazon.com, by the way).

Regarding Sheehan's Photograph
I noticed that you reverted 64.142.90.216's changes to Cindy Sheehan's article and since I undid that particular reversion I thought I would let you know why. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with this feature, but if you click on the picture, or the link below the picture, wikipedia will take you to an information page regarding that photo. In this particular case the page includes who took the picture, when it was taken, and how it was taken, in addition to links to the wikimedia page and to the photographer's website. This information has been available to viewers of Sheehan's page since the image was originally incorporated. Further, if even that is not to be trusted, following the link to the photographer's page will allow you access to his photos. As the Wikimedia page indicates, it was taken on Sept 13th and, verily, the photographer has that very same image of Sheehan posted on his page under the 13th of September. At the time that I write this, you may find the image at the following link. 

In the future, if you are unwilling to spend the time confirming added information (in this case, it took me less than five minutes to do so) then either do nothing or leave a note on the talk page requesting others look into it.

Thought 22:12, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

In response to your response: I freely admit I was blunt, but as for rude I would argue the point; indeed I believe the opposite. I undid a change you made and thus it is only right and proper that I give you a reason for doing so. Further, as to the content of my reply, I attempted to be as exhaustive in my reasoning as possible so that you would know that I did not override your change for no good reason. Since you left less than a sentence as to why you found the credit offensive, I had no idea where the chain of investigation broke down. Lacking such information it was most prudent to include the complete process of investigation so that you might fully duplicate it and confirm this information for yourself. Perhaps it was my closing paragraph that you found so objectionable? I believe I was polite up until this point, but here I became blunt. I, unfortunately, must be blunt again. You did revert a person's contribution (small as it may be) because it might have been invalid. Any addition might be invalid, which is why each aught to be confirmed. Such a reason is unacceptable, as I hope you may objectively see. Thus, I merely identified the offending situation and listed two proper reactions.

If anything I said was rude or improper, please let me know so that I may improve. Though it was far from my intent, allow me to apologize for any offense my post may have given. Yet I hope the thoroughness of my comments indicate my desire for an intellectual understanding of the point in question. Thought 06:56, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

London Sheng players name
Please go to User_talk:Arpingstone for a reply - Adrian Pingstone 14:30, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Please see another comment on my Talk Page - Adrian Pingstone 18:28, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Regina Spektor
Great job on the Regina Spektor article. Where did you get all the info?!


 * Thanks! If you sign your post, I can tell you! :)  Just kidding, I listened to her music, then listened to all the audio interviews from NPR and PRI (I added links to them in the article), and read some interviews.  Then I synthesized the info into the article.  So most of the info is from her own mouth.  The analysis about her voice and style I just came up with on my own, and other editors added some in there as well.  Badagnani 02:02, 13 October 2005 (UTC)


 * cool stuff.. I made a couple of little edits myself!


 * Ditto on the Regina article, and thanks for the attention on the Bull Moose EP article. Fubaz 22:10, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Yuzu
The Japanese citrus category is a member of the Japanese cuisine and Citrus categories, so according to WP:CG, the yuzu page should not be in the parent categories. If it's not clear, let me know and I'll try to explain better. --DannyWilde 13:27, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I sounded impatient on my talk page. I'd just recategorized Category:Japanese language and I am in the middle of recategorizing Category:Japanese cuisine. Before our discussion I'd had three separate people reverting the edits I'd made, and I was getting a little tired of explaining myself. If you look at the Japanese language category then you can have an idea of how I'm trying to organize the Japanese cuisine category. It does require some skill and judgement to do this, but I think most of the categorization is correct. In the case of yuzu I think you made some valid points as far as the citrus category and yuzu is concerned, although I'm not convinced about the Japanese cuisine category. Most of the other articles in the Japanese citrus category are very short ones. Anyway, the "yuga" is part of the citrus category now. If you still want to include "yuzu" in "citrus", I think it is OK. --DannyWilde 00:24, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Frank London
1)I've created a Biography on Frank London... care to expand it a bit? Ecoli November 28, 2005

2)Thanks for fixing up the page. I've studied with Frank London, but I'm surprized nobody has created a page before this - Nov. 28 11:00 pm

3) St James, eh? I live in Mt. Sinai... so that's really close.  Cool stuff.  Nice to meet you too, btw. - Nov. 28 11:07 pm

Fredric Kroll
Thans for translating the article into English. I've fixed some name-translations like "Breisgau - mashs gau": Breisgau is the name of a geographical area around Freiburg and is often added to the towns name to distinguish it from other cities named Freiburg as well, like Freiburg an der Elbe or Freiburg in Switzerland. "UA" is the abbreviation of "Uraufführung", which means "first night" or "first première at all"; here I don't know how the correct English expression, could you fix that? "Bde.", finally, is the abbrev. for "Bände" which means "Volumes". Thanks again and merry x-mas :o) --Robbit 12:32, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Sources for Joëlle Léandre
Hello, good work on Joëlle Léandre, and thanks for the contribution. However, you forgot to add any references to the article. Keeping Wikipedia accurate and verifiable is very important, and there is currently a push to encourage editors to cite the sources they used when adding content. From what websites, books, or other places did you learn the information that you added to Joëlle Léandre? Would it be possible for you to mention them in the article? You can simply add links, or there are several different citation methods list at WP:CITET. Thanks! Lupin|talk|popups 20:43, 4 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry if I jumped the gun, and thanks for the references! Lupin|talk|popups 22:17, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Request
Hello Badagnani. Thank you for the work you have been doing on Wikipedia. And I have one request. I would like to ask you to put edit summaries a bit more ofthen when you contribute. The reson for putting edit summaries is that they are rather helpful for other people having a given set on pages on the watchlist, as well as for people checking the recent changes. An analogy I can think of the the "Subject" line in an email for example. I hope that you will not find my request too intrusive. Thank you for your consideration. Cheers, Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 05:41, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Saigon Cinnamon
Hi Badagnani - Thanks for starting the page! I've found out the reason for the different spellings of the sci name; Nees originally spelled it as Cinnamomum loureirii, but being named after the botanist João de Loureiro (not "João de Loureiri"), this is to be treated under the ICBN as an orthographic error for the correctly derived spelling of loureiroi (for similar cases see e.g. Stuartia and Pinus sabineana). I've also moved the page to Saigon Cinnamon (with cap C) for consistency with other Lauraceae pages - MPF 10:48, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks!! Sadly I've had no joy in locating any info on what the species looks like or how to distinguish it from Cassia - that would take a visit to a botanical library (nearest good one to me, 160km away). I'd not be able to write anything useful about music, though! - talking of which, wondering if you might be able to help out here, these pages: acoustic guitar, guitar and recorder all claim to be made (at times) from cedar wood - do you know if this is genuine cedar wood (as found in Lebanon, etc), or one of the numerous fakes masquerading under that name? - thanks - MPF 23:42, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! I'll correct the links (prob'ly tomorrow now) - MPF 00:05, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

MATH ROCK
hey man, just thought id identify msyslef. i've been the one you've sorta been at odds at on the math-rock page, without signing in or signing them at all, but i commend all your additions. you appear to be the only other educated person upon the topic. i saw your comments on pattern is movement-- my old band used to play shows with them a lot, they werent terribly mathy to me, sounded more like sunny day real estate or something. but i see where you're coming from. do you yourself have a band, i assume it would be pretty good. we should discuss musics sometime. take care. - Whoacomplains

Bagpipe photo
Hey, thanks! I wasn't actually sure if people would like it (plus it's too washed out... but such are my photoediting skills).

Serbian word for bagpipes is "gajde" (plural) but I wouldn't write much about them under that name. Check out Talk:Bagpipes. Nikola 09:44, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I was actually in the same bus with him once, so I heard that he is from Titel and is a member of a folklore group. He does come to Belgrade to play, but also visits fairs and I guess travels with his group. Titel is actually in Vojvodina, in the planest of plains, so it's a bit opposite of Italy ;) Anyway, the practice is not widespread, and he is the only such player I've seen.

I'm from Belgrade. If you liked the choir you might check out White Linen, they play music from Kosovo, and do it quite well! Nikola 10:05, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Okara nomenclature
Maybe he/she just decided to let us revert it. I've been known to let others do that ;) --Sjschen 02:12, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I Okara is now change then one of use should do it it since there appears to be a consensus on the "badness" of the change. Sjschen 02:15, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Maybe just copy all the Soy pulp content to the Okara page then?-- Sjschen 02:20, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Gluten
I just eat and cook a lot ;) Sjschen 02:38, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I ain't no foo! foo! ;) --Sjschen 20:13, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

That sounds like kao fu alright. I can see what you mean by the "tripe" part, but I don't see the fluffy part. May be it's just the way I eat them does the dish you had look anything like this? Japanes "roasted fu" is very very fine, and when you put it into soup, it looks almost like wonder bread soaking in liquid. But since it is gluten, it does not breakdown and fall apart. Fun to eat, really especially if they are in bunny form ;)

As for the "very chewy" gluten...no idea... Sjschen 01:52, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Dry gluten powder huh? I learn something new everyday. Maybe you should mix up a batch and take a picture so that the page can be more colourful? --Sjschen 02:44, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm personally a huge fan of the "everything in the pot" vegetarian delight. Like its name says, you throw all your vegetarian things in the pot, including mushrooms, carrots, and bamboo shoots. Add losts of soy sauce and a tad sugar and stew for an hour. In anycase enjoy :) Sjschen 16:34, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Broth, you also need broth...Sjschen 16:35, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, the important part is whether or not you thought the dish tasted "good". Heck, people eat Century eggs and that's just plain strange. But it still tastes pretty good. If your dish was bad and generally noxious, then I'll gladly take the blame :)

I have heard of a kind of chinese gluten that are balls about the size of a grape fruit. These are still fried and hollow in the center. I think they should be considered a kind of "oily gluten". I think this is the kind you are talking about （大球面筋, like that right?）, is it? Sjschen 23:27, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I will throw something in about the different sizes of fried gluten, and their uses. Sjschen 23:35, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Jujube
Hi Badagnani - an anon editor has changed the Chinese names at Jujube (difference) - can you check it out please? - Thanks, MPF 00:44, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Depleted uranium
Regarding the debates on depleted uranium:

The revised page looks much more polished than the earlier version, but its hard to tell which is less POV or factually accurate. Also, the debate seems to be far too heated. Various parties are coming back with references and citations, and it seems they are being dismissed out-of-hand, without just cause. As an article on DU, this article seems long enough. However, this is a matter of considerable interest in the current political and social climate, and it thus would be quite approriate to split this into four or five articles, including health effects of DU, DU in munitions, UN legal status of DU, and so on, each which could treat the topic in extended detail. These are rather interesting topics, and shouldn't be dismissed over concerns about length or wikification. On the other hand, many people have very good noses for when the truth is being stretched, and when subtle lies and distortions are being introduced, and so further development requires that 'all editors take the utmost care when putting these articles together. Controversy doesn't help the editing process or the editors state of mind, discussions should stay civil. linas 01:56, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Sumomo
Hi Badagnani, I've reverted the change. What was it you wanted to change in the article? The katakana is スモモ and the hiragana is すもも, in case that helps. Fg2 07:14, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi again. Here are some answers, although I've already gotten your next message:

1) the katakana appeared twice after your change;
 * I've reverted that. Sorry for the confusion.

2) why is the Japanese Wikipedia title in katakana if this is a Japanese fruit?;
 * The Japanese article is on the species. Species names go in katakana, so that must be their rationale for writing it that way. My dictionary has the entry in hiragana, as is suitable for non-scientific contexts. So apparently either is acceptable, depending on the intent.

3) why does it have two kanji (one that looks like Chinese "li," and the other that is phonetic)? My Japanese-language skills aren't good
 * My dictionary gives 季, and marks it with an ×, indicating that it's not a Joyo kanji. The Japanese WP gives 酢桃, which I see you've just reinstated (an earlier edit said it's not really used; I have no expertise to judge that). The first kanji, 酢, means "vinegar" or "sour" and is pronounced su; the second, 桃, is momo and means "peach." It's not unusual to have multiple ways to write words in Japanese.

Best regards,

Fg2 07:31, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Let the fight begin
I just switched the name to No Gun Ri massacre ready for a fight? Travb 07:42, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * In fairness, I have to say this: Lexis Nexis has 109 hits with the phrase :"No Gun Ri incident" and 79 hits with the phrase "No Gun Ri massacre", in other words 109 news sources used "No Gun Ri incident".Travb 08:51, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Google pulls up web pages, whereas lexis nexus pulls up news articles, unless you are talking about google news, but I doubt any newspaper would be talking about this massacre 4 years later.


 * I figured in fairness I would mention the Lexis Nexus issue, better I admit it now upfront then have someone call me on it later. I had already posted all the references to "No Gun Ri massacre" on the talk page, before I checked "No Gun Ri incident". Maybe the jingoists have forgotten about this, and there will be no fight. We will see. Travb 09:08, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks very much for your Nixon in China opera DVD link. I have been looking ages to find a recording of that opera, and would never have thought to finally find one on Wikipedia. I ordered the DVD within minutes of discovering your neat link! AntonicKnight 17:26, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject World music
Hi, I've created progress charts for WikiProject World music. Please come by and help document what we have! Hopefully, a record clearly showing where our holes in coverage lie will help move all world music articles along in the right direction. Tuf-Kat 19:06, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Sumomo
Hi Badagnani - I was thinking of moving Sumomo to its scientific name, partly as that's more familiar to english-speakers, and partly to avoid any potential Sino-Japanese disputation over the page title - do you have any thoughts on the idea? - MPF 00:23, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks; it'll be tomorrow before I do it now. I'd agree Ume is a much better known name and wasn't planning on moving it (unless there is ever any general agreement to move all plants to sci names!). - MPF 00:34, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Peter Schickele
Sorry that you took out my "(some say) fictional" parenthitic qualifier on the good professor's USND. To my way of seeing things this takes the edge off something that is very clever and part of his personna. Let people work that one out for themselves, wouldn't you say? ericbritton

Last round of changes are just wonderful. Peter deserves attention to this level of detail. I have told him about Wikipedia, etc. and he asked "I guess that's nice buy what is this internet anyway?". ericbritton 13:38, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Fishbone

 * I see you know a lot about Fishbone...do you know what is the size of giant saxophone that Angelo Moore plays? I've been trying to figure that out for a long time.  I'm pretty sure it's a bass saxophone.

I'm not quite sure. I've never seen Fishbone live, I'm just really into their stuff. I think I may direct the question to someone I know who's a big Fishbone fan... he may know. Glad to see someone's interested in the Fishbone article ;) --Kevin McManus 02:23, 25 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I've seen them a couple of times, and he used to actually throw this saxophone across the stage to a roadie when he was finished playing it. I think it must be one of these:  http://www.basssax.com/photographs.htm

Judging by some pictures of Angelo I've seen on stage, that very well may be it. --Kevin McManus 02:30, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Ugly characters
Hi, I saw your pinyin comment on Sjschen's talk page, where you said you don't like the way the Chinese characters display.

I think everything should look just perfect if you Merry Christmas!—Wikipeditor 21:37, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) download and install a font from cjkunifonts.info (for Chinese characters; both Mingti and Kaiti have great readability even at small sizes and contain traditional as well as simplified characters),
 * 2) SIL's Gentium won't hurt either (for pinyin marks, IPA and whatnot),
 * 3) find out which fonts looked ugly before, delete them, and
 * 4) change your preferred font for Western, Unicode and Chinese pages to your liking in the Firefox options.

Re: Ho fun
 I'd say it's better to use any of the variants that is based on Cantonese. It's because this type noodles is clearly of Cantonese origin, it's natural to use a Cantonese-based name. The noodles were brought to English-speaking countries by early emigrants, predating the designation of Mandarin as the national official language. Its name entered English with its Cantonese pronunciations. As for romanisation, most Cantonese terms do not enter English with the official way(s) of romanisation, since none of the official romanisation methods for Cantonese is popularly used. Most Cantonese-based romanisations won't be the same as the counterparts based on Pinyin. &mdash; Instantnood 22:14, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Native Guns
It is my sincere believe that Native Guns are not notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia, nor do they meet the guidelines for inclusion set forth by WP:MUSIC. If you feel that I am in error, please explain why on the Articles for deletion/Native Guns page. Should it turn out that this group does in fact meet the criteria for inclusion I will humbly retract this listing. Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 13:01, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Filipino hip hop
I don't know why you've latched on to this particular article for deletion; judging by "Recent changes" there are certainly a plethora of musical groups (often made up of junior high or high school kids with no performance experience or releases) added all the time. The Filipino American contribution to hip hop music and culture is probably the third most significant (after African American and Puerto Rican American), and yet remains little known or acknowledged. I did not make the Native Guns website (another, more expert writer on Filipino hip hop did) but welcome it here, as an educational tool allowing readers to gain more knowledge about this musical subculture. I do assume good faith about your work here (what I have observed until now has been all good), and hope that you will do the same; my work on music articles is always done with complete sincerity and in the hopes that it will help others to learn more about these musics, which are so rarely covered in major media here in the U.S. Badagnani 13:07, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


 * We certainly should cover all walks of music on Wikipedia, that we agree on. While I do not dispute the contributions Filipinos and others have made to the hip hop community, that does not mean we should grant special exceptions to Filipino rap groups such as Native Guns, nor does it mean that we should be excessively linking to non-notable MySpace pages from the Filipino hip hop article.  Native Guns is a rap group from California, not the Philippines, so I see no reason why it should be treated any differently than any other Californian rap group with regards to WP:MUSIC.  Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a vehicle for promotion of up and coming music groups.  Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 13:14, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Tofu flower
Thanks for the note re: tofu flower. The caption was indeed incorrect - it was not soy sauce, but sweet syrup, and I've changed it to reflect that. Cheers. -- Fuzheado | Talk 19:37, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Umph's edits of Fishbone
I noticed that you reverted my revert of Umph's edits. I don't have anything personal against the guy, but his edits were basically putting the article into a state of dis-repair, something that we took it out of. His edits were essentially a revert of the article before I copy-edited it into its state before Umph's edits (my edits).

I also suggest you check out Umph's talk page and you'll see he has a history of making non-productive edits.

I hope you'll see my reasoning behind my rv of the article. Thanks again for the attention you've given to Fishbone's article. --Kevin McManus 01:21, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

The band infobox isn't a problem for me, in fact, I think that was there a few months ago and was removed. However, there were several changes that are against the Manual of Style such as excessive and non-context related linking and removing bulletted lists. Also, the personnel box is huge and highly redundant. This is why I had changed it into a list of personnel like every other band page has. As I said before, his edit was essentially revert to an older version in the first place. It nearly reverses the changes we had made over the past month.

If anything, it seems Umph is against the progression of this article. Another theory could be that he likes the old version better. However, a quick check to the Manual of Style will prove the old version needed a big facelift/copy-edit.

For the sake of saving time, I propose we revert to your edit (prior to Umph's edits) and add his acceptable changes (such as the band infobox) to that edit.

I'm going to try to get Umph's reasoning behind his changes before I do anything to the artcle.--Kevin McManus 01:52, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

If you aren't already aware, there is a discussion regarding this on Talk:Fishbone. If you have time, please cosider these arguments in favor of a revert as well. --Kevin McManus 19:13, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

bunker busters
I've read about DU in use being contaminated with waste isotopes, but the people who have access to the slugs that can be picked up of the ground haven't confirmed it. My guess is that if it happened, it was probably an exception rather than the rule. There is evidence that the U.S. has experimented with a wide range of DU weapons, including cluster bombs, 9mm ammunition, grenades, and mines. However, apparently only prototypes were ordered, not large quantities. Some of the bunker buster bombs are secret, so maybe they do and maybe they don't have DU. &mdash;James S. 10:43, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Melungeons
Please take care not to get yourself in trouble over 3RR. I am also going to replace the link whenever I see that the other user has removed it, and I'm trying to resolve the issue with it. He seems to be pursuing a crusade against a particular site, but I agree that the source seems sound. However, it was written by a "Wayne Winkler" not "Saundra Ivey". James James 21:57, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

First, reverts are reverts, no matter what the cause, unless they're to fix vandalism. Don't count on an admin thinking that the other guy's vandalising the article. The thing about the author was that the article seems to have been written by Wayne Winkler not Saundra Ivey, as the article stated. James James 04:49, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Punctuation style

 * Hi Badagnani - the quote style I edited to is actually the one recommended in the Manual of Style: the punctuation should be outside the quote mark, unless the punctuation is part of the quote - MPF 00:31, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about that last revert. You're right about the articles. I thought you were putting back the rest of it too. Silly of me, sorry. James James 00:54, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

I punctuate in the British (Commonwealth, you could say) style, but I do agree with you that the style should, as it does with most other things, be appropriate to the article. It's odd to read articles with American spelling and Commonwealth punctuation. I don't know why that decision was made. Perhaps you could propose changing it on the talkpage so that either can be used. It must be very difficult for American writers to use a different style from the one they habitually use. James James 00:59, 1 January 2006 (UTC)


 * This one's been discussed a lot in the MoS talk archives - it appears the so-called 'American' style is not such, but apparently an old 'printer's style' introduced (everywhere, including Britain, etc) because of printing problems with logical punctuation; when modern printing processes made logical punctuation possible, Britain etc returned to it, but the US (at least in part) didn't. I get the impression that quite a few US writers support using logical quotes, because it is, well, logical.


 * On the quotes round article titles, I think this is a Harvard peculiarity, I'd need to check, but I'm fairly sure The Chicago Manual of Style doesn't use them - MPF 01:48, 1 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Strange - the odd thing is, I can't ever recall having seen any journal actually use quotes, and that includes papers I've got reprints of from dozens of US scientific journals (for one example available online see this (pdf) from the American Journal of Botany: this matches exactly the style I use). I wonder if maybe it is a sciences vs. arts difference? The only US/UK difference I've ever noticed (and very ill-defined with plenty of exceptions both sides) is that US journals tend more to use colons (Journal XX: Y-Z), whereas somewhat more UK journals use commas (Journal, XX, Y-Z tho' plenty also use colons) - in this case I definitely prefer the US style. PS Happy New Year! - MPF 14:55, 1 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that does look like it might be the reason then. I'm not aware this has been discussed on the MoS talk before (tho' there's lots of archives I've not looked through) so it might be worth raising to make people more aware of the differences - MPF 18:31, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Lion
Hi. Sorry I missed your first message. Glad to hear - though, of course, it would be nice if we could find verifiable sources (NOR, and all that). But, IMO, it's probably better to get what info we can and then sort it out later. I'm away for another few days still. Guettarda 02:44, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * WP:NOR - no original research. Guettarda 03:00, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Corrections to Melungeon
Sorry about this. I just don't have the time to check through all of s9arthur's edits and see what other things he's messed up, so I'm concentrating on adding the link back in. It's demonstrative if you like, rather than actually aimed at fixing the article. I'm rather hoping he'll chill out a bit and start discussing what he wants changed rather than make a war of it, once he realises that he can't write the article unilaterally. I don't want to revert everything he does because he's adding useful content but working out what's useful and new and what's stuff that he's deleting is hard work! Consequently, every time you come to the article, you find the same old stuff missing.James James 05:15, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Melungeon
Yes, sorry. I meant inline citations and footnotes. Take a look at Bulbasaur or Nightwish if you require any examples. I wish you success on implementing improvements to the article and I look forward to support this article. Soothing R  12:30, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Clicking on 'go back' will just take you to the point where you clicked the inline ref, so I don't find it all that annoying. This way of referencing also leaves more space for a better explanation of the sources. And yes, you are right in your assumption that this is just another way of stating sources, however..these inline refs have become somewhat the standard on FA. Apart from that, I think they make articles look a whole lot less messy.[[Image:Weather rain.png]] Soothing R  13:04, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure you can. The more they merrier [[Image:wink.png]].[[Image:Weather rain.png]] Soothing R  13:11, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Jewish lists and categories
Hello, I have made a compromise proposal at Wikipedia_talk:Centralized_discussion/Lists_by_religion-ethnicity_and_profession. Regards Arniep 23:06, 4 January 2006 (UTC)


 * May I say that I hate the "Jewish" category label ("Author" "Canadian thinker", whatever) in all its variants and colors, other than perhaps in history, religion or ethnology. I find it outrageous that someone would identify, for examle, Jane Jabobs as a Jewish whatever. Her ethnicity is her own business and has nothing to do with anything. I mean profoudnly zero.  (If you don't believe it, ask her.) I would love to think we could xx them forever.  But if it's Jewish somethings you are looking for, check out the wonderful Michael Wex. Maybe you or others you know can help round this out.

Your question about pronunciation of seolleongtang
Hello, I am not a Korean expert and I do not know the exact reason for the hanja being not "neong" in hangul, but for many other similar cases, I found that there is a rule that says if a word with ㄹ (r/l) or ㄴ (n) is pronounced one way, then the written form will follow that way. In other words, somehow the word got to be pronounced one way, and then the hangul spelling followed the pronunciation.

Examples:
 * 大怒 대로 daero (the second hanja is usually no)
 * 許諾 허락 heorak (the second hanja is usually nak)

However, usually the l-n combination doesn't change the hangul even though it's pronounced ll, so I don't really know why it's changed in seolleongtang.

I had a similar question in my mind when I created the Hoeryong article myself (the second Hanja is usually pronounced as nyeong, the same hanja as in for example annyeong haseyo)! -- KittySaturn 17:15, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Northumbrian smallpipes
Hi Badagnani - sorry, I can't help on this one, I'm about as musically proficient as the average cat, and don't know anything about the subject! PS - pronunciation of Açaí - that heavily aspirated "ahsighee" can't be right, the alternative spelling 'Assai' is surely much closer to the Portuguese pronunciation? The h-s combination sounds particularly difficult to make (unless one has a bad attack of bronchitis!) - MPF 21:38, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * ""ah" isn't aspirated" - err, sorry, not so! (at least, not outside of the US). The purpose of including an 'h' in a pronunciation guide is to indicate aspiration; thus "ah" indicates a pronunciation like the comic-book fake WWII German accented 'Ah so!'. Actually, checking the Manual of Style (pronunciation), it advises against transcriptions altogether, because they are followed so differently by different people - MPF 21:56, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * There's a difference between words and pronunciation guides! The word 'ought' is pronounced "ort", but if one used "ought" in a pronunciation guide, it would be to indicate a pronunciation with each letter in turn, "o-u-g-h-t", sort of like "oe-ugg-hit"! - MPF 22:40, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Guess that just emphasizes the difficulties of using pronunciation guides! Mind if I remove it from Açaí palm? I was also wanting to revert the previous edit (a spam advert for a drink made from Açaí) - MPF 23:07, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

China
My trip to China was related to my job as a software engineer. Although I have the impression that China is currently very active musically (is that correct?), my musical experiences were quite limited. I attended a disappointing concert at the Shanghai Grand Theatre. Although advertised as traditional music, it was the worst kind of fusion, with inappropriate electric bass, guitar and keyboards, and overloud drums. Apart from that, I saw a couple of bar bands, mostly Filipino. I think Beijing is much more of a center for cultural activities of all types (art, film, music). In Shanghai, it's probably easier to see Western or Filipino musicians playing for foreigners than to see local jazz or rock bands.

I did bring back some interesting CDs of "traditional" music. Actually, I'm guessing that any music featuring large ensembles is not very traditional, since I suspect it's influenced by Western ideas about orchestration.

Anyone who's played with Wadada Smith has reached the big leagues in my opinion! I've been listening to his "Yo Miles!" project lately. Ferdinand Pienaar 06:40, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

herbal fungal medicinals
hiya- there's a bot going through all of those articles right now, changing the cat, so you don't have to actually do the work if you don't want to. --Heah talk 19:39, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Double bass
On my "talk" page, you said:
 * It's called a double bass because it's twice as big (and twice as low) as the bass instrument of the string family, which is the cello. That's reflected in the text I wrote (which is the way the article reads now); how better can it be put, and what is your suggestion?

I don't think my quibble was with anything that you wrote; in any case, what bugged me was that the article said
 * The instrument's standard English name, "double bass," is a literal translation of the Italian contrabasso (contrabass).

This was clearly wrong (the literal translation of contrabasso is not "double bass", but something else, right?). Anyhow, it's better now, though it's still not clear how one gets "double bass" from contrabasso (though it is fairly clear that "double bass" has to do with the doubling of the lowness of the instrument's pitch, relative to the 'cello). I guess I'm not enough of an expert on the subject to do much more at this point. --ILike2BeAnonymous 02:07, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, just saw your name few days before – our names sound so similar: hahhahaha. Cheers! --Bhadani 11:24, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, actually I saw you when I was a bit curious and seeing the list of users with high edit counts, and I found your name there. Bhadani is my surname, I mean the last name; and surnames ending with “ni” are mostly  of Gujaratis and Sindhis. As regards, surname Bhadani,  you may see little details (partial) in Bhadani. Although I am located in Chennai since 1999, I have very little knowledge of Tamil. My mother tongue is Hindi, and I belong to Ranchi. As regards your name, I may add few words after you have “de-mystified” the same: Bada is certainly Big or great – and, Gnani if spelt as “Gyani” (with few more variations of spellings, in different parts of India) means in Sanskrit, Hindi and several other languages a learned man. So my big hello to Badagnani – the wise man! And, please come to South India, you are most welcome. Sikh religious Gurus are also called by the generic name Gyani. --Bhadani 12:05, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Dictyophora indusiata
Hi Badagnani - thanks; I'll have a look into it tomorrow, tho' I'm not too hot on fungi so not sure how much I'll be able to do. I've formatted the box for now (a missing carriage return at the end of the first line) - MPF 01:57, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Peony cross-links
Hi Badagnani - thanks for the explanation; I guess in this case it might be worth elaborating further and incorporating the links into the text rather than just a 'See also' which doesn't offer any clue why one is given the link. I'd removed them because I thought it a fairly pointless link which can easily be done via the genus page, but there's clearly more to it. On P. lactiflora, that is also very widely used as an ornamental plant as well as medicinal, it is not only P. × suffruticosa that is used that way. If/when a P. × suffruticosa page is started (probably should be, and I'll give it a go sometime soon), should the Chinese national flower details be transferred to it, or is it specifically the wild species that was chosen? - MPF 11:15, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I've incorporated the links into the text with some explanation; could you check I've got it right, please! - MPF 11:32, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I guess if Chinese authors don't distinguish between them, it would be better to cover P. × suffruticosa under P. rockii rather than give it a separate page. - MPF 23:38, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

More special characters
Make sure you CTRL+F5 at MediaWiki:Monobook.js. It does say "More characters", not "Wiki". &mdash; 0918 BRIAN &bull; 2006-01-16 19:54
 * It must have been something on your computer. I don't think it's a bug on the site. &mdash; 0918 BRIAN &bull; 2006-01-16 20:19

Konono Nº1
Greetings, I don't think I had finished my comments at Talk:Konono Nº1 before you reverted my edit to Konono Nº1, so I assume you didn't read them. If you prefer I can include the CD itself as a reference; it gives a recording date of 1978. The band that appears on the album actually has a much longer name: "Orchestre Tout Puissant Likembe Konono No. 1," which (from what I can determine; I'm not a Francophone) translates as "Powerful Likembe Konono No 1 Orchestra." -- Gyrofrog (talk) 04:52, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I should have mentioned it some way in the article to begin with, I haven't of a way to word it. Shouldn't be too difficult, but it's late here. If I don't hit it again tonight, at least I left some notes on the talk page and I'll re-visit again tomorrow. Next time I'll save the talk page first. ;-) -- Gyrofrog (talk) 05:12, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Saxaphones and genres
It's a human-assisted bot... I thought about that one for a couple of minutes and, seeing that the link was piped as, figured that Rock (music) was the intended target and that it had probably been done by somebody unaware that Rock (music) was a separate article. Thank you for changing it to  to make the intention clear. &mdash;  F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( [ TALK ] )  06:33, Jan. 19, 2006

Wang
" Badagnani (Good idea to add Pinyin; re-add various pre-existing other romanizations as they are useful in Google searches (no single spelling draws all sites about her)) "

But it's redundant! Other Wikipedians don't do that!

Redirects help a lot. They actually bring in people. WhisperToMe 05:18, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Filipino Hip Hop 2
You mentioned once about the existence of Filipino MCs on the eastcoast in the 1980s? Any link that you could provide me with as I would like to include that in the article.Wikipedian13 23:50, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I thought Joe Bataan was the guy you were referring to, I was just following up to confirm that you weren't talking about another one, thanks! Wikipedian13 04:07, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Rambutan
Hi Badagnani - know anything about these? The page needs some heavy editing (or perhaps deleting?) because of a copyvio original start. See my comments at Talk:Rambutan and act as you see fit. Thanks! - MPF 16:00, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Adding References
Thx for the edits! By the way, I'm trying to add more of my references but when I do it says that the spam blocker won't let me save my it because it connects to an outside link. But I need to list all my approprite references. Any ideas on how to fix this? thx. Wikipedian13 21:10, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

References 2
Yeah I think I'll add the info suggested, great suggestions. I just wanted to add this reference for the mobile DJ movement under the Filipino-American hip hop section, http://sfbg.com/noise/01-01/fili.html but whenever I do it says that the previously posted link for the Philippine Hip Hop Music Awards is setting off the wikipedia spam blocker because it links to the site titikpilipino.com Wikipedian13 22:35, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I guess it's because I was trying to list it under the references section of the page. But your edit will do just fine, thx Wikipedian13 22:50, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Alan Canfor - thanks
Hi Badagnani, Thanks with your quick help with Alan Canfor. Yes, "Canfield" is indeed an inexplicable typo. If you're interested in doing more work on this article, I'm a bit concerned about the copyright on the photo. It's used a lot of the web but I didn't find the copyright info. I like to have the clearance on that so it can continue to be included in the article. Thanks again for your quick contribution. Crunch 21:07, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Wang Chang Yuan
I am going to refer this article to the talk page of the Manual of Style (China-related articles). I'll see what they think about it. WhisperToMe 00:41, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

"only the correct version should be mentioned. the others are wrong - they belong as redirects, but should not be presented as alternate versions of a name. Hanyu Pinyin should not contain dashes, and the given names should not be separated by a space. --Jiang 08:45, 29 January 2006 (UTC)"

I told you... WhisperToMe 16:29, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

"== Wang Chang Yuan == + This is not a contest to see who can be more precise in their Chinese romanization. We've got the pinyin there, and the alternate spellings are there to assist Wikipedia users in pursuing more information about this individual. When it comes to Chinese names, or any other names commonly spelled in other alphabets, there are many romanizations, some of them "wrong" ones, often the preferred romanizations of the individuals themselves. Wikipedia is a starting point for people finding more information about subjects. All the romanizations I listed are ones for which there are Google hits (websites). Removing them means that those doing research will not have access to those websites unless they're very clever and try many permutations of spelling, which most people will not do. Badagnani 17:10, 29 January 2006 (UTC) "

Continue your correspondence in the Wikipedia manual of style page, please. WhisperToMe 17:15, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Audio Section Inquiry
I was thinking of turning the audio section of the Filipino hip hop page into a sample orientated format rather than a linked one. Would you know of any way to do that? I can get songs if needed. thx. Wikipedian13 12:06, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

belated response
''I didn't know you could make the changes automatically! How is that done? Sometimes I need to switch redirects and have to do dozens by hand.''
 * for some reason i just saw this on my talk page a few minutes ago . . . dunno how i missed it . . .    For cat renaming, there's a bot (NekoDaemon) that automatically makes the changes, provided you put the proper template on the old cat page, and you are an admin.  as i'm not an admin it didn't work . . .  but some other unapproved bot started to do it instead, so all the cats were changed.  i assume there's redirect bots too . . .  but like you, i've often spent hours and hours fixing redirects and cats and whatnot.  To run a bot you have to get approval, and of course you have to write the program . . .   but some people will run bots for you, i think.  that time was the only time i've ever needed something done and a bot did it.  User:AllyUnion runs a bunch of bots, and i'm sure there's others around too.  thanks for helping out!!  and sorry for the belated response, i really don't know how i missed that.  happy editing!  --Heah talk 21:03, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

questions out of the blue
First of all, buon giorno e vergognoso Badagnana that among all those languages you are showling the language of Dante, of your origins is not there. Now back to business.

Is there anyway one can know about the number of hits any given entry is getting? And if not, would that not be useful? Ericbritton

The gaitas
Hi there! No problem about the text concerning the gaitas. If possible, keep an eye to see if it´s going well. Tonyjeff 18:28, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Links
Ok, I just thought that maybe I should cut down on some of the links. How many do you feel we should bring back? Wikipedian13 22:04, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

3RR
I think you broke 3RR on Depleted uranium with five reverts in less than 24 hours. I recommend a self-revert before someone reports you (I won't.) Since someone has presently un-reverted, then you should just put as much stuff back in the Health concerns section as you like for the time being, to show good faith in case you get reported. --James S. 23:27, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

New Audio Format
I see what you mean, but I just thought that because of the fact that alot of the rap artists (in the Philippines mainly) do not have myspace.com pages readily available (those are majority Filipino-American rap artists), whereas with the current format all the samples (both Filipino and Fil-Am) are available on one page rather than clicking to different sites all over the net. Most Philippine artists tracks are not as openly available as their Fil-Am counterparts as I had to extensively comb the net for those records. But point taken, should we open up a designated section for the myspace.com links? Perhaps re-listing all the myspace.com links under the link section of the page? thx for your input! Wikipedian13 23:35, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

3RR and Cindy Sheehan
Please be mindful of WP:3RR on Cindy Sheehan. I'm not going to report you or anything because I'm on the other side of the content dispute, but I can't make promises for other editors. -- Cyde Weys 06:47, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't tell others to be mindful of 3RR so please don't do it to me. 3RR deals primarily with vandals and troublemakers, but when one is restoring wrongfully deleted text from an article, it's usually the deleter that is cited for 3RR. Badagnani 06:53, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

WP:3RR is official Wikipedia policy, so even if you don't want to hear it, I kind of have a responsibility to tell you about it. And you don't seem to understand what WP:3RR is about. Please re-read the page very carefully. It's for all circumstances except for patent vandalism. What is going on at Cindy Sheehan is clearly not patent vandalism, it is a content dispute, and you will easily be blocked for violating 3RR in a content dispute. And I find it rather insulting that you insinuate I am a vandal or a troublemaker, because in this dispute I am the one on the other side whose edits you contend aren't even eligible for 3RR protection. -- Cyde Weys 06:57, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Also you need to brush up on what vandalism actually is. It's not defined as anything you don't personally agree with. -- Cyde Weys 07:05, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The vast majority of changes to the article are, in fact, vandalism. Separating the real edits from the work of vandals is often quite challenging. That said, I do think that Badagnani exercises reversion too often on the article (see Archive 4 and Archive 5 for several extensive discussions about reducing the size of the chronology). I am just annoyed that he is currently on a 24-hour block due to the depleted uranium article, as shown below, since I had really hoped to achieve consensus before replacing the demonstration chronology with the paragraphs form I've created. Well, I guess I'll put it in and discuss it with him next week. --Habap 18:37, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

could you
maybe not revert in the middle of an edit in the middle of the night when no one is reading the damn thing anyway? it's impossible to get anything done. if you don't like the finished product, you can always hit revert in the morning. not that it matters at the moment, because i'm pissed and going to bed. i remind you of WP:OWN. Derex 07:40, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * P.S. you can't restructure an article in _small_ edits. the article sucks (read talk), and it needs big edits at the moment. Derex 07:41, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

3RR block on Depleted uranium
You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.  howch e  ng   {chat} 17:49, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Cindy Sheehan
If you want to comment here on the new Cindy Sheehan proposal, I will be glad to place your comments there for the next 24 hours. I didn't want you blocked, because I am glad to see your opinion, but you got reported for something else. Well, anyways, my offer stands to keep you (at least partially) involved. Thanks. -- LV (Dark Mark)  18:30, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * That would really help! Good idea, LV! --Habap 18:38, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the opportunity to give input. Having worked very hard for months to make the chronology complete and thorough (something which exists nowhere else on the Internet) I have to say that the new version is only a shadow of the chronology.  I don't support this change, as more information (especially exacting and accurate information) is better than less.  It is a resource that was built up for the future as the events occurred, and took a tremendous amount of work (with constant reversion of vandalism).  The trimming should occur in the commentary section, as it has been doing over the past few days, not the chronology, which is well documented and thorough.  There's no need to impoverish the article, as those who feel Sheehan is not a figure of great importance are trying to do.  Badagnani 20:01, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, the article is too long and the chronology which it would replace exists, in exact detail, in the Camp Casey, Crawford, Texas article, which is far less prone to vandalism than this. The reason that the paragraphs are only a shadow of the chronology on the Camp Casey period is that we have a main article for that period - just as we recently did (though not in paragraph form) for the Bring Them Home Now Tour. --Habap 20:05, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, this makes sense; I don't think that had been explained before. Keep in mind that Camp Casey, though the most well known of Sheehan's activities described in the chronology, is not the only event (or series of events) described in the chronology.  And the chronology did make up the bulk of the "story," or drama, as it unfolded, in a way that the text of the article did not (and still does not fully, in the alternate version I read).  By the way, who says the article is too long?  The text, especially the tit-for-tat criticisms/countercriticisms, maybe; but about the chronology, I don't agree.  It's either covered fully/completely or it isn't.  Badagnani 21:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Who says it is too long? When you put it in edit mode, you see the following at the top "This page is 86 kilobytes long. This may be longer than is preferable; see article size." According to that article, 32kb is considered the recommended maximum article size. 86kb is more than double that.
 * I knew a history professor back when I was an undergrad who did write a few encyclopedia articles. While it wasn't nearly as bad as writing a People (magazine) article, he cringed at having to limit his discussion of the subject matter to a very short article. Such is the lot of a Wikipedian. --Habap 21:32, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

WCY
"(cur) (last) 05:01, 6 February 2006 Badagnani (Restore/move alternate spellings that are found on various English-language websites; no single spelling is "correct")"

No, argue it on the Manual of Style for China-related articles page. The Manual of Style DICTATES the Wang article. You MUST follow this manual of style there.

Anyways, what spelling does Wang Chang Yuan herself use? WhisperToMe 23:23, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Cindy Sheehan
Why did you revert me regarding "Peace Mom" in lead para? I feel your ES was insulting. My prose was and is no more tortured than the logic of insisting that I am trying to say the same thing you are, albeit, more poorly. It simply is not true that "the media" refer to her as the Peace Mom on any kind of regular basis. Only some call her that and only occassionally. And she certainly is not The Peace Mom, which is what you infer. I have reviewed your edits at Cindy Sheehan and have concluded that one could reasonably come away with the idea that you are a watch dog editor there and are not playing nice. Merecat 07:28, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Guzheng spamming
Thanks for adding some content to the article! It looks like user 203.218.... (IP addresses originate in HK) is quite persistant in their spamming. LDHan 20:23, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi! Do I reply here? Anyway whatever, I'm interested in Trad music, esp Chinese, and bowed string music. [Trad Chinese music forum] LDHan 21:50, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey no problem... anon spammer's back again! LDHan 22:11, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The problem I have with the those group of sites is that they are commercial sites pretending to be info sites (also very POV), in the same way the spammer's trying promote the sites in the article. LDHan 23:37, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Josh White
Since you are more familiar than I am with the ins and outs of wikipedia, would you edit the Josh White article in a way that exemplifies the NPOV? I would like to know the source for a claim that Josh White "fraternized with left-wing radicals." Otherwise, I believe the edit should be deleted. I will "watch" to see what changes you make. Thanks. JJ 22:32, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Commas in dates
If you leave the comma out, as in June 5 1985, then the Wikipedia software knows to treat this as a complete date and not as just a day next to a year. What do you see here?


 * June 5 1985

If your settings are set to American, you'll see June 5, 1985 with a comma. If your settings are set to European, you'll see 5 June 1985. This is because the wikicode doesn't have a comma. On the other hand, if I had put a comma in, the Wikipedia software wouldn't see it as a date, so it wouldn't change it based on your settings. According to the MoS, it's best to leave the comma out, and let the software show you dates in your own preferred format. I hope this clears things up. All the best, – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 00:57, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually User:Freakofnurture just informed me that the Wikipedia software interprets dates the same way whether there are commas or not. So either way is just as good. Sorry to bother you. – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 02:42, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Request for edit summary
Hi. I am a bot, and I am writing to you with a request. I would like to ask you, if possible, to use edit summaries a bit more often when you contribute. The reason an edit summary is important is because it allows your fellow contributors to understand what you changed; you can think of it as the "Subject:" line in an email. For your information, your current edit summary usage is 16% for major edits and 21% for minor edits. (Based on the last 150 major and 150 minor edits outside the Wikipedia, User, Image, and all Talk namespaces.)

This is just a suggestion, and I hope that I did not appear inpolite. You do not need to reply to this message, but if you would like to give me feedback, you can do so at the feedback page. Thank you, and happy edits, Mathbot 03:32, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Asian American jazz
Couldn't help but notice you just added a self-link as a see also to Asian American jazz. I'm informing you rather than just deleting it because I assume you meant to put something else there instead? Tuf-Kat 06:17, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

yeah ok...
that makes sense. Thanks.Gator (talk) 18:15, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Agaricaceae
Hello. No, your addition of Lentinus/Lentinula to Agaricaceae is not accurate at all. According to Index Fungorum, Lentinus belongs to Polyporaceae and Lentinula (including the shii-také mushroom) belongs to Marasmiaceae. Unfortunately there are many different classifications of fungi into families; I think Index Fungorum gives the best most up-to-date one. But Lentinus & Lentinula are each definitely very different from the Agaricaceae and they are also different from each other. I will revert your change. Strobilomyces 11:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment. Well, I think that perhaps in the distant past all gilled mushrooms were called Agaricaceae. I see that Marasmiaceae does not exist yet; I will create it sometime if no-one else does. I added the authority and changed the family of Shiitake. Strobilomyces 11:54, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Now I have looked more carefully in Index Fungorum, and I understand it better. The first official description of edodes was made by Miles Joseph Berkeley in 1878, but he called it Agaricus edodes, which would put it in the Agaricaceae. There are 9 other old synonyms, including Lentinus edodes by Rolf Singer in 1941, which would put it in Polyporaceae (which is very different!) In 1976 David Norman Pegler gave it its modern name, Lentinula edodes, and it is in Marasmiaceae. Strobilomyces 13:21, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Spelling of Chinese Names
Badagnani: I concede to your moves. Nevertheless, see the Discussion Page of He Qiuxia. User:Roland Longbow

Xaphoon
I disagree that the Xaphoon sounds like a clarinet in anything but the bottom of its range. I'm not inclined to fight over something this small, particularly since this is, in part, a matter of opinion. I don't think you're doing the reader a favor with the edits you've made, though.

Waitak 07:11, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Adminhood
Hey, I see from the list of admins that you're not one. You should be though, in my view. I've never nominated anyone before, but I'd be glad to put you up for it. If you're interested, let me know. You probably don't remember me but we've interacted a couple of times (once I had a different ID). I'm actually away for a week, so drop me a line and if you're up for it, I'll nominate you when I come back. The week will give you a chance to use edit summaries ;-) If you're not keen or not ready, no worries, but I think you're the kind of user who deserves the tools. Grace Note 07:33, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I worked with you on tofu and we had a discussion about folk music, if I remember rightly. Also, I noted your work on Melungeons, where you were very patient with a woman who had something of an agenda. Anyway, as I say, I'm away for a week, so no need to decide straight away. Just drop me a line during the week and if you want it, we'll do it. If not, no problem, the invitation's there if you ever change your mind. Grace Note 07:46, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Just up to the Sunshine Coast, Queensland for a family holiday. Grace Note 07:52, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Kumquats
Hi, from my understanding Vietnamese-speakers use the term "cẩm quất" as simply a corruption of the Cantonese name for the fruit. But actually, the characters are rendered as "kim quất" if transliterated from the characters "金橘" into Sino-Vietnamese pronunciation. The thing is, most Vietnames-speakers are either not actually aware of this etymology, or find the "proper" pronunciation stilted, preferring simply to call it by the Cantonese way. The "quẩ" is simply the Vietnamese rendering of "果". By the way, do you know the meaning of your surname in Italian? The "-gn" part is uniquely Italian or French, but the "-ni" at the end looks Arabic. User:Le Anh-Huy

Greetings
Hello. Do you remember our last interaction about the meaning of your name? I am sure you do remember – me too. Let us talk a bit more about anything … of the world and beyond. Life is really short and I have miles to go… --Bhadani 10:21, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

George(s) Ohsawa
Thanks for inserting the French spelling. I was meaning to do that. BTW, Shame there is no article on him in the Japanese Wikipedia. I am thinking about making a stub for it. Dforest 06:00, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Filipino Hip Hop Page
Hello. I was just curious to know if maybe its just me or can you see the page on Filipino Hip Hop (Pinoy Rap). I try to pull it up but the article seems to have gone missing. Please help. Thanks much.Wikipedian13 20:11, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Hornpipe links to dance; what instrument is meant here?
There is such an instument, it's called the Highland Hornpipe, it is based on an ancient Celtic instrument. Circular breathing is impossible on a bagpipe becuase the pressure is too great, which in turn is a direct result of the instrument's built in "circular breathing." Myrtone (the strict Australian wikipedian)(talk)

Skiffle bands
Not at all. You're quite capable of editing the article on Skiffle music, or even writing articles on specific Skiffle bands. The AfD simply said "a list of links to bands' external websites is inappropriate", not that there's anything wrong with the genre of music, the bands themselves, or your efforts here on Wikipedia. Deletion/other modification should never be taken as an insult, or a comment on one's worth as an editor. HTH, fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 02:23, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Cindy Sheehan anti-semitism
Yes...anti-Semitic.....sorry if you don't understand...but Wikipedia is about facts not opinions.... Javier (AKA LosAngelesMexican) parenthesis added by Asbl 23:16, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Why do you believe Sheehan is Anti Semitic? What do you base your assertion on? If you have legitimate references, we'll add them to the Cindy Sheehan article. Until you can come up with the goods, we will have to leave out all accusations of Sheehan being anti-semitic. --Asbl 23:20, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

More on dizi
I'm not sure if it should be "dimo" or "di mo". Is it regarded as one word or two words in Chinese? As it means lit. flute membrane, it could follow English by using two words, but a Chinese word of more than one syllable should be written as one word in pinyin. There isn't an "ar" in pinyin, I guess it should be "er", there's only a few "er"s, is it the one that means ear? LDHan 02:41, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Word division is a tough question in Chinese. Linguistically, at least in Putonghua, you could probably argue that "dimo" is one word. There's far from universal agreement on what constitutes a "word" in Chinese, though. It's just not structured such that "word" is a natural unit. Waitak 08:46, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Chinese name
I removed the Chinese name from Thaksin article because (1) there is no need to added the Chinese name since the name never appear in media except those Chinese media. (2) the person who added is unregistered user. (3)If you want to add back, I'm fine for that now; no need to do edit war. --Manop - TH 02:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

On the 12/3/2006 edition of Ruan
Thank you for your commendation of yesterday's edition of the ruan article, although I believe that it was merely a rearrangement of content and some addition of information. As for the removal of the term "bili", I have checked up on that and it was a piece of wrong information posted onto the article. You can check out this website for more information about the error - the bili does refer to the guanzi, not the ruan. The specific part about the bili referring to the guanzi is at the 5th row.

[NUSCO (National University of Singapore Chinese Orchestra) http://www.nusco.info/instrument2.htm]

--Wongjunsean 11:10, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Lots of common interests
So far, we've bumped into each other on the Xaphoon and Moringa oleifera articles. I'm waiting to see you on an obscure language article next... Waitak 08:43, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Tofu tones
Is he speaking in madarin or another dialect? Sjschen 00:56, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the tones change.... At all. I've been speaking "putong hua" my entire life and have yet to hear a person say "dòufu" instead of "dòufǔ". :) Sjschen 01:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm actually laughing right now cuz the "fu" pronouciation is just too funny... :) Sjschen 01:02, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm not a chinese linguist but I think it may also be colloquial?? In Singapore, I was always taught to "say it all the same". The Taiwanese and Mainland Chinese also always do dou4fu3. I've personally never head of tone changes depending on word order in Chinese, but then again, like I said, I'm not a linguist. Sjschen 01:08, 18 March 2006 (UTC)


 * If you're interested, we could start a discussion about the neutral tone on the Standard Mandarin talk page and see what others think. LDHan 12:45, 18 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Is the question here whether tone sandhi exists? I've heard that some tones are changed or neutralised depending on the tone that precedes them, I think. The WP article also has an example. I've read elsewhere that such tone changes must not be reflected in Pinyin, but that instead that those tones should be used that would occur if you were to pronounce the isolated syllable. I don't know whether this is of any help.—Wikipeditor 13:19, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Jeney.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Jeney.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then there needs to be an arguement why we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then it needs to be specified where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then one should be added. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the GFDL-self tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, consider reading fair use, and then use a tag such as or one of the other tags listed at Image copyright tags. See Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, consider checking that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Shyam ( T / C ) 13:14, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Melungeon
Please reply on the talk page. IP Address 09:17, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Grammmatical errors
Hi, thanks for pointing that out. I assume you mean the last comma in "Snooland is a town in Polk County, West Virginia, U.S., at the 2000 census the population was 33." I would see that as a parenthetical comma: what would be the correct way to punctuate it? What other grammatical errors am I making? Regards, Rich  Farmbrough 11:12 25  March 2006 (UTC).
 * P.S. I've fixed the missing "and". Rich  Farmbrough 13:10 25  March 2006 (UTC).

Caron/hacek vote
There's a vote on Talk:caron where the article should be if you're interested. +Hexagon1 (talk) 10:07, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello
Nice to see you around. Hello to Badagnani from Bhadani. --Bhadani 10:22, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi again, you may now archive your talk page - you are popular, and it has become so big. --Bhadani 10:23, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmong
If you are going to add a disambiquation page to Hmong, you really should also correct all the directs to that page so they are going to Hmong (people) or Hmong (language). Nothing should be linking to the disambiquation page, and there are a few hundred such links now that you created this. Thanks.

Ichang Lemon
Hi Badagnani - from my books, Citrus ichangensis is correct (except that it is probably of hybrid origin, not a true species; i.e., Citrus × ichangensis); C. grandis is a synonym of C. maxima (Pomelo) - MPF 17:21, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Chauvet Cave Painting
Hello, Badagnani! I saw that you returned an image that was removed from the Chauvet Cave article by Shizhao. Just to keep you updated, that image is currently up for deletion at Wiki Commons. I had been working on the article and noted there were problems with the copyright but I don't know that I took all the steps I should have to alert people to the RfD. I'm rather new at Wiki editing and I didn't want my omissions to cause bad feelings between other wikipedians. Ande B 07:15, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Clarence Thomas page
Hi. If you get a second, would you mind stopping by the Clarence Thomas Talk page? I'm in a dispute with a user over whether the fact that Thomas performed, at his home, Rush Limbaugh's third wedding should be mentioned in the article. I think it should. The other user does not. I'd appreciate your input. Thanks. Eleemosynary 02:47, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Chennai
Hey, I've given some info related to your query at Talk:Chennai. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 12:47, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

List of Korea-related topics
Well, there are two separate lists now, but fairly shortly I plan to replace the existing A-K and L-Z lists with pages that simply transclude the by-letter lists. This is based on a proposal I made quite some time ago, at Talk:List of Korea-related topics.

The LKRT has become so unwieldy that despite its high profile it gets very little use or attention from the community. The hope is that this situation will improve if it is changed into a longer-format list with capsule descriptions (and maybe a few pictures); at least then it will be more fun to browse.

Sorry for the temporary mess -- I didn't want to make the final switch until I've tidied things up a little. But now that you mention it, it's probably best to just make a clean sweep, so that hopefully others will notice and take an interest. Cheers! -- Visviva 11:19, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Gaoyang
Hi,

Right now I can only verify from online sources that Liang Tsai-ping is from Gaoyang County. Are there any sources that specifically place his origin at Gaoyang Town, Gaoyang County, rather than just Gaoyang County?

-- ran (talk) 14:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Chen Chi Chen
I realise now that we got off on quite the wrong foot with this Chen Chi Chen thing. The situation is basically that I hate fair use images, and so I generally insist on people following the rules with regard to using them. To do otherwise is, I think, not only illegal but an abuse of the trust that Wikimedia puts in us when they let us edit the encyclopedia. I realised that when you wrote "no one will object", you meant, "no one with a legal interest in the image". However, that point is purely speculation; it's probably true of most unfree images used in any given fashion that they will never actually be the subject of a legal dispute. But I don't think that's a very good excuse for misusing them. - Nat Krause(Talk!) 23:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Award
HA HA HA! I don't know what a "bi disc" is but I'm very proud to have it. Thanks! Badagnani 22:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Glad you're happy! A bi disc is that thing in the picture. They were made in very ancient times and were meant to represent Heaven (Heaven is round, Earth is square, etc). Tried to find a picture of a jade gui tablet that was used by officials in ancient China to address the Emperor which would be more appropriate, but I couldn't find any, so this was the next best thing! --Charlie Huang 【正矗昊】 22:29, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Fixed the copyrighting of image. There! You can marvel at it forever now! --Charlie Huang 【正矗昊】 22:42, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

vi:Phở Hà Nội
The Phở Hà Nội article is fairly low-quality, having only one sentence about Phở Hà Nội and then spends most of the article talking about phở in general. I already suggested that it be restructured and then renamed vi:phở, so it might not exist in the near future. DHN 23:53, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Translating Vietnamese-specific topics from English to Vietnamese is fraught with difficulties: everyone's an expert and chimes in about how it's wrong. This is like drawing a ghost versus drawing a horse: nobody knows what a ghost looks like so you can get away with anything, while everyone knows what a horse looks like so you got to get it right. Many Vietnamese-related topics from the English wiki have inaccuracies that would be unacceptable in the Vietnamese version.  For some reason, most people over there like to comment instead of writing articles.  We got about 1000 more users than articles!  With 200,000+ edits, we've only got a measly 7,000 articles! DHN 00:06, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I have no opinion about Pho. I only eat whatever my mom makes. DHN 00:19, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Cheongju (wine)
The bottle in the front right with a blue cap is cheongju; the label says 淸酒. I think the others are not, but I'm not sure exactly what they are. -- Visviva 23:24, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

You deserve it!
I couldn't think of anyone else but Babs Cartland, not that I wish to imply you dictate your articles to a stenographer while sprawled on a couch (although that is how I do it). Keep up the great work, Badagnani! Bhumiya (said/done) 02:53, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Vina/veena
What's with the weird spelling/orthography ("Vīṇā")? Surely this can't be correct? What's the period doing in there? ==ILike2BeAnonymous 05:44, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

archive
maybe you should think about archiving your talk page... it would make it look cleaner and nicer.... just a thought -Xornok 06:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


 * no im not sure either, im fairly new here. but i think youd just have to go to Create a new page, then name it User:Badagnani/Archive.... or User talk:Badagnani/Archive, depending of if you want it from your user page or your talk page... then you just copy and paste it all.... but youd better ask someone who has done it before, or ask an admin.... -Xornok 06:49, 24 April 2006 (UTC)